| snap-l | Evening | 00:17 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h | party | 00:20 |
| rick_h | bwuahhaha http://paste.mitechie.com/show/568 | 00:24 |
| rick_h | awesome bpython paste straight to lodgeit pastebin | 00:24 |
| snap-l | very cool! | 00:34 |
| rick_h | yea, kind of neat | 00:36 |
| rick_h | grabbed the tmux book to check out for any good bits | 00:41 |
| rick_h | reminds me, need to get it on the kindle | 00:41 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: ping | 01:13 |
| rick_h | morning | 11:16 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h: How are you feeling? | 11:17 |
| rick_h | little better | 11:18 |
| rick_h | took my roid pill for the morning so check in in a bit :) | 11:18 |
| snap-l | HULK SMASH? | 11:21 |
| rick_h | HULK SMASH TESTS!! | 11:23 |
| rick_h | hmm, tempting DotD today | 11:23 |
| snap-l | curious | 11:25 |
| * snap-l is going to wait fo the final release. | 11:25 | |
| rick_h | final release? | 11:26 |
| rick_h | think it's already out. I know another guy that read it | 11:26 |
| rick_h | yea, dec | 11:26 |
| snap-l | We're talking about the HTML 5 Architecture book? | 11:26 |
| snap-l | or am I behind again | 11:26 |
| rick_h | the information diet | 11:27 |
| snap-l | I'm behind again. | 11:27 |
| rick_h | yea, the html5 arch book was tempting but didn't make me get my wallet out | 11:27 |
| snap-l | I won't point out the irony of buying a book to curb your information consumption. :) | 11:28 |
| rick_h | yea, I know | 11:28 |
| snap-l | That's like buying a steak about dieting. | 11:28 |
| rick_h | feels a bit to self-helpy | 11:28 |
| rick_h | but after installing a pomodoro app on hte phone last night I'm in that mood | 11:28 |
| snap-l | Oh jesus | 11:28 |
| snap-l | Do not make any productivity changes while under the influence of allergy medicine. | 11:29 |
| rick_h | lol | 11:29 |
| rick_h | well last night was cough syrup with codine...combine with steriods and 3 diff inhalers I'm beyond allergy pills | 11:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Neer let it be said you don't go into anything without going full-force. | 11:31 |
| rick_h | yea, joked with the wife that if I was going to do it, damn well better do it right :) | 11:32 |
| snap-l | MOst of us just get sniffles | 11:32 |
| snap-l | Did a search on Amazon for The Information Diet. First result is the O'Reilly book. | 11:32 |
| snap-l | Second result is Celiac Disease: Safe/Unsafe Food List and Essential Information On Living With A Gluten Free Diet | 11:33 |
| rick_h | lol | 11:33 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/review/R1A296CKFB0TLE/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B006GRYADO&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode= | 11:34 |
| rick_h | heh, kindle price .10 less then the main site with 50% off | 11:34 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but then you get the kindle, PDF, and epub formats | 11:34 |
| snap-l | I think that's worth $.10 | 11:35 |
| rick_h | yea, still, like jewelry stores where things are always 30-50% off | 11:35 |
| snap-l | Keeps you from doing [title] pdf searches, doesn't it? :) | 11:36 |
| rick_h | so the pomodoro thing is a bunch of smoke? | 11:36 |
| * rick_h has seen bits, but not read the book or anything | 11:37 | |
| snap-l | O'Reilly has sold me more bits than I think I ever thought possible | 11:37 |
| snap-l | rick_h: It just seems like a rehashed "focus for x number of minutes" routine | 11:37 |
| rick_h | yea, didn't seem dirty enough. Just trying to force timing down. | 11:37 |
| snap-l | Maybe it'll work for you, but I find I'm good for a few cycles before my mind just does on a fuck-all frenzy. | 11:38 |
| snap-l | s/does/goes/ | 11:38 |
| rick_h | yea, I'm thinking long term. It's too easy for me to go several straight hours and then realize I need to look away | 11:38 |
| snap-l | Opposite problems. :) | 11:39 |
| snap-l | You can easily gain focus | 11:39 |
| snap-l | I have to try like hell to harness it | 11:39 |
| snap-l | You have trouble letting go | 11:39 |
| snap-l | my mind is like a helium balloon in a tornado | 11:40 |
| rick_h | gotcha, yea definitely experiment kind of thing | 11:40 |
| rick_h | grrr, I need to get my laptop to 12.04 | 11:41 |
| rick_h | nvm, even that won't help me | 11:42 |
| snap-l | ? | 11:42 |
| rick_h | no python3-pip/virtualenv packages | 11:43 |
| snap-l | Ah | 11:43 |
| snap-l | Couldn't you bootstrap Python3 with easyinstall? | 11:43 |
| rick_h | yea, ended up doing | 11:43 |
| rick_h | just trying to keep my py3 completely seperated | 11:44 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Nah, just run 2to3 on everything and let 'er rip. :) | 11:45 |
| snap-l | I'm surprised how incompatible 2.6 -> 2.7 is | 11:46 |
| snap-l | Have written code on an 11.10 box with 2.7 that needs some tweaking for 2.6 | 11:47 |
| snap-l | Like format strings ("{} {}" needs to be "{0} {1}") | 11:47 |
| rick_h | yea, no .format() :( | 11:47 |
| snap-l | No, you still get .format() | 11:47 |
| snap-l | Has to be explicitly positioned, though | 11:48 |
| rick_h | ah | 11:48 |
| snap-l | which kinda negates the fun. ;) | 11:48 |
| rick_h | yea, I always do that though | 11:48 |
| snap-l | Actually I like "{name} {foo} {bar}".format(**dict) | 11:49 |
| snap-l | that is power. | 11:49 |
| rick_h | right | 11:49 |
| rick_h | since you can repeat and such | 11:49 |
| rick_h | lol https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d30ae1c692ff53c3?pli=1 | 12:38 |
| snap-l | Just a reminder, kids: Make sure you check your links. | 12:43 |
| _stink_ | haha, oops | 12:45 |
| jrwren | gmorning | 12:51 |
| rick_h | party | 12:51 |
| snap-l | G'morning | 12:57 |
| jrwren | party where? | 13:02 |
| jrwren | lol @ i think that link had a few backdoors | 13:03 |
| snap-l | http://identi.ca/notice/92026241 | 13:07 |
| snap-l | If you love industrial metal and haven't checked out this band, today is your day. | 13:07 |
| snap-l | nullspace: ^^^^^ | 13:08 |
| ColonelPanic001 | Antagonist? Just opened that link from your tweet | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 13:24 |
| snap-l | Free downloads of the digital album today. | 13:24 |
| ColonelPanic001 | \o/ | 13:30 |
| rick_h | heh, watched one vim screencast from DAS and it's tweaking time! | 14:00 |
| ColonelPanic001 | "Open Metalcast Instrumetalcast #4: Permission Granted" | 14:20 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ...I'm still a little behind. | 14:20 |
| brousch | ColonelPanic001: me too | 14:22 |
| ColonelPanic001 | good, as long as it's not just me | 14:22 |
| brousch | keeping up with snap-l's OMC is like trying to keep up with rick_h's code | 14:22 |
| ColonelPanic001 | heh | 14:22 |
| brousch | when you get up to speed on one part, you pick up your head and see a dozen more have come down the pipe | 14:24 |
| rick_h | so does that mean brousch won't take up my challenge to get a set of instructions to get bookie running on heroku? :P | 14:24 |
| brousch | i probably won't be able to look at it until next month | 14:24 |
| brousch | last 2 weeks of the month are full of group stuff | 14:24 |
| rick_h | yea, you're crazy | 14:25 |
| rick_h | I still haven't moved anything on setting up a python group | 14:25 |
| brousch | i imagine the whoosh stuff would be the big sticking point though | 14:25 |
| rick_h | ah, because of he local disk space | 14:25 |
| brousch | we had 3 guys from owosso at grpug last night | 14:25 |
| rick_h | it's pure python, but takes some 100mb on disk I think | 14:25 |
| rick_h | nice! | 14:26 |
| brousch | django devs | 14:26 |
| * rick_h keeps quiet | 14:26 | |
| brousch | i met them in lansing a couple of weeks ago | 14:26 |
| brousch | the group in lansing is called Open Source Futures, so not python specific. next meeting is git | 14:27 |
| rick_h | nice | 14:27 |
| brousch | oh, the owosso guys are apple fans too. one of the reasons they came last night was so they could touch a new ipad at GR's apple store | 14:29 |
| jrwren | heroku doesn't have a python env? | 14:29 |
| brousch | jrwren: it does | 14:29 |
| rick_h | jrwren: it does, but has some nasty disk space rules | 14:29 |
| brousch | the grpug web site is on heroku | 14:29 |
| jrwren | well all the heroku bundles or wahtever they are called are limited to 100mb | 14:29 |
| rick_h | You are limited to 100MB of disk space, but you are not permitted to save any files (including user uploads) to disk because the filesystem is readonly. | 14:30 |
| jrwren | but that shouldn't be a limit unless you are packaging all of python too | 14:30 |
| rick_h | so with bookie needing that for fulltext and imports you're a bit foobar | 14:30 |
| jrwren | i packaged all of mono and edploydeployed aspnet to heroku | 14:30 |
| rick_h | right, but the FS is RO so I can't get users to upload their imporst | 14:30 |
| brousch | you would have to ship the fulltext to something else | 14:30 |
| brousch | https://addons.heroku.com/ | 14:31 |
| rick_h | brousch: right | 14:32 |
| brousch | use one of their fulltext search addons or run your own instance on amazon or something | 14:32 |
| brousch | same with static files | 14:32 |
| brousch | i'm lazy so my static files are on dreamhost | 14:33 |
| rick_h | ah yea, with combo loader getting bookie on heroku is just a no go without a ton of changes | 14:33 |
| rick_h | DBO: ping, who's running gnome-do these days? | 14:34 |
| jrwren | not even a writable /tmp ? | 14:36 |
| jrwren | how about writing json to parse.com ? | 14:36 |
| rick_h | not according to the docs, I guess something must go on for it to build the .pyc files | 14:36 |
| brousch | jrwren: http://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/read-only-filesystem | 14:37 |
| snap-l | Hey, I didn't think I was uploading OMC's that quickly. :) | 14:37 |
| jrwren | so use Cedar :p | 14:37 |
| brousch | "There are two directories that are writeable: ./tmp and ./log (under your application root). If you wish to drop a file temporarily for the duration of the request, you can write to a filename like#{RAILS_ROOT}/tmp/myfile_#{Process.pid}. There is no guarantee that this file will be there on subsequent requests (although it might be), so this should not be used for any kind of permanent storage." | 14:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's kind of bonkers | 14:38 |
| snap-l | SF.net's project web at least had a writable area | 14:38 |
| brousch | google app engine is similar | 14:39 |
| snap-l | Guess they're really into not having you use that as a drop-box | 14:39 |
| brousch | you can upload files, but they get stored in some other kind of DB | 14:39 |
| snap-l | Yeah, so they can spin up additional nodes without having to worry about what your app stored. | 14:39 |
| rick_h | yea, I'm running into that when I plan on building up bookie. | 14:40 |
| rick_h | right now uploads go to a tmp dir and then I have to have celery find it to process and such | 14:40 |
| snap-l | You'll probably want to switch that to a DB-based queue | 14:40 |
| rick_h | yea, it's still early right now. Just getting it working | 14:41 |
| snap-l | I think that's the most cross-patform way to handle | 14:41 |
| rick_h | but yea, fulltext will have to get the solr backend, uploads to command shared stuff, maybe s3, and celery processing out of there | 14:41 |
| brousch | what's wrong with the celery way? | 14:41 |
| snap-l | No guaranteed tmp | 14:41 |
| brousch | oh, it is just a problem with heroku | 14:42 |
| brousch | i thought he meant in general | 14:42 |
| rick_h | no, it's a problem with running multiple front ends with the way things are setup today | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Well, depending on these other platforms, there may be different constraints on persistent storage | 14:42 |
| rick_h | just more work to be done | 14:42 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Ah, thought you were talking about packaging / deploy for other instances. | 14:43 |
| rick_h | right, as you deploy more front end instances | 14:43 |
| brousch | rick_h: here's your business plan: bookie is FLOSS but you sell the fulltext search hosting | 14:52 |
| rick_h | heh, well I think it can be OSS but you pay to have it managed down the road | 14:53 |
| snap-l | I thought he'd make money from the Cafe Press Bookie Assless Chaps. | 14:53 |
| rick_h | the code's actually getting pretty big where things are moving kind of slow as I don't do everything on the todo list in spare time only | 14:54 |
| rick_h | I'm hoping that the invites helps get more people using it and potentially more hackers | 14:55 |
| DBO | rick_h, chris halse rogers | 15:05 |
| rick_h | DBO: k, thanks | 15:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | loled at "I will break your f'ing neck if you finish that song" | 15:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | (just got to the holiday OMC) | 15:34 |
| rick_h | dammit, the next person that writes a doctest gets it in the nuts...the end | 15:40 |
| brousch | would a doctest to the nuts be pleasurable or painful? | 15:43 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: Heh. :) | 15:44 |
| rick_h | come over and let's find out, initial indications are towards pain | 15:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: Do not taunt steroid-fun-ball rick_h | 15:44 |
| snap-l | brousch: Let the wookie win | 15:45 |
| brousch | i imagine him with a slight green tinge, like being on the verge of going hulk | 15:45 |
| brousch | he's not hairy enough to be a wookie | 15:45 |
| rick_h | no, think more angry dwarf | 15:45 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Oh jeez, now he's Rick the Angry Dwarf | 15:46 |
| rick_h | and with that I think I need lunch before I run bzr blame and starting hunting people down for these damn tests | 15:46 |
| * snap-l awaits his appearance on Howard Stern | 15:46 | |
| snap-l | rick_h: Do you have bzr blame attached to electrodes? | 15:47 |
| rick_h | heh no, people kept putting the electrodes on their pets and I couldn't get that angry | 15:58 |
| snap-l | hah | 16:01 |
| snap-l | Wow: http://decafbad.net/2012/03/06/ubuntu-global-jam-we-came-we-saw-we-jammed/#comments | 16:49 |
| jrwren | what a nub | 16:50 |
| jrwren | i find people who don't run latest ubuntu no different than people who run XP | 16:51 |
| jrwren | or w2k | 16:51 |
| snap-l | heh | 16:51 |
| brousch | who is that geeker? | 17:13 |
| rick_h | MUG guy I think, not surprising at all considering | 17:13 |
| brousch | tell him to use centos where he can run the same crusty OS for a decade | 17:14 |
| rick_h | snap-l: had my first fish that didn't make it :( didn't last a day actually | 17:16 |
| rick_h | so we're up to 25 positive, and one loss | 17:17 |
| brousch | MURDERER | 17:18 |
| brousch | gonna eat it tonight? | 17:18 |
| rick_h | umm no, he went to the porcelin god | 17:18 |
| rick_h | and that doesn't look like a good spelling of percelin | 17:18 |
| rick_h | ah ain ...doh | 17:19 |
| brousch | was there a ceremony? | 17:19 |
| rick_h | no, I did it while no one was looking | 17:19 |
| rick_h | I figure hte boy has a bit more time ot figure out death | 17:19 |
| rick_h | damn I can't type today | 17:19 |
| brousch | get off the drugs d00d | 17:19 |
| rick_h | vim stolen trick of the day: nnoremap ;; <c-^> | 17:20 |
| rick_h | and liking ctlp now that I've got the ignore directories going | 17:20 |
| rick_h | hard to give up my nerdtree window, but give it time | 17:20 |
| brousch | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/3-7-years/e806/ | 17:34 |
| rick_h | python books on sale http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/python-think-complexity.do?imm_mid=081700&cmp=em-orm-python-think-complexity-direct-short+ | 17:41 |
| brousch | damn you | 17:46 |
| rick_h | heh, I already have most of them :P | 17:46 |
| rick_h | so I can pass on this round wheeee | 17:47 |
| jrwren | Think Complexity any good? | 17:47 |
| rick_h | not started that one yet | 17:47 |
| rick_h | I got it during hte deal because it looks potentially good | 17:47 |
| jrwren | programming python is a terribel book, and has 4 stars on oreilly.com... now all reviews on oreilly.com are suspect | 17:48 |
| rick_h | yea, definitely hit up amazon for reviews | 17:48 |
| jrwren | i want Effective Python | 17:49 |
| jrwren | but I don't think it exists. | 17:49 |
| jrwren | i guess I could try to write it :p | 17:50 |
| jrwren | but maybe pep8 is effective python. | 17:50 |
| rick_h | not really out there atm | 17:50 |
| brousch | all python is effective | 17:50 |
| jrwren | rick_h: do you use cscope? | 17:50 |
| rick_h | jrwren: doesn't ring a bell | 17:50 |
| jrwren | like ctags only better | 17:50 |
| rick_h | ah, no I checked it out once, but don't use it | 17:50 |
| rick_h | I just use ctags still | 17:51 |
| jrwren | i think they go hadn in hand | 17:51 |
| rick_h | most of my stuff I'm starting to create a make tags command and use from within vim | 17:51 |
| rick_h | but honestly, I don't use them as much as I should | 17:51 |
| jrwren | my goal is to be able to cycle through uses of an attribute | 17:56 |
| jrwren | or token | 17:56 |
| rick_h | ah, I vimgrep for that and then use quickfix window to jump through that | 17:59 |
| rick_h | or use ropevim if I | 17:59 |
| rick_h | ve taken the time to set it up | 17:59 |
| snap-l | rick_h: At least the fish didn't jump out and let the boy find it on the floor | 18:07 |
| snap-l | Had one of those algae-eaters do that. Found it many years later. | 18:07 |
| snap-l | jrwren: What didn't you like about Programming Python? | 18:23 |
| snap-l | Holy crap, did not realize that Pygame color can handle CMY color: http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/color.html | 18:27 |
| brousch | is that exciting? | 18:30 |
| jrwren | snap-l: well, i read an ancient version of it. | 18:30 |
| jrwren | maybe the latest is good | 18:30 |
| jrwren | but ancient modules that i wouldn't recommend to anyone are documented and presented as if they are great. | 18:31 |
| snap-l | jrwren: The latest is better | 18:31 |
| snap-l | I won't say it's phenominal though | 18:31 |
| jrwren | i prefer HSL color :) | 18:31 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It supports that too. ;) | 18:31 |
| jrwren | yay! | 18:31 |
| snap-l | HSVA as well | 18:31 |
| jrwren | ah, i think that is my fav | 18:32 |
| snap-l | Actually, I don't have a copy of a newer version of Programming Python | 18:32 |
| snap-l | I have Learning Python 4e | 18:32 |
| snap-l | which is much improved over 3e | 18:32 |
| snap-l | The biggest problem though is they're HUGE books | 18:36 |
| snap-l | and they're not nearly as concise as they should be. | 18:36 |
| greg-g | snap-l: dude, why didn't we use graphs in our ReApproval application? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EgyptTeam/ApprovalApplication | 18:44 |
| greg-g | :P | 18:44 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Because... um... | 19:02 |
| rick_h | hah, our fearless leader let us down! | 19:04 |
| jcastro | quick, everyone criticise and not offer to help! | 19:05 |
| jcastro | snap-l, you suck! | 19:05 |
| rick_h | that's my plan! | 19:05 |
| rick_h | now I've got some video games to go play because I'm terribly busy :P | 19:05 |
| snap-l | Heh | 19:08 |
| snap-l | I didn't even know that was an option to put together | 19:09 |
| snap-l | Making us slacker-locos look bad. | 19:09 |
| Blazeix | rick_h: hey, you pinged? | 19:15 |
| Blazeix | (forever ago) | 19:15 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: yea, wondered if you knew how to get the 'class' for an app in awesome? | 19:16 |
| rick_h | firefox comes up floating all the time for me, so trying to force it non-floating with an rc.lua rule, but can't seeem to find a class="" that works for me | 19:16 |
| Blazeix | i don't actually have any window rules, but I would think whatever xprop returns should work | 19:17 |
| Blazeix | firefox just behaves for me. Can you just hit whatever the float-toggle hotkey is? | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | or you're saying that even after you do press the hotkey, next time it comes back floating? | 19:18 |
| rick_h | Blazeix: yea, but have to set that evbery time I launch FF | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | ugh | 19:18 |
| rick_h | right, and the class on here seems tied to the url it's on...ugh | 19:19 |
| Blazeix | wow, firefox-- | 19:19 |
| rick_h | hmm, maybe not | 19:19 |
| Blazeix | well then maybe I retract my -- | 19:20 |
| widox | rick_h: I have "Firefox" in mine | 19:20 |
| widox | use the second value from xprop G WM_CLASS | 19:20 |
| widox | where G == grep :) | 19:20 |
| widox | (yay zsh) | 19:20 |
| rick_h | widox: ah ok, so for me that's "NIGHTLY" | 19:21 |
| widox | ah, yeah. I've got both in there | 19:21 |
| widox | I've been wrestling this very thing in xmonad | 19:22 |
| jrwren | no lie... someone here just said "i can't.... probably cuz i'm running windows xp" | 19:29 |
| jrwren | i've immediately formed opinion per earlier conversation :) | 19:29 |
| rick_h | lol | 19:29 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Hah! | 19:29 |
| rick_h | widox: Blazeix that fixed it, thanks for the xprop heads up | 19:30 |
| rick_h | now I'll be more likely to use FF more | 19:31 |
| _Marcus | Hello | 22:33 |
| Blazeix | hey _Marcus | 22:35 |
| _Marcus | How are you? | 22:35 |
| Blazeix | not bad, just chilling in south-east mi :) | 22:36 |
| Blazeix | are you in MI? | 22:36 |
| _Marcus | Yes | 22:37 |
| _Marcus | Southeast like you | 22:37 |
| brousch | we just upgraded our phones to LG Spectrums. $125 to upgrade 2 phones. not bad | 23:37 |
| rick_h | brousch: nice | 23:41 |
| brousch | this thing is hella fast compared to my droid | 23:42 |
| brousch | they pushed ics to it while i was on the crapper | 23:45 |
| rick_h | lol | 23:45 |
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