[01:47] <jrgifford> thafreak: sporadically.
[01:48]  * canthus13 needs to figure out how to fix this odd little bit of bar at the top of his screen where the gnome 3 clock would normally be if mint didn't move it to a more logical location.
[03:45] <Cheri703> anyone have recent (SY0-301) COMPTIA Security+ study materials? I want to study for it, but can't use e-reader at work, and don't want to buy brand new expensive book and never use it again. I would love a loan, but would purchase if the price was right :)
[03:45] <Cheri703> (I may post this to the mailing list as well)
[03:53] <canthus13> I've got the older one from MS... which is surprisingly good.
[03:53] <Cheri703> the sy0-201?
[03:53] <canthus13> mmm... lemme look.
[03:54] <Cheri703> was updated in 2011
[03:54] <canthus13> not sure.. I'll have to track it down. It may be packed in a box.
[03:54] <canthus13> it's way older than that.
[03:54] <Cheri703> ok
[03:55] <Cheri703> I'd like to take it, but I am frustrated by lack of opportunities to poke at the information. at home I have so much crap I am and should be doing
[03:55] <Cheri703> I HAVE SO MUCH I SHOULD BE DOING
[03:56] <Cheri703> how much of my to do list got done on my 2 days off? about 4 things...out of A WHOLE BUNCH
[03:58] <canthus13> :/
[03:58] <Cheri703> but I did get a few newly added things done, but basic stuff like laundry and housework didn't get done :s which...laundry needs to get done
[03:58]  * Cheri703 is not the best about prioritizing housework
[03:59] <Cheri703> oh! and my mom's phone is going to get shipped to her tomorrow :) after over 2 weeks
[03:59] <Cheri703> I've gotten it all set up for her
[04:00] <canthus13> Awesome. :)
[04:00] <Cheri703> she's super excited
[04:00] <Cheri703> she has even had days where she was like, "that would have been easier with my phone" which...for someone who was really reluctant to even want it, is pretty cool
[04:03]  * canthus13 nods.
[04:03] <Cheri703> canthus13: are you / wife / other people in household good about housework or are you like me where you tend to ignore until impossible?
[04:03]  * Cheri703 found a website that is kind of awesome
[04:13] <canthus13> We suck at housework. :P
[04:37] <Cheri703> canthus13: check out www.unf--kyourhabitat.tumblr.com but fill in the blanks (family friendly irc room and all)
[04:38] <canthus13> nice...
[04:38] <Cheri703> it is kind of like flylady but with cursing and less annoying :)
[04:40] <canthus13> Kit used to do flylady.
[04:41] <Cheri703> I find this more motivating and less "aww, stay at home mom with kids and aren't you precious" like flylady comes off
[04:41] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:58] <BiosElement> Hey folks, how's it going?
[04:59] <canthus13> BiosElement: Oh... a noob!
[04:59] <canthus13> :)
[04:59] <BiosElement> haha not quite. ;)
[05:00] <Cheri703> o/ BiosElement
[05:00] <BiosElement> I wonder if anyone will believe I was simply being lazy and not bothering to setup IRC rather then avoiding it >.>
[05:01] <canthus13> BiosElement: that's a sad excuse.
[05:01] <Cheri703> I've been there BiosElement
[05:01] <canthus13> apt-get install irssi; irssi; /connect irc.freenode.net; /msg nickserv identify <password>; /join #ubuntu-us-oh;
[05:01] <BiosElement> Yes, it is pretty sad. >.>
[05:02] <canthus13> how hard was that?
[05:03] <BiosElement> Too hard, almost as hard as getting ubuntu to play nice with my setup. >.>
[05:03] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:03]  * canthus13 switched to Mint.
[05:05] <BiosElement> Ugh, I'm sorry for your loss. I still refuse to touch them as a matter of policy.
[05:05] <Cheri703> I finally switched to 11.10 about a month ago
[05:05] <Cheri703> been using 10.10
[05:05]  * canthus13 installed Mint 12 from 10.10.
[05:05] <canthus13> much, much nicer than that unity crap. :)
[05:06] <BiosElement> I refuse to touch mint after their little firefox ad stunt.
[05:06] <canthus13> BiosElement: Eh?
[05:06]  * canthus13 hasn't used firefox for much in a while.
[05:07] <BiosElement> A year ago, not sure if they still do, they changed the adverts to Mint ads from the firefox's. Which is actually in violation of the firefox trademarks >.<
[05:07] <canthus13> starting with 7, it decided to tell every site it touched that my laptop was a cell phone.. I always got the WAP version if it was available. :/
[05:07] <canthus13> It does.
[05:07] <canthus13> It sets the homepage to a mint page.
[05:08]  * canthus13 doesn't really care that much.  Firefox is too.. screwed up? for him to bother with right now.
[05:09] <BiosElement> I'm a chrome fan myself anymore, but honestly it just feels wrong with how they did that. It's not a plugin btw, they modified the source. It took me hours to figure that out.
[05:10] <canthus13> Source?
[05:11] <canthus13> Looks to me like they just set the homepage to their search page... and set the default search engine to duck-duck-go.
[05:11] <BiosElement> At least last time I tried it, it was far more invasive.
[05:11] <BiosElement> Like I said, I haven't tried it since but I know they're quite 'proud' of that setup of theirs. :|
[05:11] <canthus13> Iunno. I'm really liking what they've done with gnome 3 (once you remove the bottom bar and that silly menu...)
[05:12] <BiosElement> Unity is actually growing on me. Used kde for a couple years, win7 for a time, back to ubuntu with unity and it's not half bad.
[05:12] <canthus13> Unity is (was?) too rigid and I find shuttleworth's 'vision' to be annoying, constrictive, and insulting.
[05:13] <BiosElement> It's still a PITA, but It's officially not in the way 24/7.
[12:47] <Chat5159> Morning
[13:44] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[16:05] <thafreak> Anyone ever try to use gnucash?
[16:26] <dzho> ages ago
[16:31] <Cheri703> thafreak: I use it all the time, I really like it
[16:31] <Cheri703> there's a bit of a learning curve for most people
[16:32] <thafreak> do you use invoicing?
[16:32] <Cheri703> no, I use it for personal finances
[16:32] <thafreak> ah
[16:32] <Cheri703> are you having a specific issue?
[16:32] <thafreak> so, when you deposit money, like to an account, where does it "come from"?
[16:33] <Cheri703> Income: something
[16:33] <Cheri703> everything has an in and an out, if is into checking, it is out of income
[16:33] <Cheri703> or out of checking, into expense
[16:33] <thafreak> It's just weird, If I deposit a check, it wants to subtract that ammount from my accounts receivable, so my accounts receivable is negative
[16:33] <Cheri703> so just change the "out" account
[16:34] <Cheri703> make a "received payments" income category
[16:34] <Cheri703> or something
[16:34] <thafreak> so your income account just keeps growing more and more negative then?
[16:34] <Cheri703> no, it handles them differently, you can change the type of account
[16:34]  * canthus13 gave up on gnucash, went to Mint.
[16:34] <Cheri703> my income account does not show negative, because it understands it is an income account
[16:34] <Cheri703> hang on
[16:34] <canthus13> Mint has it's issues, but it's easy and overall pretty good. :)
[16:35] <thafreak> I think there's a setting to show some accounts as negative or not
[16:35] <Cheri703> thafreak: if you go to the accounts page, right click on the one income account, and make sure it is set as an income account
[16:35]  * Cheri703 is opening gnucash to get correct terminology
[16:36] <thafreak> well, I was having income come from accounts receivable from "invoices"
[16:36] <Cheri703> what account type is accounts receivable?
[16:38] <thafreak> it's set to accounts receivable type...it's under assets instead of under income
[16:38] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[16:38] <thafreak> i think i just need to read up on the terminology then...
[16:38] <Cheri703> I'm not sure about the accounts receivable type /me goes to check help file
[16:39] <canthus13> A/R is considered an asset.. It's work already done, but you're still owed money for it.
[16:40] <thafreak> yup...
[16:41] <thafreak> nothing shows up there till you process a payment, and when you do that, it subtracts from A/R and puts it somewhere else
[16:41] <Cheri703> thafreak: if you go to help>tutorials and concept guide>accounts receivable
[16:41] <thafreak> so either I'm doing it wrong, or it's supposed to be like that
[16:41] <Cheri703> there is a section talking about how to set up the accounts, it does say you need an income section of "sales"
[16:41] <Cheri703> Basic A/R Account Hierarchy:
[16:41] <Cheri703> -Assets
[16:41] <Cheri703>    -Checking
[16:41] <Cheri703>    -Accounts Receivable
[16:41] <Cheri703> -Income
[16:41] <Cheri703>    -Sales
[16:41] <thafreak> hmm
[16:41] <Cheri703> and it goes from there on how to actually do it
[16:42] <thafreak> i have one...maybe I was doing it wrong then
[16:42] <Cheri703> there is a "process payments" thing apparently
[16:42] <Cheri703> go through the tutorial thing
[16:43] <Cheri703> you set up customers, then you put in the payment info for the customer, and it has a "post to: accounts receivable" and "transfer account" which is where it is actually deposited
[16:43] <Cheri703> so JUST manually putting in the deposit messes with stuff, if you are using a/r, then you're supposed to use this thing apparently
[16:44] <thafreak> yeah i did, but I was using checking as the transfer account, which was making A/R negative
[16:44] <Cheri703> hmm...you had it posting to a/r?
[16:44] <thafreak> maybe I need to transfer to an income account...I'll make a test and see if it affects it
[16:45] <Cheri703> their "process payment window" picture shows "post to: assets:a/r" and "transfer: assets:checking" so...
[16:47] <Cheri703> I don't know why it would be doing that. if it shows as negative again, do a split on whatever is subtracting from a/r and see what it shows
[16:47] <thafreak> yeah, i dunno, it's odd
[16:47] <thafreak> can only transfer to an asset account, not an income account
[16:51] <Cheri703> when you split, what does it show?
[16:52] <Cheri703> it may be about how you set up the invoice
[16:52] <Cheri703> when setting it up, you can choose an income account "which income account is credited with this income"
[16:52] <Cheri703> so it might be a hiccup on the invoice side
[16:52] <Cheri703> you might have put checking there
[16:54] <Cheri703> that would explain the issue I think
[16:54] <Cheri703> you may also have put a/r there
[17:21] <thafreak> OK!!!
[17:21] <thafreak> thanks to the #gnucash folks over at irc.gnome.org, I got it all figured out
[17:21] <thafreak> invoices need to be posted first
[17:22] <Cheri703> makes sense, then it knows what it's working with
[17:22] <thafreak> it also puts stuff in the appropriate income account too
[17:23] <Cheri703> yeah, that's what I was thinking when I saw the page about making invoices
[17:25] <thafreak> so, I'm lovin' gnucash, a helpful irc channel makes me love the community even more
[17:25] <paultag> hahaha
[17:25] <paultag> helpful irc is a rarity
[17:25] <Cheri703> yeah, gnucash is awesome
[17:26] <paultag> I know this isn't f/oss-ey of me
[17:26] <paultag> but mint.com is badass
[17:27] <paultag> I use it like it's my job
[17:28] <Cheri703> I don't like the stuff that imports directly from bank records, as the bank doesn't always label things quite right, and posting date =/= transaction date, and it screws me up "I didn't go to the gas station on thursday?!"
[17:33] <paultag> haha
[17:37] <canthus13> paultag: I love Mint. :)
[17:37] <paultag> +1
[17:37] <canthus13> Cheri703: I keep enough of a cash buffer that having the posting dates off doesn't screw me up.