[01:46] <damit23> hey all ..
[01:47] <damit23> i upgraded from hardy heron to 10.10 and now my maudio 1010lt is no longer outputting audio
[01:48] <damit23> its detected fine and alsamixer/envy24control work as expected .. in the sound preferences i get only combinations of digital input / digital output / digital surround but no analogue
[01:49] <CFHowlett> http://forums.m-audio.com/showthread.php?21403-Setting-up-1010lt-in-ubuntu
[01:49] <CFHowlett> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVx56WMsHc
[01:49] <damit23> tnx CFHowlett
[01:49] <CFHowlett> no problems
[02:01] <damit23> hm stange nothing its like the players and things that make noise are doing there job
[02:01] <damit23> but there is just nothing comming out and envy24controls vu meters are not jumping
[02:06] <damit23> if i apt-get install linux-rt will that install every thing i need to test it under the RT kernel?
[02:07] <damit23> CFHowlett, i tried via audacious which is pretty clear about which card/mixer/mixer element its trying to use so it must be something to do with the module in 2.6.32
[02:08] <CFHowlett> damit23   rt is built for low/no lag uses.  I'm not sure it'll address your interface issues.  When I've run Ubuntu studio on the normal kernel, my options still appeared...
[02:08] <CFHowlett> sadly, my help must be limited.  I'm one of those weird LTS only users, so I'm still on 10.04 ...
[02:10] <damit23> im sure the dist upgrade thingy said 10.10 is LTS :)
[02:16] <CFHowlett> 10.10 is NOT LTS.  sorry.  10.04 is current LTS.  12.04 is the next LTS.
[02:17] <holstein> yeah.. 10.04... 12.04
[02:17] <holstein> damit23: the thingy didnt say 10.10 lts
[02:17] <damit23> i swear it did lol !!!
[02:17] <holstein> nope
[02:17] <damit23> maybe its confused in hardy heron
[02:18] <holstein> nah.. 8.04 is LTS.. that would upgrade to 8.10 or 10.04
[02:18] <holstein> i dont upgrade though.. sometimes i try it to test the path, then i fresh install right after
[02:23] <damit23> ok well i am going to try 2.6.31 RT
[02:24] <damit23> this is a dead horsy i think .. normally as soon as you modprobe the ice1712 module you hear a chime play and it never happened either
[02:24] <holstein> from what i hear, you just select it in JACK and start it up
[02:24] <holstein> you might be trying to do too much
[02:24] <damit23> i am just trying to use it directly on alsa
[02:24] <holstein> folks in the #opensourcemusicians channel have that hardware
[02:24] <holstein> damit23: yeah? .. not sure how that works
[02:25] <holstein> i would just select it in alsamixer
[02:25] <holstein> i would try and disable the other cards in the bios
[02:25] <holstein> i would try installing pavucontrol
[02:26] <holstein> could be the implementaion of pulse
[02:26] <holstein> 8.04 is *quite* different
[02:26] <damit23> yeah its free of pulse
[02:26] <holstein> cool
[02:26] <holstein> it didnt come that way
[02:27] <damit23> i might of removed it
[02:27] <holstein> i would look into what you did to make it pulse-free and make sure you didnt break functionality
[02:27] <damit23> it was like 8 years ago or something
[02:27] <holstein> i have both pulse and non-pulse systems
[02:27] <holstein> both have issues
[02:27] <holstein> damit23: you should have pulse if you just upgraded to 10.04
[02:27] <holstein> if you upgraded, and didnt do anything to *not* have pulse, you probably have pulse
[02:27] <holstein> you can try the 12.04 live CD
[02:27] <holstein> you can try reinstalling
[02:27] <damit23> yeah btw sorry i was wrong it did upgrade me to 10.04 not 10.10
[02:28] <holstein> damit23: right.. i never thought it was 10.10 ;)
[02:28]  * damit23 slaps him self with a iron hammer
[02:28] <holstein> anyways.. theres no reason to avoid pulse, unless you have a reason
[02:28] <holstein> i would try with pulse, from a live CD, or try JACK just to see some sound come out ot the hardware
[02:29] <damit23> ok i have not tried jack but jack is just going to use alsa as the back end
[02:29] <CFHowlett> holstein   on 10.04, he'd need the rt kernel to run jack, would he not?
[02:29] <holstein> i assure you more that one person in #opensourcemusicians uses that hardware in ubuntu
[02:29] <holstein> CFHowlett: wouldnt *need* it
[02:29] <holstein> to get lower latency sure
[02:29]  * damit23 install qjackctl
[02:29] <holstein> damit23: ?
[02:30] <holstein> you should have it man
[02:30] <holstein> if you had ubuntustudio
[02:30] <CFHowlett> exactly
[02:30] <holstein> and you upgraded to ubuntustudio 10.04
[02:30] <holstein> if you dont, you dont have ubuntustudio, or you didnt have it
[02:30] <holstein> which is fine, im not saying you need to leave
[02:30] <holstein> im just trying to provide you with support for the hardware you are saying doesnt work
[02:30] <damit23> it was ubuntustudio ifirc
[02:31] <holstein> and i feel like it might be due to some customizations, or some misunderstanding as to what software you are actually running
[02:31] <damit23> aha
[02:37] <damit23> suspending pulseaudio is the key
[02:38] <holstein> yeah?
[02:38] <holstein> so, you have pulseaudio then?
[02:38] <damit23> absolutely
[02:38] <damit23> yeah after the upgrade from hardy heron
[02:40] <damit23> well this is a relief ;]
[02:40] <holstein> you might want to check out the 12.04 live CD
[02:41] <holstein> 12.04 is out and stable next month
[02:41] <holstein> you might want to be using the current system
[02:41] <holstein> no reason to get used to 10.04 and use it for a year or so past EOL
[02:42] <holstein> the 12.04 core will be getting updates for 5 years
[02:42] <damit23> well thats certainly compelling
[02:42] <CFHowlett> absolutely agree on that point.
[02:42] <holstein> i mean, im using 10.04 on my production machine, but im going to 12.04 ASAP
[02:43] <damit23> so i am guessing there must be something missing from pulse to not be showing me the analogue options
[02:43] <holstein> damit23: pavucontrol mabye
[02:43] <CFHowlett> damit23   have you ever run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:43] <holstein> i dont know anyone that doesnt use JACK with that card
[02:44] <damit23> thats exactly what i did to go from 8.0.4 to 10.04 CFHowlett
[02:44] <holstein> yeah, you can do that if you like
[02:44] <damit23> which by the way went flawlessly .. congrats devs -bow-
[02:44] <holstein> but, i would personally want a fresh install
[02:44] <CFHowlett> damit23   nope.  dist-release will upgrade a release.  dist-upgrade will only upgrade packages for that distro.
[02:44] <damit23> ok i did it through the gui
[02:45] <CFHowlett> damit23   just for fun, try these in your terminal:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:45] <damit23> it said -distribution upgrade-  and said it was going to upgrade to 10.04 so that is a 'dist-release upgrade' then i take it
[02:56] <damit23> mplayer -ao pulse blabla.mp3 does not work either
[02:57] <holstein> i dont think pulse works that way
[02:57] <holstein> i would just open up vlc and try it
[02:57] <holstein> i would try something other than an .mp3
[02:57] <holstein> if sound works, then its likely a codec thing
[03:03] <damit23> heh
[03:03] <damit23> vlc outputs nothing on either pulse or alsa
[03:04] <holstein> OK... with the mp3?
[03:04] <damit23> yup
[03:04] <holstein> i feel confident we can get you playing an audio file
[03:04] <holstein> damit23: can you try and ogg? or a wav? you have sound otherwise, correct?
[03:04] <damit23> surely lol i just did with jack as the sound server
[03:05] <holstein> damit23: jack has to be configured properly
[03:05] <holstein> then VLC has to be configured to use JACK
[03:05] <holstein> OR, you need a JACK friendly player
[03:05] <holstein> JACK is not something you just fire up and use
[03:05] <damit23> yeah thats not a problem
[03:05] <holstein> damit23: yeah?
[03:05] <damit23> jack just suspends pulse
[03:05] <holstein> correct
[03:05] <damit23> and it works as expected
[03:05] <holstein> and thats what you want
[03:06] <damit23> welll yeah but apps can and should be able to just use alsa or pulse directly
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: JACK kills that
[03:07] <damit23> only if its Running!#
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: JACK is not something you want to just fire up and use
[03:07] <holstein> damit23: or if you didnt kill it
[03:07] <holstein> or if its running and you dont know
[03:07] <holstein> or running on a different card than you expected
[03:07] <holstein> or misconfigured
[03:07] <damit23> i would know .. i am kind of jackd developer :)
[03:08] <holstein> damit23: cool
[03:08] <damit23> i think this is why i ripped pulse out of hardy heron originally
[03:08] <holstein> enjoy.... you might want to try and catch one of the guys in #opensourcemusicians with that specific hardware
[03:08] <holstein> damit23: i have issues both ways personally
[03:09] <holstein> i mean, rip out what you like...
[03:09] <holstein> but nothing about pulse is improperly functioning
[03:09] <holstein> im not a pulse, alsa or JACK dev
[03:09] <damit23> I just want to use the apps i originally had working fine ones with there own back end support
[03:09] <damit23> mplayer supports every sound driver on the planet just about
[03:09] <damit23> so does liquidsoap
[03:09] <damit23> so does vlc
[03:10] <damit23> so does mplayer
[03:10] <damit23> so does ogg123
[03:10] <holstein> sure.. tell VLC to use JACK and it will
[03:10] <damit23> wtf
[03:20] <damit23> apt-get remove pulseaudio
[03:21] <holstein> sure... remove what you want, but i think it might be more envolved than that.. or maybe you want to find one of those folks i mentioned who are using 10.04 through 11.10 with that exact hardware
[03:21] <holstein> maybe http://howto.blbosti.com/2010/04/ubuntu-make-alsa-default-instead-of-pulseaudio/ is enough
[03:22] <damit23> yep mplayer is still trying to select pulse first
[03:23] <damit23> i guess thats just what it knows in .mplayer
[03:24]  * damit23 reads
[03:27] <damit23> hahaa
[03:27] <damit23> killall -9 pulseaudio
[03:27] <damit23> that would help
[03:27] <damit23> i know i should of use pkill to do it politely
[03:28] <damit23> Yaaaaay
[03:28] <damit23> ::)
[03:34] <damit23> thanks for your time holstein
[03:34] <holstein> damit23: sure.. anytime
[03:45] <al4nc4ds> ubuntu studio 12.04 beta1 very nice!
[03:45] <holstein> al4nc4ds: glad you like it.. you mind if i ask what kernel you are using?
[03:45] <holstein> the *-lowlatency one?
[03:46] <al4nc4ds> eeepc@laptop:~$ uname -na
[03:46] <al4nc4ds> Linux laptop 3.2.0-19-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 16 16:27:15 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <al4nc4ds> holstein, this is?
[03:47] <holstein> not sure when we are getting that lowlatency one in there
[03:47] <holstein> anyways.. just asking
[03:48] <al4nc4ds> not understood
[03:49] <al4nc4ds> what are you using?
[03:50] <holstein> al4nc4ds: ill be using 10.04 on my production rig til next month, or i get time to migrate
[03:50] <holstein> al4nc4ds: im testing 12.04 though
[03:51] <al4nc4ds> holstein, 100% full on
[03:51] <al4nc4ds> http://alancads.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/nvidia-optimus-no-ubuntu-12-04/
[03:53] <al4nc4ds> holstein, goodbye []`s
[05:03] <damit23> see you round holstein tnx again
[06:33] <ailo> holstein: envy24 devices don't work with PA until maybe 12.04
[06:34] <ailo> There were some hacks to get it working in the past, but those only worked with some releases
[06:34] <ailo> alsa/PA formality issue
[12:02] <ailo> 4
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