| nonau | After years of testing, and a few bug reports during the last couple of cycles, I think that Xubuntu Pangolin is shaping up to be the release which converts me over to a full time user. After this latest daily build finishes downloading I'll run it through the full suite of tests. | 00:01 |
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| ochosi | nonau: if you're already at it, would you mind testing the gtk-theme from git? | 00:02 |
| ochosi | it's really easy, you can download a tarball from github and extract it to ~/.themes | 00:02 |
| ochosi | then it should override the theme in /usr/share/themes | 00:02 |
| nonau | It'll be about 20 minutes before the iso finishes downloading (slow connection). After that I'll gladly test it on my netbook. | 00:03 |
| ochosi | ok cool! | 00:05 |
| ochosi | thanks | 00:05 |
| nonau | np | 00:09 |
| nonau | I'll have to install the beta and update instead. Daily didn't boot on my hardware. | 00:39 |
| ochosi | oh, that sucks | 00:39 |
| nonau | And it seems the beta wont install either. It crashes for me whether I choose install Xubuntu or go to the live cd and choose to install. | 00:51 |
| nonau | I get "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141" | 00:52 |
| ochosi | :/ | 00:52 |
| diarmuid | Have you tried booting it off a USB? | 00:57 |
| ochosi | hi diarmuid :) | 00:59 |
| diarmuid | hello :D | 00:59 |
| ochosi | you were quick to embrace my suggestion | 00:59 |
| diarmuid | Mailing list?? | 01:00 |
| ochosi | yup | 01:00 |
| ochosi | you can simply /wii $nickname to see the real-name of people here (in case they expose them) | 01:00 |
| diarmuid | Thats handy :) | 01:02 |
| ochosi | depending on what client you use (i use irssi), there are also other, more GUI-oriented ways | 01:02 |
| nonau | With Xchat a simple right click on the name will tell you. | 01:03 |
| diarmuid | Yeah I'm using Xchat just noticed that I could do that. | 01:03 |
| nonau | And I figured my way around the error... remove windows. ^^ | 01:04 |
| ochosi | hehe | 01:05 |
| diarmuid | windows don't like to be compatible with anything | 01:06 |
| ochosi | just for reference, what's your timezones? | 01:07 |
| ochosi | (mine is GMT+1) | 01:07 |
| diarmuid | GMT i think lol | 01:08 |
| diarmuid | its 1:08 | 01:08 |
| diarmuid | 1:08am | 01:08 |
| ochosi | k, so you're in GMT | 01:08 |
| ochosi | that's close enough | 01:08 |
| ochosi | i guess we'll find time to meet :) | 01:08 |
| diarmuid | Yeah not to far your from central Europe then I take it? | 01:11 |
| ochosi | austria | 01:12 |
| diarmuid | I'm from Ireland | 01:14 |
| ochosi | good stuff :) | 01:14 |
| ochosi | diarmuid: if you need guidance or help with anything feel free to ping me | 01:17 |
| diarmuid | ochosi: no problem thanks | 01:22 |
| bogner17 | What program do you use to do all your Xubuntu artwork? | 01:33 |
| ochosi | gimp and inkscape mostly | 01:35 |
| bogner17 | Do you have your own website? | 01:35 |
| bogner17 | This is Diarmuid by the way | 01:36 |
| ochosi | heh | 01:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, i figured, same IP ;) | 01:36 |
| ochosi | well, there's the shimmerproject.org | 01:36 |
| ochosi | that's kinda the website for the themes i've been working on | 01:36 |
| ochosi | but lately i mostly had time to take care of greybird | 01:37 |
| bogner17 | bognerdesigns.co.cc just a little portfolio I was putting together for web design | 01:37 |
| ochosi | looks nice | 01:40 |
| nonau | Oh, if you guys ever happen to want a few wallpapers I have some nature shots that work great for that. Apologies for butting in. | 01:41 |
| bogner17 | Very standard have a lot to learn about designing website used photoshop mostly but I want to be able to design them using inkscape and gimp. | 01:41 |
| bogner17 | No problem nonau would make some great stock images also :) | 01:42 |
| pleia2 | knome: I have a beta2 draft in wordpress, so I figure we just add to that as the week goes on | 01:42 |
| ochosi | nonau: sounds good, feel free to show them off | 01:44 |
| nonau | recommend a place to upload them? | 01:46 |
| bogner17 | photobucket.com isn't bad fits the purpose well. | 01:47 |
| ochosi | or flickr | 01:48 |
| ochosi | depending on what you wanna do with them (apart from showing them here) | 01:48 |
| ochosi | k, i'm going to sleep | 01:51 |
| ochosi | night everyone! | 01:51 |
| bogner17 | night | 01:52 |
| bogner17 | I'm heading to bed also | 01:52 |
| ochosi | see you around | 01:52 |
| pleia2 | nonau: what are you using to make your ISOs, burning to CD? USB stick? | 01:55 |
| nonau | burn to cd | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | and same error for both? | 01:55 |
| nonau | no, on the current daily the CD wasn't recognized and was skipped. Not sure if it was the ISO or the CD though. | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | I'm wondering if there is a problem with the burn, I've had it happen if I burn too fast, all kinds of weird errors | 01:57 |
| pleia2 | did you run md5sum against the iso file? | 01:58 |
| pleia2 | most people never bother to unless there is a problem, but it's important for testing | 01:58 |
| nonau | No, I haven't. 9 times in 10 I don't because I generally don't have issues with them. | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | so you can run it against the .iso file, and then again against your cdrom after burning | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | md5sum file.iso | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | md5sum /dev/cdrom | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | or whatever the device is | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | err, sorry | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | second command is wrong, let me get the right one | 01:59 |
| pleia2 | (I have been using usb sticks for too long!) | 02:00 |
| pleia2 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Manual_method | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | doh, that link fails | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD | 02:01 |
| pleia2 | and you want "Manual method" | 02:02 |
| nonau | 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 on the iso | 02:03 |
| pleia2 | 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 *precise-desktop-i386.iso | 02:04 |
| pleia2 | via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120319.1/MD5SUMS | 02:04 |
| pleia2 | good :) | 02:04 |
| nonau | It was a failed burn. Feel like an idiot now. | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | don't feel bad, we've all been there :) | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | my best one was when I burned 10 CDs for a conference before realizing they were all bad (burning too fast) | 02:06 |
| pleia2 | took me like an hour | 02:07 |
| nonau | Oh wow, that sucks. | 02:10 |
| nonau | http://www.flickr.com/photos/76375303@N08/ <-- Starting to build up the collection of photos, all free to use as wallpapers. Just got to sift through the bad shots to find some good ones | 02:11 |
| nonau | After a full update the panel artifacts seem to be gone on my Eee PC | 02:31 |
| pleia2 | well that's good | 02:31 |
| pleia2 | further proves it's a finicky thing to pin down though | 02:32 |
| nonau | Another bug, likely pulse related. The mute function key will mute the audio just fine but using the key combo again won't unmute as on Windows. | 03:09 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: nonau replicated it ^^^ | 03:10 |
| pleia2 | I was trying to test that, but my laptop doesn't have a mute key :) | 03:10 |
| pleia2 | nonau: ochosi may have some things for you to try to fix that tomorrow when he's awake | 03:12 |
| nonau | Alright, can do. I still need to test the latest git version of the theme and report on that as well. | 03:13 |
| nonau | ochosi: Theme from master is working as expected so far. Ping me if you want anything in particular tested. | 03:27 |
| nonau | Another hotkey which locks the screen doesn't seem to do anything either. I know it triggers the screensaver in Gnome. | 03:37 |
| nonau | *function key | 03:38 |
| nonau | ochosi: Theme version from git causes white text in the gksu prompt instead of the black in previous versions. | 04:02 |
| === Gryllida is now known as gry | ||
| ochosi | pleia2: hmm, if you see nonau again (i think i won't be online tonight), please tell him i'm sorry i forgot to tell him he needs to test the gtk3.3 branch from github :/ | 08:27 |
| knome | hmm | 09:53 |
| knome | somebody online? | 09:53 |
| ochosi | yup | 09:54 |
| ochosi | but not for long | 09:54 |
| knome | hey | 09:54 |
| knome | can you quickly confirm that http://xubuntu.org/ doesn't have the new looks? | 09:54 |
| knome | (it should, i got an email about that) | 09:55 |
| ochosi | you mean new logo? | 09:55 |
| knome | yes, and the new bg and all | 09:55 |
| ochosi | still old | 09:55 |
| knome | mmh | 09:55 |
| knome | i'll poke IS | 09:56 |
| ochosi | is the blog post for the new logo/branding ready? | 09:56 |
| ochosi | i think i'll do some kind of artwork post as well | 09:57 |
| ochosi | including the new lightdm-theme and new widget-theming in greybird (scale and spinbuttons etc.) | 09:58 |
| ochosi | (hope i'll have time for that soon) | 09:58 |
| astraljava | o/ | 09:59 |
| knome | ochosi, i suppose it is :) | 10:00 |
| astraljava | I fell asleep abruptly last night, so didn't test the live-cd yet, but then again Lionel reported having tested it, so I don't imagine it being a huge problem, no? | 10:00 |
| knome | nope | 10:00 |
| mr_pouit | fyi, I haven't included the new logo in lightdm yet (nor the unity-greeter xubuntu badge) | 10:18 |
| knome | mmkay | 10:22 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: feel free to ping me whenever you've tested greybird-git in your vm | 10:27 |
| mr_pouit | I've already two vms started to test 10.04 and 11.10 upgrades, plus some tests running for my work, so my system is dying right now :> | 10:29 |
| mr_pouit | (I'll test greybird this afternoon) | 10:29 |
| ochosi | whoa :) | 10:30 |
| ochosi | sure, i probably won't be online much, have an important presentation later today | 10:30 |
| ochosi | but i'll read the backlog as always | 10:30 |
| knome | mr_pouit, you've got a cc of a mail asking for more time for #955396 | 10:30 |
| ochosi | k, see y'all later | 10:33 |
| mr_pouit | knome: yep, I just read it | 10:33 |
| knome | see you ochosi | 10:36 |
| bogner17 | Good morning everyone | 11:02 |
| knome | hey bogner17 | 11:06 |
| bogner17 | What is everyone up to? | 11:10 |
| * knome is updating the new logo for debian-cd | 11:12 | |
| knome | and trying to get extended time for our UIFe (ui freeze exception) | 11:12 |
| knome | bogner17, did you read the xubuntu team description in LP? | 11:13 |
| bogner17 | Okay well I will let you guys know a little more about my skill set they and I suppose you could give me some advice on what area's I could help with Xubuntu? | 11:15 |
| knome | sure :) | 11:15 |
| bogner17 | Well I'm 19 years old and I live in Ireland not to sure if thats important :D. I have quite a lot of experience using Adobe Photoshop packages I have been using it since I was 12 years old. I am developing these skills into GIMP and Inkscape now. I also have web design skills I have created and administrated several sites over the years. I go to a Technical College and I study ICT (software development) the only programming w | 11:18 |
| knome | (you got cut at: the only programming w ...) | 11:18 |
| bogner17 | I am currently learning python and XHTML5 and I want to maybe start doing some programming using it to help develop Xubuntu. So not only will I be able to code but I will also be able to make beautiful GUI's for my programs. | 11:19 |
| bogner17 | we do is visual basic ewwh :(. | 11:19 |
| knome | heh, right | 11:20 |
| bogner17 | thats after the programming knome | 11:20 |
| astraljava | You do Visual Basic after the programming. Yeah, that actually makes perfect sense. :) | 11:20 |
| knome | bogner17, nvm astraljava, he's a bit weird.;) | 11:21 |
| astraljava | I've said it before, but I acknowledge I must repeat myself often around here. I may be weird, but at least I'm not weird. | 11:21 |
| astraljava | *blink* | 11:22 |
| astraljava | *blink* *blink* | 11:22 |
| bogner17 | Well thats what our college teaches astraljava next year at University I will be learning java, C++ and C#. | 11:22 |
| astraljava | ...I'll get me coat. | 11:22 |
| astraljava | bogner17: Oh okay, I missed the context, sorry. | 11:22 |
| knome | ahahh | 11:23 |
| bogner17 | No problem no offence taken astraljava | 11:23 |
| knome | :)= | 11:23 |
| knome | bogner17, i suppose mr_pouit and micahg would be really happy with help on the actual development | 11:23 |
| knome | that includes packaging and bugfixes and... all kinds of stuff | 11:24 |
| astraljava | bogner17: A hint from a veteran in the field; there's already a number so huge of java developers, I would concentrate on C[++|#], it's quite easy to jump into java if you nail those first. | 11:24 |
| astraljava | C++ just refuses to die, it seems. | 11:24 |
| astraljava | ...which is nice, for me. | 11:24 |
| knome | :P | 11:24 |
| bogner17 | What about coding python but implementing C++ into codes where needed? | 11:25 |
| astraljava | bogner17: That's actually what I've been doing for the past 3 years now. | 11:25 |
| bogner17 | astraljava: so would it not be better to focus on python first and foremost? | 11:25 |
| astraljava | Using python when applicable (test automation framework, for instance), and writing apps with Qt/C++. | 11:25 |
| astraljava | bogner17: Not really, but it's essential to keep it on the side. | 11:26 |
| bogner17 | So basically you can make like a prototype of the app in python before coding in C++? | 11:26 |
| astraljava | Python is very easy to get into, although that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. | 11:26 |
| astraljava | bogner17: No, I would not do that. Stick to a language, but make good decisions on which part of the system you implement in which language. | 11:27 |
| astraljava | bogner17: Of course, if you absolutely must have some proof-of-concept in 5 minutes, then do that in the language you know best. | 11:28 |
| astraljava | But stop going further than absolutely necessary before making a thorough analysis on which language would suit the job best. | 11:28 |
| bogner17 | Well I'm going to get stuck into some C++ tutorials today get some books printed off do something productive with my day. Do any off you have any good resources? | 11:29 |
| astraljava | Of course, this applies to professional jobs only. If you want to learn a new language while implementing a new system, and you have time for that, then by all means, that's the best way to get that knowledge. | 11:29 |
| astraljava | But there are still some things all languages/frameworks can't do. | 11:30 |
| astraljava | This is especially true on real-time stuff. | 11:30 |
| astraljava | ..and other similar stuff. | 11:31 |
| bogner17 | Yeah I kind of understand I suppose this will all make better sense when I learn some more. | 11:31 |
| astraljava | But I digress now, and will leave the arena to more on-topic conversation. :) | 11:31 |
| bogner17 | :) | 11:32 |
| knome | bogner17, if you can, the best way to get hold of things is to hang around this chanenl | 11:34 |
| knome | *channel | 11:34 |
| knome | communication will mostly happen here (and the mailing list) | 11:34 |
| bogner17 | Yeah I am faster than mailing lists | 11:34 |
| astraljava | knome: ...and the forums? *evil grin* | 11:35 |
| * knome (gently) kicks astraljava in the knee | 11:35 | |
| astraljava | Bah! Just as I was about to go cycling. | 11:35 |
| bogner17 | What would be the best IDE for writing lines of C++ | 11:36 |
| bogner17 | I'll be back in 5mins need to go onto my own computer this computer I'm currently on is Windows.... | 11:38 |
| bogner17_ | Back | 11:42 |
| bogner17_ | So what would be the recommended way for me to begin my studies? | 11:44 |
| astraljava | bogner17_: I've rather liked Qt Creator, but there are so many of them, and it's such a matter of personal preference. Some prefer regular text editors with syntax highlighting, some want more sophisticated features. Try Anjuta and Eclipse CDT. | 11:45 |
| astraljava | bogner17_: re: C++, if you have a linked account, I suggest you joining the C++ Developers Group, it's got plenty of interesting conversation on best practices and stuff. Obviously there are actual mailing lists and newsgroups on the topic, too. | 11:47 |
| bogner17_ | How do I go about joining them? | 11:48 |
| knome | astraljava, s/linked/linkedin/ ? | 11:50 |
| knome | mr_pouit, you can go ahead with the lightdm logo and greeter badges. :) | 11:50 |
| astraljava | knome: Thanks. | 11:51 |
| knome | np | 11:51 |
| knome | :) | 11:51 |
| astraljava | bogner17_: comp.lang.c++ and comp.lang.c++.moderated are the standards for newsgroups, for other great resources, have a look at http://www.robertnz.net/cpp_site.html | 11:54 |
| * knome is off for a while | 11:56 | |
| knome | bogner17_, great to hear you are interested in the xubuntu development :) | 11:56 |
| knome | bogner17_, i'm sure you will both learn and gain a lot, if you have the persistence to get in open source development, whatever the project :) | 11:57 |
| knome | see you later | 11:57 |
| bogner17_ | See you later thanks knome :) | 12:06 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: nice, the fix for the comboboxes and the spinbuttons is workign | 13:20 |
| mr_pouit | https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter (almost all green \o/) | 15:33 |
| mr_pouit | (exported oneiric lightdm translations from lp and reimported them for precise lightdm-gtk-greeter :) | 15:33 |
| knome | heh, nice | 15:33 |
| knome | btw, our branch to upload new logo to debian-cd got accepted | 15:34 |
| knome | what? there is no LATIN translation for the greeter? schuss | 15:34 |
| astraljava | Probably no taushiro, neither. | 15:41 |
| pleia2 | knome: I made a few small changes on the Xubuntu/Testing page, and sent a draft of the testing blog post over to Charlie for review, once he's done I'll send it to you, then we can toss it up to xubuntu.org | 15:42 |
| knome | pleia2, okay, did you notice we had a beta 2 announcement already? | 15:42 |
| knome | pleia2, it's bundled with the new branding post | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | knome: oh, no :) | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | you can just move my items then | 15:43 |
| knome | ;) | 15:43 |
| knome | i did already | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 15:43 |
| knome | i also updated the marketing page | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | ok | 15:44 |
| knome | (all new logos and microbuttons!!) | 15:45 |
| knome | anyway, i'm off again for now | 15:49 |
| knome | pleia2, thanks for handling the testing blog article on your trip :) | 15:49 |
| pleia2 | sure :) | 15:49 |
| pleia2 | it's all you guys who get to have fun with new testers I'm telling to join here ;) | 15:49 |
| astraljava | Heheh. :) | 15:53 |
| knome | astraljava, http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkimus+Koirat+hermostuvat+hevimusiikista/a1305558207724 | 18:36 |
| astraljava | Heheh. Didn't see that from my dogs, but I suppose it's possible. | 19:00 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| nonau | ochosi: The ruler in Abiword goes from grey to black with theme from git as well. | 19:47 |
| bogner17 | Hello folks | 21:04 |
| ochosi | nonau: the ruler in abiword is broken, it's not greybird's fault | 21:29 |
| ochosi | nonau: unfortunately it's known, it's an unstable version of abiword... | 21:30 |
| micahg | which is again unfortunate | 21:31 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: what about the gtk-scale? | 21:31 |
| ochosi | micahg: +1 | 21:31 |
| micahg | there's a new snapshot in Debian, I can backport it if people want to test it | 21:32 |
| ochosi | of abiword? | 21:34 |
| micahg | yeah | 21:34 |
| knome | derr | 21:35 |
| knome | the logo in xubuntu.org is for some really weird reason not aligned. | 21:36 |
| knome | i am *sure* i checked that | 21:36 |
| ochosi | micahg: yeah, could be worth a try | 21:36 |
| knome | pleia2, you here? | 21:36 |
| micahg | ochosi: ok, once a test build completes, I'll backport to my PPA | 21:36 |
| ochosi | micahg: cool! | 21:37 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: hey there, how's it goin? still busy as ... ? | 21:37 |
| leo-unglaub | as hell....sadly yes | 21:37 |
| leo-unglaub | huge project deadline moves... | 21:37 |
| leo-unglaub | and i am the guy who has to fix is | 21:37 |
| leo-unglaub | ... | 21:37 |
| ochosi | wow ok | 21:37 |
| pleia2 | knome: not for long | 21:38 |
| pleia2 | ooh pretty | 21:38 |
| knome | right | 21:38 |
| knome | pleia2, do you think it's okay to wait with the branding article until b2? | 21:39 |
| knome | pleia2, also, what do you want to do with the pingbacks? | 21:39 |
| pleia2 | yeah I think that's fine | 21:39 |
| pleia2 | we should disable pingbacks | 21:39 |
| knome | that's not possible... | 21:39 |
| knome | at least not trivially | 21:39 |
| knome | pingbacks are in a way interesting | 21:39 |
| knome | they could lead us to "xubuntu in the press" -stuff | 21:39 |
| knome | it would be great to gather them to one place though | 21:40 |
| knome | that would be possible with a template in the theme | 21:40 |
| knome | (find any pingbacks on any post, and order by date, and for example, show 20 newest) | 21:40 |
| pleia2 | ah | 21:40 |
| pleia2 | hmm | 21:40 |
| knome | bah, we could even make that a shortcode so we could use that on the "press" frontpage | 21:41 |
| knome | that's more/as trivial than disabling pingbacks | 21:41 |
| knome | *than/as :) | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | :) | 21:41 |
| knome | otoh, looks like some of the pingbacks aren't so interesting | 21:42 |
| knome | so that would need some work when approving/deleting | 21:42 |
| knome | but i don't think that's a problem, since there is really no rush in approving those, just do it when you log in :) | 21:42 |
| leo-unglaub | are you talking about http://xubuntu.org/ ? | 21:44 |
| knome | leo-unglaub, y | 21:44 |
| knome | i will look into it now, probably quickly write a mockup to start building on | 21:46 |
| * pleia2 train | 21:47 | |
| knome | pleia2, see you later, and keep on having fun | 21:48 |
| micahg | ochosi: abiword snapshot uploaded to ppa:micahg/ppa, should build in ~1hr | 21:49 |
| micahg | if this fixes enough issues, I'll take care of shepherding it into precise | 21:49 |
| knome | :) | 21:50 |
| knome | mr_pouit, ? | 21:54 |
| nonau | ochosi: Understood about the Abiword issue. As for the password prompt having white text, what reason is there for that? | 22:00 |
| ochosi | micahg: sweet, i'll check it out (tomorrow) | 22:06 |
| ochosi | nonau: hm, i didn't read that before, what password prompt? | 22:06 |
| Pjotr | Hello, I wish to report a problem with alacarte menu editor, which is part of Xubuntu 12.04 | 22:15 |
| Pjotr | It's untranslatable, just like lightdm-gtk-greeter was (until mr_pouit fixed it at Launchpad) | 22:15 |
| micahg | Pjotr: things in universe aren't translatable in launchpad | 22:16 |
| micahg | so, that's the case with most of the xubuntu packages | 22:16 |
| Pjotr | OK.... where can I translate it then? Not in the Xfce project, of which I'm a translator as well... | 22:17 |
| knome | Pjotr, upstream | 22:18 |
| Pjotr | googled it, but can't find it.... | 22:19 |
| nonau | ochosi: The gksu? prompt before launching synaptic. | 22:19 |
| micahg | Pjotr: I think alacarte is part of GNOME | 22:20 |
| ochosi | nonau: aha. were you using the gtk3.3 branch? | 22:20 |
| knome | micahg, it is | 22:20 |
| ochosi | nonau: (i think i forgot to tell you that..) | 22:20 |
| nonau | ochosi: I simply downloaded the tarball of the master git. I don't recall anything about you mentioning gtk 3.3. | 22:21 |
| ochosi | nonau: oh, sorry then. master doesn't work well in precise. there were quite a few not-backward compatible changes in gtk3.3, so i created a separate branch for that in github | 22:22 |
| Pjotr | micahg: OK, I'll see what I can do then.... Thanks for the info. | 22:23 |
| nonau | ochosi: Where do I download this gtk 3.3 branch then? | 22:25 |
| ochosi | nonau: i think this should work: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/gtk3.3 | 22:27 |
| nonau | ochosi: Thank you. gksu and the grey rulers are back thanks to that. :) | 22:30 |
| nonau | Now if I could remember how to make Synaptic use newly downloaded themes... | 22:31 |
| ochosi | sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Greybird && sudo mv Greybird /usr/share/themes ;) | 22:32 |
| nonau | thank you | 22:34 |
| ochosi | np | 22:34 |
| astraljava | knome: I'm a little behind on bugs, are there some critical or high importance ones that needed some love but aren't getting any? | 22:46 |
| knome | i don't know of any concerning xubuntu, but you might want to check with micahg or mr_pouit | 22:46 |
| micahg | no idea, I have enough of my own bugs ATM :) | 22:47 |
| astraljava | Heheh. :) | 22:47 |
| knome | there's probably nothing too critical | 22:47 |
| astraljava | Ok, I'll just look around in mail and LP, then. | 22:47 |
| knome | micahg, ? | 23:08 |
| micahg | knome: what? | 23:08 |
| knome | micahg, do you know how to revert the images-on-dark-bg feature on FF? | 23:09 |
| micahg | feature? | 23:09 |
| micahg | AIUI, it was a bug that was fixed | 23:09 |
| knome | well, they used to be shown on white bg | 23:09 |
| knome | i'm on oneiric | 23:10 |
| knome | am i missing something? | 23:10 |
| micahg | oh, right :) | 23:11 |
| knome | i understood it's a *feature* that's why said so... :) | 23:11 |
| * micahg thought you were referring to the thunderbird thing | 23:12 | |
| knome | no, since when would FF started meaning TB? | 23:12 |
| knome | :) | 23:12 |
| micahg | since I appear to be half asleep :0 | 23:12 |
| knome | heh | 23:13 |
| micahg | nope, doesn't appear to be a way at present | 23:13 |
| knome | fsst :< | 23:14 |
| knome | that's a really bad change, really.. | 23:14 |
| knome | i am sure there is a bugreport for this though | 23:14 |
| knome | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997 | 23:15 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 376997 in Layout "Render standalone images against a dark gray background" [Enhancement,Verified: fixed] | 23:15 |
| micahg | knome: BTW, you're not the first person to complain about it, that was the bug that was fixed | 23:16 |
| knome | aha... | 23:17 |
| micahg | you can file a feature request to make it controllable and block that bug if you like | 23:17 |
| knome | "block" ?:) | 23:18 |
| micahg | there's a blocks field when you file a bug, it just means that if the blocked bug is backed out, then this should be too | 23:19 |
| knome | i both understand and don't :) | 23:20 |
| mr_pouit | *g*, it takes so much time to test bild artwork package because of optipng :< | 23:26 |
| knome | heh | 23:26 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: gtk-scale? where do I test that? | 23:26 |
| knome | mr_pouit, are you uploading the greeter badge and the ligthdm logo? (: | 23:26 |
| mr_pouit | in a few minutes (when my test build ends) | 23:27 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: e.g. in pavucontrol | 23:27 |
| ochosi | i don't know many other places | 23:27 |
| ochosi | especially for vertical scales, i don't know of any app that uses it (so it's untested) | 23:27 |
| mr_pouit | oh, ok, I'll try that tomorrow | 23:27 |
| ochosi | ty | 23:28 |
| mr_pouit | I guess I'll upload a new revision of shimmer-themes tomorrow evening | 23:28 |
| ochosi | have you by any chance tested the power-notifications? | 23:28 |
| mr_pouit | I didn't touch elementary-xfce recently :] | 23:28 |
| knome | mr_pouit, mmh, we got two days more time, so until thu | 23:28 |
| knome | debian-cd is fixed \o/ | 23:29 |
| knome | ochosi, we should look into making our slideshow less tall for P+1... | 23:29 |
| knome | ochosi, it's not fitting notebooks currently | 23:29 |
| ochosi | meh | 23:30 |
| ochosi | ok | 23:30 |
| ochosi | or do a new on | 23:30 |
| ochosi | e | 23:30 |
| knome | ochosi, we *could* fix that for P already, but that would most probably mean smaller text size | 23:30 |
| knome | ochosi, or smaller screenshots... | 23:30 |
| ochosi | smaller font would be ok imo | 23:30 |
| ochosi | it's still far larger than most text on the screen, and people can read those things too | 23:30 |
| knome | how do you feel about the screenshots being cut from the bottom then? | 23:31 |
| knome | we need like 95px more space... | 23:31 |
| ochosi | wow, that's quite a bit | 23:31 |
| ochosi | how come? | 23:31 |
| knome | the height is 550 now | 23:31 |
| mr_pouit | astraljava: no critical crash that I'm aware of for xfce (but I didn't check recently reported private bugs, lp doesn't notify us about them...) | 23:31 |
| knome | plus, window borders, plus the progress bar | 23:31 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: well yeah, but you still could've pulled the latest rev from git to your vm :} | 23:33 |
| ochosi | (just sayin ;) ) | 23:34 |
| mr_pouit | you didn't ask, so I tried to be lazy ;> | 23:35 |
| ochosi | hehe | 23:36 |
| knome | hah | 23:36 |
| ochosi | what are the chances of a physical install of a daily 64bit image to be successful? | 23:37 |
| knome | 90%+ ? | 23:37 |
| ochosi | hm, sounds good enough | 23:37 |
| mr_pouit | unless ubiquity suddendly broke, 99% ? :P | 23:37 |
| ochosi | then i'll delete my testing-vm now and try that physical install | 23:38 |
| ochosi | far better for testing anyway | 23:38 |
| ochosi | swoosh, and it's gone | 23:38 |
| ochosi | hmm, downloading takes far longer... | 23:40 |
| knome | ha | 23:40 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: i'll go through the sound tests now, how long will you be available tonight? | 23:40 |
| ochosi | (i might need some guidance here or there) | 23:40 |
| mr_pouit | 5~10 minutes (waiting for xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 to show up on precise-changes@) | 23:41 |
| mr_pouit | after that I really need to sleep | 23:41 |
| ochosi | hmm, ok | 23:42 |
| ochosi | so just very quickly: | 23:42 |
| ochosi | first i'll test the mute-thing. but i'm sure unmute won't work | 23:42 |
| knome | ochosi, we'd need to redo the desktop-slide image | 23:42 |
| knome | ochosi, that doesn't really fit in... | 23:42 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: with the (non-existing) default settings? | 23:43 |
| ochosi | then i try the proposed change from the bugreport (set xfce4-mixer active-card to pulseaudio) | 23:43 |
| mr_pouit | I guess it won't work, indeed | 23:43 |
| mr_pouit | yes | 23:43 |
| ochosi | then i check whether xfce4-mixer still works and whether it pops up notifications | 23:43 |
| ochosi | is that it, or shall i uninstall pulseaudio totally as well and see whether that solves anything? :) | 23:43 |
| mr_pouit | open xfce4-mixer > change the volume using media keys > check that xfce4-mixer reflects the change too | 23:44 |
| ochosi | mhm | 23:44 |
| mr_pouit | open xfce4-mixer > change the volume and check that a notification appears | 23:44 |
| mr_pouit | I guess if they both work as expected, that's perfect | 23:45 |
| ochosi | and if not? | 23:45 |
| mr_pouit | (I don't have pulseaudio on debian, and it solves everything :P) | 23:45 |
| ochosi | i was afraid that would solve everything.. | 23:46 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: if not, then gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio still sucks, and I'm not sure what's the right decision for precise :< | 23:46 |
| ochosi | it was an odd (and imo hasty and uninformed) decision of charlie to install that by default... | 23:46 |
| ochosi | mkay, live-stick is almost ready | 23:47 |
| mr_pouit | we don't install willingly pulseaudio by default | 23:47 |
| ochosi | in fact i could even test this in the live-environment | 23:47 |
| ochosi | we don't? | 23:48 |
| ochosi | i thought that was a conscious decision | 23:48 |
| ochosi | so what triggers that then? | 23:48 |
| mr_pouit | there's no "*pulse*" string in the seeds | 23:48 |
| mr_pouit | ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default, so something is pulling it for us too | 23:48 |
| ochosi | meh | 23:48 |
| ochosi | ok | 23:49 |
| ochosi | i see | 23:49 |
| knome | but pulseaudio isn't too bad nowadays, is it? | 23:49 |
| astraljava | mr_pouit: Ok, thanks! | 23:49 |
| ochosi | booting into live-system now, brb | 23:49 |
| mr_pouit | knome: xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 uploaded (lightdm + badge with the new logo) | 23:50 |
| knome | \o/ | 23:50 |
| knome | that should be it for the logos | 23:51 |
| ochosi | back | 23:52 |
| mr_pouit | knome: pulse isn't too bad I think, but it doesn't interact well with xfce4-{mixer,volumed} right now | 23:52 |
| mr_pouit | ochosi: fyi, at least indicator-sound-gtk2 depends on pulseaudio | 23:53 |
| ochosi | mr_pouit: if thats the only thing we could skip it imo | 23:53 |
| ochosi | but anyway... | 23:54 |
| ochosi | starting the sound-tests now | 23:54 |
| ochosi | (oh how i hate us kb-layout) | 23:54 |
| knome | heh | 23:55 |
| ochosi | ok, i need to install, otherwise i can't easily restart the session | 23:56 |
| * knome read "restart the simon" | 23:57 | |
| ochosi | maybe/ubiquity isn't very pretty | 23:57 |
| knome | we might be okay with 470, if that's good for netbooks | 23:58 |
| * knome is getting somebody to test that | 23:58 | |
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