[00:01] <nonau> After years of testing, and a few bug reports during the last couple of cycles, I think that Xubuntu Pangolin is shaping up to be the release which converts me over to a full time user.  After this latest daily build finishes downloading I'll run it through the full suite of tests.
[00:02] <ochosi> nonau: if you're already at it, would you mind testing the gtk-theme from git?
[00:02] <ochosi> it's really easy, you can download a tarball from github and extract it to ~/.themes
[00:02] <ochosi> then it should override the theme in /usr/share/themes
[00:03] <nonau> It'll be about 20 minutes before the iso finishes downloading (slow connection).  After that I'll gladly test it on my netbook.
[00:05] <ochosi> ok cool!
[00:05] <ochosi> thanks
[00:09] <nonau> np
[00:39] <nonau> I'll have to install the beta and update instead.  Daily didn't boot on my hardware.
[00:39] <ochosi> oh, that sucks
[00:51] <nonau> And it seems the beta wont install either.  It crashes for me whether I choose install Xubuntu or go to the live cd and choose to install.
[00:52] <nonau> I get "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141"
[00:52] <ochosi> :/
[00:57] <diarmuid> Have you tried booting it off a USB?
[00:59] <ochosi> hi diarmuid :)
[00:59] <diarmuid> hello :D
[00:59] <ochosi> you were quick to embrace my suggestion
[01:00] <diarmuid> Mailing list??
[01:00] <ochosi> yup
[01:00] <ochosi> you can simply /wii $nickname to see the real-name of people here (in case they expose them)
[01:02] <diarmuid> Thats handy :)
[01:02] <ochosi> depending on what client you use (i use irssi), there are also other, more GUI-oriented ways
[01:03] <nonau> With Xchat a simple right click on the name will tell you.
[01:03] <diarmuid> Yeah I'm using Xchat just noticed that I could do that.
[01:04] <nonau> And I figured my way around the error... remove windows. ^^
[01:05] <ochosi> hehe
[01:06] <diarmuid> windows don't like to be compatible with anything
[01:07] <ochosi> just for reference, what's your timezones?
[01:07] <ochosi> (mine is GMT+1)
[01:08] <diarmuid> GMT i think lol
[01:08] <diarmuid> its 1:08
[01:08] <diarmuid> 1:08am
[01:08] <ochosi> k, so you're in GMT
[01:08] <ochosi> that's close enough
[01:08] <ochosi> i guess we'll find time to meet :)
[01:11] <diarmuid> Yeah not to far your from central Europe then I take it?
[01:12] <ochosi> austria
[01:14] <diarmuid> I'm from Ireland
[01:14] <ochosi> good stuff :)
[01:17] <ochosi> diarmuid: if you need guidance or help with anything feel free to ping me
[01:22] <diarmuid> ochosi: no problem thanks
[01:33] <bogner17> What program do you use to do all your Xubuntu artwork?
[01:35] <ochosi> gimp and inkscape mostly
[01:35] <bogner17> Do you have your own website?
[01:36] <bogner17> This is Diarmuid by the way 
[01:36] <ochosi> heh
[01:36] <ochosi> yeah, i figured, same IP ;)
[01:36] <ochosi> well, there's the shimmerproject.org
[01:36] <ochosi> that's kinda the website for the themes i've been working on
[01:37] <ochosi> but lately i mostly had time to take care of greybird
[01:37] <bogner17> bognerdesigns.co.cc just a little portfolio I was putting together for web design
[01:40] <ochosi> looks nice
[01:41] <nonau> Oh, if you guys ever happen to want a few wallpapers I have some nature shots that work great for that.  Apologies for butting in.
[01:41] <bogner17> Very standard have a lot to learn about designing website used photoshop mostly but I want to be able to design them using inkscape and gimp.
[01:42] <bogner17> No problem nonau would make some great stock images also :)
[01:42] <pleia2> knome: I have a beta2 draft in wordpress, so I figure we just add to that as the week goes on
[01:44] <ochosi> nonau: sounds good, feel free to show them off
[01:46] <nonau> recommend a place to upload them?
[01:47] <bogner17> photobucket.com isn't bad fits the purpose well.
[01:48] <ochosi> or flickr
[01:48] <ochosi> depending on what you wanna do with them (apart from showing them here)
[01:51] <ochosi> k, i'm going to sleep
[01:51] <ochosi> night everyone!
[01:52] <bogner17> night
[01:52] <bogner17> I'm heading to bed also
[01:52] <ochosi> see you around
[01:55] <pleia2> nonau: what are you using to make your ISOs, burning to CD? USB stick?
[01:55] <nonau> burn to cd
[01:55] <pleia2> and same error for both?
[01:57] <nonau> no, on the current daily the CD wasn't recognized and was skipped.  Not sure if it was the ISO or the CD though.
[01:57] <pleia2> I'm wondering if there is a problem with the burn, I've had it happen if I burn too fast, all kinds of weird errors
[01:58] <pleia2> did you run md5sum against the iso file?
[01:58] <pleia2> most people never bother to unless there is a problem, but it's important for testing
[01:59] <nonau> No, I haven't.  9 times in 10 I don't because I generally don't have issues with them.
[01:59] <pleia2> yeah :)
[01:59] <pleia2> so you can run it against the .iso file, and then again against your cdrom after burning
[01:59] <pleia2> md5sum file.iso
[01:59] <pleia2> md5sum /dev/cdrom
[01:59] <pleia2> or whatever the device is
[01:59] <pleia2> err, sorry
[01:59] <pleia2> second command is wrong, let me get the right one
[02:00] <pleia2> (I have been using usb sticks for too long!)
[02:01] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Manual_method
[02:01] <pleia2> doh, that link fails
[02:01] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD
[02:02] <pleia2> and you want "Manual method"
[02:03] <nonau> 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 on the iso
[02:04] <pleia2> 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 *precise-desktop-i386.iso
[02:04] <pleia2> via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120319.1/MD5SUMS
[02:04] <pleia2> good :)
[02:06] <nonau> It was a failed burn.   Feel like an idiot now.
[02:06] <pleia2> don't feel bad, we've all been there :)
[02:06] <pleia2> my best one was when I burned 10 CDs for a conference before realizing they were all bad (burning too fast)
[02:07] <pleia2> took me like an hour
[02:10] <nonau> Oh wow, that sucks.
[02:11] <nonau> http://www.flickr.com/photos/76375303@N08/ <-- Starting to build up the collection of photos, all free to use as wallpapers.  Just got to sift through the bad shots to find some good ones
[02:31] <nonau> After a full update the panel artifacts seem to be gone on my Eee PC
[02:31] <pleia2> well that's good
[02:32] <pleia2> further proves it's a finicky thing to pin down though
[03:09] <nonau> Another bug, likely pulse related.  The mute function key will mute the audio just fine but using the key combo again won't unmute as on Windows.
[03:10] <pleia2> ochosi: nonau replicated it ^^^
[03:10] <pleia2> I was trying to test that, but my laptop doesn't have a mute key :)
[03:12] <pleia2> nonau: ochosi may have some things for you to try to fix that tomorrow when he's awake
[03:13] <nonau> Alright, can do.  I still need to test the latest git version of the theme and report on that as well.
[03:27] <nonau> ochosi:  Theme from master is working as expected so far.  Ping me if you want anything in particular tested.
[03:37] <nonau> Another hotkey which locks the screen doesn't seem to do anything either.  I know it triggers the screensaver in Gnome.
[03:38] <nonau> *function key
[04:02] <nonau> ochosi: Theme version from git causes white text in the gksu prompt instead of the black in previous versions.
[08:27] <ochosi> pleia2: hmm, if you see nonau again (i think i won't be online tonight), please tell him i'm sorry i forgot to tell him he needs to test the gtk3.3 branch from github :/
[09:53] <knome> hmm
[09:53] <knome> somebody online?
[09:54] <ochosi> yup
[09:54] <ochosi> but not for long
[09:54] <knome> hey
[09:54] <knome> can you quickly confirm that http://xubuntu.org/ doesn't have the new looks?
[09:55] <knome> (it should, i got an email about that)
[09:55] <ochosi> you mean new logo?
[09:55] <knome> yes, and the new bg and all
[09:55] <ochosi> still old
[09:55] <knome> mmh
[09:56] <knome> i'll poke IS
[09:56] <ochosi> is the blog post for the new logo/branding ready?
[09:57] <ochosi> i think i'll do some kind of artwork post as well
[09:58] <ochosi> including the new lightdm-theme and new widget-theming in greybird (scale and spinbuttons etc.)
[09:58] <ochosi> (hope i'll have time for that soon)
[09:59] <astraljava> o/
[10:00] <knome> ochosi, i suppose it is :)
[10:00] <astraljava> I fell asleep abruptly last night, so didn't test the live-cd yet, but then again Lionel reported having tested it, so I don't imagine it being a huge problem, no?
[10:00] <knome> nope
[10:18] <mr_pouit> fyi, I haven't included the new logo in lightdm yet (nor the unity-greeter xubuntu badge)
[10:22] <knome> mmkay
[10:27] <ochosi> mr_pouit: feel free to ping me whenever you've tested greybird-git in your vm
[10:29] <mr_pouit> I've already two vms started to test 10.04 and 11.10 upgrades, plus some tests running for my work, so my system is dying right now :>
[10:29] <mr_pouit> (I'll test greybird this afternoon)
[10:30] <ochosi> whoa :)
[10:30] <ochosi> sure, i probably won't be online much, have an important presentation later today
[10:30] <ochosi> but i'll read the backlog as always
[10:30] <knome> mr_pouit, you've got a cc of a mail asking for more time for #955396
[10:33] <ochosi> k, see y'all later
[10:33] <mr_pouit> knome: yep, I just read it
[10:36] <knome> see you ochosi 
[11:02] <bogner17> Good morning everyone
[11:06] <knome> hey bogner17 
[11:10] <bogner17> What is everyone up to?
[11:12]  * knome is updating the new logo for debian-cd
[11:12] <knome> and trying to get extended time for our UIFe (ui freeze exception)
[11:13] <knome> bogner17, did you read the xubuntu team description in LP?
[11:15] <bogner17> Okay well I will let you guys know a little more about my skill set they and I suppose you could give me some advice on what area's I could help with Xubuntu?
[11:15] <knome> sure :)
[11:18] <bogner17> Well I'm 19 years old and I live in Ireland not to sure if thats important :D. I have quite a lot of experience using Adobe Photoshop packages I have been using it since I was 12 years old. I am developing these skills into GIMP and Inkscape now. I also have web design skills I have created and administrated several sites over the years. I go to a Technical College and I study ICT (software development) the only programming w
[11:18] <knome> (you got cut at: the only programming w ...)
[11:19] <bogner17> I am currently learning python and XHTML5 and I want to maybe start doing some programming using it to help develop Xubuntu. So not only will I be able to code but I will also be able to make beautiful GUI's for my programs.
[11:19] <bogner17> we do is visual basic ewwh :(.
[11:20] <knome> heh, right
[11:20] <bogner17> thats after the programming knome
[11:20] <astraljava> You do Visual Basic after the programming. Yeah, that actually makes perfect sense. :)
[11:21] <knome> bogner17, nvm astraljava, he's a bit weird.;)
[11:21] <astraljava> I've said it before, but I acknowledge I must repeat myself often around here. I may be weird, but at least I'm not weird.
[11:22] <astraljava> *blink*
[11:22] <astraljava> *blink* *blink*
[11:22] <bogner17> Well thats what our college teaches astraljava next year at University I will be learning java, C++ and C#. 
[11:22] <astraljava> ...I'll get me coat.
[11:22] <astraljava> bogner17: Oh okay, I missed the context, sorry.
[11:23] <knome> ahahh
[11:23] <bogner17> No problem no offence taken astraljava
[11:23] <knome> :)=
[11:23] <knome> bogner17, i suppose mr_pouit and micahg would be really happy with help on the actual development
[11:24] <knome> that includes packaging and bugfixes and... all kinds of stuff
[11:24] <astraljava> bogner17: A hint from a veteran in the field; there's already a number so huge of java developers, I would concentrate on C[++|#], it's quite easy to jump into java if you nail those first.
[11:24] <astraljava> C++ just refuses to die, it seems.
[11:24] <astraljava> ...which is nice, for me.
[11:24] <knome> :P
[11:25] <bogner17> What about coding python but implementing C++ into codes where needed?
[11:25] <astraljava> bogner17: That's actually what I've been doing for the past 3 years now.
[11:25] <bogner17> astraljava: so would it not be better to focus on python first and foremost? 
[11:25] <astraljava> Using python when applicable (test automation framework, for instance), and writing apps with Qt/C++.
[11:26] <astraljava> bogner17: Not really, but it's essential to keep it on the side.
[11:26] <bogner17> So basically you can make like a prototype of the app in python before coding in C++?
[11:26] <astraljava> Python is very easy to get into, although that doesn't mean that's all there is to it.
[11:27] <astraljava> bogner17: No, I would not do that. Stick to a language, but make good decisions on which part of the system you implement in which language.
[11:28] <astraljava> bogner17: Of course, if you absolutely must have some proof-of-concept in 5 minutes, then do that in the language you know best.
[11:28] <astraljava> But stop going further than absolutely necessary before making a thorough analysis on which language would suit the job best.
[11:29] <bogner17> Well I'm going to get stuck into some C++ tutorials today get some books printed off do something productive with my day. Do any off you have any good resources?
[11:29] <astraljava> Of course, this applies to professional jobs only. If you want to learn a new language while implementing a new system, and you have time for that, then by all means, that's the best way to get that knowledge.
[11:30] <astraljava> But there are still some things all languages/frameworks can't do.
[11:30] <astraljava> This is especially true on real-time stuff.
[11:31] <astraljava> ..and other similar stuff.
[11:31] <bogner17> Yeah I kind of understand I suppose this will all make better sense when I learn some more.
[11:31] <astraljava> But I digress now, and will leave the arena to more on-topic conversation. :)
[11:32] <bogner17> :)
[11:34] <knome> bogner17, if you can, the best way to get hold of things is to hang around this chanenl
[11:34] <knome> *channel
[11:34] <knome> communication will mostly happen here (and the mailing list)
[11:34] <bogner17> Yeah I am faster than mailing lists
[11:35] <astraljava> knome: ...and the forums? *evil grin*
[11:35]  * knome (gently) kicks astraljava in the knee
[11:35] <astraljava> Bah! Just as I was about to go cycling.
[11:36] <bogner17> What would be the best IDE for writing lines of C++
[11:38] <bogner17> I'll be back in 5mins need to go onto my own computer this computer I'm currently on is Windows....
[11:42] <bogner17_> Back
[11:44] <bogner17_> So what would be the recommended way for me to begin my studies?
[11:45] <astraljava> bogner17_: I've rather liked Qt Creator, but there are so many of them, and it's such a matter of personal preference. Some prefer regular text editors with syntax highlighting, some want more sophisticated features. Try Anjuta and Eclipse CDT.
[11:47] <astraljava> bogner17_: re: C++, if you have a linked account, I suggest you joining the C++ Developers Group, it's got plenty of interesting conversation on best practices and stuff. Obviously there are actual mailing lists and newsgroups on the topic, too.
[11:48] <bogner17_> How do I go about joining them?
[11:50] <knome> astraljava, s/linked/linkedin/ ?
[11:50] <knome> mr_pouit, you can go ahead with the lightdm logo and greeter badges. :)
[11:51] <astraljava> knome: Thanks.
[11:51] <knome> np
[11:51] <knome> :)
[11:54] <astraljava> bogner17_: comp.lang.c++ and comp.lang.c++.moderated are the standards for newsgroups, for other great resources, have a look at http://www.robertnz.net/cpp_site.html
[11:56]  * knome is off for a while
[11:56] <knome> bogner17_, great to hear you are interested in the xubuntu development :)
[11:57] <knome> bogner17_, i'm sure you will both learn and gain a lot, if you have the persistence to get in open source development, whatever the project :)
[11:57] <knome> see you later
[12:06] <bogner17_> See you later thanks knome :)
[13:20] <mr_pouit> ochosi: nice, the fix for the comboboxes and the spinbuttons is workign
[15:33] <mr_pouit> https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter (almost all green \o/)
[15:33] <mr_pouit> (exported oneiric lightdm translations from lp and reimported them for precise lightdm-gtk-greeter :)
[15:33] <knome> heh, nice
[15:34] <knome> btw, our branch to upload new logo to debian-cd got accepted
[15:34] <knome> what? there is no LATIN translation for the greeter? schuss
[15:41] <astraljava> Probably no taushiro, neither.
[15:42] <pleia2> knome: I made a few small changes on the Xubuntu/Testing page, and sent a draft of the testing blog post over to Charlie for review, once he's done I'll send it to you, then we can toss it up to xubuntu.org
[15:42] <knome> pleia2, okay, did you notice we had a beta 2 announcement already?
[15:43] <knome> pleia2, it's bundled with the new branding post
[15:43] <pleia2> knome: oh, no :)
[15:43] <pleia2> you can just move my items then
[15:43] <knome> ;)
[15:43] <knome> i did already
[15:43] <pleia2> thanks
[15:43] <knome> i also updated the marketing page
[15:44] <pleia2> ok
[15:45] <knome> (all new logos and microbuttons!!)
[15:49] <knome> anyway, i'm off again for now
[15:49] <knome> pleia2, thanks for handling the testing blog article on your trip :)
[15:49] <pleia2> sure :)
[15:49] <pleia2> it's all you guys who get to have fun with new testers I'm telling to join here ;)
[15:53] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[18:36] <knome> astraljava, http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkimus+Koirat+hermostuvat+hevimusiikista/a1305558207724
[19:00] <astraljava> Heheh. Didn't see that from my dogs, but I suppose it's possible.
[19:47] <nonau> ochosi:  The ruler in Abiword goes from grey to black with theme from git as well.
[21:04] <bogner17> Hello folks
[21:29] <ochosi> nonau: the ruler in abiword is broken, it's not greybird's fault
[21:30] <ochosi> nonau: unfortunately it's known, it's an unstable version of abiword...
[21:31] <micahg> which is again unfortunate
[21:31] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what about the gtk-scale?
[21:31] <ochosi> micahg: +1
[21:32] <micahg> there's a new snapshot in Debian, I can backport it if people want to test it
[21:34] <ochosi> of abiword?
[21:34] <micahg> yeah
[21:35] <knome> derr
[21:36] <knome> the logo in xubuntu.org is for some really weird reason not aligned.
[21:36] <knome> i am *sure* i checked that
[21:36] <ochosi> micahg: yeah, could be worth a try
[21:36] <knome> pleia2, you here?
[21:36] <micahg> ochosi: ok, once a test build completes, I'll backport to my PPA
[21:37] <ochosi> micahg: cool!
[21:37] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: hey there, how's it goin? still busy as ... ?
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> as hell....sadly yes
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> huge project deadline moves...
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> and i am the guy who has to fix is
[21:37] <leo-unglaub> ...
[21:37] <ochosi> wow ok
[21:38] <pleia2> knome: not for long
[21:38] <pleia2> ooh pretty
[21:38] <knome> right
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, do you think it's okay to wait with the branding article until b2?
[21:39] <knome> pleia2, also, what do you want to do with the pingbacks?
[21:39] <pleia2> yeah I think that's fine
[21:39] <pleia2> we should disable pingbacks
[21:39] <knome> that's not possible...
[21:39] <knome> at least not trivially
[21:39] <knome> pingbacks are in a way interesting
[21:39] <knome> they could lead us to "xubuntu in the press" -stuff
[21:40] <knome> it would be great to gather them to one place though
[21:40] <knome> that would be possible with a template in the theme
[21:40] <knome> (find any pingbacks on any post, and order by date, and for example, show 20 newest)
[21:40] <pleia2> ah
[21:40] <pleia2> hmm
[21:41] <knome> bah, we could even make that a shortcode so we could use that on the "press" frontpage
[21:41] <knome> that's more/as trivial than disabling pingbacks
[21:41] <knome> *than/as :)
[21:41] <pleia2> :)
[21:42] <knome> otoh, looks like some of the pingbacks aren't so interesting
[21:42] <knome> so that would need some work when approving/deleting
[21:42] <knome> but i don't think that's a problem, since there is really no rush in approving those, just do it when you log in :)
[21:44] <leo-unglaub> are you talking about http://xubuntu.org/ ?
[21:44] <knome> leo-unglaub, y
[21:46] <knome> i will look into it now, probably quickly write a mockup to start building on
[21:47]  * pleia2 train
[21:48] <knome> pleia2, see you later, and keep on having fun
[21:49] <micahg> ochosi: abiword snapshot uploaded to ppa:micahg/ppa, should build in ~1hr
[21:49] <micahg> if this fixes enough issues, I'll take care of shepherding it into precise
[21:50] <knome> :)
[21:54] <knome> mr_pouit, ?
[22:00] <nonau> ochosi:  Understood about the Abiword issue.  As for the password prompt having white text, what reason is there for that?
[22:06] <ochosi> micahg: sweet, i'll check it out (tomorrow)
[22:06] <ochosi> nonau: hm, i didn't read that before, what password prompt?
[22:15] <Pjotr> Hello, I wish to report a problem with alacarte menu editor, which is part of Xubuntu 12.04
[22:15] <Pjotr> It's untranslatable, just like lightdm-gtk-greeter was (until mr_pouit fixed it at Launchpad)
[22:16] <micahg> Pjotr: things in universe aren't translatable in launchpad
[22:16] <micahg> so, that's the case with most of the xubuntu packages
[22:17] <Pjotr> OK.... where can I translate it then? Not in the Xfce project, of which I'm a translator as well...
[22:18] <knome> Pjotr, upstream
[22:19] <Pjotr> googled it, but can't find it....
[22:19] <nonau> ochosi: The gksu? prompt before launching synaptic.
[22:20] <micahg> Pjotr: I think alacarte is part of GNOME
[22:20] <ochosi> nonau: aha. were you using the gtk3.3 branch?
[22:20] <knome> micahg, it is
[22:20] <ochosi> nonau: (i think i forgot to tell you that..)
[22:21] <nonau> ochosi: I simply downloaded the tarball of the master git.  I don't recall anything about you mentioning gtk 3.3.
[22:22] <ochosi> nonau: oh, sorry then. master doesn't work well in precise. there were quite a few not-backward compatible changes in gtk3.3, so i created a separate branch for that in github
[22:23] <Pjotr> micahg: OK, I'll see what I can do then.... Thanks for the info.
[22:25] <nonau> ochosi: Where do I download this gtk 3.3 branch then?
[22:27] <ochosi> nonau: i think this should work: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/gtk3.3
[22:30] <nonau> ochosi: Thank you.  gksu and the grey rulers are back thanks to that. :)
[22:31] <nonau> Now if I could remember how to make Synaptic use newly downloaded themes...
[22:32] <ochosi> sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Greybird && sudo mv Greybird /usr/share/themes ;)
[22:34] <nonau> thank you
[22:34] <ochosi> np
[22:46] <astraljava> knome: I'm a little behind on bugs, are there some critical or high importance ones that needed some love but aren't getting any?
[22:46] <knome> i don't know of any concerning xubuntu, but you might want to check with micahg or mr_pouit 
[22:47] <micahg> no idea, I have enough of my own bugs ATM :)
[22:47] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[22:47] <knome> there's probably nothing too critical
[22:47] <astraljava> Ok, I'll just look around in mail and LP, then.
[23:08] <knome> micahg, ?
[23:08] <micahg> knome: what?
[23:09] <knome> micahg, do you know how to revert the images-on-dark-bg feature on FF?
[23:09] <micahg> feature?
[23:09] <micahg> AIUI, it was a bug that was fixed
[23:09] <knome> well, they used to be shown on white bg
[23:10] <knome> i'm on oneiric
[23:10] <knome> am i missing something?
[23:11] <micahg> oh, right :)
[23:11] <knome> i understood it's a *feature* that's why said so... :)
[23:12]  * micahg thought you were referring to the thunderbird thing
[23:12] <knome> no, since when would FF started meaning TB?
[23:12] <knome> :)
[23:12] <micahg> since I appear to be half asleep :0
[23:13] <knome> heh
[23:13] <micahg> nope, doesn't appear to be a way at present
[23:14] <knome> fsst :<
[23:14] <knome> that's a really bad change, really..
[23:14] <knome> i am sure there is a bugreport for this though
[23:15] <knome> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997
[23:16] <micahg> knome: BTW, you're not the first person to complain about it, that was the bug that was fixed
[23:17] <knome> aha...
[23:17] <micahg> you can file a feature request to make it controllable and block that bug if you like
[23:18] <knome> "block" ?:)
[23:19] <micahg> there's a blocks field when you file a bug, it just means that if the blocked bug is backed out, then this should be too
[23:20] <knome> i both understand and don't :)
[23:26] <mr_pouit> *g*, it takes so much time to test bild artwork package because of optipng :<
[23:26] <knome> heh
[23:26] <mr_pouit> ochosi: gtk-scale? where do I test that?
[23:26] <knome> mr_pouit, are you uploading the greeter badge and the ligthdm logo? (:
[23:27] <mr_pouit> in a few minutes (when my test build ends)
[23:27] <ochosi> mr_pouit: e.g. in pavucontrol
[23:27] <ochosi> i don't know many other places
[23:27] <ochosi> especially for vertical scales, i don't know of any app that uses it (so it's untested)
[23:27] <mr_pouit> oh, ok, I'll try that tomorrow
[23:28] <ochosi> ty
[23:28] <mr_pouit> I guess I'll upload a new revision of shimmer-themes tomorrow evening
[23:28] <ochosi> have you by any chance tested the power-notifications?
[23:28] <mr_pouit> I didn't touch elementary-xfce recently :]
[23:28] <knome> mr_pouit, mmh, we got two days more time, so until thu
[23:29] <knome> debian-cd is fixed \o/
[23:29] <knome> ochosi, we should look into making our slideshow less tall for P+1...
[23:29] <knome> ochosi, it's not fitting notebooks currently
[23:30] <ochosi> meh
[23:30] <ochosi> ok
[23:30] <ochosi> or do a new on
[23:30] <ochosi> e
[23:30] <knome> ochosi, we *could* fix that for P already, but that would most probably mean smaller text size
[23:30] <knome> ochosi, or smaller screenshots...
[23:30] <ochosi> smaller font would be ok imo
[23:30] <ochosi> it's still far larger than most text on the screen, and people can read those things too
[23:31] <knome> how do you feel about the screenshots being cut from the bottom then?
[23:31] <knome> we need like 95px more space...
[23:31] <ochosi> wow, that's quite a bit
[23:31] <ochosi> how come?
[23:31] <knome> the height is 550 now
[23:31] <mr_pouit> astraljava: no critical crash that I'm aware of for xfce (but I didn't check recently reported private bugs, lp doesn't notify us about them...)
[23:31] <knome> plus, window borders, plus the progress bar
[23:33] <ochosi> mr_pouit: well yeah, but you still could've pulled the latest rev from git to your vm :}
[23:34] <ochosi> (just sayin ;) )
[23:35] <mr_pouit> you didn't ask, so I tried to be lazy ;>
[23:36] <ochosi> hehe
[23:36] <knome> hah
[23:37] <ochosi> what are the chances of a physical install of a daily 64bit image to be successful?
[23:37] <knome> 90%+ ?
[23:37] <ochosi> hm, sounds good enough
[23:37] <mr_pouit> unless ubiquity suddendly broke, 99% ? :P
[23:38] <ochosi> then i'll delete my testing-vm now and try that physical install
[23:38] <ochosi> far better for testing anyway
[23:38] <ochosi> swoosh, and it's gone
[23:40] <ochosi> hmm, downloading takes far longer...
[23:40] <knome> ha
[23:40] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'll go through the sound tests now, how long will you be available tonight?
[23:40] <ochosi> (i might need some guidance here or there)
[23:41] <mr_pouit> 5~10 minutes (waiting for xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 to show up on precise-changes@)
[23:41] <mr_pouit> after that I really need to sleep
[23:42] <ochosi> hmm, ok
[23:42] <ochosi> so just very quickly:
[23:42] <ochosi> first i'll test the mute-thing. but i'm sure unmute won't work
[23:42] <knome> ochosi, we'd need to redo the desktop-slide image
[23:42] <knome> ochosi, that doesn't really fit in...
[23:43] <mr_pouit> ochosi: with the (non-existing) default settings?
[23:43] <ochosi> then i try the proposed change from the bugreport (set xfce4-mixer active-card to pulseaudio)
[23:43] <mr_pouit> I guess it won't work, indeed
[23:43] <mr_pouit> yes
[23:43] <ochosi> then i check whether xfce4-mixer still works and whether it pops up notifications
[23:43] <ochosi> is that it, or shall i uninstall pulseaudio totally as well and see whether that solves anything? :)
[23:44] <mr_pouit> open xfce4-mixer > change the volume using media keys > check that xfce4-mixer reflects the change too
[23:44] <ochosi> mhm
[23:44] <mr_pouit> open xfce4-mixer > change the volume and check that a notification appears
[23:45] <mr_pouit> I guess if they both work as expected, that's perfect
[23:45] <ochosi> and if not?
[23:45] <mr_pouit> (I don't have pulseaudio on debian, and it solves everything :P)
[23:46] <ochosi> i was afraid that would solve everything..
[23:46] <mr_pouit> ochosi: if not, then gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio still sucks, and I'm not sure what's the right decision for precise :<
[23:46] <ochosi> it was an odd (and imo hasty and uninformed) decision of charlie to install that by default...
[23:47] <ochosi> mkay, live-stick is almost ready
[23:47] <mr_pouit> we don't install willingly pulseaudio by default
[23:47] <ochosi> in fact i could even test this in the live-environment
[23:48] <ochosi> we don't?
[23:48] <ochosi> i thought that was a conscious decision
[23:48] <ochosi> so what triggers that then?
[23:48] <mr_pouit> there's no "*pulse*" string in the seeds
[23:48] <mr_pouit> ubuntu uses pulseaudio by default, so something is pulling it for us too
[23:48] <ochosi> meh
[23:49] <ochosi> ok
[23:49] <ochosi> i see
[23:49] <knome> but pulseaudio isn't too bad nowadays, is it?
[23:49] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Ok, thanks!
[23:49] <ochosi> booting into live-system now, brb
[23:50] <mr_pouit> knome: xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 uploaded (lightdm + badge with the new logo)
[23:50] <knome> \o/
[23:51] <knome> that should be it for the logos
[23:52] <ochosi> back
[23:52] <mr_pouit> knome: pulse isn't too bad I think, but it doesn't interact well with xfce4-{mixer,volumed} right now
[23:53] <mr_pouit> ochosi: fyi, at least indicator-sound-gtk2 depends on pulseaudio
[23:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: if thats the only thing we could skip it imo
[23:54] <ochosi> but anyway...
[23:54] <ochosi> starting the sound-tests now
[23:54] <ochosi> (oh how i hate us kb-layout)
[23:55] <knome> heh
[23:56] <ochosi> ok, i need to install, otherwise i can't easily restart the session
[23:57]  * knome read "restart the simon"
[23:57] <ochosi> maybe/ubiquity isn't very pretty
[23:58] <knome> we might be okay with 470, if that's good for netbooks
[23:58]  * knome is getting somebody to test that