[00:01] After years of testing, and a few bug reports during the last couple of cycles, I think that Xubuntu Pangolin is shaping up to be the release which converts me over to a full time user. After this latest daily build finishes downloading I'll run it through the full suite of tests. [00:02] nonau: if you're already at it, would you mind testing the gtk-theme from git? [00:02] it's really easy, you can download a tarball from github and extract it to ~/.themes [00:02] then it should override the theme in /usr/share/themes [00:03] It'll be about 20 minutes before the iso finishes downloading (slow connection). After that I'll gladly test it on my netbook. [00:05] ok cool! [00:05] thanks [00:09] np [00:39] I'll have to install the beta and update instead. Daily didn't boot on my hardware. [00:39] oh, that sucks [00:51] And it seems the beta wont install either. It crashes for me whether I choose install Xubuntu or go to the live cd and choose to install. [00:52] I get "ubi-partman failed with exit code 141" [00:52] :/ [00:57] Have you tried booting it off a USB? [00:59] hi diarmuid :) [00:59] hello :D [00:59] you were quick to embrace my suggestion [01:00] Mailing list?? [01:00] yup [01:00] you can simply /wii $nickname to see the real-name of people here (in case they expose them) [01:02] Thats handy :) [01:02] depending on what client you use (i use irssi), there are also other, more GUI-oriented ways [01:03] With Xchat a simple right click on the name will tell you. [01:03] Yeah I'm using Xchat just noticed that I could do that. [01:04] And I figured my way around the error... remove windows. ^^ [01:05] hehe [01:06] windows don't like to be compatible with anything [01:07] just for reference, what's your timezones? [01:07] (mine is GMT+1) [01:08] GMT i think lol [01:08] its 1:08 [01:08] 1:08am [01:08] k, so you're in GMT [01:08] that's close enough [01:08] i guess we'll find time to meet :) [01:11] Yeah not to far your from central Europe then I take it? [01:12] austria [01:14] I'm from Ireland [01:14] good stuff :) [01:17] diarmuid: if you need guidance or help with anything feel free to ping me [01:22] ochosi: no problem thanks [01:33] What program do you use to do all your Xubuntu artwork? [01:35] gimp and inkscape mostly [01:35] Do you have your own website? [01:36] This is Diarmuid by the way [01:36] heh [01:36] yeah, i figured, same IP ;) [01:36] well, there's the shimmerproject.org [01:36] that's kinda the website for the themes i've been working on [01:37] but lately i mostly had time to take care of greybird [01:37] bognerdesigns.co.cc just a little portfolio I was putting together for web design [01:40] looks nice [01:41] Oh, if you guys ever happen to want a few wallpapers I have some nature shots that work great for that. Apologies for butting in. [01:41] Very standard have a lot to learn about designing website used photoshop mostly but I want to be able to design them using inkscape and gimp. [01:42] No problem nonau would make some great stock images also :) [01:42] knome: I have a beta2 draft in wordpress, so I figure we just add to that as the week goes on [01:44] nonau: sounds good, feel free to show them off [01:46] recommend a place to upload them? [01:47] photobucket.com isn't bad fits the purpose well. [01:48] or flickr [01:48] depending on what you wanna do with them (apart from showing them here) [01:51] k, i'm going to sleep [01:51] night everyone! [01:52] night [01:52] I'm heading to bed also [01:52] see you around [01:55] nonau: what are you using to make your ISOs, burning to CD? USB stick? [01:55] burn to cd [01:55] and same error for both? [01:57] no, on the current daily the CD wasn't recognized and was skipped. Not sure if it was the ISO or the CD though. [01:57] I'm wondering if there is a problem with the burn, I've had it happen if I burn too fast, all kinds of weird errors [01:58] did you run md5sum against the iso file? [01:58] most people never bother to unless there is a problem, but it's important for testing [01:59] No, I haven't. 9 times in 10 I don't because I generally don't have issues with them. [01:59] yeah :) [01:59] so you can run it against the .iso file, and then again against your cdrom after burning [01:59] md5sum file.iso [01:59] md5sum /dev/cdrom [01:59] or whatever the device is [01:59] err, sorry [01:59] second command is wrong, let me get the right one [02:00] (I have been using usb sticks for too long!) [02:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Manual_method [02:01] doh, that link fails [02:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD [02:02] and you want "Manual method" [02:03] 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 on the iso [02:04] 2c52467b183646617b987edd10d95178 *precise-desktop-i386.iso [02:04] via http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20120319.1/MD5SUMS [02:04] good :) [02:06] It was a failed burn. Feel like an idiot now. [02:06] don't feel bad, we've all been there :) [02:06] my best one was when I burned 10 CDs for a conference before realizing they were all bad (burning too fast) [02:07] took me like an hour [02:10] Oh wow, that sucks. [02:11] http://www.flickr.com/photos/76375303@N08/ <-- Starting to build up the collection of photos, all free to use as wallpapers. Just got to sift through the bad shots to find some good ones [02:31] After a full update the panel artifacts seem to be gone on my Eee PC [02:31] well that's good [02:32] further proves it's a finicky thing to pin down though [03:09] Another bug, likely pulse related. The mute function key will mute the audio just fine but using the key combo again won't unmute as on Windows. [03:10] ochosi: nonau replicated it ^^^ [03:10] I was trying to test that, but my laptop doesn't have a mute key :) [03:12] nonau: ochosi may have some things for you to try to fix that tomorrow when he's awake [03:13] Alright, can do. I still need to test the latest git version of the theme and report on that as well. [03:27] ochosi: Theme from master is working as expected so far. Ping me if you want anything in particular tested. [03:37] Another hotkey which locks the screen doesn't seem to do anything either. I know it triggers the screensaver in Gnome. [03:38] *function key [04:02] ochosi: Theme version from git causes white text in the gksu prompt instead of the black in previous versions. === Gryllida is now known as gry [08:27] pleia2: hmm, if you see nonau again (i think i won't be online tonight), please tell him i'm sorry i forgot to tell him he needs to test the gtk3.3 branch from github :/ [09:53] hmm [09:53] somebody online? [09:54] yup [09:54] but not for long [09:54] hey [09:54] can you quickly confirm that http://xubuntu.org/ doesn't have the new looks? [09:55] (it should, i got an email about that) [09:55] you mean new logo? [09:55] yes, and the new bg and all [09:55] still old [09:55] mmh [09:56] i'll poke IS [09:56] is the blog post for the new logo/branding ready? [09:57] i think i'll do some kind of artwork post as well [09:58] including the new lightdm-theme and new widget-theming in greybird (scale and spinbuttons etc.) [09:58] (hope i'll have time for that soon) [09:59] o/ [10:00] ochosi, i suppose it is :) [10:00] I fell asleep abruptly last night, so didn't test the live-cd yet, but then again Lionel reported having tested it, so I don't imagine it being a huge problem, no? [10:00] nope [10:18] fyi, I haven't included the new logo in lightdm yet (nor the unity-greeter xubuntu badge) [10:22] mmkay [10:27] mr_pouit: feel free to ping me whenever you've tested greybird-git in your vm [10:29] I've already two vms started to test 10.04 and 11.10 upgrades, plus some tests running for my work, so my system is dying right now :> [10:29] (I'll test greybird this afternoon) [10:30] whoa :) [10:30] sure, i probably won't be online much, have an important presentation later today [10:30] but i'll read the backlog as always [10:30] mr_pouit, you've got a cc of a mail asking for more time for #955396 [10:33] k, see y'all later [10:33] knome: yep, I just read it [10:36] see you ochosi [11:02] Good morning everyone [11:06] hey bogner17 [11:10] What is everyone up to? [11:12] * knome is updating the new logo for debian-cd [11:12] and trying to get extended time for our UIFe (ui freeze exception) [11:13] bogner17, did you read the xubuntu team description in LP? [11:15] Okay well I will let you guys know a little more about my skill set they and I suppose you could give me some advice on what area's I could help with Xubuntu? [11:15] sure :) [11:18] Well I'm 19 years old and I live in Ireland not to sure if thats important :D. I have quite a lot of experience using Adobe Photoshop packages I have been using it since I was 12 years old. I am developing these skills into GIMP and Inkscape now. I also have web design skills I have created and administrated several sites over the years. I go to a Technical College and I study ICT (software development) the only programming w [11:18] (you got cut at: the only programming w ...) [11:19] I am currently learning python and XHTML5 and I want to maybe start doing some programming using it to help develop Xubuntu. So not only will I be able to code but I will also be able to make beautiful GUI's for my programs. [11:19] we do is visual basic ewwh :(. [11:20] heh, right [11:20] thats after the programming knome [11:20] You do Visual Basic after the programming. Yeah, that actually makes perfect sense. :) [11:21] bogner17, nvm astraljava, he's a bit weird.;) [11:21] I've said it before, but I acknowledge I must repeat myself often around here. I may be weird, but at least I'm not weird. [11:22] *blink* [11:22] *blink* *blink* [11:22] Well thats what our college teaches astraljava next year at University I will be learning java, C++ and C#. [11:22] ...I'll get me coat. [11:22] bogner17: Oh okay, I missed the context, sorry. [11:23] ahahh [11:23] No problem no offence taken astraljava [11:23] :)= [11:23] bogner17, i suppose mr_pouit and micahg would be really happy with help on the actual development [11:24] that includes packaging and bugfixes and... all kinds of stuff [11:24] bogner17: A hint from a veteran in the field; there's already a number so huge of java developers, I would concentrate on C[++|#], it's quite easy to jump into java if you nail those first. [11:24] C++ just refuses to die, it seems. [11:24] ...which is nice, for me. [11:24] :P [11:25] What about coding python but implementing C++ into codes where needed? [11:25] bogner17: That's actually what I've been doing for the past 3 years now. [11:25] astraljava: so would it not be better to focus on python first and foremost? [11:25] Using python when applicable (test automation framework, for instance), and writing apps with Qt/C++. [11:26] bogner17: Not really, but it's essential to keep it on the side. [11:26] So basically you can make like a prototype of the app in python before coding in C++? [11:26] Python is very easy to get into, although that doesn't mean that's all there is to it. [11:27] bogner17: No, I would not do that. Stick to a language, but make good decisions on which part of the system you implement in which language. [11:28] bogner17: Of course, if you absolutely must have some proof-of-concept in 5 minutes, then do that in the language you know best. [11:28] But stop going further than absolutely necessary before making a thorough analysis on which language would suit the job best. [11:29] Well I'm going to get stuck into some C++ tutorials today get some books printed off do something productive with my day. Do any off you have any good resources? [11:29] Of course, this applies to professional jobs only. If you want to learn a new language while implementing a new system, and you have time for that, then by all means, that's the best way to get that knowledge. [11:30] But there are still some things all languages/frameworks can't do. [11:30] This is especially true on real-time stuff. [11:31] ..and other similar stuff. [11:31] Yeah I kind of understand I suppose this will all make better sense when I learn some more. [11:31] But I digress now, and will leave the arena to more on-topic conversation. :) [11:32] :) [11:34] bogner17, if you can, the best way to get hold of things is to hang around this chanenl [11:34] *channel [11:34] communication will mostly happen here (and the mailing list) [11:34] Yeah I am faster than mailing lists [11:35] knome: ...and the forums? *evil grin* [11:35] * knome (gently) kicks astraljava in the knee [11:35] Bah! Just as I was about to go cycling. [11:36] What would be the best IDE for writing lines of C++ [11:38] I'll be back in 5mins need to go onto my own computer this computer I'm currently on is Windows.... [11:42] Back [11:44] So what would be the recommended way for me to begin my studies? [11:45] bogner17_: I've rather liked Qt Creator, but there are so many of them, and it's such a matter of personal preference. Some prefer regular text editors with syntax highlighting, some want more sophisticated features. Try Anjuta and Eclipse CDT. [11:47] bogner17_: re: C++, if you have a linked account, I suggest you joining the C++ Developers Group, it's got plenty of interesting conversation on best practices and stuff. Obviously there are actual mailing lists and newsgroups on the topic, too. [11:48] How do I go about joining them? [11:50] astraljava, s/linked/linkedin/ ? [11:50] mr_pouit, you can go ahead with the lightdm logo and greeter badges. :) [11:51] knome: Thanks. [11:51] np [11:51] :) [11:54] bogner17_: comp.lang.c++ and comp.lang.c++.moderated are the standards for newsgroups, for other great resources, have a look at http://www.robertnz.net/cpp_site.html [11:56] * knome is off for a while [11:56] bogner17_, great to hear you are interested in the xubuntu development :) [11:57] bogner17_, i'm sure you will both learn and gain a lot, if you have the persistence to get in open source development, whatever the project :) [11:57] see you later [12:06] See you later thanks knome :) [13:20] ochosi: nice, the fix for the comboboxes and the spinbuttons is workign [15:33] https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/trunk/+pots/lightdm-gtk-greeter (almost all green \o/) [15:33] (exported oneiric lightdm translations from lp and reimported them for precise lightdm-gtk-greeter :) [15:33] heh, nice [15:34] btw, our branch to upload new logo to debian-cd got accepted [15:34] what? there is no LATIN translation for the greeter? schuss [15:41] Probably no taushiro, neither. [15:42] knome: I made a few small changes on the Xubuntu/Testing page, and sent a draft of the testing blog post over to Charlie for review, once he's done I'll send it to you, then we can toss it up to xubuntu.org [15:42] pleia2, okay, did you notice we had a beta 2 announcement already? [15:43] pleia2, it's bundled with the new branding post [15:43] knome: oh, no :) [15:43] you can just move my items then [15:43] ;) [15:43] i did already [15:43] thanks [15:43] i also updated the marketing page [15:44] ok [15:45] (all new logos and microbuttons!!) [15:49] anyway, i'm off again for now [15:49] pleia2, thanks for handling the testing blog article on your trip :) [15:49] sure :) [15:49] it's all you guys who get to have fun with new testers I'm telling to join here ;) [15:53] Heheh. :) [18:36] astraljava, http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/Tutkimus+Koirat+hermostuvat+hevimusiikista/a1305558207724 [19:00] Heheh. Didn't see that from my dogs, but I suppose it's possible. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:47] ochosi: The ruler in Abiword goes from grey to black with theme from git as well. [21:04] Hello folks [21:29] nonau: the ruler in abiword is broken, it's not greybird's fault [21:30] nonau: unfortunately it's known, it's an unstable version of abiword... [21:31] which is again unfortunate [21:31] mr_pouit: what about the gtk-scale? [21:31] micahg: +1 [21:32] there's a new snapshot in Debian, I can backport it if people want to test it [21:34] of abiword? [21:34] yeah [21:35] derr [21:36] the logo in xubuntu.org is for some really weird reason not aligned. [21:36] i am *sure* i checked that [21:36] micahg: yeah, could be worth a try [21:36] pleia2, you here? [21:36] ochosi: ok, once a test build completes, I'll backport to my PPA [21:37] micahg: cool! [21:37] leo-unglaub: hey there, how's it goin? still busy as ... ? [21:37] as hell....sadly yes [21:37] huge project deadline moves... [21:37] and i am the guy who has to fix is [21:37] ... [21:37] wow ok [21:38] knome: not for long [21:38] ooh pretty [21:38] right [21:39] pleia2, do you think it's okay to wait with the branding article until b2? [21:39] pleia2, also, what do you want to do with the pingbacks? [21:39] yeah I think that's fine [21:39] we should disable pingbacks [21:39] that's not possible... [21:39] at least not trivially [21:39] pingbacks are in a way interesting [21:39] they could lead us to "xubuntu in the press" -stuff [21:40] it would be great to gather them to one place though [21:40] that would be possible with a template in the theme [21:40] (find any pingbacks on any post, and order by date, and for example, show 20 newest) [21:40] ah [21:40] hmm [21:41] bah, we could even make that a shortcode so we could use that on the "press" frontpage [21:41] that's more/as trivial than disabling pingbacks [21:41] *than/as :) [21:41] :) [21:42] otoh, looks like some of the pingbacks aren't so interesting [21:42] so that would need some work when approving/deleting [21:42] but i don't think that's a problem, since there is really no rush in approving those, just do it when you log in :) [21:44] are you talking about http://xubuntu.org/ ? [21:44] leo-unglaub, y [21:46] i will look into it now, probably quickly write a mockup to start building on [21:47] * pleia2 train [21:48] pleia2, see you later, and keep on having fun [21:49] ochosi: abiword snapshot uploaded to ppa:micahg/ppa, should build in ~1hr [21:49] if this fixes enough issues, I'll take care of shepherding it into precise [21:50] :) [21:54] mr_pouit, ? [22:00] ochosi: Understood about the Abiword issue. As for the password prompt having white text, what reason is there for that? [22:06] micahg: sweet, i'll check it out (tomorrow) [22:06] nonau: hm, i didn't read that before, what password prompt? [22:15] Hello, I wish to report a problem with alacarte menu editor, which is part of Xubuntu 12.04 [22:15] It's untranslatable, just like lightdm-gtk-greeter was (until mr_pouit fixed it at Launchpad) [22:16] Pjotr: things in universe aren't translatable in launchpad [22:16] so, that's the case with most of the xubuntu packages [22:17] OK.... where can I translate it then? Not in the Xfce project, of which I'm a translator as well... [22:18] Pjotr, upstream [22:19] googled it, but can't find it.... [22:19] ochosi: The gksu? prompt before launching synaptic. [22:20] Pjotr: I think alacarte is part of GNOME [22:20] nonau: aha. were you using the gtk3.3 branch? [22:20] micahg, it is [22:20] nonau: (i think i forgot to tell you that..) [22:21] ochosi: I simply downloaded the tarball of the master git. I don't recall anything about you mentioning gtk 3.3. [22:22] nonau: oh, sorry then. master doesn't work well in precise. there were quite a few not-backward compatible changes in gtk3.3, so i created a separate branch for that in github [22:23] micahg: OK, I'll see what I can do then.... Thanks for the info. [22:25] ochosi: Where do I download this gtk 3.3 branch then? [22:27] nonau: i think this should work: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tarball/gtk3.3 [22:30] ochosi: Thank you. gksu and the grey rulers are back thanks to that. :) [22:31] Now if I could remember how to make Synaptic use newly downloaded themes... [22:32] sudo rm -r /usr/share/themes/Greybird && sudo mv Greybird /usr/share/themes ;) [22:34] thank you [22:34] np [22:46] knome: I'm a little behind on bugs, are there some critical or high importance ones that needed some love but aren't getting any? [22:46] i don't know of any concerning xubuntu, but you might want to check with micahg or mr_pouit [22:47] no idea, I have enough of my own bugs ATM :) [22:47] Heheh. :) [22:47] there's probably nothing too critical [22:47] Ok, I'll just look around in mail and LP, then. [23:08] micahg, ? [23:08] knome: what? [23:09] micahg, do you know how to revert the images-on-dark-bg feature on FF? [23:09] feature? [23:09] AIUI, it was a bug that was fixed [23:09] well, they used to be shown on white bg [23:10] i'm on oneiric [23:10] am i missing something? [23:11] oh, right :) [23:11] i understood it's a *feature* that's why said so... :) [23:12] * micahg thought you were referring to the thunderbird thing [23:12] no, since when would FF started meaning TB? [23:12] :) [23:12] since I appear to be half asleep :0 [23:13] heh [23:13] nope, doesn't appear to be a way at present [23:14] fsst :< [23:14] that's a really bad change, really.. [23:14] i am sure there is a bugreport for this though [23:15] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376997 [23:15] Mozilla bug 376997 in Layout "Render standalone images against a dark gray background" [Enhancement,Verified: fixed] [23:16] knome: BTW, you're not the first person to complain about it, that was the bug that was fixed [23:17] aha... [23:17] you can file a feature request to make it controllable and block that bug if you like [23:18] "block" ?:) [23:19] there's a blocks field when you file a bug, it just means that if the blocked bug is backed out, then this should be too [23:20] i both understand and don't :) [23:26] *g*, it takes so much time to test bild artwork package because of optipng :< [23:26] heh [23:26] ochosi: gtk-scale? where do I test that? [23:26] mr_pouit, are you uploading the greeter badge and the ligthdm logo? (: [23:27] in a few minutes (when my test build ends) [23:27] mr_pouit: e.g. in pavucontrol [23:27] i don't know many other places [23:27] especially for vertical scales, i don't know of any app that uses it (so it's untested) [23:27] oh, ok, I'll try that tomorrow [23:28] ty [23:28] I guess I'll upload a new revision of shimmer-themes tomorrow evening [23:28] have you by any chance tested the power-notifications? [23:28] I didn't touch elementary-xfce recently :] [23:28] mr_pouit, mmh, we got two days more time, so until thu [23:29] debian-cd is fixed \o/ [23:29] ochosi, we should look into making our slideshow less tall for P+1... [23:29] ochosi, it's not fitting notebooks currently [23:30] meh [23:30] ok [23:30] or do a new on [23:30] e [23:30] ochosi, we *could* fix that for P already, but that would most probably mean smaller text size [23:30] ochosi, or smaller screenshots... [23:30] smaller font would be ok imo [23:30] it's still far larger than most text on the screen, and people can read those things too [23:31] how do you feel about the screenshots being cut from the bottom then? [23:31] we need like 95px more space... [23:31] wow, that's quite a bit [23:31] how come? [23:31] the height is 550 now [23:31] astraljava: no critical crash that I'm aware of for xfce (but I didn't check recently reported private bugs, lp doesn't notify us about them...) [23:31] plus, window borders, plus the progress bar [23:33] mr_pouit: well yeah, but you still could've pulled the latest rev from git to your vm :} [23:34] (just sayin ;) ) [23:35] you didn't ask, so I tried to be lazy ;> [23:36] hehe [23:36] hah [23:37] what are the chances of a physical install of a daily 64bit image to be successful? [23:37] 90%+ ? [23:37] hm, sounds good enough [23:37] unless ubiquity suddendly broke, 99% ? :P [23:38] then i'll delete my testing-vm now and try that physical install [23:38] far better for testing anyway [23:38] swoosh, and it's gone [23:40] hmm, downloading takes far longer... [23:40] ha [23:40] mr_pouit: i'll go through the sound tests now, how long will you be available tonight? [23:40] (i might need some guidance here or there) [23:41] 5~10 minutes (waiting for xubuntu-artwork 12.04.5 to show up on precise-changes@) [23:41] after that I really need to sleep [23:42] hmm, ok [23:42] so just very quickly: [23:42]