[00:14] <streetfighter> salut
[00:15] <KarmaComa> Hello, Kubuntu 12.04, ATI HD 5570, HD monitor plugged through HDMI, turns off after 1 minute, i turned screensaver off and edited the power manager but nothing.
[01:34] <JMichaelX> KDE needs a better world clock widget than the marble one
[01:37] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, Sounds like a chance to pimp QML
[01:37] <JMichaelX> yep, i'm contemplating that
[01:38] <Daskreech> How many cities do you need?
[01:38] <JMichaelX> 3 or 4
[01:39] <JMichaelX> btw, marble itself is awesome
[01:40] <Daskreech> Yeah I've never seen one that continues to be useful after the 6th city
[01:40] <Daskreech> Isn't it?
[01:40] <JMichaelX> very
[01:40] <Daskreech> It got featured on a TV show here as a technology segment
[01:40] <Daskreech> (Well I was doing the presentation)
[01:41] <Daskreech> and it just so happened that we had a hurricane coming at the country. So we opened it up and swooshed it around and showed off the zoom and the country
[01:41] <JMichaelX> i used to use an opera world clock widget that i liked, but i shy away from proprietary software now more than i used to
[01:41] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: sweet
[01:42] <Daskreech> The presenter made some comments directly into the camera and turned back and said Oh look it has clouds too
[01:42] <JMichaelX> was this public access?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Wait. are those animated... wait is that live? That looks like the hurricane that was on the weather?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Yep
[01:42] <Daskreech> It's live weather
[01:42] <Daskreech>  Then we dropped it back onto being the wallpaper while we did the rest of the presentation
[01:43] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: it would be awesome if that show/segment were available to download
[01:43] <JMichaelX> very cool
[01:43] <Daskreech> It was funny watching him go speechless under the layers of awesome he just saw from one application
[01:43] <JMichaelX> from an OS world that was possibly pretty obscure to him
[01:44] <Daskreech> an OS world?
[01:44] <JMichaelX> the world of GNU/FOSS
[01:45] <Daskreech> Well he asked us to come on to speak about Linux for 15 minutes
[01:45] <ybit> really, the last time i say this on #kubuntu
[01:45] <JMichaelX> ok
[01:45] <Daskreech> So we blinged out a MacBook with Kubuntu
[01:45] <ybit> #kde-usa if you are located in the states, time to organize! :)
[01:46] <Daskreech> !ca
[01:46] <ybit> :)
[01:46] <ybit> very nice
[01:46] <Daskreech> ybit, Would you like to be part of the KDE USA collective?
[01:46] <Daskreech> Well NA
[01:46] <ybit> there's a collective i'm unaware?
[01:46] <ybit> of*
[01:46] <Daskreech> ybit, There is
[01:46] <ybit> you betcha
[01:46] <ybit> isn't jeff over that?
[01:47] <JMichaelX> does said collective live communally?
[01:47] <JMichaelX> by any chance
[01:47] <ybit> i'm not opposed to that
[01:47] <JMichaelX> lol
[01:47] <ybit> if it's in opensourceecology.org style
[01:48] <JMichaelX> i'd never seen that site before, ty
[01:54] <Daskreech> ybit, you mean jefferai?
[01:55] <ybit> Daskreech: yep
[01:55] <Daskreech> Yeah I guess he's part of the core :)
[01:58] <ybit> Daskreech: okay, let him know i'm interested in the NA collecteive for me :P
[01:58] <Daskreech> ybit, You cna just sign up
[02:00] <Daskreech> Moment let me get the links
[02:15] <Daskreech> ybit, Bah I can't find the link right now but you can sign up https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/campkde-participants to get in touch
[02:17] <ybit> Daskreech: camp kde is dead now, right?
[02:17] <Daskreech> ybit, Ha umm. lets say it's transmorgified
[02:17] <Daskreech> It's become smaller and more portable
[02:18] <ybit> 11:34 < Mek> lfnw? (and wasn't camp kde abandoned for smaller more local kde things co-hosted with other events, like kde cascadia co-hosted with lfnw?)
[02:18] <ybit> transmorgified... :)
[02:18] <ybit> i don't understand, but okay
[02:18] <Daskreech> Right. So the smaller more local things are the KDE camps
[02:18]  * ybit is wondering how many devs there are in the NA and how many would be willing to get together for a sprint
[02:18] <Daskreech> (Camp KDE It's portable! Get it?)
[02:19] <ybit> i would get it if the name was Tent KDE
[02:19] <Daskreech> the singular KDE event will be readjusted to fit better with KDE and with NA
[02:19] <Daskreech> Camps are not normally meant to be permanent :)
[02:20] <Daskreech> ybit, A fair number. The getting together part is harder and that's why we need some more hands on board to help organize
[02:20] <ybit> that's the idea...
[02:20] <ybit> it's why i keep spamming in here looking for people in the states
[02:21] <ybit> at one point there were ~15 idling in #kde-usa
[02:21] <ybit> i know there's more than 15 US kde users :)
[02:21] <ybit> i'm a bit more unsure about the number of devs
[02:22] <Daskreech> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa
[02:22] <Daskreech> :-p
[02:23] <Daskreech> Well users become devs :)
[02:27] <uberdub> Im loyal a kde user. Quite a few years now. :)
[02:27] <Daskreech> HI Loyal. I'm Hungry
[02:28] <Daskreech> ;-)
[02:28] <uberdub> lol. Didnt know you could eat bytes.
[02:28] <Daskreech> Welcome to KDE!
[02:28] <uberdub> KDE rawks dude.
[02:28] <uberdub> Ive tried gnome, and xfce, etc....meh KDE rulez!
[02:32] <kazagistar> I just installed kubuntu desktop in ubuntu, but my sound control is not working
[02:38] <Daskreech> kazagistar, anything beyond "not working" ?
[02:38] <ybit> re: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/campkde-participants/
[02:38] <ybit> hah!
[02:38] <ybit> last activity: January 2009 :(
[02:39] <ybit> uberdub: where are you from? :)
[02:39] <uberdub> Currently Phoenix
[02:47] <Daskreech> kazagistar, there?
[02:47] <kazagistar> Daskreech: yeah, sorry
[02:47] <kazagistar> Daskreech: the sound is working, but I cant change volume
[02:48] <kazagistar> Daskreech: when I try, it shows volume change, but nothing happens
[02:48] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Can you open your mixer from kmix?
[02:48] <kazagistar> k, I opened kmix
[02:49] <kazagistar> oh, I see, if I change the OTHER bar in kmix, I can alter volume
[02:50] <kazagistar> but the default one that is changed by keybinds and the overlay does nothing
[02:51] <almoxarife> kazagistar: is the 'default' the 'master' slide?
[03:09] <Daskreech> kazagistar, you can change the default to which ever one you would like
[03:09] <Daskreech> If you haven't already
[03:12] <kazagistar> I cant see a default selection
[03:15] <Daskreech> It's umm in one of the top level menus I think
[03:17] <kazagistar> thanks bro
[03:19] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Got it?
[03:19] <kazagistar> Daskreech: yep
[03:19] <Daskreech> kazagistar, Great :)
[08:12] <pawleeq> Hello
[08:18] <Daskreech> hi
[08:23] <pawleeq> I have Genius MousePen 8x6, which was working pretty well, but after some updates (i havent been using it for a few weeks) it dos not work at all and it is not event listed in lsusb output, any clue pls?
[08:37] <Daskreech> pawleeq, not worknig at all means not moving the cursour?
[08:39] <pawleeq> Daskreech: yes
[08:40] <pawleeq> Daskreech: although the tablet itself seems to work fine, the green light turn on, when pen touches the pad...
[08:47] <Daskreech> pawleeq, Hmm nothing at all when you plug it in?
[08:47] <pawleeq> Daskreech: noe
[08:47] <pawleeq> nope
[08:50] <Daskreech> pawleeq, were you monitoring udev when you plugged it in
[08:51] <pawleeq> no, how do I do that?
[08:56] <pawleeq> Daskreech: I run "sudo udevadm monitor" and plug the tablet in and out several times, but it does not print anything at all
[08:56] <pawleeq> (it does when I try it woth anoher USB devices)
[08:57] <Daskreech> Oh
[08:57] <Daskreech> hmm
[08:57] <Daskreech> You did an upgrade you said?
[09:12] <pnunn> Has anyone out here managed to get find in message working in this steaming piece of crap called kmail2?  I can't get it to find anything.
[09:30] <Tm_T> pnunn: I would kindly ask you to be more respective with your choice of words (;
[09:31] <pnunn> Belive me Tm_T that is respectful.. this is the WORST piece of software ever attempted on man (makes M$ look good).
[09:31] <Tm_T> pnunn: as you wish
[09:35] <gotzone> g01972
[09:40] <pnunn> Is anyone else even using kmail any more?
[09:46] <Tm_T> I am, daily
[09:49] <pnunn> Tm_T do you have it going offline constantly? Forgetting the stored passwords for SMTP servers? Not being able to search an email?
[09:55] <Tm_T> pnunn: none of those problems
[10:13] <pnunn> Tim_T are you using IMAP?
[10:27] <Tm_T> pnunn: who is Tim? (: (and yes, I do use IMAP, with D actually)
[10:30] <Spartan29> hello folk!
[10:43] <pnunn> lol sorry Tm_T my mistake.. how about google? Anything there?
[10:46] <Tm_T> pnunn: yes, I use google's imap (too)
[10:47] <pnunn> Tm_T I don't get it. I've struggeld with this on two different distros now (Mageia and now Kubuntu) in both cases Kmail2 has been the worst part of the systems and I'm still having issues where I have to restart akonadi many many times a day.
[10:48] <pnunn> I'm using imapd to a courier mail server, google for contacts and calendar..
[10:48] <Tm_T> all works just fine here
[10:48] <pnunn> I'm really pleased for you (but sad for me.. lol).
[11:07] <Spartan29> Since last week when i updated kde via PPA to 4.8.1 i see that some effects doesen't work anymore, i.e. when i click shut (this effect is checked and enabled in desktop effects) the desktop don't fade to desaturize.... Anyone knows why?
[11:20] <bunz> I've been having problems with updating my system over a satellite link. I seems that most of the repos don't play too sell with high latency connections . Can anyone suggest one that work OK with satellite? It's been suggested to me that there are a few.
[11:42] <john> Hello
[11:43] <john> I am using Kubuntu 11.10 and added the PPA of Kubuntu 4.8
[11:43] <john> Now when I start dolphin, I see this error:
[11:43] <john> dolphin: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libdolphinprivate.so.4: cannot read file data: Error 21
[11:43] <john> seems new, theere is no reference on google of this error
[12:22] <mischasworld> hello
[12:22] <falstaf> Hello
[12:22] <mischasworld> I recently updated to precise kubuntu beta, suspend to ram via settings in kde settings is not working, if i call pm-suspend via sudo its working any iedas to fix this?
[12:23] <hateball> mischasworld: I'd ask in #kubuntu+1
[12:23] <mischasworld> thanks
[12:25] <almoxarife> mischasworld: I have sort of the same problem, I can suspend, can't hibernate
[12:26] <mischasworld> almoxarife: i moved to my question to #ubuntu+1 perhaps we can solve it there
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:11] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: ping
[14:41] <georgelappies___> hi all, where can I get a list comparing the changes in kubuntu 11.10 to kubuntu 12.04?
[14:44] <genii-around> georgelappies___: There is no such comparison list as such.
[14:46] <genii-around> georgelappies___: However, you can find all the changes made in 12.04 at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Precise-changes ( at the top is a link to all the prior postings )
[14:47] <pawelero> hi, I just read this blog post: http://blogs.kde.org/node/4547
[14:48] <Riddell> pawelero: nice to have a reader :)
[14:48] <pawelero> it will be great if Kubuntu will get different name, it's the best distribution I've ever used and I want it to be as revelance as possible :)
[14:48] <Riddell> suggestions welcome
[14:49] <pawelero> Riddell: I bet there are many more readers, but only KDE contributors can make comments on that blog
[14:49] <genii-around> K-Ultra
[14:50] <Riddell> pawelero: it accepts open ID so anything with a launchpad or google or yahoo account can
[14:50] <BluesKaj> those dumb names are the only drawback...why choose obscure animals ..i don't get it
[14:50] <pawelero> maybe some topic at kubuntu forums about the new name and then make some poll?
[14:50] <pawelero> Riddell: thanks, I'll remember that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> precise pangolin ...really how can a pangolin be 'precise"..precise about what ? :)
[14:52] <pawelero> BluesKaj: it's not that bad, ever heard of Beffy miracle? ;)
[14:52] <DarthFrog> What's obscure about a pangolin?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> pawelero,  nope and I really don't care :)
[14:53] <pawelero> beefy*
[14:53] <genii-around> Riddell: Are there any articles as to Canonical's reasoning?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog,  we obviously have different inrerests , lets leave it at that :)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> err  interests :)
[14:55] <Riddell> genii-around: nope although this has a simplied fragment of conversation http://ploum.net/post/what-if-ubuntu-were-right
[14:55] <DarthFrog> The next letter is Q.  The Quiet Quagga? The Quixotic something or other?
[14:56] <genii-around> Riddell: Thanks !
[15:01] <genii-around> Now I have a lot of questions to ask about this and no idea where to go for answers. Bleh
[15:04] <genii-around> Riddell: Would kubuntu-users mailing list be the appropriate place to keep posted as whats happening with this issue?
[15:04] <Riddell> genii-around: probably not, I don't read that much
[15:05] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel probably better
[15:05] <BluesKaj> well stuff to do for a couple hrs, BBL
[15:06] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, BluesKaj
[15:07] <LINKSWORD2> Or can I just call ya Blue? :P
[15:07] <LINKSWORD2> Darkwing: Long time, no see.
[15:09] <genii-around> Riddell: Ok, thanks. Sorry to be a pest. I'd have carried on the conversation in -offopic if you were in there :)
[15:10] <LINKSWORD2> Hello, claydoh
[15:12] <LINKSWORD2> Well, shoot. I know a lot of you. BluesKaj, claydoh, Cueball, Darkwing, eristikophiles... Hello to you all.
[15:12] <LINKSWORD2> If I forgot any of you, it's because there's a LONG list of people in here.
[15:18] <pawelero> when comes to a new name I'd vote for KDE OS ;)
[15:20] <Riddell> pawelero: that would be nice but large parts of KDE would get annoyed
[15:21] <LINKSWORD2> Plus, Kubuntu is still based off of Ubuntu as the root platform...
[15:21] <LINKSWORD2> In fact, Kubuntu is *K*de-Ubuntu.
[15:21] <pawelero> Riddell: I know, some people from OpenSUSE will be angry ;)
[15:21] <pawelero> so maybe Ubuntu KDE?
[15:22] <LINKSWORD2> That's pointless, because it comes back to saying the same thing.
[15:22] <LINKSWORD2> And as annoying as this may sound, this side of the conversation is better done in #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:23] <pawelero> LINKSWORD2: but it will give many more results in google when you type Ubuntu :)
[15:23] <LINKSWORD2> pawelero: Surprisingly, you get just as many for Kubuntu.
[15:23] <LINKSWORD2> Now, again. #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:24] <genii-around> LINKSWORD2: I do agree that it is not strictly a support conversation
[15:24] <Riddell> pawelero: that name has two trademarks in it
[15:25] <LINKSWORD2> Riddell: Not to be a thorn in the side, but this is more of an off-topic conversation. #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:27] <ikonia> Riddell: very very well written post
[15:27] <ikonia> Riddell: (as in blog post)
[15:27] <orated> Hi! Kubuntu 11.10 KDE 4.8.1. I still face issues with dolphin when the network connection for ssh/nfs/nas is closed. When the server system is shut down, then the file manager with which it was accessed hangs. I came for the same issue probably a month ago and was suggested to upgrade to 4.8.1. It sill fails... can anyone guide me how to fix it?
[15:36] <genii-around> orated: Have you searched on Launchpad for bug reports with the same symptoms, or reported this as a bug there?
[15:37] <orated> killing PID for dolphin helped a little. Now, if I open it from terminal - http://pastebin.com/YWkeJvac and PrntScr cannot save the file to be uploaded but its all grey with a black  strip at top
[15:37] <orated> no, not yet
[15:37] <orated> I'm trying to understand the reason why its happening first
[15:37] <orated> Its very likely related to Networks option in Dolphin
[15:44] <orated> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=97463
[16:12] <kbroulik> is there a way to resolve depenendy issues? it spits out like 10 packages that cannot be installed because of that :( one package requires a newer version but an older one is installed, and that older version needs a newer one … a great cycle
[16:20] <fdoving> kbroulik: can you pastebin the error?
[16:20] <kbroulik> sure. but it is in german :)
[16:20] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444104
[16:21] <georgelappies___> genii-around: Thank you :)
[16:23] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'sudo apt-get -f install' suggest?
[16:23] <fdoving> kbroulik: did you add any new repositories lately?
[16:23] <kbroulik> fdoving: I already tried that it fails with a lot of missing dependendies as well
[16:24] <kbroulik> fdoving: I guess I did a few weeks ago, and I also have that problem for weeks now but I just left it but now I want to install a new package and it wouldnt let me
[16:26] <fdoving> kbroulik: can you pastebin the result from 'sudo apt-get -f install' ?
[16:27] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444122 here you go :)
[16:33] <kbroulik> re
[16:33] <Roasted> hi, kind of a dumb question. In Ubuntu, there's Startup Applications. Is that a Gnome thing, or an Ubuntu thing? I'm curious if it exists in KDE land as well.
[16:36] <kbroulik> Roasted: Startup APplications?
[16:36] <kbroulik> you mean, a frontend to configure which programs/services should be started automatically?
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, yes
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, I have it here but I'm on regular Ubuntu/Gnome Shell. I wasn'ts ure if tha was a Gnome thing or not.
[16:36] <kbroulik> Roasted: in KDE this is System Settings → Startup & Shutdown (or so) → Autostart
[16:36] <Roasted> kbroulik, ah, so it's not DE specific.
[16:37] <kbroulik> the thing I pointed to is a KDE-own thing, it's not the exact thing you talk about :)
[16:37] <Roasted> thanks much kbroulik :)
[16:37] <Roasted> oh?
[16:37] <kbroulik> i.e. it is not shared between DE but KDE has a similar thing
[16:37] <Roasted> ahh okay
[16:37] <Roasted> so it's not identical, but it's pretty much thesamedarnthing ??
[16:37] <kbroulik> I don't know that "Startup Applications" :) but I guess both manage services and applications that autostart? ^^
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, pretty much. On Ubuntu, I have an rsync command in startup applications, because you can put in your own command.
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, that way it runs when I log in and my home dir syncs to file server over ssh. It's beautiful.
[16:38] <kbroulik> you can do that as well on KDE
[16:38] <Roasted> kbroulik, perfect!
[16:38] <Roasted> thanks much
[16:38] <yofel> Startup Applications is a gnome thing, they just mesh applications and services into the same UI
[16:39] <Roasted> I fired up a google image search of the kde startup apps, looks relatively similar
[16:39] <Roasted> same idea/principle at least.
[16:39] <Roasted> (still waiting for the ISO to complete)
[16:39] <yofel> and while the UI is different, you're configuring mostly the same thing in KDE too
[16:39] <Roasted> nice
[16:39] <Roasted> now, that makes me wonder if LXDE has it, as that'll be another box on my LAN... time for the magical Google...
[16:39] <kbroulik> yeah I guess those .desktop files are placed in XDG spots and so you actually edit the same exact files :)
[16:40] <Roasted> last post @ Dec 2010 suggests they may have it too - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=111
[16:40] <Roasted> nice
[16:40] <Roasted> thanks fellas
[16:42] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'apt-cache policy lib32gcc1' return? - pastebin please.
[16:44] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444164
[16:51] <fdoving> kbroulik: what if you try: 'sudo aptitude remove cpp cpp-4.6 g++ g++-4.6 gcc gcc-4.6 gtk2-engines-pixbuf lib32asound2 lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6 libc6-dbg libc6-i386 libgail-common libgfortran3 libquadmath0 libstdc++6-4.6-dev'
[16:51] <fdoving> kbroulik: does it suggest to remove any other packages that the ones listed?
[16:52] <fdoving> s/that/than/
[16:52] <kbroulik> I dont have aptitude installed :) and it wouldnt let me
[16:52] <kbroulik> but apt-get should be fine?
[16:54] <kbroulik> fdoving: then it claims that arduino-core, dkms, g++, gtk2-engines-pixbuf, lib32nss-mdns, lib32z1, libgail-common:i386, libidl-common, liblapack3gf, skype, teamviewer6, x11-apps, x11-session-utils and x11-xserver-utils have unmet dependencies
[16:57] <fdoving> kbroulik: and if you do apt-get -f install again?
[16:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: I think the same exact thing as before
[17:00] <fdoving> kbroulik: tried to run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get -f install' ? if you did add/remove any sources to your sources.list lately it is probably the reason.
[17:01] <kbroulik> fdoving: I run that apt-get update regularly and yet I still got the same thing :(
[17:05] <fdoving> kbroulik: it won't help if your /etc/apt/sources.list is incomplete somehow. or if you've mixed releases or added/removed backports or updates repositories. can you pastebin the result of: grep -Rv ^# /etc/apt/sources.lis*
[17:06] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444170
[17:14] <fdoving> kbroulik: what does 'apt-cache policy cpp-4.6' return?
[17:15] <sinthetek> heya, for some reason my shutdown dialog stopped appearing when i hit ctrl+alt+del
[17:15] <sinthetek> any idea what might cause this issue? i think i had it before but can't remember how i fixed it
[17:18] <sinthetek> it appears to be set in the kde keybindings configuration
[17:28] <sinthetek> screen also won't lock when i close
[17:28] <sinthetek> the lid
[17:32] <kbroulik> fdoving: http://paste.kde.org/444188
[17:33] <kbroulik> sinthetek: I think that screenlock thing is configured in Screensaver settings, check the "Lock after xx minutes" thing and so it will autolock, but not sure
[17:55]  * chalcedony smiles
[17:56] <fdoving> kbroulik: i would suggest trying to change to another mirror. or the main archive server, then run apt-get update and apt-get -f install to see if it helps. seems gcc/cpp/g++ got halfway-upgraded to 4.6.3, while some of the packages remain at 4.6.2.
[17:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: okay, I will try that. many thanks for your patience :)
[17:57] <fdoving> kbroulik: i don't run precise, so i don't know in which state the archives are at the moment. it might be broken for all i know.
[17:57] <kbroulik> fdoving: I am running precise on my main machine and another pc as well and those don't show that symptoms :)
[18:13] <kbroulik> fdoving: choosing another server didnt help
[18:20] <fdoving> kbroulik: is this amd64?
[18:20] <kbroulik> yes
[18:38] <fdoving> kbroulik: you can try this, before manually fetching the debs one by one, http://paste.kde.org/444248/
[18:38] <kbroulik> fdoving: ah, so I can specify a version with the equal sign?
[18:39] <fdoving> kbroulik: yeah, if they are available in multiple versions, you can check with apt-cache policy <packagename>
[18:39] <kbroulik> fdoving: good to know :)
[18:39] <fdoving> kbroulik: the trick is that you need to get them all right at once, for apt to figure out the dependencies.
[18:41] <fdoving> kbroulik: if all apt foo fails, you can manually fetch the .debs from packages.ubuntu.com in the correct versions, place them in a directory and run 'dpkg -i *.deb'
[18:42] <kbroulik> fdoving: hmm so except for libstdc++ it always says "version xxx for package yyy not found"
[18:44] <fdoving> kbroulik: what? - check with 'apt-cache policy cpp' - if they can't be found something is broken in the sources.list or the available lists.
[18:51] <__dan__> soooo im on 11.10 with a few ppa's and stuff
[18:51] <__dan__> gonna dist-upgrade i think
[18:51] <__dan__> any tips before i risk it? :)
[18:51] <__dan__> other than make a backup hehe
[18:51] <kbroulik> fdoving: hooray, so I Manually downloaded and installed the 10 packages that were "corrupt"; and not did an upgrade and now it offered me to upgrade the cpp, gcc and g++ and now everything is fine, no more error messages :)
[18:52] <kbroulik> thanks thanks thanks :)
[18:52] <tsimpson> __dan__: expect things to explode, then you won't be disappointed
[18:52] <__dan__> heheh
[18:52] <fdoving> kbroulik: great :)
[18:53] <__dan__> ok, so whats the approved upgrade method then, start dist-upgrade and throw ur machine outside
[18:53] <__dan__> hope it doesnt make a crater in ur back yard?
[18:53] <__dan__> hehe
[18:53] <__dan__> at what point should i go over to it and see if its done?
[18:54]  * __dan__ assumes standard firework safety applies?
[18:54] <__dan__> heheh
[18:55] <tsimpson> __dan__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu
[18:56] <__dan__> yeah dude thx
[18:56] <__dan__> any tips?
[18:56] <__dan__> oh yeah also should i remove my ppa's before upgrade?
[18:56] <tsimpson> the upgrade tool will do that for you
[18:56] <__dan__> cant remember whether i did that for 11.04 -> 11.10
[18:56] <__dan__> awesome :)
[18:57] <tsimpson> I would offer advice, but no one ever takes it :)
[18:57] <__dan__> right then i think its time to see if u guys REALLY amaroK
[18:57] <__dan__> hehe :)
[18:57] <__dan__> hey man thats why i'm here
[18:57] <tsimpson> if I did offer any, it would be to use a virtual machine or chroot, but you're probably not going to do that, are you?
[18:57] <__dan__> um
[18:57] <__dan__> no
[18:57] <__dan__> heheh
[18:57] <__dan__> :)
[18:57] <tsimpson> see
[18:57] <FloodBotK1> __dan__: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:57] <BluesKaj> __dan__,  if you use the terminal , sudo do-release-upgrade , then remove the ppas from  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[18:58] <__dan__> ah i will do it the gui way thanks BluesKaj
[18:58] <tsimpson> the GUI tool actually runs do-release-upgrade, it just adds a shiny GUI for it
[18:58] <__dan__> mmmmmmm shiny :)
[18:58] <BluesKaj> __dan__,  ok ,...shiny is for crows :)
[18:59] <__dan__> ah i prefer to use the shiny on kubuntu
[18:59] <__dan__> if i want cli i will fire up debian :)
[18:59] <BluesKaj> yeah , __dan__ that's your option
[18:59] <__dan__> + better to test the way most users will be doing it
[19:00] <__dan__> in case it turns my laptop into a steaming pile of slag i might be able to pull some logs off it for u guys haha
[19:00] <BluesKaj> 12.04, kde 4.8.1 here , all terminal ...runs fine
[19:01] <__dan__> awesome :) i should be joining you shortly ... looking forward to kde 4.8
[19:01] <__dan__> just gonna run deja-dup quick haha :)
[19:01] <__dan__> oh yeah one more thing
[19:01] <__dan__> sorry ... is btrfs default in 12.04 now?
[19:03] <tsimpson> __dan__: lord no
[19:04] <tsimpson> I know it's a development release, but not _that_ much
[19:04] <__dan__> well i thought that may be a little bold for an LTS, a friend said it was tho
[19:04] <__dan__> i will inform him of his error haha :)
[19:05] <__dan__> thanks guys
[19:05] <tsimpson> you can choose it when installing, but it's not default
[19:05] <__dan__> nooo man haha
[19:05] <tsimpson> and an upgrade certainly isn't going to format your disks ;)
[19:05] <__dan__> no i know i was considering a reinstall if btrfs was going default
[19:06] <__dan__> maybe for 12.10 :)
[19:06] <__dan__> thanks for all ur help
[19:06] <tsimpson> btrfs is still under heavy development, would be insane to make it the default for 5 years
[19:06] <__dan__> i will be back later tonight saying "yay it worked" or tomorrow saying "ahhhh my laptop exploded" wish me luck ;)
[19:06] <__dan__> indeed hehe
[19:07] <__dan__> cya tsimpson & BluesKaj thx :)
[19:07] <BluesKaj> what advantages will btrfs have over ext ?
[19:09] <Merlyn-Korr> #kubuntu-offtopic
[19:09] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: mostly it's improves how RAID is done, not much in it for single-disk systems
[19:11] <BluesKaj> ok tsimpson , thanks ..using an esata outboard drive for multimedia already , no raid requirement here
[19:31] <Bundestrojaner> good evening
[19:32] <Bundestrojaner> how can i change the keyboard-layout in kubuntu 11.10_
[19:32] <Bundestrojaner> the google-hits are not correct, so it must have changed
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Bundestrojaner,  system settings>input devices>keyboard layouts tab
[19:36] <Bundestrojaner> BluesKaj: I only see keyboard-modells
[19:36] <Bundestrojaner> oh, a tab
[19:37] <Bundestrojaner> there is no keyboard layout-tab oO
[19:37] <Bundestrojaner> it worked before
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> but mz package-manager freezed during updating
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> so i killed the process
[19:38] <Bundestrojaner> i try rebooting again
[20:38] <jalcine> Is anyone willing to help me test a speech-related application? It's at https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol.
[20:41] <jalcine> C'mon guys, don't be shy :)
[21:07] <rtdos> how do i get automatic updates to quit asking for my password?
[21:12] <daskreech> add the updater as a list of the binaries that respect sudo nopasswd ?
[21:17] <rtdos> how do i do that?
[21:23] <daskreech> http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/18/linux-tips-password-usage-in-sudo-passwd-nopasswd/
[21:27] <rtdos> thx.
[21:59] <ricky1966> Hi everybody, i've a hp Officejet, with a print server 4 port network usb hub from digitus. how can i setup  all for make a lan printer ?
[22:08] <markus> I have the same. Have a JetDirect Printserver. Just connected the printer and the computers found it on the network
[22:17] <rtdos> am having a problem loading (and closing) apps on kubuntu: some (most) apps seem to take awhile to either load or shutdown. like there is something running in the background or waiting for something to close. i ran all the necessary tests, including fsck and still have this issue.
[22:21] <ricky1966> markus I don't know if the printserver is jetDirect, i look on the site. tks, I go to sleep i try tomorrow
[22:37] <brad_> help me troubleshoot, I;m trying to sign into my university's wifi, usually, whenusing a browser on a windows pc, the first page to open with the browser is a login/password page. when i open firefox or rekonq on my new distro, the browser doesn't get reedirected to this page as usual, and im not able to access wifi.... ideas?
[22:39] <asfyxia> brad_, do you have a dual-boot pc?
[22:40] <brad_> no, I'm wired into the internet now, reading some forums about this. but no, linux is the only os on here
[22:42] <JMichaelX_work> brad_: i probably do not have the answer, but i have attended some classes at a certain community college, where i had to turn off zeroconf in order to use their network
[22:43] <JMichaelX_work> brad_: it might be worth trying: 'sudo service avahi-daemon stop'
[22:43] <asfyxia> brad_ , okay, I thought I had an idea but I was wrong in the set-up of your connection
[22:44] <brad_> ill try that script
[22:44] <JMichaelX_work> you may then need to close your browser, then open it again
[22:52] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: any success?
[22:55] <brad__> got disconnected,  it worked, hell yea...
[22:55] <brad__> thanks guys, is avahi-daemon looking for printers/crap on the network or something?
[22:56] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: awesome!
[22:56] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: not too sure what all zeroconf does, but yes, i think that is part of it
[22:57] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: for myself, it is something i do not believe i need very badly in most cases... you can test things for yourself, but you might just be able to disable zeroconf altogether, and be fine
[22:59] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: i *think* 'sudo update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove' might do that for you (if not, it would likely be something similar)
[23:02] <brad__> ok cool thanks
[23:03] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: you could then always add it back, if it turns out you need it after all
[23:04] <brad__> if i write the script, cmd tells me to use -f to force, havent even done that... think i should just leave it alone?
[23:04] <brad__> *ever done
[23:05] <JMichaelX_work> i dunno, i would say go ahead and use -f.... but, if you are worried, yu can just leave it alone
[23:05] <brad__> gotchya, just didnt know how serious "force" was to be taken, never applied it to something before, kinda over reacting here, lol
[23:08] <brad__> hmm. tried it, cmd says the disable/enable API is not stable and might change in the future.
[23:08] <brad__> can i just use a scipt to check if it's there/enabled now?
[23:13] <rtdos> am having a problem loading (and closing) apps on kubuntu: some (most) apps seem to take awhile to either load or shutdown. like there is something running in the background or waiting for something to close. i ran all the necessary tests, including fsck and still have this issue.
[23:15] <brad__> ummm, another thing, my buddy wants to get an Alienware laptop...... and run linux on it?? what do I need to tell this kid, he's reading this..
[23:18] <JMichaelX_work> brad__: no real idea... bt if want to run linux, you need to confirm compatibility before you buy
[23:19] <DarthFrog> Alienware machines are high-performance machines, designed for gamers.  And have a price tag to match.
[23:19] <brad__> that's for sure
[23:19] <DarthFrog> I wouldn't call Linux a gamer's OS, though.
[23:19] <brad__> that's what i thought
[23:20] <DarthFrog> Unless he needs a high performance laptop, it would seem to me that he's over-buying.  Not that there's anything wrong with that if you've got the budget for it. :-)
[23:23] <brad__> anybody have an RTS they'd recommend?
[23:30] <szal> RTS?