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| pvagner | AlanBell: sorry to disturb you again... er but please if you can... I've tried your advice from yesterday. I've started the live cd, pressed ctrl+s to start orca, alt+tabbed to the installer window, tabbed to the try ubuntu push button, hit space, waited for orca to come up again, pressed ctrl+aalt+t to bring up the terminal and typed | 07:01 |
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| pvagner | metacity --replace &; unity-2d-shell &; unity-2d-pannel & | 07:01 |
| pvagner | what I got was a syntaks error. Then I've tried to do just | 07:01 |
| pvagner | metacity --replace ; unity-2d-shell ; unity-2d-pannel & | 07:01 |
| pvagner | which worked but... | 07:01 |
| pvagner | I've got a crash of compiz. I have presset the push button saying something like keep closed. Then I have reaalized I am unable to use menus e.g. by pressing F10 and also I can't press alt+f1, alt+f2 etc. The only thing which worked at this stage is alt+tabbing to the orca window, launching orca preferences or using ctrl+alt+d to go to the desktop. | 07:01 |
| pvagner | AlanBell: have I done something wrong please? | 07:02 |
| pvagner | AlanBell: Is there something you think I can try? | 07:02 |
| pvagner | just to remind a bit, my goal is to switch to unity 2d while running live cd | 07:04 |
| pvagner | I'm running ubuntu live from usb not a cd so perhaps I can tweak some file to start ubuntu 2d instead of 3d this waay. However I don't seem to be able to find something relevant on google yet. | 07:09 |
| pvagner | from the ui, it can be done as described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89102/how-do-i-enable-unity-2d-on-the-livecd | 07:14 |
| pvagner | however there is no accessibility support for the login screen yet so this is not a working solution for me. | 07:14 |
| pvagner | huh, I think I'm not the only one wishing to do something like this. However this does not appear to be answered... http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-10/msg00058.html | 07:18 |
| AlanBell | TheMuso: got any ideas on switching desktop environments from the live CD? | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | AlanBell: You mean for the next running session when you log in/out? You need to change the session that is set as the login session, and AccountService stores this info for lightdm. | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | So you need to use dbus to make the change. | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | I did post a dbus-send command on the accessibility list a while back for this. | 10:02 |
| AlanBell | does that work on the live cd? | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | It should. | 10:02 |
| TheMuso | You just need to log out and back in again. | 10:02 |
| cprofitt | A cool device that would be nice to have working in Ubuntu | 11:57 |
| cprofitt | http://www.madentec.com/products/intelliswitch.php | 11:57 |
| cprofitt | http://www.madentec.com/products/discover-envoy.php | 11:58 |
| pvagner | AlanBell: TheMuso: sorry most likelly I have missed the definitive answer. Can I somehow do it? | 14:35 |
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| MrChrisDruif | Hai guys | 21:38 |
| * jalcine waves. | 21:39 | |
| * MrChrisDruif waves back to jalcine | 21:39 | |
| MrChrisDruif | ;-) | 21:39 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, are there any known issues in terms of accessibility with lightdm and are there known workarounds for them? | 21:41 |
| TheMuso | MrChrisDruif: What version of Ubuntu? | 21:42 |
| MrChrisDruif | TheMuso; 12.04 | 21:43 |
| TheMuso | MrChrisDruif: Ah ok. | 21:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | (Better put, Lubuntu's 12.04) | 21:44 |
| TheMuso | MrChrisDruif: Well you can now use orca in the login manager. If its not enabled, press Control + S to turn it on, and it will remain on for subsequent uses. | 21:44 |
| TheMuso | Ah I don't know what greeter lubuntu is using, probably the standard GTK greeter, which has no accessibility support afaik. | 21:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Is that documented somewhere already? | 21:44 |
| MrChrisDruif | Afaik indeed the default gtk one | 21:45 |
| MrChrisDruif | s/default/standard | 21:45 |
| TheMuso | The only way you will get accessibility for lightdm at this point, is if you install the unity-greeter package, which is the login greeter that Ubuntu uses. | 21:46 |
| TheMuso | If I get a chance one day, I will look at the GTK greeter and implement similar support there. | 21:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | But that Orca option is only available with the one of Ubuntu and it uses what greeter again? | 21:46 |
| TheMuso | The unity-greeter package is what you want. | 21:46 |
| MrChrisDruif | Maybe those things might be backported to 12.04 hopefully? That way even the LTS-user might benefit from it | 21:47 |
| TheMuso | Probably not, because it will be an additional feature. | 21:48 |
| TheMuso | And no additional features will be introduced into 12.04 post release. | 21:48 |
| TheMuso | But something could be made available via the backports repository. | 21:48 |
| MrChrisDruif | That would be nice I think | 21:55 |
| MrChrisDruif | But is there anything documented about these acc. features for lightdm? And which greeter is needed to get it working? | 21:56 |
| TheMuso | Unity-greeter is needed to get it working, thats what I have been trying to say. | 22:01 |
| TheMuso | Nothing really officially documented yet, but I will be putting something together once 12.04 is out. | 22:01 |
| MrChrisDruif | Why the hold up? Because things may still change? O_O | 22:06 |
| TheMuso | No, because I don't have time. | 22:09 |
| TheMuso | atm | 22:09 |
| TheMuso | I am still working on fixing little bugs in and there. | 22:09 |
| TheMuso | here | 22:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | Alright | 22:09 |
| MrChrisDruif | I might wanna start on something because Lubuntu is also switching to LightDM this release and it might be handy to (finally) have some docs | 22:10 |
| JanC | docs should be mandatory before a package is accepted into the distro... :-/ | 22:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Ghehe, agreed JanC ^_^ | 22:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | Anyhow, I was looking for something more user orientated docs | 22:14 |
| MrChrisDruif | So I'll see what I can come up with atleast for the Lubuntu crowd | 22:15 |
| JanC | when I say docs I mean the whole range: from end-user over admin to developer | 22:17 |
| jalcine | from manpages to Mallard/Docbook packages! | 22:19 |
| JanC | manpages is what you often want as an admin / support person | 22:21 |
| JanC | if only to find what you need to get useful debug output or override default, etc. | 22:22 |
| MrChrisDruif | Indeed | 22:23 |
| MrChrisDruif | Good point, but don't expect it to ever happen. At least not with Ubuntu, not any time soon if at all. | 22:24 |
| JanC | well, some (Ubuntu) projects insist on tests to accept patches, I think they should do the same for docs... ;) | 22:25 |
| jalcine | Well, it would be helpful if the help center for apps was a bit unified and easy to get to. | 22:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | I think Arch would sooner get that then Ubuntu | 22:25 |
| jalcine | They would. | 22:25 |
| MrChrisDruif | Seeing how their wiki is now | 22:25 |
| JanC | well, the BSDs too, but their "base system" is very limited, of course | 22:26 |
| MrChrisDruif | Arch's base system is also very limited ;-) | 22:27 |
| JanC | oh, and GNU projects (except you need 'info' to read it then) | 22:27 |
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