=== jalcine is now known as Guest84963 === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [07:01] AlanBell: sorry to disturb you again... er but please if you can... I've tried your advice from yesterday. I've started the live cd, pressed ctrl+s to start orca, alt+tabbed to the installer window, tabbed to the try ubuntu push button, hit space, waited for orca to come up again, pressed ctrl+aalt+t to bring up the terminal and typed [07:01] metacity --replace &; unity-2d-shell &; unity-2d-pannel & [07:01] what I got was a syntaks error. Then I've tried to do just [07:01] metacity --replace ; unity-2d-shell ; unity-2d-pannel & [07:01] which worked but... [07:01] I've got a crash of compiz. I have presset the push button saying something like keep closed. Then I have reaalized I am unable to use menus e.g. by pressing F10 and also I can't press alt+f1, alt+f2 etc. The only thing which worked at this stage is alt+tabbing to the orca window, launching orca preferences or using ctrl+alt+d to go to the desktop. [07:02] AlanBell: have I done something wrong please? [07:02] AlanBell: Is there something you think I can try? [07:04] just to remind a bit, my goal is to switch to unity 2d while running live cd [07:09] I'm running ubuntu live from usb not a cd so perhaps I can tweak some file to start ubuntu 2d instead of 3d this waay. However I don't seem to be able to find something relevant on google yet. [07:14] from the ui, it can be done as described here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/89102/how-do-i-enable-unity-2d-on-the-livecd [07:14] however there is no accessibility support for the login screen yet so this is not a working solution for me. [07:18] huh, I think I'm not the only one wishing to do something like this. However this does not appear to be answered... http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-accessibility/2011-10/msg00058.html [07:58] TheMuso: got any ideas on switching desktop environments from the live CD? [10:02] AlanBell: You mean for the next running session when you log in/out? You need to change the session that is set as the login session, and AccountService stores this info for lightdm. [10:02] So you need to use dbus to make the change. [10:02] I did post a dbus-send command on the accessibility list a while back for this. [10:02] does that work on the live cd? [10:02] It should. [10:02] You just need to log out and back in again. [11:57] A cool device that would be nice to have working in Ubuntu [11:57] http://www.madentec.com/products/intelliswitch.php [11:58] http://www.madentec.com/products/discover-envoy.php [14:35] AlanBell: TheMuso: sorry most likelly I have missed the definitive answer. Can I somehow do it? === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [21:38] Hai guys [21:39] * jalcine waves. [21:39] * MrChrisDruif waves back to jalcine [21:39] ;-) [21:41] Anyhow, are there any known issues in terms of accessibility with lightdm and are there known workarounds for them? [21:42] MrChrisDruif: What version of Ubuntu? [21:43] TheMuso; 12.04 [21:44] MrChrisDruif: Ah ok. [21:44] (Better put, Lubuntu's 12.04) [21:44] MrChrisDruif: Well you can now use orca in the login manager. If its not enabled, press Control + S to turn it on, and it will remain on for subsequent uses. [21:44] Ah I don't know what greeter lubuntu is using, probably the standard GTK greeter, which has no accessibility support afaik. [21:44] Is that documented somewhere already? [21:45] Afaik indeed the default gtk one [21:45] s/default/standard [21:46] The only way you will get accessibility for lightdm at this point, is if you install the unity-greeter package, which is the login greeter that Ubuntu uses. [21:46] If I get a chance one day, I will look at the GTK greeter and implement similar support there. [21:46] But that Orca option is only available with the one of Ubuntu and it uses what greeter again? [21:46] The unity-greeter package is what you want. [21:47] Maybe those things might be backported to 12.04 hopefully? That way even the LTS-user might benefit from it [21:48] Probably not, because it will be an additional feature. [21:48] And no additional features will be introduced into 12.04 post release. [21:48] But something could be made available via the backports repository. [21:55] That would be nice I think [21:56] But is there anything documented about these acc. features for lightdm? And which greeter is needed to get it working? [22:01] Unity-greeter is needed to get it working, thats what I have been trying to say. [22:01] Nothing really officially documented yet, but I will be putting something together once 12.04 is out. [22:06] Why the hold up? Because things may still change? O_O [22:09] No, because I don't have time. [22:09] atm [22:09] I am still working on fixing little bugs in and there. [22:09] here [22:09] Alright [22:10] I might wanna start on something because Lubuntu is also switching to LightDM this release and it might be handy to (finally) have some docs [22:12] docs should be mandatory before a package is accepted into the distro... :-/ [22:14] Ghehe, agreed JanC ^_^ [22:14] Anyhow, I was looking for something more user orientated docs [22:15] So I'll see what I can come up with atleast for the Lubuntu crowd [22:17] when I say docs I mean the whole range: from end-user over admin to developer [22:19] from manpages to Mallard/Docbook packages! [22:21] manpages is what you often want as an admin / support person [22:22] if only to find what you need to get useful debug output or override default, etc. [22:23] Indeed [22:24] Good point, but don't expect it to ever happen. At least not with Ubuntu, not any time soon if at all. [22:25] well, some (Ubuntu) projects insist on tests to accept patches, I think they should do the same for docs... ;) [22:25] Well, it would be helpful if the help center for apps was a bit unified and easy to get to. [22:25] I think Arch would sooner get that then Ubuntu [22:25] They would. [22:25] Seeing how their wiki is now [22:26] well, the BSDs too, but their "base system" is very limited, of course [22:27] Arch's base system is also very limited ;-) [22:27] oh, and GNU projects (except you need 'info' to read it then) === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine is now known as jalcine_