[06:37] <djshotglass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/260978920665?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 probably as cheap as it gets eh?
[08:16] <Riddell> is there really no mailing list to discuss arm issues on?
[09:46] <lilstevie> Riddell, there is launchpad
[09:47] <Riddell> lilstevie: mm I know, is there a part of launchpad to discuss arm issues?
[09:48] <lilstevie> arm issues?
[09:48] <lilstevie> normally it would be issues with x package
[09:48] <lilstevie> for any supported arch
[09:48] <Riddell> well that's not the case I have and there are plenty of other instances where it won't be the case
[09:48] <Riddell> the existance of an ubuntu server arm list proves that
[09:48] <lilstevie> so say you had an issue with chromium-browser you would comment against that
[09:49] <Riddell> I don't have an issue with a package
[09:49] <lilstevie> what kind of issue is it?
[09:51] <Riddell> one with arm
[09:52] <Riddell> really I've tried debugging it on irc more than once before, now I need a mailing list
[09:52] <suihkulokki> ubuntu-server-arm lists appears to have no traffic
[09:52] <Riddell> two dysfunctional communities does not a functional community make :)
[09:53] <suihkulokki> I wonder why anyone bothered opening such a limited-scope mailing lsit
[10:07] <Riddell> suihkulokki: because of people like me who have questions about arm
[10:09] <suihkulokki> Riddell: seems like you have got off on the wrong foot today
[10:09] <suihkulokki> I was just wondering why ubuntu-server-arm rather than say ubuntu-arm
[10:10] <Riddell> suihkulokki: oh I've been battling arm for two or three weeks now :)
[10:10] <Riddell> suihkulokki: yes renaming it would be very sensible
[10:12] <suihkulokki> Riddell: meanwhile, I suspect the list doesn't have many readers so I guess your best bet (if indeed you can't pin your problem to a package) is to blog about it :P
[10:12] <Riddell> done that already :)
[10:13] <suihkulokki> oh
[15:01] <prpplague> GrueMaster: is there a recent "non-unity" ubuntu release for panda?
[15:01] <ogra_> ubuntu-server
[15:01] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu-server.
[15:01] <prpplague> that uses the gnome2 desktop?
[15:02] <ogra_> gnome2 is dead upstream
[15:02] <ogra_> ubuntu-server offers you a task selection at the end of the install
[15:02] <prpplague> ogra_: what does the ubuntu-server edition use instead of unity?
[15:02] <ogra_> you can pick other desktops there
[15:02] <prpplague> ahh
[15:02] <ogra_> server by default doesnt us a desktop
[15:03] <prpplague> ahhh
[15:03] <ogra_> but it lets you select one....
[15:03] <prpplague> ogra_: ahh ok, i'll have a look
[15:03] <ogra_> alternatively install desktop and install another desktop on it
[15:03] <ogra_> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[15:03] <ogra_> or xubuntu-desktop
[15:04] <prpplague> yea
[15:04] <prpplague> probably stick to an 11 install.... bummer
[15:04] <ogra_> (note, the server install completely runs on serial)
[15:04] <prpplague> no worries there for me
[15:05] <ogra_> sure, just wanted to mention it ... since the desktop one doesnt enable serial at all (after u-boot)
[15:05] <prpplague> ogra_: are the x86 installs the same?
[15:05] <ogra_> no
[15:05] <ogra_> well, content wise they are
[15:05] <ogra_> the installation is completely different
[15:05] <prpplague> ogra_: right, that was my vague question, hehe
[15:06] <ogra_> right, with 12.04 there is only unity on the desktop images
[15:06] <ogra_> though for x86 there are xubuntu,kubuntu and lubuntu images
[15:06] <prpplague> thats a real shame
[15:06] <ogra_> as well as ubuntu-studio and mythbuntu
[15:06] <ogra_> why is that a shame ? we always only shipped the default desktop
[15:07] <prpplague> yea, just unity and i don't get along
[15:07] <ogra_> its not like ubuntu changed that much in this regard
[15:07] <ogra_> (since CDs didnt magically grow over 800M... )
[15:08] <suihkulokki> CDs are a lame excuse on arm where nobody uses CDs :)
[15:08] <prpplague> ogra_: yea, just the choice of unity is my issue. but that is just me
[15:08] <ogra_> suihkulokki, i didnt refer to arm above :)
[15:08] <ogra_> prpplague, nah. not just you
[15:08]  * ogra_ gets along pretty well with unity2d but really bad with unity
[15:10]  * prpplague needs to clean his work area
[18:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: did you have time to look at the sgx packages?
[18:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, no, still busy getting oem-config preseeding to work, they are next on the list though
[18:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: great, meanwhile I'm trying to fix clutter
[18:29] <rsalveti> to unblock the arm images
[18:30] <ogra_> heh, yeah, i saw
[18:32] <pbuckley> *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'
[18:32] <pbuckley> after this mornings apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:27] <gildean> pbuckley: close down open terminals and open them up again
[19:30] <gildean> iirc the error comes from an updated link and is corrected when open terminals are closed and the new version is started
[20:06] <highvoltage> hi! ubuntu-12.04-beta1-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+omap4.img should work on a pandaboard right?
[20:07] <ogra_> img.gz ... but yeah
[20:07] <highvoltage> (I just get a black screen, where it works fine with a 11.10 armel desktop image)
[20:08] <ogra_> do you know what board revision you have there ?
[20:08] <ogra_> we deinitely tested on panda ES and panda A1 and A2
[20:08] <highvoltage> Pandaboard ES
[20:09] <ogra_> did you try the "other" HDMI port ? :)
[20:09] <ogra_> iirc the graphics driver changed, might be that you need to use the DVI port now
[20:09] <highvoltage> it's on the one marked DVI (since I'm susing it with a DVI adaptor)
[20:09] <highvoltage> let me try the other one...
[20:09] <GrueMaster> ogra_: No, hdmi port (closest to the USB/Mic ports) should be fine.
[20:10] <GrueMaster> That would be it.  Switch ports.
[20:10] <GrueMaster> Only diff is that the HDMI port is dvi-0 and has digital audio signals.
[20:10] <highvoltage> indeed, I switched to the other one and it works :)
[20:11] <GrueMaster> Excellent.
[20:11] <highvoltage> with 11.10 it only worked on the other one.
[20:12]  * highvoltage wonders if update-manager can plug out a cable and plug it into another port :p
[20:13] <ogra_> highvoltage, sure, but you need to buy the HW extension in the canonical shop
[20:14] <highvoltage> I'll look out for it! I hope it has unnecessaryly elaborate robotic arms
[20:14] <ogra_> it comes with a free bumper sticker even !
[20:14]  * highvoltage is afraid to ask what it says
[20:15]  * ogra_ isnt that creative anymore after a 11h day (that still has 2h to go)
[20:16] <highvoltage> (same here, I was close to getting to a "I ♥..." something about sabdfl but my brain can't formulate funny anymore
[20:16] <highvoltage> (at least it can still do unicode)
[20:16] <ogra_> heh, more than i can :)
[20:33] <highvoltage> what's in the server image that makes it so much bigger than the desktop one?
[20:34] <GrueMaster> Lots of preseeded packages for server installation.
[20:34] <GrueMaster> So that you don't need to install them from the net.
[20:35] <GrueMaster> (in theory)
[20:36] <highvoltage> ah
[20:42] <pbuckley> its to bad in unity when you click the ubuntu logo in the upper left hand corner and you get that black search box pop up that when i type in a url like afp://bobs_fileshare/jokes or smb://janes/pics it doesnt take me to the network file share..
[20:57] <highvoltage> ogra_: when I do an apt-get autoremove after my pandaboard is installed, it removes dpkg-repack, apt-clone, libdebian-installer4 and a few other things that doesn't quite seem like they belong in the final installation
[20:57] <highvoltage> ogra_: am I mistaken or should I file a bug for that?
[20:57] <ogra_> yeah, file a bug
[23:00] <dannf> infinity: my f-k branch is now updated w/ f-k-i changes for highbank
[23:25] <zma> How to get usb networking on Ubuntu 11.10? If I try ordinary steps, I get error that there is no such interface as usb0.
[23:27] <zma> By ordinary I mean I make sure modules cdc_ether and usbnet are loaded, make entry to /etc/network/interfaces for usb0 and then /etc/init.d/networking restart