[00:31] Hey cprofitt o/ [00:42] hey s-fox [00:43] How are you? [00:58] Goodbye. === Guest22703 is now known as jbicha === jbicha is now known as Guest72586 === Guest72586 is now known as jbicha_ [01:27] cjohnston, you are rocking summit! Go you! [02:30] anyone around who is a sucker for punishment who wouldn't mind helping me test things? [02:44] Ok.. Anyone around who wants to check out something thats totally awesome? === jalcine is now known as Guest84963 === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [03:19] cjohnston, just tell them the coolness is the new summit features and they rock [03:19] lol [03:19] see how creative people can be with the session titles :-) [03:19] I already saw [03:19] :-P [03:20] hey the graner's keep it real would be an awesome talk [03:20] lol [03:20] you cant have all week [03:20] oh well there is that [03:20] I can in your test session [03:22] cjohnston, it can be ars - akgraner reality summit :-P - that would be scary [03:22] or funny as heck one of the two [03:23] ok I am going on 15 hours awake and I am getting punchy - cjohnston let me know if you need anything else from me tomorrow - I'll find some time somewhere [03:24] * akgraner wonders if she should finish her self-evaluation in this mood :-) [03:24] lol [03:24] have a good night [03:24] ty for your help [03:26] yw... catch you tomorrow [03:35] Hey all.. if you could please help me with testing new features in Summit: http://chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu/the-summit-scheduler-a-call-for-testing [04:22] documentation freeze is not happening this week =s [04:22] we dont need no stinkin docs [04:23] cjohnston: heh === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === danilo_ is now known as danilos [07:27] good morning all [08:08] good morning [08:55] morning [10:39] mornin [11:10] Hello o/ [11:11] :-) [11:12] Hey cjohnston , up a bit early for you? On nights? [11:12] no.. its 7 [11:13] hmmm, maybe I got my timezones mixed up, ha [11:13] DSt messes things up [11:14] We change this sunday [11:14] Can't wait to be honest [11:19] cjohnston: where ona wiki page do I list a uds activity planning ? [11:21] not really sure [11:21] what type of activity? [11:21] evenign activity [11:21] *evening [11:21] used to be w.u.c/uds-release [11:21] and we could put stuff there wondered was it gonna be used [11:22] Theres /UDS-Q [11:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q [11:22] ya [11:23] aye which looks a bit odd seeing the header like that [11:23] I don't know that I would put it right on that page [11:23] ya [11:23] I'm gonna work on that [11:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q [11:23] all the links dont exist [11:23] jcastro has had run it looks like [11:23] just means noone has created them yet because noones gotten there [11:24] what is the event czajkowski? [11:24] cjohnston: can you create an evening activities page for me please as you have it open [11:24] thanks [11:24] AlanBell: photo walk [11:24] for photographers [11:24] nice [11:24] yup [11:24] just planning it now [11:24] starting where? [11:24] AlanBell: am in the planning phase :) [11:25] aka had the idea and now trying to work it out :) [11:25] maybe talk to pleia2 [11:25] although that would mean it ends up in a zoo [11:28] hehehe [11:28] just creating a wiki page and can plan from there [11:28] there used to be a wiki page under/UDS for evening events so it should be ok [11:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Q/OtherEvents [11:34] AlanBell: meanie :P [11:35] * AlanBell loves pleia2's zoo pictures [11:35] they are cute [11:35] and the first thing we did when she visted me in dublin [11:35] was go to the zoo :) [11:36] cjohnston: thanks [11:37] yup [11:38] baffled why I cannot find the Uds-L page [11:38] for events [11:41] we are about due a release name for Q [11:41] March 7th was Oneiric [11:45] AlanBell: amen, amen! [11:51] I hope they choose the name I gave at UDS [11:51] to be honest not that many Q animals [11:52] \o/ go Quagga for 12.10! [11:53] * quagga tickles the pangolin [11:53] Quixotic Quetzal [11:53] silly popey [11:54] AlanBell: wrong letter... :-) [11:56] AlanBell: did you see the device I posted on G+ yesterday? [11:56] http://www.madentec.com/products/intelliswitch.php [11:56] http://www.madentec.com/products/intelliswitch.php [11:58] dasher can be switch controlled, as can onboard now [11:58] nice. [11:58] up to recently the spacebar in onboard was mapped to 'e' so we don't think anyone has ever used it [11:58] in onboard you can activate scanning mode [11:59] this is the video that I saw the device in [11:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cSSgndQ5mVs [11:59] very impressive what the young man is capable of [11:59] that device makes a huge difference for him [12:01] Thanks for the information on dasher and onboard [12:03] it was return https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/onboard/+bug/877385 [12:03] Launchpad bug 877385 in onboard "scanning layout has return mapped to "e"" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:06] space or return is kind of a major roadblock. [12:08] colour me unsurprised that kid uses apple [12:08] why do you say that popey? [12:09] because they get a11y right [12:09] * cprofitt nods [12:09] that I agree with [12:10] though most of the setups we have in my district use Windows [12:10] I think Windows tends to be more common used with 3rd party software, but for just plain works without too much extra software Apple tends to be better [12:11] I was just typing that Pendulum [12:11] Schools use Windows because they assume that that's what they kids will be using other places [12:12] In our cases we use Windows because of the cost -- and the familiarity of the staff with the Windows platform + third party tools [12:12] And because, at least in my area, that's what they already have for computers [12:12] my secondary school uses windows and linux [12:12] they have classes using both [12:12] we have special trained people from our BOCES that handle all the a11y implementations [12:12] the interesting thing is once you start putting in cost for 3rd party tools for a11y, I suspect Apple ends up cheaper than Windows [12:13] they got a lot of help from the university to use linux with lectuers and TAs coming out to help which really helped [12:13] czajkowski: that is great to hear... precious little Linux adoption in schools near me... except in the server room [12:14] nope we have programming class in 4th year in most schools [12:14] and can now take computer modules up to our junior cert aka 15 year olds [12:14] local schools around me used to do programming... but they dropped it... primarily because none of the teachers know how to program [12:14] as a parent it bothers me greatly [12:15] they think teaching autocad and MS Office = computer science [12:18] I did manage to help get a computer club formed at one of the two high schools in my district, and most of those kids use Linux and program arduinos [12:19] I would prefer that some courses be taughts -- or programming integrated in to other courses like Physics / Chemistry / etc [12:21] *shrugs* you cant expect a teacher to teach everything, or they wont teach one thing correctly or fully [12:21] so I dont expect teachers to teach programming, yes it'd be nice but I could see time better spent elsewhere [12:23] czajkowski: who teaches the programming courses in your schools? [12:24] the TAs from Unis who are studying masters [12:24] or past graduates who have completed uni and going back to teach in secondary schools mostly [12:25] to become a teacher as our degrees are in Bsc in computer science so once we do a grad dip we can teach in any secondary school [12:25] ah... that is a key difference from here [12:26] here people have to have a specific education degree to teach in any K-12 schools; they need to add a masters on to that, but without the education degree a masters degree doesn't qualify a person to teach in K-12 [12:26] and our K-12 education programs have no computer science certification [12:26] many of my mates who did my course went on to do a 1 year course to become a teacher in schools and then teach computer stuff and usually one of their subjects that they would hae done to leaving cert [12:27] wow you need a masters to teach kids [12:27] yeah. [12:27] our teachers go through a 4 year undergrad program specifically in education - either elementary or secondary [12:28] they pick a certification area - math, science, english, foreign language, physical ed, etc [12:28] then they have to get a masters degree in education as well to remain a teacher [12:29] but a person with a doctorate in computer science would not be able to teach in K-12 unless they went back and completed a two year course in education [12:30] and then if you applied to teach you would be put on the bottom rung as no other experience counts toward the salary scale -- that makes it rare that anyone elects to go in to teaching K-12 [12:31] czajkowski: sounds like your system works a bit better [12:31] I am moving into teaching from an IT background [12:32] s-fox: where are you? [12:32] we have something similar, although you also have to factor in the irish language, you need honours to become a primary teacher, one of the hardest courses to get into, it;s a 4 year degree, most secondary school teachers are either arts students who major in 2 subjects and then do a follow up h dip, or we do have specalised science and PE teachers. [12:32] and I do have a degree in BSc [12:33] cprofitt, I will be teaching in Japan [12:33] my mum wanted me to do the h dip after college, namely as in .ie we have 3 months summer hols [12:33] which is good if you're a woman and wnat to have a family and still work [12:33] but as much as I love kids, I think I'd strangle them :) [12:34] I will be teaching adults, so not got that issue czajkowski ;) haha [12:34] our teachers get two months... nice gig if you can get it. [12:34] they're even worse! they think they know it all [12:34] lol [12:34] another reason is it'a pensionable job and you cannot be fired [12:35] I know about 3 of my mates are teaching in japan they did the TEFEL course and teach english over there [12:35] TEFL === jalcine_ is now known as Guest38311 === webjadmin_ is now known as Guest97056 [14:00] mhall119: jcastro you going to be able to jump on the call? [14:03] cjohnston: what call? [15:08] hey dpm [15:08] dpm, if you have a bit of time can you check if the update-packaging-guide script still works? :) [15:08] we changed a few bits because of the i18n [15:25] jcastro: stuart is looking at the logs, hopefully something soon [15:26] ok [15:28] dholbach, on it [15:29] dpm, just remember to set the environment variables if you run it manually ;-) [15:29] :-) [15:34] dholbach, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/893762/ [15:34] ha, I thought it might break ;-) [15:34] let me check [15:59] dpm, I fixed the bug in ~dholbach/+junk/update-packaging-guide [16:03] dholbach, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/893807/ - does the output on d.u.c look about right? [16:04] dpm, yes for now it'll do - I'll check into re-adding the links - the HTML changed, so the regex etc needs to be changed too [16:06] dholbach, ok, cool, let me know when you want me to pull from bzr again [16:06] * dholbach hugs dpm [16:07] * dpm hugs back ;) [16:35] dpm, another update pushed [16:36] dholbach, ok, pulled and updated output [16:36] yeehaw [16:36] dpm, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ looks much closer to the original now, doesn't it? [16:37] admittedly not as pretty [16:37] but for generated docs not too bad [16:37] nice [16:37] next: i18n'ed version :-P [16:39] \o/ [17:00] I just got some interesting data from Norways biggest newspaper; http://ubuntuone.com/4ftiPYrQgmLA37SRjx47Vl [17:04] the number of visits is secret, but nonetheless.. VG.no is a site that everyone visits, so it's probably the very best data that can be found about Norway. He asked if I had an explanation for the sudden rise in June 2011. I see no other explanation than Unity by default. So I asked if Ubuntu is the major part of the reason. With a little bit of luck, he'll be able and willing to answer. :) [17:29] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow === jalcine_ is now known as Guest12398 [17:36] dpm: hello! [17:36] czajkowski: if we could collaborate on UDS events it would be nice (the California team has a lot of ideas already to fill up the usually 2 nights free :)) [17:36] hi czajkowski [17:36] dpm: can you help get us on the right path to get this page translated please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines [17:36] pleia2: cool just went looking under /UDS as thats where it ususally went [17:37] I'll be leading a tourist group in SF Wednesday night, there is also a Debian dinner that night and possibly going to the supercomputers at NERSC [17:37] yeah, we haven't linked it yet because it's still a couple months off and we wanted more details first [17:37] nods and also people have team dinners tue/wed also [17:38] weds tends to be free and thursday for team dinners, so we're shooting for thursday night for some things for people who don't have team dinners [17:38] (I'll be doing an Ubuntu Women dinner Thursday) [17:38] czajkowski, sure, I won't manage today, but will put it on my todo for tomorrow. For the future, though, do you think it would make sense to move these kind of pages to the LoCo portal? This way they'd have a more permanent home and translators would be able to translate them with Launchpad [17:39] mhall119, what do you think? ^ [17:39] hmm interesting thought [17:39] and yea tomorrow is grand for it [17:39] cheers === Guest12398 is now known as JackyAlcine [17:54] dpm: We are trying are best to get it done [17:55] hi bkerensa, I'm a bit out of context, what are you trying to get done? [17:55] dpm: finish the doc work before freeze [17:55] or soon after if we get a exception [17:56] bkerensa, yeah, I've been chatting with jbicha and with skaet on #ubuntu-doc and #ubuntu-release [18:03] dpm: think about which? [18:04] the suggestion to move some wiki pages related to LoCo info to the loco portal ^^ [18:05] they won't be translatable unless they're in the code itself, which will make updates more cumbersome, but we can do it [19:11] jbicha_: bkerensa: Can you guys help me gather a list of people who contributed towards documentation for 12.04? === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [19:31] mhall119: I will see what I can do :) [19:34] /39 === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [19:43] mhall119: I just pinged doc list to try and gather that and I will e-mail you a list when I have one together [19:46] thanks bkerensa [19:56] bkerensa: the commit logs work too https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/precise/changes [19:57] and same for kubuntu-docs, server guide [19:57] k === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as JackyAlcine === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine [20:32] jcastro: network dropped [20:32] yeah mine is pretty bad [20:32] popey, can you post on the bug and say it sucked for me too? [20:32] wrapping up this OMG bidness [20:33] mine isnt bad, it dropped completely [20:33] oh [20:33] done [20:33] well, certainly the kernel he gave me before this one was awesome [20:33] this has to be the crappy one I figure [20:42] AlanBell, Daviey anyone.. can you tell me if it's possible to have etherpad's viewable via read-only without login? as it stands, we can't use the ubuntu pad to do generic public work as many people aren't a member of the team that allows them to access [20:43] If this isn't possible now, who can we talk to about changing it? [20:43] it isn't possible now, but I have a plan [20:43] balloons: maybe http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org [20:44] I will be adding such a method to the server that we will be using for UDS [20:44] jbicha_: that is running the same code, just a different theme [20:44] AlanBell, awesome.. so by next UDS our etherpads will be publically viewable without login? [20:44] the Ubuntu pad is stuck behind a reverse proxy that requires openid auth from everyone [20:44] yeah [20:44] and I can use it for other things outside of UDS for ubuntu work [20:45] cool.. thanks. [20:45] glad to hear it [20:45] normally there is a static read only link, I am extending it to do a live read only link [20:45] and you can use the comment facility without logging on [20:45] http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/baloons [20:45] have a play [20:47] ohh.. new theme.. new version? [20:47] looks nice [20:48] it will be embedded in summit again, and it will know who you are from your summit login [20:49] AlanBell, somewhere in there you should have inserting a "muahahaha" after the "I have a plan" - just sayin' [20:51] AlanBell: why is it stuck behind that openid thing? I have to reconnect all the time [20:52] yeah, sorry about that [20:52] jbicha_: because when it wasn't, OMG linked to the session pads in their articles and a bunch of people started screwing them up [20:52] the ubuntu-uk one doesn't require the login [20:52] it was implemented about 12 hours before the start of the UDS before last [20:53] yeah, etherpad doesn't support openID at all so canonical sysadmins decided to put it behind a reverse proxy that requires auth [20:53] oh ok [20:55] I think it may have been less than 12 hours in fact! [20:55] but it was done by the time sabdlf stopped speaking [20:55] I thought it was sadfl? [20:56] balloons: what teams are they a member of that they dont have access? [20:56] sabdfl, I can't type [20:56] lol but I've seen a lot of people use sabdfl . [20:56] yeah, pretty much everyone with a launchpad account should have access, if they don't there is a group for execptions [20:57] I remember sitting in the lobby with jcastro adding thousands of people on Monday morning. [20:57] anyone in canonical, ubuntu members, any loco team, motu etc are already added [20:57] ya [20:58] IS was complaining about spam too [20:58] people were spamming it [20:58] :( [21:00] they were [21:02] AlanBell, cjohnston .. I [21:02] jcastro: I may have broken OMG [21:02] as an example, https://launchpad.net/~cortman doesn't have access [21:03] most people wer added to it [21:03] so all locoteams [21:03] ubuntu members [21:03] yeah, well this cortman person is in no groups [21:03] it was rare that peoople who wanted to interact with Ubuntu land were able to access the etherpad [21:03] balloons: ask for ubuntu-testing to be members of ~ubuntu-etherpad [21:03] yup [21:04] what cjohnston said [21:04] it is unusual for people to not be in a loco team, but be sufficiently involved in the project to want to see UDS stuff [21:05] nods [21:05] balloons: I added the team, ask Pete or stgraber to approve it [21:05] then they will all be members [21:06] ahh.. that would be helpful, thank you [21:06] sweet that was painless [21:06] :) [21:06] Anyone willing to help me test out awesome new changes in Summit? [21:07] anyone willing to stick a knife in me? [21:07] yaaaaargh OMG!Ubuntu! [21:07] lol [21:07] thats how I feel about charms too [21:08] jcastro: is it will WP/PHP that's failing? [21:08] can you just juju add wordpress-omg now/ [21:08] apache, but not on the running one, it's running fine [21:08] something else is the problem [21:09] cjohnston, you sure you invited? [21:09] w're almost done with the omg charm [21:09] pete doesn't see anything [21:09] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad [21:10] looks like he approved it [21:10] lol [21:10] now he sees it [21:10] added 143 new members [21:10] our team is 20,144 strong.. [21:10] i've got another one for you to add [21:10] one sec [21:10] uggh [21:11] balloons: get them all in one go [21:11] yes.. it's another team :-) [21:11] https://launchpad.net/~u+1 [21:12] get someone to approve [21:12] will do [21:12] thanks! [21:15] balloons has the power [21:15] well done [21:15] "your problem now, welcome to the team!" [21:15] i do?!? [21:15] what he said [21:16] thats prolly what jono told you when he hired you too [21:18] * balloons whimpers.. no one told me anything about this! [21:18] what do you need to be told [21:19] you noticed a problem, mentioned it, i jfdi'ed it.. everything is better now [21:19] you're just new here and full of energy [21:19] cjohnston, I'm only kidding [21:19] :-P [21:19] yes, as always ya'll have been great [21:19] so we'll likely give you as much power as possible so when you do explode it's less work for us. [21:20] ask and I have recieved [21:20] jcastro, good plan [21:20] then you'll be like "it all makes sense, no wonder jorge is an alcoholic." [21:20] I can't be an alcoholic... [21:20] jcastro: so how is your day going :) [21:20] I have to stop drinking every third day [21:20] although, I am going to "World of Beer" tonight [21:21] 5 days of nothing but this OMG fire, soon though, soon we will be triumphant. [21:21] clearly I missed the fire [21:21] sup? [21:21] I have a list of stuff for you when your triumphant [21:21] czajkowski: not omg [21:22] well, it may be up now, but it wasnt [21:32] czajkowski: ok, updated /UDS-Q/OtherEvents with the details in my notes (and updated the california page so it's more complete, but it'll also get more fleshed out over these next few weeks [21:32] the team is super excited to be the host area for this UDS, so it should be fun :) [21:33] pleia2: cool [21:34] pleia2: just need to add a line after the atttendees before the san fran tour [21:34] that ok?? [21:34] hm? [21:36] just added a seperation bar [21:36] ok [21:36] we could combine the two if you want (not sure where you were intending to go photo-wise) [21:37] we didnt pick monday as usually something going on for folks, and tuesday not sure if we've a team thingy [21:37] it's tricky because it'll be dark, so I'm not sure what to suggest [21:37] aye tis fine one of the guys is big into photography so if we get 2-3 others it'll be fun [21:37] so might be best if not too big a group anyways. [21:38] pleia2: how far is it from the venue to san fran ? [21:38] 30mins? [21:38] about 15-20 minutes on transit [21:38] transit = Bart? [21:38] yeah [21:38] cool [21:39] the bart was actually fairly easy to use compaired to some of the others I have found [21:39] and I'll have to check the exact price, it's going to be interesting ticket-wise for a bunch of people (in budapest the hungarian logo just bought a ticket book) [21:39] cjohnston: yeah, public transit here is quite nice [21:39] s/logo/loco [21:42] * jalcine waits for a UDS in New York. [21:42] czajkowski: the bridge and park by the bridge look like interesting places [21:43] Pendulum was talking about the japanese tea gardens which might be photographable [21:43] nods [21:43] gmb is woking on the route [21:43] unfortunately the japanese tea garden isn't open at night (and that's a much longer trip, other side of the city near the ocean) [21:43] the ZOO! [21:43] ;) [21:43] lol [21:44] pleia2's favorite place [21:44] that's not open at night either, I've told them they should have a special night open each month :) [21:45] the california team is also putting together some "stuff to do if you're here on weekends" and we may be doing some touristing then too, much more to do during the day [21:45] * greg-g nods [21:45] I've pretty much blocked off all my time in the weekends around UDS for this ;) [21:46] I'll also be doing an airport run at midnight on Saturday for at least one community member getting in super late [21:46] ups is finally here! [21:47] pleia2: so with the bart, would a $50 ticket be reasonable for a week? [21:48] AlanBell: are yout taking it to/from the airport? [21:48] that [21:48] 's almost just SFO <-> oakland :/ [21:49] (and which airport?) [21:49] yeah, airport to SF, maybe a cable car or streetcar or something, then oakland then whatever mooching about we do during the week, then back to the airport [21:49] SFO [21:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/uds-project/+bug/929014 has prices for transit, from SFO it's $8.40 [21:49] Launchpad bug 929014 in uds-project "Add public transit options to travel page" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [21:50] wait, I was wrong, it's ~$9 each way for SFO <-> Oakland [21:50] AlanBell: cable car and street cars are a separate transit system :( you need MUNI tickets [21:50] oh I thought it was all on the rfid card thing [21:50] AlanBell: ah, yes, you can get a clipper card [21:51] clipper [21:51] AlanBell: but they don't work on Cable Cars yet, still need to do cash unless you have a monthly pass [21:51] they work on street cars [21:51] and each person needs to have a card, can't share [21:52] pleia2, I was looking at getting a clipper card.. anyway to get one in advance? [21:52] balloons: yeah, and if you order online they are free :) [21:53]