[00:37] <orionsonofneptun> hey
[00:38] <orionsonofneptun> channel is dead
[00:43] <bryceh> orionsonofneptun, desrt probably went to bed ;-)
[00:44] <orionsonofneptun> hmm no late nighters here
[00:55] <desrt> bryceh: eh?
[00:55] <orionsonofneptun> try #techtalk101
[00:57] <TheMuso> It is still day time for some, a work day for many, and those who work on Ubuntu in this timezone tend to be busy with things that don't require chatter on IRC. :)
[01:14] <TheMuso> bryceh, RAOF, have either of you seen bug 959928? If so, can I consider it under review/taken care of? If not, who would like to be subscribed?
[01:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 959928 in xorg-server "Driver fallback for ARM loads the vendor driver twice and gets invalidated with the error" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959928
[01:14] <TheMuso> I'd consider sponsoring, but you guys know the code better, and there is the git repo in Debian to be updated... :)
[01:15] <RAOF> TheMuso: I can handle that if you're patch-piloting.
[01:15] <TheMuso> I am patch piloting.
[01:15] <RAOF> It looks correct to me.
[01:16] <TheMuso> Ok cool.
[01:17] <TheMuso> RAOF: So do you want me to do anything with that?
[01:17] <RAOF> I'll handle it.
[01:18] <Guest22703> cyphermox: do you have an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~tkluck/ubuntu/precise/gnome-shell/lp883443/+merge/98471
[01:20] <cyphermox> yes.
[01:22] <jbicha> ah, that's better, good evening cyphermox
[01:22] <TheMuso> RAOF: Thanks.
[01:22] <cyphermox> Guest72586: ah, hey
[01:22] <cyphermox> so, I do have an opinion, not sure what it is yet.
[01:23] <TheMuso> jbicha_: I just threw a gnome-shell sponsorship request your way, if you could have a look at it, that would be much appreciated.
[01:23] <jbicha_> TheMuso: and I just deferred it to cyphermox :)
[01:23] <TheMuso> jbicha_: heh ok. :)
[01:23] <cyphermox> it's unclear to me that this is really needed. I certainly don't recall the network disconnected notification to be any special
[01:23] <cyphermox> although if it's not disappearing there's definitely an issue
[01:24] <cyphermox> jbicha_: TheMuso: I'll look at it in a minute, just trying to get a weird IP address check right
[01:24] <jbicha_> I believe it disappears if you click it or something, I'm running Unity this week for Docs
[01:25] <cyphermox> right, I haven't loaded up shell in a while but planned to today
[01:26] <TheMuso> No hurry, I just referred to you guys during my pilot session.
[01:29] <cyphermox> ok
[01:29] <cyphermox> let it be on record that I truly hate manually converting ip address structs to strings ;)
[01:30] <TheMuso> heh
[01:36] <jalcine> lol
[04:36] <orionsonofneptun> anyone here
[04:36] <orionsonofneptun> hey top
[04:37] <orionsonofneptun> try #techtalk101
[05:55] <didrocks> good morning
[05:56] <desrt> didrocks: hello!
[05:56] <didrocks> desrt: hey ;) kind of late for you!
[05:56] <desrt> indeed
[05:57] <didrocks> still on this g-c-c/g-s-d stuff? :)
[05:57] <desrt> it would be a lot easier if you'd upgrade metacity =)
[06:00] <kenvandine> good morning didrocks
[06:00] <didrocks> hey kenvandine ;)
[06:03] <desrt> kenvandine: late, isn't it? :)
[06:04] <kenvandine> desrt, don't remind me :)
[06:06] <desrt> didrocks: why gtk_range_get_event_window()?
[06:15] <kenvandine> hehe... mterry said "This yak is big" is a merge proposal
[06:28] <didrocks> desrt: missing context :)
[06:38] <desrt> didrocks: you added a vendor patch to gtk
[06:38] <desrt> no explanation, no upstream bug link
[06:38] <didrocks> is it really me? /me looks :)
[06:38] <desrt> 075_expose_gdkwidget_for_gtkrange.patch
[06:38] <desrt> From: Didier Roche <didrocks@ubuntu.com>
[06:38] <desrt> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:54:44 +0200
[06:39] <didrocks> yeah, it's a patch from Cody I guess
[06:40] <didrocks> oh I remember now
[06:40] <didrocks> desrt: hey ;) kind of late for you!https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=631695
[06:40] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 631695 in gtk "[GSEAL] no API to get event_window from GtkRange" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:40] <didrocks> see the bug above  ^
[06:40] <didrocks> there is a bug linked, which has the upstream link :p
[06:41] <didrocks> I did this in the gtk2 -> gtk3 transition for hooking again ido
[06:41] <didrocks> http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=171960
[06:41] <didrocks> for the git-format patch
[07:07] <pitti> Good morning
[07:07] <ricotz> pitti, good morning
[07:08] <ricotz> pitti, i hope you are feeling better?
[07:08] <pitti> slightly, thanks; the fever is gone
[07:08] <pitti> still feeling a bit weak
[07:09] <ricotz> sounds promising though
[07:09] <ricotz> so take it easy today
[07:13] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[07:14] <didrocks> happy that you are feeling better, take it easy for today :)
[07:14] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: merci :)
[07:14] <didrocks> de rien :)
[07:18] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I seem to recall that you had a schedule somewhere for when unity versions would land?
[07:18] <rickspencer3> if so, could you please paste me a link when you get a free moment?
[07:21] <didrocks> rickspencer3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/ReleaseSchedule
[07:21] <didrocks> the 5.10 release is not set yet on the schedule
[07:21] <didrocks> (and maybe a 5.12 depending on how 5.8 goes)
[07:29] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[07:29] <didrocks> yw :)
[07:29] <rickspencer3> didrocks, so, a release is due this week?
[07:29] <rickspencer3> are you getting ample support for testing it?
[07:29] <didrocks> rickspencer3: well, there are still branches that are to be delivered
[07:30] <didrocks> despite some emails from Monday asking for getting things in/reviewed
[07:30] <rickspencer3> so it may not make beta 2 freeze?
[07:30] <didrocks> and upstream tests done
[07:30] <didrocks> so I guess we can't crowdsource the testing
[07:30] <rickspencer3> I think it means that we can't test it, unless we get an exception for beta 2 freeze
[07:30] <didrocks> and I'm trying to get some dx people to help testing then
[07:31] <didrocks> to still be on time
[07:31] <didrocks> but right now, I don't get a lot of answers…
[07:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[08:00] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[08:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, I have done Ubuntu-only uploads of cups and cups-filters yesterday, but now I need cups-filters 1.0.7 (ready on BZR) to be uploaded to Debian as on the #ghostscript channel a Debian user showed up and needs to debug a problem. 1.0.7 contains a debug mode which we need.
[08:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: sure, can upload it
[08:02] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, thanks.
[08:17] <rickspencer3> is anybody else finding the overlay scrollbars to be jankier than usual in 12.04 these days?
[08:17] <rickspencer3> I assume it's track pad related
[08:17] <pitti> sometimes I find them a bit erratic, but I can't put my finger on what exactly
[08:23] <pitti> tkamppeter: uploaded, synced
[08:31] <pitti> didrocks: gnome-themes-standard wasn't syncable?
[08:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, thanks.
[08:31] <pitti> didrocks: and gnome-system-monitor not mergeable?
[08:33] <didrocks> pitti: we weren't in sync for gnome-themes-standard, so I didn't really look TBH
[08:33] <pitti> ah, I expect that Debian's 3.3.92-1 shouldn't be much different from our's
[08:33] <didrocks> and same for g-s-t
[08:33] <didrocks> shouldn't, yeah
[08:34] <didrocks> i can have a look later today
[08:34] <pitti> g-s-t probaly has a lp-i patch (thus merge)
[08:34] <didrocks> I tried to get the max update I could do in the morning before the pingy machine is back
[08:34] <didrocks> (which is the case now)
[08:59] <seb128> hey
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va?
[08:59] <seb128> oh, a pitti!
[08:59] <pitti> seb128: great work on 3.3.92!
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, hey, ca va bien ! what about you ?
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, didrocks: thanks for dealing with the remaining updates
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: you are way off on the bug counter now :) great work
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: the fever is gone, so I'm back
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, great
[09:00] <pitti> doing a few updates ATM
[09:01] <thumper> pitti: I'm pleased you are feeling better
[09:01] <seb128> pitti, bug counter: yeah, I collect some GNOME 3.3.92 extra points, though I would have happily shared some of the 40 updates I did in 2 days and the attached bugs
[09:01] <seb128> collected
[09:01] <seb128> well, at least it's mostly done now ;-)
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: yw ;) salut!
[09:01] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: yeah, sorry :/ bad infection
[09:02] <pitti> seb128: my teeth are relatively fine, I guess I caught an infection during the operation or so
[09:02] <pitti> I updated the pad for the things I'm working on
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, nothing to be sorry about, I'm glad your fever is gone, the infection probably tamed down
[09:02]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:02]  * pitti hugs back seb128
[09:06] <pitti> seb128: hm, did you remove gedit-plugins from the pad?
[09:07] <pitti> or was that me, accidentally?
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, yes, I saw that "Andrew Starr-Bochicchio" did it this night on -changes
[09:07] <seb128> cheese as well
[09:07] <pitti> hm, we have 3.2.2
[09:07] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gedit-plugins/3.3.4-0ubuntu1
[09:07] <pitti> err, sorry, that was eog-plugins
[09:07] <seb128> ?
[09:08] <pitti> nevermind me
[09:08] <seb128> pitti, ok, all good, eog-plugins is still to do
[09:08] <pitti> seb128: I just did that one
[09:08] <seb128> gedit-plugins could also probably be done in debian and synced I think
[09:08] <pitti> gedit itself isn't in experimental yet
[09:08] <seb128> but well we have the current version now so we can wait as well
[09:08] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, so yeah, let's wait
[09:09] <pitti> I'll grab some more
[09:09] <seb128> pitti, btw we can probably delete gnome-utils from the archive now
[09:09] <seb128> we got the remaining standalone components yesterday
[09:12] <seb128> didrocks, the zg updates are published in Debian if you want to sync them
[09:13] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I'll do that in a few, still on the morning discussion pre-unity preparation
[09:13] <seb128> didrocks, no hury
[09:14] <seb128> pitti, ok, I reviewed version and put a few extra side updates on the pad but I think we covered all the important updates, those are bonus
[09:14] <pitti> seb128: there is the gnome-utils binary package, and g-u-common
[09:14] <seb128> pitti, -common is deprecated, libgdict-common conflicts with it
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: don't we need a transitional gnome-utils package for upgrades?
[09:15] <seb128> pitti, do we care about the dummy gnome-utils for updates?
[09:15] <seb128> ok
[09:15] <seb128> I will fix gnome-utils to drop the other binaries and keep the dummy for this cycle then
[09:15] <seb128> we can drop it after the lts
[09:15] <pitti> seb128: I'm not sure; but if lucid doesn't have all the split out binary packages, we do
[09:15] <seb128> pitti, it doesn't
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: ah, it doesn't, so we need it, yes
[09:16] <seb128> so yeah, let's do that
[09:16] <seb128> I will drop the remaining binaries and keep the transitional one, then we can drop it when q opens
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:20] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[09:21] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[09:21] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:21] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, didrocks
[09:24] <didrocks> pitti: can you have a look at bugs #921506 and bug #960498 please?
[09:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 921506 in unity "[FFe, UIFe] HUD - The HUD does not respect launcher autohide or icon size settings" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921506
[09:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960498 in activity-log-manager "[UIFe] Blacklisted special folder icons (from nautilus). Upload activity-log-manager 0.9.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960498
[09:24] <didrocks> they are already approved by the doc team
[09:27] <pitti> didrocks: done
[09:28] <didrocks> thanks pitti
[09:53] <pitti> seb128: hm, do you happen to know about bug 106995 ?
[09:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 106995 in vte "gnome-terminal unconditionally interprets mouse wheel events" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106995
[09:53] <pitti> seb128: vte3 has a patch which adds a new property for this
[09:53] <pitti> but the patch doesn't do anything by itself
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, no, first time I read about it sorry
[09:53] <pitti> something like gnome-terminal actually needs to call the new function (set alternate scroll)
[09:54] <pitti> and the bug still seems to be present
[09:54] <pitti> I'm inclined to just drop the patch
[09:54] <pitti> seb128: ok
[09:54] <seb128> pitti, dropping the patch works for me
[09:54] <pitti> it's the only remaining delta with Debian exp, I merged the rest
[09:55] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am out of ideas for bug 958586. there is a "|| true" there now: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-openoffice/libreoffice.git;a=blob;f=libreoffice-common.postinst.in;h=e3e776da172964a26e7379da2f7895f860657787;hb=f621e552267e31081641ade7976165a89a1d9ead, but it still fails.
[09:55] <seb128> drop it! ;-)
[09:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 958586 in libreoffice "package libreoffice-common 1:3.4.4-0ubuntu1 [modified: usr/share/doc/libreoffice-common/copyright] failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 134 zurück (dup-of: 916291)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958586
[09:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 916291 in libreoffice "failed to upgrade from Oneiric to Precise: ERROR: Cannot determine language! - exit status 134" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916291
[09:56] <Sweetshark> pitti: I not getting what in the world of dpkg actually triggers the $WHATEVER that fails there ...
[09:56] <seb128> pitti, stupid retracer env question, what do I need to do to be able to run the scripts again?
[09:57] <pitti> seb128: PYTHONPATH=apport  I guess
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, that's not enough, I get launchpadlib.errors still missing
[09:57] <pitti> seb128: dchroot into oneiric
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, that did it, thanks
[09:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, no offhand idea right now; need to look into this further, but need to run to doctor appointment in 5 mins
[10:00] <pitti> so, see you later!
[10:01] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, chrisccoulson: retracers bugs with the most dups since the 03/10: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/893397/
[10:02] <seb128> just a piece of info
[10:02] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[10:02] <seb128> the first column is the number of dups
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[10:12] <seb128> pitti, you won bug #948663
[10:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948663 in udisks "udisks-daemon crashed with signal 5 in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948663
[10:13] <seb128> pitti, (trying to get the most frequent segfault assigned)
[10:19] <seb128> bryceh, RAOF: bug #943880 still get daily duplicates
[10:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 943880 in xorg-server "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in __libc_message() from XIDestroyDeviceProperty" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/943880
[10:19] <seb128> I set back it back from incomplete to new
[10:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: k, thanks.
[10:36] <mpt> Is gnome-utils-common supposed to be removed by updates?
[10:37] <seb128> mpt, yes
[10:37] <mpt> thanks :-)
[10:38] <seb128> mpt, yw
[10:38] <seb128> mpt, each gnome-utils component has its own source now so the bundle "gnome-utils" is deprecated
[10:38] <seb128> you will get gnome-dictionary, etc instead
[10:38] <mpt> excellent
[10:39] <mpt> Each split like that avoids a strange "These things will be removed as well" dialog when you try to uninstall part of the bundle in Ubuntu Software Center :-)
[10:40] <seb128> hehe
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: bug stats> merci
[11:37] <seb128> pitti, de rien ;-)
[11:37] <pitti> will look at the udisks ones
[11:37] <pitti> vte3 upstream FTBFS with separate build tree, argh; /me fixes
[11:40] <pitti> nice, seems we are in sync with quite a lot of gnome packages again
[11:41] <seb128> indeed
[11:41] <seb128> we can probably increase the syncs after precise
[11:42] <seb128> some are good to sync but debian multiarched them
[11:42] <seb128> or it's a bit late to multiarch libs now in precise
[11:42] <pitti> is it?
[11:42] <seb128> well, I leaned toward being conservative
[11:42] <pitti> I thought at this point it's "catch as much as we can", as long as it's not something more complicated lice multi-arched plugin paths
[11:42] <seb128> but maybe that's not needed ;-)
[11:42] <seb128> like vala-0.16 could be synced I think
[11:43] <pitti> we get a lot of "plz multiarch this" from canonical as well
[11:43] <seb128> or gtksourceview3 got multiarched in debian
[11:43] <seb128> pitti, ok, I will try to have a look to the few of those I skipped then ;-)
[12:04] <pitti> didrocks: want me to grab the gnome-themes-standard update from you? I'd do it in debian and sync
[12:05] <didrocks> pitti: sure, please go ahead ;)
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, re themes, Debian doesn't put the a11y themes in a different binary IIRC
[12:16] <pitti> ah, ok
[12:16] <pitti> will update in Debian and merge then
[12:16] <seb128> maybe they would be wanting to do it
[12:17] <seb128> though I guess in that case they would have the standard theme depends on a11y which would still be a diff
[12:17] <pitti> asking on #debian-gnome
[12:17] <pitti> it would make our delta much smaller
[12:17] <pitti>  gnome-accessibility-themes | 2.30.2-1 | sid     | all
[12:17] <pitti> and also would fix this
[12:19] <pitti> seb128: but I see nothing wrong with gnome-themes-standard recommending or depending on gnome-accessibility-themes
[12:19] <seb128> pitti, right, sorry, it's the other way around for us, we just pull in -a11y
[12:19] <seb128> so that would work
[12:22] <xclaesse> I was wondering if ubuntu precise already has the needed stuff to run gnome-shell with software opengl?
[12:22] <xclaesse> to run on qemu for example
[12:23] <pitti> xclaesse: it should
[12:23] <pitti> xclaesse: unity-3d runs in kvm
[12:24] <pitti> xclaesse: that's the LLVM pipe renderer in mesa
[12:24] <xclaesse> nice
[12:52] <jibel> with latest updates, comments in desktop files are displayed in the label of desktop icons. Is it expected or a known bug ?
[12:52] <jibel> for example on a live session the install icon is labeled "Install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Install this system permanently on your hard drive"
[12:52] <seb128> jibel, known bug
[12:52] <jibel> seb128, bug number ?
[12:52] <seb128> jibel, dunno, I saw it being discussed on #nautilus yesterday
[12:53] <jibel> seb128, I'll search lp
[12:53] <seb128> where upstream was part of the discussion
[12:53] <jibel> thanks
[12:53] <seb128> jibel, yw
[13:26] <asac> seb128: didrocks: just to confirm how happy i am that i have ctrl+alt back: the keyboard I bought one week ago doesnt have a windows key at all ... fun
[13:27] <seb128> asac, ;-)
[13:27] <didrocks> heh ;)
[13:27] <asac> http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/4100/index.htm
[13:28] <asac> and no, i didnt even think about checking whether it had such a key
[13:28] <asac> Features: "Optional “Non-Windows” Key Layout" ... seems i got one of those :)
[13:30] <asac> while i am here ... any bustage in the archive atm? /me types dist-upgrade
[13:42] <mterry> I feel like we ended up taking more of GNOME 3.4 this cycle than I thought we would
[13:45] <kenvandine> good morning mterry
[13:46] <kenvandine> mterry, your merge proposal, even though it is marked as a work in progress do you still want a review?
[13:46]  * kenvandine loved the  comment on it..  "This yak is big" :-D
[13:48] <seb128> lol
[13:48] <mterry> kenvandine, sure, I think this is the solution I'll end up using.  The remaining issue is that while you will correctly not get prompted for root password, you will also not get notified about failure to restore files that need root permission (so you'll get a false positive restore, which is bad).  Working on that bit, but if you could review the branch as is, would be helpful, yeah  :)
[13:48] <seb128> hey kenvandine, mterry
[13:48] <kenvandine> mterry, will do
[13:48] <mterry> kenvandine, if you loved my verbose comments in unity-greeter, you'll love this branch
[13:48] <kenvandine> i noticed already :)
[13:48] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[13:48] <kenvandine> you wrote a book in there :)
[13:49] <mterry> kenvandine, all for "needs_root = false"  :)
[13:49] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:49] <desrt> mterry: MOAR!!!
[13:49] <ricotz> seb128, hi, do you like to see a gnome-session update?
[13:50] <desrt> mterry: see? :)
[13:50] <seb128> ricotz, hi, why?
[13:50] <desrt> ricotz: great timing, btw :)
[13:50] <seb128> ricotz, there was no interesting change this cycle iirc
[13:50] <mterry> desrt, was that your yak impression?  :)
[13:50] <desrt> mterry: in response to <mterry> I feel like we ended up taking more of GNOME 3.4 this cycle than I thought we would
[13:50] <ricotz> seb128, i see, so no risky changes in you opinion then?
[13:50] <desrt> just as ricotz asks for a gnome-session bump :)
[13:51] <ricotz> seb128, while it is part of 3.4 ;)
[13:51] <ricotz> desrt, you were about to ask this too?
[13:51] <ricotz> ;)
[13:51] <mterry> ah yes.  :)  I wanted to stay on 3.2.  Hell, I wouldn't have minded backsliding to 3.2!  I like known bugs
[13:51] <mterry> I mean backsliding to 3.0
[13:51] <desrt> mterry: there is a very long tradition of me (and others) abusing seb to take newer versions than he wanted to at the start of the cycle
[13:52] <mterry> desrt, the man is too trusting
[13:53] <desrt> mterry: there's no trust being violated.  he knows it will happen.  :)
[13:53] <seb128> ricotz, I see no benefit either
[13:54] <desrt> mterry: (you're witnessing the pushback phase)
[13:54]  * mterry brings out popcorn
[13:54] <seb128> lol
[13:54] <desrt> seb128: come on... you were the one telling me yesterday about numbers
[13:54] <desrt> 3.4 > 3.2
[13:54] <desrt> "GREATER than"
[13:55] <desrt> mterry: (irrefutable quasi-logic phase)
[13:56] <seb128> desrt, well, that works for decent softwares
[13:56] <seb128> GNOME doesn't count stability, they count bugs though
[13:57] <desrt> mterry: (friendly barbs phase)
[13:57] <seb128> so > means buggier ;-)
[13:57] <desrt> seb128: don't you trust ricotz?
[13:57]  * mterry wants GNOME to hurry up and become an actual OS so it will have LTS cycles
[13:58] <desrt> i mean... has he ever done anything to hurt you?
[13:58] <seb128> desrt, lol
[13:58] <seb128> desrt, fix your HUD bugs instead of trolling :p
[13:59] <desrt> looks like some nice bugfixes/features in here
[13:59] <desrt> like a new gnome.fallback kernel commandline parameter
[14:00] <ricotz> seb128, does this mean you would take a look at a debdiff?
[14:00] <seb128> ricotz, file a ffe with a rational and subscribe release-team
[14:01] <davmor2> desrt: isn't gnomes.fallback kernel likely to be the hurd do we really want to go there? :D
[14:01] <seb128> ricotz, I don't see a point for the update, last time I looked at it there was only commits for systemd support and that introduced regressions
[14:01] <seb128> it seems like work and regression potential for 0 use
[14:01] <desrt> davmor2: no... i think it's so you can boot your system with gnome.fallback=1 on the commandline and get 2D
[14:01] <desrt> useful of 3D will crash your machine
[14:01] <desrt> *if
[14:02] <desrt> seb128: you're actually right on this one, though
[14:02] <ricotz> seb128, ok, i will just push it gnome3 ppa then
[14:02] <desrt> there are some very very minor additions here other than the systemd stuff
[14:02] <seb128> ricotz, why? what's the point?
[14:02] <desrt> and obviously the systemd stuff is no benefit to us, but some risk
[14:03] <ricotz> desrt, hmm
[14:03] <seb128> ricotz, does anyone cares about systemd support in the GNOME3 ppa? it's not like that was the only bit missing for systemd support in Ubuntu
[14:04] <seb128> I doubt mean lts users will want to switch their system to systemd
[14:04] <seb128> they would to enable systemd support in a bunch of GNOME tarballs where we didn't turn it on as well
[14:04] <desrt> seb128: i suspect this question will become far more interesting next cycle
[14:04] <seb128> desrt, right, I'm happy to update gnome-session next cycle ;-)
[14:04] <seb128> I just don't see what we have to win to do it now
[14:04]  * desrt expects an early PPA with systemd in it
[14:04] <desrt> (one way or the other)
[14:06] <desrt> seb128: btw: can you drop 061_multiarch_module_fallback.patch in gtk?
[14:06] <ricotz> seb128, alright, you made your point clear
[14:06] <seb128> desrt, you got pinged by olli for meeting in case you don't read other channels
[14:06] <seb128> desrt, let me check, I guess so
[14:07] <seb128> ricotz, ;-)
[14:07] <ricotz> seb128, this is more for good measure to have it updated and getting tested to gnome3 ppa seems reasonable
[14:07] <seb128> ricotz, ok, your call
[14:07] <jbicha_> I'm sure there's a dozen people that want systemd in Ubuntu
[14:07] <seb128> I doubt users are really interested in it
[14:07] <jbicha_> good morning
[14:07] <seb128> hey jbicha_, how are you?
[14:07] <seb128> desrt, read me
[14:08] <seb128> desrt, ok, good, you replied ;-)
[14:11] <ricotz> seb128, pushed. let the user complains come ;)
[14:11] <seb128> ;-)
[14:11] <ricotz> seb128, g-k seems to run fairly well too, besides xclaesse' issue
[14:13] <seb128> ricotz, yeah, we decided that one was too risky weeks ago
[14:13] <ricotz> i know
[14:14] <ricotz> seb128, wayland can come now :P
[14:16] <seb128> lol
[15:17] <seb128> desrt, bug #960757, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97677128/Stacktrace.txt ... does it seems like a gio issue or a program issue to you?
[15:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960757 in whoopsie-daisy "whoopsie crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_newv()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960757
[15:18] <desrt> this stacktrace is giving me deja vu
[15:18] <desrt> i think i had that turning up in valgrind at some point
[15:18] <seb128> desrt, you have a lot of deja vu recently ;-)
[15:18] <desrt> but i looked at the code and decided that it couldn't possibly be a problem
[15:18] <desrt> let me look again
[15:19] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[15:19] <desrt> so this is not the same bug
[15:20] <desrt> the one i saw was a few lines down
[15:20] <desrt> but it was another case of a crash inside GString as called by the default log handler
[15:29] <desrt> seb128: my verdict here is memory corruption
[15:29] <desrt> seb128: g_slice_alloc() is returning some bullshit
[15:30] <seb128> desrt, ok, thanks for looking at it, I transmitted the comment to ev on #ubuntu-devel
[15:43] <seb128> desrt, so, how is your gsd overrides stuff working
[15:43] <seb128> desrt, should "gsettings set': gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings  overrides "{ 'Gtk/ShellShowsAppMenu': < 1 >}"" do something?
[15:43] <desrt> yes
[15:44] <desrt> it should hide the menus, even if unity is not running
[15:44] <desrt> then <0> should show them, even if unity _is_ running
[15:44] <seb128> desrt, 0 doesn't show them under unity
[15:45] <desrt> oh
[15:45] <seb128> but maybe it's the appmenu-gtk stuff kicking in?
[15:45] <desrt> sorry -- the gtk dbusmenu patch uses the ShellShowsMenubar property, rather
[15:45] <desrt> AppMenu is only for GMenuModel apps
[15:46] <seb128> desrt, same difference
[15:46] <seb128> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xsettings  overrides "{ 'Gtk/ShellShowsMenuBar': < 0 >}"
[15:46] <seb128> or < 1 >
[15:46] <seb128> -> no difference
[15:47] <desrt> so that's worrying.
[15:47] <desrt> no it's not :p
[15:47] <desrt> Menubar
[15:47] <desrt> not MenuBar
[15:48] <seb128> desrt, doh, that works
[15:48] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:48] <desrt> no worries
[15:48] <desrt> glad you're enjoying the patch =)
[15:49] <seb128> ;-)
[15:50] <desrt> the logic is that the property represents if the _shell_ shows the menubar
[15:50] <desrt> ie: if the shell shows it, there is no need for the app to do so
[15:50] <desrt> so you force the menu shown in the app by telling "the shell is not showing it"
[15:50] <desrt> (0)
[16:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: around?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> although, starting to feel like i want to hang myself ;)
[16:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it's just been confirmed to be in 5.6 as well, but can you try to reproduce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/961338
[16:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 961338 in unity "Filters not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i get that here
[16:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks for confirming
[17:46] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:46] <bcurtiswx> night pitti
[17:49] <seb128> 'night pitti
[18:05]  * didrocks waves good night
[18:05] <bcurtiswx> g'night didrocks
[18:05] <didrocks> bye bcurtiswx ;)
[18:07] <jbicha_> seb128: is the Epiphany quicklist proposal too late for Precise?
[18:13] <seb128> jbicha_, we said we wouldn't take those for universe since they can't be translated
[18:13] <seb128> jbicha_, we don't have rosetta, langpacks for universe
[18:19] <seb128> grrr, I can't believe it's 2012 and I can't close my docked laptop lid without having my laptop to hang
[18:24] <jbicha_> seb128: that's what I thought
[18:25] <jbicha_> seb128: should we disable suspend by default too? ;)
[18:25] <seb128> it's docked with an external screen, it was not going to suspend
[18:25] <seb128> it was "just" a xrandr call
[18:25] <seb128> we should maybe disable resolution changes ;-)
[18:31] <topyli> speaking of epiphany, i often am unable to select text, or maybe it ignores my mouse altogether
[18:31] <topyli> i have no idea how to report this bug. "epiphany does not work" :)
[18:32] <seb128> "use firefox" ;-)
[18:32] <topyli> i am :)
[18:33] <seb128> desrt, can you maybe help to debug bug #961442 by asking some questions?
[18:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 961442 in unity "hud-service uses too much CPU time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/961442
[18:33] <topyli> but epiphany is pretty damn wonderful in this new incarnation of gnome
[18:34] <seb128> topyli, well, I wouldn't use epiphany as my web browser in any case seeing how often webkit-gtk gets security updates
[18:35] <topyli> yes it is a bit sad
[18:35] <micahg>  seb128: that will be fixed soon hopefully :)
[18:35] <seb128> micahg, that would be great ;-)
[18:35] <dobey> micahg: it will start just releasing new major versions every few weeks too, and we'll backport them to all versions of ubuntu? :)
[18:36] <topyli> heh
[18:36] <topyli> sounds like a plan!
[18:36] <dobey> hrmm, so epiphany does indeed not work
[18:36] <dobey> why is that
[18:37] <micahg> dobey: that doesn't work easily when something has a lot of reverse dependencies :)
[18:37] <topyli> no idea. i suspect it's webkit
[18:38] <dobey> topyli: why do you suspect that?
[18:38] <jbicha_> it works here, but I'm running 3.3.92 which I just uploaded
[18:38] <jbicha_> not sure if 3.3.91 stopped working or not
[18:38] <dobey> jbicha_: whatever version i have installed isn't opening a window
[18:38] <topyli> dobey: just because it's the content, not the chrome that's broken. i'm not going to try and claim i know anything, it's just a feeling :)
[18:39] <dobey> topyli: well, rhythmbox is working fine
[18:40] <topyli> it is
[18:40] <dobey> and it's using the same webkit as epiphany
[18:40] <topyli> i didn't know rhythmbox had something to do with webkit
[18:40] <dobey> some of the extensions use it
[18:40] <topyli> well, the stores and stuff
[18:41] <dobey> the ubuntu one store looks fine to me
[18:41] <cyphermox> desrt: hey
[18:41] <cyphermox> desrt: have an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~tkluck/ubuntu/precise/gnome-shell/lp883443/+merge/98471 ?
[18:41] <jbicha_> ooh, wow, Google services look bad, it's got the Chromium-style scrollbar & the Ubuntu overlay scrollbar
[18:42] <cyphermox> seems to me like fine, but I use gnome-shell about once a month, and don't know much about the design decisions for notifications there. I'm hoping you know more about that than I do
[18:43] <dobey> jbicha_: in epiphany?
[18:45] <topyli> looks like epiphany works fine when you first open a page, and maybe the next one. along the way it loses touch with your pointer somehow. it's very weird
[18:45] <topyli> i'm on an old macbook, dunno how the hardware affects this
[19:35] <mterry> oh haha
[19:36] <mterry> I thought B2 was tomorrow, but it's just the freeze.   Things make a lot more sense now
[19:38] <seb128> mterry, crawl back from under your rock :p
[19:39] <mterry> seb128, I was fixing unity-greeter crashes!  some thanks...  :)
[19:39] <seb128> mterry, oh, I assigned you one today!
[19:39] <mterry> that's the one
[19:39] <seb128> mterry, you are going to blame it on me right?
[19:39] <seb128> rrrrrright
[19:39] <seb128> ;-)
[19:40] <mterry> yeah, my branch just says "if (username == seb128) return;"
[19:40] <mterry> "no more bugs from him!"
[19:40] <seb128> we need to start translating variable to make those hacks harder for you americans :p
[20:36] <jalcine> Is anyone willing to help me test a speech-related application? It's at https://launchpad.net/speechcontrol.
[20:44] <kenvandine> seb128, valac is in NEW, can you help move it along?
[20:44] <kenvandine> breaking my builds now
[20:45] <broder> is anybody looking at the vte termcap handling regression?
[20:46] <seb128> kenvandine, done
[20:46] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[20:46] <seb128> yw
[20:53] <thumper> hi seb128 :)
[20:53] <jbicha_> broder: did you restart your terminal?
[20:53] <thumper> start of another day
[20:53] <broder> jbicha_: i opened new ones
[20:54] <seb128> thumper, hey
[20:54] <broder> jbicha_: do i need to kill them all off?
[20:54] <jbicha_> broder: that worked for me
[20:55] <broder> jbicha_: that makes sense. it looks like vte switched from shipping the termcap info in a file to shipping it embedded in the binary
[20:55] <broder> at least, that's my best interpretation of the diff
[20:56] <broder> much better. thanks for confirming my suspicions :)
[22:22] <thumper> hi people
[22:22] <thumper> I was wanting to upgrade my oneiric server
[22:22] <thumper> but it has got itself into a bit of a state
[22:22] <thumper> need to apt-get -f install
[22:22] <thumper> but that says it is failing due to...
[22:23] <thumper> unable to securely remove '/usrsrc/linux-headers...': Read-only file system
[22:23] <thumper> eh?
[22:23] <thumper> not sure where to go from here
[22:28] <JanC> remount filesystem r/w?
[22:28] <thumper> how can I easily tell how it is mounted?
[22:29] <thumper> I haven't done anything different from when this last worked
[22:29] <thumper> why would something suddenly become read only?
[22:29] <thumper> for me /usr is part of /
[22:30] <thumper> how can I tell how it is mounted? read-only or otherwise?
[22:30] <JanC> maybe check dmesg/syslog for an error why it got mounted ro
[22:31] <JanC> also, you better ask #ubuntu for support...
[22:31] <JanC> or #ubuntu+1
[22:34] <thumper> ok
[22:56] <dupondje> Its a known bug that titlebar/icons are broken on Gnome3 ? :)