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[01:57] <jbicha_> hmm, I just sat down to take screenshots for the 12.04 docs, but then I just realized we never got the default wallpaper yet :(
[01:57] <jbicha_> yeah, that Docs Freeze won't be happening Thursday
[04:21] <bkerensa> jbicha_: I got the e-mail.... Do we have wiki to do list so we can track who is working on what?
[04:28] <jbicha_> bkerensa: hi, no but we do now :) http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-docs-todo
[04:30] <jbicha_> well & there's also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Tasks but it's outdated
[04:30] <bkerensa> jbicha_: Also per your e-mail it does seem important that we have the new wallpaper soon for screens?
[04:31] <jbicha_> that's my opinion, but I'm sure it'll be a priority tomorrow now that I complained about it
[04:31] <bkerensa> jbicha_: I love how that works :)
[04:32] <bkerensa> jbicha_: I will go ahead and note stuff on the pad that I intend to work on
[04:32] <jbicha_> awesome, thanks
[04:32] <bkerensa> hopefully we can get this out the door soon after the scheduled freeze
[04:32] <bkerensa> jbicha_: am I submitting my merges for you to review?
[04:32] <jbicha_> I'll push a blog post as soon as I get an idea of how much time we have for contributions
[04:33] <jbicha_> you can propose merges against lp:ubuntu-docs or you can email patches to the docs list, whichever works better for you
[04:33] <bkerensa> k
[04:38] <bkerensa> jbicha_: is there any wysiwyg editor for mallard?
[04:39] <jbicha_> bkerensa: no, gedit works well
[04:39] <jbicha_> http://blogs.gnome.org/shaunm/files/2012/01/mallardcheatsheet.png
[04:40] <jbicha_> also, you might want to hang out in #docs on irc.gnome.org it's more active than this channel
[04:42] <jbicha_> that's a condensed version of http://projectmallard.org/
[04:43] <jbicha_> oh, actually there is an almost wysiwyg editor
[04:43] <jbicha_> yelp 3.3 now automatically refreshes pages when you save them
[04:44] <jbicha_> more like quick preview than wysiwyg I guess
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[15:55] <jbicha_> dpm: howdy
[15:58] <dpm> hey jbicha_, I was just replying to your last e-mail :)
[15:59] <jbicha_> oh ok
[16:00] <jbicha_> I did try looking for you on Monday but I guess you had the day off
[16:01] <dpm> yeah, it was bank holiday here
[16:06] <dpm> jbicha_, I'll ask the question on the mailing list too, but now that you're here and if you've got 5 mins for me: could you tell me, roughly, how will the docs change if you guys get an extra week? I'm trying to find out which pages might be subject to "soft freeze" as you mention, and in particular which Unity-related mallard pages might be added or modified
[16:14] <jbicha_> dpm: it depends on how much time we have, I don't think the translators should have less than 2 weeks
[16:15] <jbicha_> if we can use the LanguagePackTranslationDeadline instead, then there's a little bit of room to work with
[16:17] <dpm> jbicha_, yeah, I agree. On a conversation on #ubuntu-release, it seems that the release team would agree on that too. The only question is whether you guys could do the fetching of translations and upload by LanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[16:17] <jbicha_> this is a rough brainstrom I put together last night of some of the things that would be nice to have: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-docs-todo
[16:18] <jbicha_> dpm: fetching translations and uploading isn't too complicated, is it?
[16:19] <dpm> wow, good work on the pad, that looks good!
[16:20] <dpm> I've added a note on translated screenshots
[16:20] <jbicha_> thanks, should have been doing this sooner, but Desktop team stuff is interesting to me too & has kept me busy
[16:20] <dpm> :)
[16:22] <dpm> jbicha_, fetching translations is not complicated at all, it's just not very automatic, as you need to request the export from Launchpad, wait for an e-mail with an url to download translations, and then ensure that they are put in the right places in the tree
[16:22] <dpm> as per the upload, I believe that for someone experienced in packaging it shouldn't be complex, either
[16:23] <dpm> wrt translations you just need to ensure that the translated docs are built from the .po files, but I guess this happens automatically during the build
[16:24] <jbicha_> ok, mdke usually handles that, but I'd like to learn more
[16:25] <jbicha_> the Docs team generally has been too busy to do much documenting of our own practices
[16:25] <dpm> I think there was some documentation about that on the wiki, but I'm not sure if it's up to date. Let me see if I can find it
[16:25] <jbicha_> like I use meld to merge from GNOME, but I think most people haven't even used meld
[16:26] <dpm> I do, meld is awesome!
[16:26] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Translation
[16:27] <dpm> but it seems it's not yet been updated with Mallard info
[16:38] <jbicha_> dpm: oh, and also I've been wondering how easy it is to fix a typo without forcing translators to re-translate that string
[16:39] <dpm> jbicha_, it is possible, it just requires some extra work:
[16:40] <dpm> 1. Fix the typo on the docs
[16:40] <dpm> 2. Apply the same fix to the .pot file and all the .po files
[16:40] <dpm> 3. Upload
[16:44] <jbicha_> ok, I'll give that a try next time & just ping you if I get stuck
[16:48] <dpm> sure, just ping me any time
[17:06] <jbicha_> dpm: so if we froze docs on Tuesday, that should give 3 weeks to translators
[17:08] <jbicha_> maybe the following weekend we might make some more changes but submit a Doc Freeze Exception bug to go with it
[17:08] <jbicha_> which will give Release Team & Translators the chance to approve or reject
[17:09] <jbicha_> & that will be at the 2 week limit which I see as a hard deadline
[17:29] <dpm> jbicha_, right, 3 weeks would sound about right, assuming we're pushing the translation deadline too as discussed. I would keep the new freeze to be on a Thursday as usual, which should give you a couple of extra days
[17:32] <jbicha_> well, I'll be swamped next Tues-Thursday for the conference we're putting on (posscon.org)
[17:33] <jbicha_> & the nice thing about a Mon or Tues freeze is we can still make Beta 2
[21:17] <MrChrisDruif> Hi everyone, does anyone know what is already documented about LightDM?
[21:28] <bkerensa> MrChrisDruif: Have you grabbed the ubuntu-doc branch?
[21:28] <jbicha_> MrChrisDruif: ubuntu-help/C/shell-guest-session.page is all we got
[21:28] <jbicha_> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/precise/view/head:/ubuntu-help/C/shell-guest-session.page
[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> bkerensa; nope
[21:29] <jbicha_> I think it needs a gsettings override to disable the guest session in 12.04
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah probably, but I was looking for more user orientated docs
[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> Like "How do I switch to a different session"
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> help.ubuntu.com kind of stuff ^_^
[21:31] <jbicha_> MrChrisDruif: are you looking for help or are you looking to help? :)
[21:32] <MrChrisDruif> I am looking for help ;-)
[21:36] <jbicha_> MrChrisDruif: you just click the little icon next to your name to switch sessions
[21:36] <jbicha_> anyway, I've got to go
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> TTYL jbicha_
[23:15] <skaet> Hi everyone,  was looking at schedules trying to jugging things for the requested Documentation Freeze Exception and found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ReleaseSchedule,  which is a little out of date right now ;).   Would anyone mind if I go and update it to what we're looking at in Precise right now?  or does someone want to volunteer to take the first pass, and I'll add the tweaks in later?