[05:31] <orionsonofneptun> anyone there
[15:34] <thelinuxer> hi czajkowski
[15:35] <thelinuxer> czajkowski: what I was asking if there were some log on launchpad where I can see who did what ?
[15:36] <thelinuxer> actions like adding  a mailing list, changing team details, approving members ..etc
[15:36] <thelinuxer> czajkowski: please ping me when u read this
[15:36] <czajkowski> thelinuxer: this is the wrong channel can you please join #launchpad
[16:03] <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 21 16:03:51 2012 UTC.  The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:04]  * balloons waves
[16:04] <balloons> who's all about?
[16:04] <astraljava> o/
[16:05] <balloons> ok, well let's get started..
[16:05] <balloons> hopefully there are a few other lurkers..
[16:06] <astraljava> It'll be a short one if there aren't...
[16:06] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous actions
[16:06] <balloons> indeed ;-)
[16:06] <balloons> ACTION: phillw to fix feb 29th log, merge them, and make the regex for meetings page display all the logs again
[16:07] <balloons> Looks like phillw is still working on that as the page is still not showing the new logs
[16:07] <balloons> I'll re-add it for him, I know he couldn't make it today
[16:07] <balloons> [ACTION] phillw to fix feb 29th log, merge them, and make the regex for meetings page display all the logs again
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to fix feb 29th log, merge them, and make the regex for meetings page display all the logs again
[16:07] <balloons> ACTION: balloons to poll community members on preferred meeting day and time
[16:08] <balloons> This was done, and the results are in and can be found here.. http://whenisgood.net/mzs4etp/results/x83kbr
[16:08] <balloons> It seems like overall people would prefer something earlier in the day
[16:08] <balloons> thoughts?
[16:09] <astraljava> For eastern people (from GMT), it might prove to become difficult, if jobs don't allow participating during the working day.
[16:09] <balloons> err.. maybe I'm reading this wrong :-)
[16:10] <balloons> yea.. those numbers are confusing.. it's not the number of people who can make.. it's showing the number of people who can't
[16:10] <astraljava> I don't even know how to use it. :)
[16:10] <balloons> ??? that's really odd
[16:11] <astraljava> It is odd, I agree.
[16:11] <balloons> it is showing that this time isn't a particuarly good one
[16:12] <astraljava> Ahh... I see, when you move your mouse on the grid, it shows ya who feel that time to be either suitable or not so.
[16:12] <balloons> yea.. mouseover helps
[16:12] <balloons> clunky, but whatver
[16:12] <balloons> so.. yea, if it's just the two of us.. what do you think astraljava ?
[16:12] <astraljava> Why can't there be a listing for most suitable times or something?
[16:12]  * balloons doesn't know. 
[16:12] <balloons> I tried to find a useful "find a time" web service
[16:13] <astraljava> balloons: Best times for me would be after our office hours, provided I find a job with office hours, but I assume as much.
[16:13] <balloons> but the typical ones didn't support the multiple time zone and generic days
[16:13] <astraljava> So it'd mean about 3 pm. GMT and later.
[16:13] <balloons> we have a nice slot @ 7 pm UTC on Tuesday
[16:13] <balloons> both 6 pm and 7 pm UTC on tuesday many folks can make it
[16:13] <astraljava> Yeah, it should be fairly usable, provided you have a bit of time to spend on it.
[16:14] <balloons> basically 6-9 UTC on tuesday looks the most open
[16:14] <astraljava> Sounds good to me.
[16:14] <balloons> so, we can pick from this feedback then, or we can poll (again) with a couple specific options that were best
[16:15] <astraljava> Either way, I'm good.
[16:15] <balloons> I think since not many folks could make it, I'd still like to hear some feedback on the timeslot.. let's chose Tuesday @ 7 pm UTC and see what everyone thinks
[16:16] <astraljava> Well if you're gonna have another poll, then better give it a couple of options.
[16:16] <astraljava> We can spend some time on the results of the first, and find out the most popular, and suggest those again.
[16:16] <balloons> well I meant not polling again
[16:16] <balloons> but that's the question.. I could pull the top 3 or 5 out of here and poll with those day times and see
[16:17] <astraljava> Oh okay, I misunderstood the "see what everyone thinks" part, then.
[16:17] <balloons> yea, sorry
[16:17] <balloons> I'm thinking aloud to some extent
[16:17] <balloons> :-)
[16:17] <astraljava> Heheh. :) I do it a lot, as well.
[16:17] <balloons> So, poll again with top time slots? or just declare a time and see if it works out better
[16:17] <astraljava> Yeah, if we're not in a hurry for the change, I'd suggest polling again with the top 5 or so.
[16:18] <balloons> ok, I'll do a writeup and include the top times
[16:18] <astraljava> Sounds good.
[16:19] <balloons> [action] balloons to send results of poll and provide the most suitable timeframes for one last round of polling.
[16:19] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons to send results of poll and provide the most suitable timeframes for one last round of polling.
[16:19] <balloons> k, last item from befor
[16:19] <balloons> ACTION: balloons to share qa team proposal to mailing list
[16:19] <balloons> I did this and got some good feedback... Actually I think I need to respond to a post, if I remember correctly
[16:20] <balloons> I spoke with the newly forming u+1 team as part of sharing the plan and they had some suggestions on the proposal
[16:21] <balloons> anything you wish to discuss about astraljava ?
[16:22] <astraljava> Are we already into the flavors section?
[16:22] <astraljava> Or do you mean in general?
[16:22] <balloons> I mean did you have any feedback on the proposal
[16:23] <balloons> we were simply discussing the last action, sorry :-0
[16:23] <balloons> if not, we'll move on to updates
[16:23] <astraljava> Ahh.. no, I have missed that email, sadly.
[16:24] <balloons> ahh.. well, here's a link to it again for the logs: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2012-March/002044.html
[16:24] <balloons> let's move on then
[16:24] <balloons> [topic] ubuntu updates
[16:25] <balloons> A quick ubuntu update is prep is going on for beta2.. The checkbox manual app testing is going to occur again with some more apps and test coverage.
[16:26] <balloons> An installer sprint is also occurring right now and we as a community are helping out by doing specific iso testing to verify bugs/regressions have been fixed by the dev team
[16:26] <balloons> [topic] other ubuntu flavor updates
[16:27] <balloons> astraljava, care to give us an update?
[16:27] <astraljava> Sure.
[16:27] <astraljava> Studio has had some trouble with the images lately.
[16:27] <astraljava> ubiquity would hang, and the installer process would not finish, then.
[16:27] <astraljava> But just recently cjwatson fixed one casper bug about it, so we're waiting to see progress on today's images.
[16:28] <astraljava> Otherwise, we still need an FFe for better theming of the live session/ubiquity.
[16:28] <astraljava> Because we're bringing in a new package.
[16:28] <astraljava> But that's about it for Studio.
[16:28] <astraljava> ..
[16:29] <balloons> good to hear your ubiquity issues are getting some <3
[16:29] <astraljava> Yep. Thank $deity for the rockstars in our community. :)
[16:30] <balloons> ;-) Alright, in keeping with our quickness theme, I will move on to the last topic, conveniently titled 'other topics' :-0
[16:30] <balloons> [topic] other topics
[16:31] <balloons> I don't have anything else to chat about today, astraljava anything you wanted to bring up specifically?
[16:31] <astraljava> As the head of testing and QA for Xubuntu announced leaving the project after this cycle, I just had a chat with the leader of Xubuntu.
[16:31] <astraljava> So I am to announce stuff re: QA for Xubuntu in the future, too.
[16:32]  * balloons didn't see that
[16:32] <astraljava> I think it only arrived on Xubuntu's mailing lists.
[16:32] <astraljava> But am not sure.
[16:32] <balloons> ahh
[16:32] <astraljava> So, if you keep track on the contact people for flavors, you can fill me in on Xubuntu as well.
[16:33] <balloons> i do, and noted.. I'll add you for xubuntu ;-)
[16:33] <astraljava> Ok, thanks.
[16:33] <astraljava> No other business from me.
[16:34] <balloons> thank you.. Alrighty, I think that concludes everything then.. hopefully this change can see our next meeting with a few more people ;-)
[16:34] <balloons> #endmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 16:34:22 2012 UTC.
[16:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-21-16.03.moin.txt
[16:34] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-21-16.03.html
[16:34] <balloons> thanks for coming astraljava!
[16:34] <astraljava> Thanks for chairing!
[20:04] <gilir> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Mar 21 20:04:48 2012 UTC.  The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:04] <gilir> hi :)
[20:05] <phillw> o/
[20:06] <jmarsden|work> o/
[20:06] <balloons> o/
[20:06] <gilir> agenda, still at the same place : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[20:07] <gilir> no action item from previous meeting
[20:08] <gilir> I'll skip point from people not here, to speed up the meeting a bit
[20:08]  * phillw loves being 1st up!
[20:09] <gilir> :)
[20:09] <gilir> #topic phillw - Weekly report - Update from QA meeting and team
[20:09] <phillw> The Ubiquity (installer) sprint (get rid of as many bugs as possible is the shortest time) is now drawing to a close, they have nailed several bugs that really annoy / break. The final remix with the results will be in tomorrows build.
[20:10] <phillw> I've asked balloons to attend in case he has something extra to add.
[20:11] <phillw> There was also raised the fact that we have bugs going back > 90 days that have not lapsed.
[20:11] <amjjawad> Hi
[20:11] <amjjawad> is there a meeting?
[20:11] <gilir> any decision concerning bug 775124 ?
[20:12] <phillw> I'll ask how best to address clearing these off
[20:12] <phillw> gilir: afaik, it is an active work in progress.
[20:13] <phillw> gilir: you will have seen my and others comments about it.
[20:13] <gilir> this bug block installation with live ISO of any 4Gb hard-drive netbook, which is not so unusual hardware :)
[20:13] <phillw> gilir: I did make that clear on my submission to the bug :)
[20:14] <gilir> great, I'll wait to see the progress, thanks :)
[20:14] <amjjawad> phillw: hi, I'm late sorry ... the meeting already started right?
[20:14] <phillw> gilir: as an MOTU, and 'boss' of lubuntu you have more chance of creating such a fuss that they eventually give in & accept that it is wrong.
[20:15] <phillw> amjjawad: is okay, still on QA
[20:15] <phillw> stuff
[20:15] <amjjawad> ok phillw thanks :)
[20:15] <phillw> gilir: can I please confirm that lubuntu is now non-pae by default?
[20:16] <gilir> phillw, yes, it should :)
[20:16] <amjjawad> gilir: hi, if it's PAE will that be a huge problem?
[20:16] <phillw> okies, just so we can set up the wiki for it
[20:16] <amjjawad> coz no one replied my email yet
[20:17] <gilir> I didn't test it yet, but if it's not so far on a daily, it's a bug
[20:17] <phillw> gilir: just as well we had some non-pae testers working on it :)
[20:17] <gilir> amjjawad, what do you mean by problem ?
[20:18] <amjjawad> if Lubuntu follow Ubuntu and go for PAE Kernel so will that be a problem?
[20:18] <amjjawad> I sent an email already about that
[20:18] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: It will be a problem for people with non-PAE CPUs if the kernel requires PAE...
[20:18] <phillw> gilir: I believe  it landed, but have not had chance to fully catch up with the email section of 'non-pae testing' on lubuntu-qa lists
[20:18] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: so they won't be able to boot?
[20:18] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: correct
[20:18] <amjjawad> i see, thanks a lot jmarsden|work  :)
[20:19] <amjjawad> and if someone wants to add the PAE support, it's piece of cake, correct? jmarsden|work ?
[20:19] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: It's a kernel compilation option.
[20:20] <phillw> amjjawad: I did comment on how to add PAE for those who have > 3.2GB RAM. I'm just awaiting confirmation that the instructions from a couple of years ago still work.
[20:20] <amjjawad> ok, thanks guys, I will wait for a confirmation then :)
[20:20] <amjjawad> quick silly Q ... the best thing for testing is the daily build or the milestone build? I guess the daily one right?
[20:22] <gilir> the daily is better, because it's the most up-to-date
[20:22] <phillw> amjjawad: depends on what you wish to test, see me after the meeting & I'll be happy to explain anything on our Testing wiki page you do not understand.
[20:22] <amjjawad> ok phillw thanks ... thanks too gilir  :)
[20:22] <phillw> amjjawad: if you do not understand it, it needs to me made more clear.
[20:23] <gilir> anything to add for QA phillw ?
[20:23] <phillw> gilir: I think that's all from QA
[20:23] <gilir> thanks phillw :)
[20:23] <amjjawad> if Karl is not here, I will take care of Comms Updates if I may :)
[20:24] <gilir> Unit193 seems away, so yes, going to comm team update :)
[20:24] <gilir> #topic amjjawad Weekly report - Update from comms team
[20:25] <amjjawad> Ok, so long story short ... I'm sure everyone is aware of my last email ... Comms Team needs an access to ALL Lubuntu Social Networking Pages/Group/Etc
[20:25] <amjjawad> beside, WOW Lubuntu must start action and be something like OMG Ubuntu
[20:26] <amjjawad> Also, I need someone who is GOOD in making YouTube Videos as I want to make some nice stuff about Lubuntu ;)
[20:26] <amjjawad> so 3 main points from Comms Team
[20:27] <gilir> thanks amjjawad :)
[20:27] <amjjawad> 1- An Active Member of Comms Team must have access to ALL the pages on Fb and Google+ and I have asked for that many times ago!
[20:27] <phillw> amjjawad: I saw leszec join. he is the master of vids.
[20:27] <jmarsden|work> Comms Team needs X: so go ahead and get X, do whatever it takes to acquire X... do you have a plan to acquire "access to all Lubuntu Social Networking Pages...", and to "start action" for WOW Lubuntu, and to find someone with appropriate video creation skills?  Stating a need is not really a plan for action...
[20:27] <amjjawad> phillw: if he has time then that would be super great. We must be on everywhere ... youtube, facebook, etc etc
[20:28] <amjjawad> WOW Lubuntu is my project but I need someone to help me with it. As for having access, I have access to Lubuntu Google+ Page and Lubuntu Group but NOT the Facebook Page that has more than 4K users
[20:29] <amjjawad> Comms Team has 12 memebrs if I'm not wrong and WE must work as a TEAM.
[20:29] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: So, how are you planning to gain such access to the Facebook page?
[20:29] <amjjawad> Time here is short so I can't explain too much ... that will be for a mailing list :)
[20:29] <amjjawad> well, the admin of that page need to give me that access :(
[20:30] <gilir> amjjawad, for the access to the accounts, it's in progress, just have technical issue on twitter side
[20:30] <amjjawad> I'm not an admin
[20:30] <amjjawad> I'm not talking about twitter, I don't care much about it. I care more about Fb
[20:30] <amjjawad> it has 4000 users and I need to work on them
[20:30] <amjjawad> I need to be as close as possible to them. Not me, Comms Team as a whole must be close to those users
[20:30] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: So is the Facebook page admin here?  if not, do you know who it is and have you contacted them and asked for access?
[20:31] <amjjawad> Yes, gilir is one :D
[20:31] <jmarsden|work> OK, so sounds like that is taken care of, it is in progress.
[20:32] <amjjawad> Not really I'm afraid.
[20:32] <jmarsden|work> gilir: do you have a time when you will be able to get amjjawad the access he needs on Facebook?
[20:32] <amjjawad> It's ONE click away and I have no idea what it did take so long :(
[20:32] <amjjawad> why*
[20:33] <gilir> jmarsden|work, I already added it on my list to things to do
[20:33] <gilir> just wanted to solve also the twitter stuff
[20:33]  * phillw my overall wish is that Lubuntu has ONE fb page. Concentrate our energies there. 
[20:33] <amjjawad> I don't mind controlling Two. I'm very active on F
[20:33] <phillw> gilir: that was a change in the API for twitter for the drupal site.
[20:33] <amjjawad> Fb
[20:34] <amjjawad> those who added me can see me there all the time
[20:34] <phillw> gilir: mario has asked if we have someone who can get it working again.
[20:34] <amjjawad> So, gilir i will be waiting :(
[20:34] <amjjawad> let's do the fb then worry about Twitter
[20:35] <amjjawad> and PLEASE don't add any feed to the website, that won't be nice IMHO. Just my thought about it
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; what working again on the website?
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> The twitter stream?
[20:36] <gilir> #action Add amjjawad to lubuntu fb page
[20:36] <meetingology> ACTION: Add amjjawad to lubuntu fb page
[20:36] <MrChrisDruif> (Well, stream?)
[20:36] <phillw> amjjawad: we did it as a test. it didn't work. The twitter feed is to allow registered people to tweet.
[20:36]  * gilir add the action, so amjjawad can blame me if I don't do it next week
[20:36] <amjjawad> phillw: ok but hope the final website version will have no feed neither for twitter nor fb.
[20:36] <amjjawad> gilir: come on :P
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; why not?
[20:37] <amjjawad> so, for the guy who is good in YouTube, I will search for him/her on the mailing list. As for WOW Lubuntu Project, I will send an email to later on
[20:37] <phillw> gilir: as you said, we need to get this nailed down before 12.04 launches... the clock is ticking.
[20:37] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: I don't want to blame anyone but I will keep reminding though :P
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> Why not have a "Social" page on there so people can see some of the stuff we do and how people like it?
[20:37] <amjjawad> oh you mean why for the website?
[20:38]  * phillw can we get back on 
[20:38] <phillw> Agenda?
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; yup
[20:38] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; sure
[20:38] <amjjawad> I'm just saying ... no need for feed streem. that will take so much work plus that will require a real time stuff
[20:38] <phillw> amjjawad: comms team ar the there to sort that :)
[20:38] <amjjawad> I'm no expret in web desginign but being on fb which is using a real time thing ... that IMHO will take so much time and effort which is not needed for now
[20:39] <amjjawad> Ok so let's keep that chat on the mailing list :) I'm done here
[20:40] <gilir> ok, thanks amjjawad :)
[20:40] <amjjawad> gilir: you welcome ;)
[20:41] <gilir> #topic amjjawad - Weekly report - Update from Support Team
[20:41] <gilir> I don't know if the support team is active again
[20:41] <amjjawad> Oh yes
[20:41] <amjjawad> I'm here :D
[20:41] <gilir> If you don't have anything to say, we can pass this topic :)
[20:41] <amjjawad> However, nothing so far. I'm focusing on Comms bcoz it got re-activated again
[20:41] <amjjawad> sure, pass to the other one
[20:42] <gilir> ok :)
[20:42] <gilir> #topic gilir- Weekly report - Update from Devs teams
[20:42] <gilir> it's kernel week :)
[20:42] <gilir> to confirmed, we have non-pae for i386 by default for 12.04
[20:43] <amjjawad> so we are following Xubuntu's Steps?
[20:43] <gilir> also, for powerpc, a switch to smp kernel will be done also
[20:44] <gilir> but it should not impact hardware support, just maybe a small impact on performance on 1 CPU hardware
[20:44] <amjjawad> I'm on GRUB2 and the daily build for 20032012 has Generic Kerenl :) I see
[20:44] <gilir> amjjawad, yes
[20:45] <phillw> gilir: I think, for lubuntu, that is excellent news.
[20:45] <gilir> we also finally pushed fixes for the the "empty icons in the systray", please test it :)
[20:46]  * phillw what, you mean my 3G device will not be a gap any more? :)
[20:46] <gilir> to finish, I'm working on the ISO sizes, by putting back some languages on the ISOs
[20:46] <amjjawad> gilir: that bug when you suspend and after that empty spaces will be on systray? I will test that coz I got a test laptop ;)
[20:47] <gilir> please ping me if you see oversized ISO for daily
[20:47] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[20:47] <gilir> phillw, that's a different bug, I'm afraid
[20:47] <amjjawad> it should be 700MB and less, correct?
[20:47] <gilir> amjjawad, yes and yes
[20:47] <phillw> gilir: if you can keep the dailies cd sized, that would be one heck of an acheivement
[20:47] <amjjawad> gilir: thanks :)
[20:48] <phillw> darn paper cuts :(
[20:48] <gilir> that's all for me, any questions ?
[20:49] <amjjawad> Yes please
[20:49] <amjjawad> I can't run LSC :(
[20:49] <amjjawad> it crashes once I click on it and it is not loading at all
[20:49] <amjjawad> Lubuntu 32-bit daily build 20-3-2012
[20:49] <gilir> amjjawad, please report a bug directly
[20:49] <amjjawad> ok will do
[20:50] <amjjawad> is it possible to add "Lock Scree" in Menu?
[20:50] <amjjawad> Screen*
[20:50] <phillw> amjjawad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[20:51] <phillw> amjjawad: requests are requests, bugs are bugs.
[20:51] <gilir> amjjawad, it's a bit late for 12.04
[20:51] <amjjawad> gilir: ok :(
[20:51] <MrChrisDruif> And besides, you can get lock screen with the shutdown menu and with Ctrl + Alt + L I believed
[20:51] <phillw> amjjawad: we open for requests soon after 12.04 launches. please feel free to request it for 12.10
[20:52] <MrChrisDruif> With other words amjjawad: make a list ;-)
[20:52] <amjjawad> I did that for Lubuntu 12.04 long ago but looks like I did not follow the correct approach
[20:52] <gilir> phillw, we have a lot of work to triage such requests / bugs, the bug tracker is full of them :(
[20:52] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: no, you can't do that for Lock Screen, you need to configure it ;)
[20:52] <phillw> amjjawad: well, you now know how to do it :)
[20:53] <amjjawad> phillw: i don't so i will ask u and u will help ;)
[20:53] <gilir> amjjawad, the right approcach is the bug report
[20:53] <amjjawad> which someone will turn it to a wishlist I guess
[20:53] <gilir> however, we have to clean our bug tracker a bit ...
[20:53] <phillw> gilir: hence my comment earlier about blitzing the out of date bugs that hang around like a bad smell.
[20:53] <amjjawad> as I did that with the Clippboard Manager issue
[20:53] <MrChrisDruif> amjjawad; indeed, you are right: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[20:54] <phillw> gilir: as MrChrisDruif has scraped in late (he did let me know) could you give him the #topic?
[20:55] <gilir> phillw, it's a normal bug triaging process, we just didn't spend time on this recently :(
[20:56] <gilir> phillw, current topic ? it's in the title of the room, no ?
[20:56] <gilir> ok, let's move to the last topic, to finsih in time
[20:56] <phillw> gilir: MrChrisDruifWeekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:56] <gilir> #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update from Docs team
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, docs don't need much of your time ladies and gents
[20:57] <gilir> ok, thanks MrChrisDruif :)
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I didn't see any bad links mentioned on the lubuntu-users and lubuntu-wiki mailing-lists so I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp can also be redirected
[20:57] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: we have some alterations to make over the switch of PAE
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; I'll get to that later
[20:58] <gilir> #topic Any Other Business
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> And Jonathan I believe send some more human-readable code for removing old kernels
[20:59] <gilir> any other questions, you have 2 minutes :)
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks gilir, I wasn't done ^_^
[20:59] <amjjawad> what is the name of the current login manager? it is same as the one in Xubuntu 11.10
[20:59] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, arf sorry :(
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[20:59] <amjjawad> ok ignore me, MrChrisDruif please go on
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> I'll try to update the wiki for removing old kernels asap
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> As far as going back to non-pae I'll have to check what needs to be done
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> in terms of documentation
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> AOB???
[21:00] <gilir> well, we went to back to the situation we had on 11.10
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> So no LightDM?
[21:01] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, I mean, for the non-pae kernel
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, okay
[21:01] <gilir> we still have lightdm, the same than xubuntu
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> And the login manager question of amjjawad, it's still lightdm unless something has changed?
[21:02] <gilir> amjjawad, ^
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> Alrighty
[21:02] <amjjawad> it does not look like Ubuntu :(
[21:02] <amjjawad> I mean LightDM
[21:02] <gilir> amjjawad, yes, because it's another "greeter"
[21:02] <amjjawad> I see
[21:03] <amjjawad> and no way to make it just like Ubuntu coz it is too late, right?
[21:03] <gilir> amjjawad, it's too late, and we have to write a new greeter
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, but maybe it's an idea to post your idea about how the login manager should look to the design team?
[21:03] <amjjawad> ok, thanks gilir  :)
[21:04] <gilir> ideas and mockups are always welcome :)
[21:04] <phillw> gilir: it is possibly worth a mention in the release notea?
[21:04] <phillw> s/notea/notes
[21:04] <gilir> phillw, the fact that we are using lightdm ? sure
[21:05] <amjjawad> with another greeter :)
[21:05] <gilir> I think I added in a release note for alpha or beta 1
[21:05] <amjjawad> so everyone will be aware and in the loop ;)
[21:05] <jmarsden|work> More importantly, is there anything that was easy/obvious how to do/trivial in the previous greeter that is now harder/more obscure/impossible in the new one?  If so, *that* should be documented.
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, but I'm not informed enough about the big differences between the two login managers
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Except for eye-candy that is ;-)
[21:06] <gilir> jmarsden|work, the greeter, I don't think so, unless you make theme of LXDM
[21:06] <gilir> jmarsden|work, the login manager, maybe yes, like the autologin stuff
[21:07] <jmarsden|work> Documetning "we are now using lightdm" doesn't mean much to novice users.  DOcumenting "to change languages you now need to do THIS instead of THAT" might save some support calls.
[21:07] <gilir> it's now different
[21:07] <gilir> the configuration is also completly different than LXDM
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe this is something for the mailing-list?
[21:08] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, are you aware of any documentation about th elogin manager on Ubuntu ?
[21:08] <amjjawad> I wish LXDM will be much more better and will back to action in 12.10
[21:09] <gilir> amjjawad, probbaly not, sharing this type of application which others devs is really nice
[21:09] <jmarsden|work> amjjawad: "much more better" is pretty subjective... make specific clear suggestions for improvements and they might have a chance to be added to lightdm :)
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoLogin#Enabling_AutoLogin_from_command_line
[21:10] <amjjawad> jmarsden|work: will do my best to do that once I have some time :)
[21:10] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, thanks, so it should be the same on lubuntu for 12.04 :)
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> Afaict there isn't much help pages about lightdm
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; but the wiki might have more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[21:11] <jmarsden|work> MrChrisDruif: Sounds like a new "opportunity" for the Docs team :) :)
[21:11] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, this is more for testing and report bug, not really for users :)
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[21:11] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: go nag the xubuntu people, they went over last release :)
[21:12] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, I'll see what pleia2 can tell me ^_^
[21:12] <gilir> phillw, they should share this type of documentation ;)
[21:12] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: She will give you ever support that she can.
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; I know and she's involved with Xubuntu
[21:13] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, anything to add for documentation team ?
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> I'll see what info we've currently got about LXDM and try to hunt back all that functionality in LightDM and document it
[21:14] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, thanks, many users asked about this for LXDM, so I'm sure it will be very useful
[21:14] <MrChrisDruif> I probably think this is a multi-week subject for the docs team (seeing I'm one of the only active ones around)
[21:14] <phillw> #action MrChrisDruif check to see what community documentation is available for LightDM
[21:14] <meetingology> ACTION: MrChrisDruif check to see what community documentation is available for LightDM
[21:15] <gilir> thanks phillw :)
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks buddy ;-)
[21:15] <phillw> soz MrChrisDruif :)
[21:15] <amjjawad> MrChrisDruif: I will do my best to support you but I'm much more focusing on Comms Team right now :(
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> It's alright amjjawad, everyone's time is limited
[21:16] <amjjawad> yep :(
[21:16]  * phillw proposes #endmeeting
[21:16] <gilir> we are already late, so I'll finish the meeting if nobody have any other topics
[21:16] <MrChrisDruif> +1
[21:17] <gilir> #endmeeting
[21:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 21:17:07 2012 UTC.
[21:17] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-21-20.04.moin.txt
[21:17] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-21-20.04.html
[21:17] <gilir> thanks everyone :)
[21:17] <amjjawad> gilir: thanks a lot :)
[21:18] <phillw> gilir: as always, thanks for herding cats.
[21:19] <balloons> gilir, ^^