=== alexjbest is now known as Guest5059 [08:06] Morning [08:19] Morning all [08:19] o/ [08:31] morning all [08:32] Meauning. [08:33] So how is everyone this over cast morning ? [09:07] Good morning peeps :) [09:13] Morning all! [09:14] It's a popey! [09:27] Amazing! http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/03/human-bird-wings/ [09:30] it is, I watched that several times yesterday [09:32] diplo, sunny in london, another lovely daty [09:32] BAH! [09:32] :( [09:32] not that i'll get out till 5pm [09:33] I almost resent when it's a lovely day and I'm stuck in the office. thankfully it's a rare event here [09:34] * TheOpenSourcerer likes lovely datys [09:34] Time to go and put my chilli plants in the greenhouse... [09:35] oimon, At least I have a window! [09:35] A big window! [09:35] :) [09:35] TheOpenSourcerer, that was amazing.. wish therewas more details about it [09:38] `:-) [09:38] -` [09:38] it's a lovely day here [09:38] so I'm off out to drill holes in vans [09:39] is gordonjcp in the A-Team now? [09:40] Good morning all! :D [09:40] I'll take a photo of the sunshine and post it on twitter for you to see [09:41] Well thanks! [09:42] I think we have given up on sun now [09:42] I'd really like my garden to dry out. [09:42] yay, my game.co.uk order has been shipped [09:42] heard they've been de-listed from the stock exchange ⍨ [09:43] popey: Yep, they have [09:44] oooh a game? [09:44] A lot of suppliers are refusing to let them have any goods, the expectation was that they'd shut down very soon unless a buyer/new finance can be found for them (I think Comet were mentioned as a possible buyer) [09:45] left my machine running a bitcoin miner all night to see how much it would generate, curiosity really, 0.02bitcoins. not gonna pay the electricity bill with that ;) [09:45] gord: bought some second hand xbox 360 games [09:46] Gears of War 2, FALLOUT NEW VEGAS , Colin McRae: DiRT 2, Bioshock. £17.92 [09:46] bargain ☺ [09:48] hmmmm [09:48] I seem to have hit some key comnbination [09:48] where my terminal is now MAXED [09:48] fallout new vegas is fun :) always wear a cowboy hat [09:49] and I cant see buttons or side bar [09:49] F11 [09:49] *help* [09:49] win [09:49] thanks [09:49] :D [09:49] the cowboy hat stops a game breaking bug [09:49] need breakfast [09:58] gord: haha! [09:59] czajkowski: or right click -> leave full screen [09:59] 09:49 < gord> the cowboy hat stops a game breaking bug [09:59] ^^^^ this is the first time anyone has ever said that [10:00] that soudns like the sort of game I want to be playing [10:00] you wouldn't believe what i went through figuring that out ;) but it turns out its well known [10:10] mrevell: joining us tonight? [10:10] bigcalm, Sorry, no. [10:11] How about tomorrow? [10:11] bigcalm, Looking unlikely. Ill family combined with tight work deadlines. [10:11] Sucky [10:11] gord: coming tomorrow? [10:12] bigcalm, not this time, beta two tomorrow [10:12] So, just me Alex and davmor2 [10:12] If davmor2 isn't rushed off his feet as well [10:14] I'm not going to get any work done, am I? [10:15] Oh nuts. My Gran is in hospital. Good thing we're visiting my parents this weekend [10:19] bigcalm, when do you ever get any work done at these things? ;) [10:19] gord: I get bits done. Tiny tiny bits [10:21] is that in between bacon sarnies and dave harassments? ;) [10:21] :D [10:21] The bacon is good [10:21] whoo fresh out of the oven crossiant:D [10:22] we should really get the other remote workers in here setting up their own work days, then put webcams in all of them hooked up to google hangouts [10:23] :) [10:23] And get no work done? [10:23] and play national hide and seek obviously [10:23] Hehe [10:27] Double rotter chopper flew overhead. Could feel my innards go all wibbly [10:27] * BigRedS loves the Chinook [10:27] That's some good bass man [10:28] I give it 10 minutes before it ends up on a dubstep album :/ [10:28] Yay dubstep [10:30] Goodness. Soundcloud making flash crashtastic today [10:39] * bigcalm sticks to last.fm and Orbital radio [10:43] i tried that supposedly fixed spotify, its all lies [10:46] Maybe it would help if you were to pay for their service? [10:47] i really don't think it would [10:53] New Doctor Who assistant has been named (and its not K9) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17456505 [10:53] woohoo, thanks DJones [10:54] nom nom Amy Pond... [10:54] According to IMDb 168 episodes of Emmerdale, waterloo road, Captain America, Titanic amongst her previous roles [10:55] amy pond was one of the most attractive women on tv, they won't get better [10:55] Agreed oimon [10:55] * TheOpenSourcerer stops looking at Google Images for Amy Pond... [10:55] whoo no more pond and rory! [10:56] thank feck! [10:56] Oi Oi czajkowski [10:56] Great Rugby at the Weekend? My predictions were spot on thought. [10:56] TheOpenSourcerer: aye you were right [10:56] we were woefully bad [10:57] TheOpenSourcerer: however A) we didnt end up witht he wooden spoon B) we played fairly and didnt bite other players :) [10:57] "Allegedly" [10:57] Am off to Wembley week after next for Saracens v 'Quins [10:58] sweet [10:59] TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17440125 [10:59] up to a 4 year ban goes by to your career! [11:00] czajkowski: If he gets the 4 year ban, maybe he'll take up boxing with Mike Tyson as his trainer [11:02] DJones: this is alesson, eat before you go play a game :) [11:02] dont like that nasty stuff in rugby really lowers the game [11:04] Definately not [11:06] I agree czajkowski. Looked like Frew stuck his hand in Dylan's gob though ;-) [11:07] Ferris hah [11:08] still no need to bite [11:08] doesnt set an example to young players [11:08] especially at international level [11:08] anyways we played shite and ye deserved to win [11:08] no doubt there [11:08] can't taste good either [11:08] Eww, muddy Paddy :-( [11:09] Hello. [11:10] morning Funksters [11:10] * davmor2 gives czajkowski a hug [11:11] davmor2: morning [11:11] davmor2: elo elo [11:12] o/ davmor2 bigcalm [11:12] Hullo [11:13] * bigcalm noms some nommy poptarts [11:16] hello s-fox bigcalm [11:16] czajkowski: how's things down sowff [11:16] How are you ? [11:17] davmor2: good thanks busy but loving it [11:18] czajkowski: you managing to zero you're inbox? [11:18] yes [11:19] ctrl+a del [11:20] mrevell: czajkowski hasn't got enough work she is zeroing her inbox :D [11:20] Haha [11:20] davmor2: you little fecker! [11:20] davmor2: are you joining us tomorrow? [11:21] bigcalm: tomorrow yes not sure about tonight 3 release to test :( [11:21] Aye [11:21] Thought it would be tight for you tonight [11:23] Not to worry, Adam Sweet will provide the constant chatter ;) [11:23] hahaha and don't forget to stay till the very end so you are really tired on thursday :D [11:24] you should do a sponsored silence of davmor2 for charity [11:25] popey: I don't like any charities enough to do that :P [11:28] davmor2: that's the danger. But as I'm not giving any lifts this week, will try to leave earlier [11:29] bigcalm: you won't you'll stay till at least half leave :D [11:32] I'm going to have food at least! [11:32] Will try and have something other than steak today [11:35] Got my red V5C today. I preferred the look of the blue one [11:35] yeah, the red ones feel less officious [11:36] popey: Game have just confirmed they're going into administration, got your games just in time [11:38] czajkowski: Yay made you snap man if I'd of known that's all it took :D [11:48] how can i use sed on a csv file to add a column when there is a match on a string? [11:48] the column is at the end of the line [11:55] christel: friday pub lunch? [11:57] yessir! [11:57] i am all for that [11:58] * TheOpenSourcerer too. [12:01] \o/ [12:07] Man I need to start my scrolling catch up from where I left off and not skip lines, all I saw then was christel 's yessir! i am all for that and then TheOpenSourcerer saying too, I missed AlanBell 's line though :D now it all makes sense [12:09] pub \o/ [12:09] now, which one? [12:09] lamb & flag! [12:09] Shepherd and Flock? [12:09] AlanBell: for now I'd go with one that sells food :) [12:10] Lord Nelson [12:10] davmor2: haha [12:10] ooh i have never been in the shepherd & flock [12:10] whut?? [12:10] well.. since it's just like down the road from me i always think i should nip in [12:11] but then i think that i'd get drunk and then become roadkill when attempting to make my way back home! [12:11] :D [12:11] i do like the nelson mind [12:11] There are tunnels [12:11] oooh [12:11] :) there is a tunnel [12:11] i had no idea! [12:11] I haven't been to the Nelson for ages... [12:11] you don't actually want to cross the road there! That would be a *bad* plan. [12:11] A recent report said good things about it. [12:12] the Nelson went all modern and minimalist [12:12] AlanBell: see! i have always wondered how people (on foot) came/went to/from the shepherd and flock without well, dying :x [12:12] i had no idea there were tunnels! [12:13] i havent been to the nelson for a while [12:13] is it long since they did it up? [12:13] hmm, the nelson website looks like it has been put back the way it was, I am sure they painted the whole thing white including the beams [12:14] http://nelsonarms.co.uk/pub_evening_menu.htm looks dark and cosy again [12:14] hm [12:14] long train ride for lunch :< [12:15] * TheOpenSourcerer looks at this page instead: http://nelsonarms.co.uk/ales.htm [12:15] priorities ^^ [12:15] christel: when you say you do like the nelson....Half or Full? [12:15] oh! you are looking for premises -- you should take over the plough and then you could like do your geekery upstairs and turn the downstairs into a real ale place! [12:16] * christel nods [12:16] and then i can spend all day there drinking beer and doing my work [12:18] do they have wifi? [12:18] arsen: but so worth it for the exquisite company! [12:18] ☺ [12:19] popey: the nelson? or the plough? i'm not sure about the nelson, the plough does (but the food is a bit rubbish) [12:19] i still think we should copy the wolverhamptoners and do a monthly (or forthnightly) "working in the same place" day/thing! [12:20] christel: we are looking at a couple of office places on Friday morning [12:20] ooh exciting! in town or elsewhere? [12:21] in town [12:21] cool [12:21] just some serviced offices initially [12:22] *nod* [12:22] that would be fab [12:22] and cheaper than the 30 quid a day or so I pay to go to london [12:23] :) [12:36] popey: Sure it will be cheaper ;-) [12:41] you should get a Big office so that there's room for me and my laptop now and again when i develop cabin fever! [12:41] * christel nods [12:41] in return i'll pretend to be your receptionist and answer the phone and make tea! [12:41] * TheOpenSourcerer doesn't drink tea. *EVAH* [12:42] well i'll er, serve beer! [12:43] coffee works. [12:43] coffee! i can do coffee [12:44] the postman just came to deliver a parcel and said he had "loads more parcels for you at work but i couldn't bring them on my bike so i'll come back out with the van this afternoon" i bet he wouldn't have remembered that if my name was john smith! [12:44] :x [12:45] Dell & Ubuntu Cloud news: http://blog.canonical.com/ [12:46] beer > coffee [12:47] Dave2: i dunno, i tend to prefer coffee before noon [12:47] yeah, beer doesn't work so well with breakfast [12:47] Guiness is OK though. [12:48] christel: but it's afternoon! [12:48] * Dave2 just doesn't really like coffee ever. [12:49] re: offices ; Manchester has desks on the second floor of Madlab [12:49] awilkins: bit of a commute from farnham :( [12:50] A shame :) [12:52] I may have a big gingerbread latte this PM [12:52] Tea has not kindled the neuronic fire this morning [12:54] i've never managed to learn to like tea :( [12:54] I like it without milk or sugar [12:55] Tea with sugar is vile [12:55] Learned to like it with no milk when I was a student and had no milk [12:55] It tastes leafier with no milk [12:56] "World Hosting Day" what will they think of next! [12:56] Tea with sugar is disgusting. I prefer tea with milk, but will drink tea without milk. [12:56] video games get a tax break [12:56] Well, that's a welcome thing [12:57] A shame it will be abused by the likes of EA [12:57] But hooray for bedroom programmers, etc [12:57] Love it. Osbourne "Will keep Wallace and Grommett right where they belong!" Delivered whilst looking at Balls & Milliband. [12:58] awilkins: EA and the like paid for all the lobbying to get the tax break I guess [12:58] "High end TV production firms" ?? [12:59] Do we actually HAVE any high end TV production firms? [12:59] is that code for pr0n? [12:59] More interested in the digital content creators getting tax breaks. Need to re-optimise some storage for them...... [12:59] TheOpenSourcerer, video gamer tax? hooray [12:59] Ah, content, not hardware [12:59] AlanBell, the uk game development industry had been decimated by canada's beneficial tax rates [12:59] no video game tax means games will be cheeper right? [12:59] right? [13:01] gord: sure [13:01] "Public sector pay more responsive to local pay rates" [13:01] Boooo [13:01] gord: Nah, means more video games devs in the UK (they hope) [13:01] daubers, i hope so. in the 90s the uk ruled the world with its home grown development talent [13:02] I reckon public sector workers are just doing higher skilled jobs (on average) hence their higher (on average) wages [13:02] directhex: yeah, they'll have to do a bit more than tax breaks though. But if educatoin reforms in IT happen, then it might happen [13:02] daubers, indeed. the bbc micro was a big part of it - 80's kids became 90's devs [13:02] directhex: Indeed! [13:03] Yeah, the environment is very important - today the systems are all too "out of the box" to encourage experimentation [13:03] directhex: Maybe we need some form of hackspace like organisation for computing [13:03] In the 8 bit era, necessity was the mother of invention - you had to learn a lot about the workings of the machine to use it at all [13:04] With the 16-bit era and beyond, you could have an experience consisting entirely of prepackaged software if you chose [13:04] Boo, you didn't remove VAT for eBooks [13:05] Not that that would reduce prices much, I'm sure [13:05] awilkins: The EU thing will probably do more for that [13:07] Oh, what a surprise, people up in arms over the Sunday trading exemptions [13:08] Focus on the real problem, people - the Olympics are a boondoggle that exist solely to line the pockets of transnational corporations.... [13:08] awilkins: they are, but we can't cancel them now [13:09] awilkins: I don't work for a transnat... but it's certainly giving us quite a fair amount of new income [13:10] Clegg and Cameron are putting on such a lousy show of being interested [13:11] No changes to boozetax [13:12] Hooray, fagtax up [13:12] up go the fags, 37p. Good job. [13:12] Slot machine duty! Hooray [13:13] ooh, offshore gambling tax, interesting [13:13] Will be interesting to see how they enforce it [13:14] yeah, that is going to be interesting, if we start taxing American casinos [13:14] yes! tax those indians running casinos in the states! [13:14] (indian as in native american thar) [13:15] You could probably implement it by making people transferring money to online gamblers extract the tax at point of payment [13:15] Credit card companies, PayPal, etc [13:15] Well, he's certainly saying the right things [13:15] I almost like him [13:16] i dont think i have realised it before but george osbourne looks like he is 12 [13:16] I bet people are flocking to the shops to buy fags as we speak [13:16] (it's quite cute) [13:17] A smart shopkeeper is probably marking them up by 15p right now [13:28] cant help but like the budget :x [13:29] where are they getting the money though? [13:30] not sure, we'll see when it's all analysed i guess. [13:31] RIch people, allegedly [13:31] gogogo someone write a budget calculator :D [13:34] Whenever I think about these things I want to write a cellular automaton thing that simulates the economy [13:35] s/economy/universe/ [13:36] what did he do on fuel? [13:36] Nothing [13:36] pretty sure this is what they do the budget calculations on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXsjzcC4Jdw&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s [13:37] * popey gives gord another video bug [13:37] bug 961161 [13:37] Launchpad bug 961161 in unity "HUD remembers icon of last used app" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/961161 [13:42] "Nod if you're going to benefit from the income tax cut! Come on!" [13:42] Hahahahaha [13:44] its kinda stupid really [13:45] this debate should of ended when osborne sat down, we could of had hundreds of MP hours to do something productive now. [13:45] osborne could of said anything and the labour response speech would of been exactly the same. [13:47] not entirely sure that they would do much productive if they were allowed out early [13:47] go relay some roads or something? [13:48] maybe give teachers a day off, or help out in a hospital. [13:48] as long as it's nothing where they have any power. [14:39] popey: oh ou logged the bug that has been annoying me for the last few weeks [14:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/961161 [14:39] Launchpad bug 961161 in unity "HUD remembers icon of last used app" [Undecided,New] [14:43] heh [14:43] just done another for gord [14:43] bug 961230 [14:43] Launchpad bug 961230 in unity "HUD too many triangles with new transition effect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/961230 [14:49] hi greymech [14:49] lol [14:53] I'll try hi greymech again [14:54] Hi, sorry I was switching back to channel U+1 to see if there was any activity there. How are things? [14:54] Fine thanks greymech, and with you? [14:55] hey gord you coming tomorrow or is life too hectic for you right now? [14:56] I am fine. I am trying to organise myself to share in QA testing for 12.10. We have yet to establish a comunication pattern. Early days I think. [14:56] davmor2, beta2 tomorrow :) so no not this time [14:57] Thinks seem to be coming along though greymech :) [14:58] O, yes, this time. I have been using 12.04 daily since November. I have ran some of the Checkbox tests. But I am thinking of being more involved next time. [14:59] czajkowski: you gonna confirm that bug then? ☺ [15:00] They can always use testers greymech, it's nice to see more and more people getting involved. The +1 forum and it's members have been doing sterling work [15:01] popey: done [15:03] gord: darling dearest [15:03] lemme alone [15:04] pretty please [15:04] I shall bring you oddles of bickies and tea at uds [15:04] I have been accepted on the U+1 testing team. And the U+1 wiki is starting to look great and useful. The more that I have learnt about QA more more I notice how much is being done by so few people. [15:04] greymech: there's a U+1 testing team? ☺ [15:05] [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu and the state of free consumer software - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4547 [15:05] czajkowski, i have about a million things to fix already ;) i think you'll have more success letting the bug go through the normal methods [15:06] When somebody sends you an email which should have an attachment but doesn't, how long do you wait before replying to say that they forgot to add an attachment? [15:07] Oh, yes. [I am starting to sound like that nodding dog in the insurance advert - Uk only] Here is the address to our wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/U+1 [15:08] congratulations on making the team greymech [15:09] We are available for hire. We do anything for a few bikkies : ) [15:10] popey: the tagline Linux for human beings has been gone a long time now hasn't it or am I imaging it ? [15:11] also gone for a long time: naked wallpaper [15:11] Boo [15:11] Was the wallpaper that bad? [15:11] It didn't even hint at anything [15:11] no, that's still there [15:11] boo | 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-1 | precise/universe | source, all [15:11] czajkowski: correct [15:11] see, we still ship boo. [15:11] * bigcalm tickles directhex [15:12] !info boo [15:12] boo (source: boo): python-like language and compiler for the CLI. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.5~git20110729.r1.202a430-1 (oneiric), package size 117 kB, installed size 976 kB [15:12] popey: and the new tagline is ? [15:12] czajkowski, linux for mark shuttleworth [15:12] * directhex flees [15:12] Hehe [15:12] popey: just wondering as still seeing a lot of people quote it as their signature and also as the tagline for Ubuntu [15:13] people have long memories [15:13] and the internet never forgets [15:13] we dont have one anymore [15:13] greymech: do the U+1 team work with the ubuntu testing team? [15:13] directhex: back in yer box smartie pants [15:18] Game are going into administration, what a surprise [15:18] I think that some of those in Ubuntu+1 section, who have worked hard testing over the years, felt a little left out of Ubuntu QA as they did not exist except for the bugs they reported. The setting up of this team is meant to correct that, IMO. It also has the purpose of showing ordinary users how they too can get involved (safely and easily) in testing according to their skill level and desire. I would like to see the U+1 team become like a doorway fo [15:18] r the Ubuntu QA team to get access to the wider community. [15:21] greymech: what kind of testing are you guys proposing people do out of interest? [15:26] popey: the U+1 team is official but it started just a couple of weeks ago. This is why, as a team we are aiming for 12.10. We are aiming to get information as to what each team member wants and is able to test. The idea is that then invites can be sent out as a testing need arises. [15:28] Does being part of some sort of testing team increase the likelihood of bugs getting attention? [15:28] greymech: how did it start? [15:29] I mean, did someone just go "lets make a team" and create a wiki page? [15:31] * popey notes he does some internal testing on ubuntu at canonical so has an interest in this team [15:34] popey: I posted a link on Ubuntu+1 to Marks blog where he goes on about QA and does not not mention Ubuntu+1. He mentions everyone else it seems. So, a comment is posted to Mark to the effect of saying: Hey, what about us. Then guitara starts posting in Ubuntu+1 invites for various testing needs and then next thing I see is effenburger0x0 and cariboo907 posting about the U+1 Testing team and wiki. [15:36] greymech: when you say "does not mention Ubuntu+1." does that mean the irc channel #Ubuntu+1 ? [15:37] popey, ubuntu forums +1 section [15:37] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412 [15:37] ah okay, forums. [15:38] a good deal of user testing goes on/is discussed/ worked on there popey [15:38] nothingspecial: what kind of testing? [15:39] all sorts, I believe the team is an attempt to co-ordinate it [15:39] ballons will post testing requests there for example [15:40] popey: while we are on this subject some of us have noticed that the installation slideshow refers to askubuntu but not ubuntu forums. We get a bit tribal over this or call it loyalty. [15:40] greymech, this has been discussed a lot already btw [15:40] not here though I suppose [15:41] :) [15:41] greymech: yep, and now someone has posted a "fix" which removes askubuntu and puts ubuntuforums link in ☹ [15:42] nothingspecial: I expect so. Things do get talked about. See, what I mean about tribal? [15:43] Well we are trying to move forward greymech :) [15:43] and we are :D [15:44] The U+1 team is part of it [15:45] They are two different sites with two different approaches. Both are beneficial. [15:47] popey, As you know I have sent the developer a revised slide that lists ask ubuntu, launchpad answers and the forums as support avenues. The slide also cycles through the logos for the sites [15:47] s-fox: is that in now? [15:49] I sent the code last week, got a quick email back thanking me for sending it on. I have heard nothing back since I sent the code over, I actually sent an email on Monday asking for a status update. [15:49] ^ popey [15:50] cool, be good to get that sorted. [15:51] I would just upload the revision myself but I am not sure how to get it into the main trunk [15:51] create a branch, do a merge proposal [15:52] he just has to approve it [15:58] Ohh, I'll see if I can do that later tonight after my run. [15:59] Thanks popey [16:32] afternoonings everyone. [16:33] g'morning brobostigon! [16:33] hi BigRedS [16:37] Morning! How's it going? [16:39] BigRedS: alittle tired, a long few days. tiring, and you? [16:43] brobostigon: heh, rather similar! [16:44]