/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/21/#ubuntu-unity.txt

pedrolucaspPlease01:41
pedrolucaspSomeone has a link for any article better than the developer.ubuntu.com?01:42
pedrolucaspI mean01:42
pedrolucaspThat site is amazingly incomplete!01:42
thomipedrolucasp: what information are you wanting?01:46
pedrolucaspSorry, I was not here02:00
pedrolucaspWell, I need know how to create an integrated menu for my app (is like an RSS reader02:01
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bschaeferthumper, ping, you still around?03:13
danieljjHola, alguien puede ayudarme, instale unos programas en wine pero no los encuentro03:30
danieljjno se donde aparecen en onity, en gnome los encontraba facilmente03:30
danieljjal escribir wine me aparece solo para configurar, no así los programas03:31
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apwdidrocks, bug #96050307:48
ubot5Launchpad bug 960503 in unity (Ubuntu) "HUD: seems to trigger operations more than once" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96050307:48
didrocksapw: how do you select the option?07:50
didrocksapw: I tried enter and clicking07:50
apwdidrocks, am hitting enter, ALT<wait>new tab<wait for stable list>return07:51
apwand i get 3 tabs on this machine, and two on my netbook07:51
apwdidrocks,  that was with a gnome-terminal, just also reproduced it on this same machine in chromium, i get two new tabs from the same sequence07:52
didrocksnot sure if it's unity launching it or the service07:53
didrocksgord: ^07:53
apwin a fresh gnome-terminal i get 3 new tabs on this 64 bit install07:53
apwdidrocks, ok on my 32 bit install i also get 3 new tabs in gnome-terminal07:54
apwdidrocks, oh wierder it was 3 the first time, now two more sequential reproduces are only gving two matching my other install ...07:55
apwdidrocks, definatly two new tabs in firefox as well07:56
apwdidrocks, and if you take gnome terminal and copy some text, and then use ALTpaste<ret> i get 3 lots of the text inserted, so its a systemic bug07:57
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didrocksapw: not sure if it has been fixed as I'm on the staging ppa07:59
didrocksand I can't reproduce even on my netbook07:59
didrocksdid it start recently?07:59
didrocksor you got that since the last release?07:59
apwdidrocks, can't say i use HUD much as the main windows i use don't have menus so it doesn't have anything07:59
apwdidrocks, i noticed it in random feature testing yesterday for the first time, but can't say when i last tested08:00
didrocksapw: ok, thanks, let's see with gord, once he's here :)08:00
apwdidrocks, sure, reproduced on my netbook too so perhaps a PPA thing08:03
apwdidrocks, ok just confirmed that its either 2 or 3 of somethign when it happens, HUD:paste is pretty instructive, 3, 2, 3, 3, 2 lots of paste each time08:05
didrocksapw: frustrating that I really can't reproduce it :/08:06
didrocksapw: do you feel brave? and waiting to upgrade to the staging ppa? :)08:06
didrocksremove it then ;)08:06
apwdidrocks, ok armed with ppa-purge, which ppa are you recommending08:12
didrocksapw: ppa:unity-team/staging08:14
didrocksapw: you should get a new compiz/unity08:15
didrocks(and all the family, nux, dee…)08:15
* apw kisses his test box a fond farewell08:15
apwdidrocks, ok with staging PPA install i cannot repro the issue08:26
didrocks\o/08:27
didrocksapw: awesome ;)08:27
didrocksso you should get the fix on thursday08:27
mhr3didrocks, re: Lenses were running before opening dash, are you able to confirm that? maybe the test is just wrongly worded, the primary thing is that the lenses shouldn't be running immediately after unity startup, they are launched automatically at some point (after a few seconds even without interaction with dash)08:37
mhr3i was checking here with jhbuild and i didn't see an issue08:38
didrocksmhr3: can't restart my main laptopt08:39
didrocksmhr3: let me try my netbook08:39
didrocksmhr3: the timeout is 60s, isn't it?08:39
mhr3it used to be, but that might have changed08:40
mmrazikmh3, didrocks: I tried it a while ago and it worked as expected08:41
davidcallemhr3, I've noticed the Dash quicklist displaying again Lenses it shouldn't  (such as the utilities lens, which is a "hidden" lens), it didn't a few weeks ago. Might be related?08:41
mmrazikI logged out and in and there were no lenses running08:41
mhr3mmrazik, glad to hear that08:41
mmrazikyou can also kill the lens and nothing happens until you activate it again08:41
mhr3so the wording is probably incorrect08:42
didrocksmmrazik: thanks! :)08:42
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mhr3davidcalle, the quicklist item just reads the .lens files, so those need to properly state that the lens is hidden08:43
davidcallemhr3, I know. I don't have it on this machine, I will check* but I m pretty sure it's fine.08:43
mhr3maybe the visibility check is missing in the quicklist item08:44
* mhr3 checks08:44
mhr3nope, it's there08:44
davidcallemhr3, hmm, for some reason the Utilities lens in the scopes PPA has a broken .lens file... My bad.08:47
* thumper looks for kampstrup08:47
thumpermhr3: is there someone other than kamstrup that can review the unity-music-lens branches?08:48
mhr3thumper, perhaps njpatel? :)08:48
thumperhmm... both not here yet08:48
mhr3lamalex as well, but unfortunately he didn't approve it08:48
mhr3thumper, i'll ping them when they get here08:49
mhr3thumper, and if they won't i'll just approve it i guess?08:49
thumpermhr3: no, that is naughty08:51
thumperwe'll get someone :)08:51
mhr3what can i say, i'm a naughty boy :P08:51
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bluefrogopen gnome-terminal, select hud, write open, select open tab. 2 tabs are opened instead of one. can you reproduce this on your pc?09:54
gordbluefrog, already fixed in trunk :)09:56
bluefrogk09:56
bluefrogsomething else. is there soemthing special to do for a program to be launched directly from the HUD? example  gnome-terminal in the HUD  + enter does nothing (same for all programs in fact10:05
thumperbluefrog: the hud is not for launching apps10:05
thumperbluefrog: but accessing menus10:05
thumperbluefrog: use the dash for that10:05
bluefrogthumper, thought I read in Shuttleworth blog that it would do that. sry then10:06
bluefrogdunno if this is the right channel. No more "create a launcher" menu under unity?10:17
ryeempathy was able to create an empty launcher somehow - http://ubuntuone.com/2lWz3GDDXstuGWC0p6nDTZ10:51
ryecan i somehow debug why?10:51
ryeit is missing from the alt-tab and launcher but reacts to clicks10:52
bluefrogsorry launcher is not the word I should have used. shortcut to launch an app on the desktop for example10:55
bluefrogs/on/from10:55
bluefrogor a custom launcher on the menu would suit me as well though10:56
bluefrogfor an sh script for example10:57
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tgardnerI have a dual display configuration. can anyone tell me why the launcher that used to appear on the left monitor has now jumped to the right monitor? Yet my normal applications (X-chat, mumble, thunderbird, chrome) are starting up in their normal places.12:04
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zgregunity from unity-staging ppa crashes for me when I exit from the workspace switcher12:14
zgregthis seems to be some kind of regression12:14
popeyzgreg: how are you exiting the workspace switcher?12:17
zgregclicking on a preview, or selecting with keyboard and pressing enter12:18
popeyzgreg: does it do it for a guest user with no customisations too?12:19
apwdidrocks, tgardner seems to have a setup where the super key is always showing the launcher on his right monitor regardless of the location of his cursor ...12:19
didrocksapw: something to ping DBO about I guess12:20
didrocksapw: nvidia?12:20
apwDBO, ^^ :)12:20
apwtgardner, ^^12:21
apwdidrocks, i think this one is a mac, an intel one12:21
tgardnerdidrocks, nope, Mac mini w/Intel12:21
didrocksok, let's see once DBO is around12:22
zgregpopey: I just checked. yes, it also crashes with the guest account12:25
didrockstgardner: you are using staging?12:28
tgardnerdidrocks, nope, fresh update from this AM12:28
didrocksok, on precise only?12:28
popeyzgreg: I'd file a bug then. does apport popup offering to file a bug for you?12:28
tgardnermy mirror synced about 3 hours ago12:28
didrocks(and you are using 3d, right?)12:28
tgardnerdidrocks, precise only, unity-3d (AFAIK)12:28
didrocksok, let's wait then12:29
tgardnerdidrocks, hmm, how do I fgiure that out? I don't seem to have a compiz in my process list12:29
didrocksenv | grep unity12:30
didrocksyou have unity-2d showing?12:30
tgardnerXDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity12:30
apwdidrocks, though if he has selected 3d, and its fallen back to 2d during login, will that be accurate ?12:31
* apw has a compiz on his 'definatly 3d' login12:31
didrocksapw: that's possible yeah12:31
didrockstgardner: and the process running, you don't have metacity and unity-2d processes?12:31
tgardnerdidrocks,  1975 ?        Sl     0:04 metacity12:33
tgardner 1992 ?        Sl     0:05 unity-2d-panel12:33
tgardner 1993 ?        Sl     0:12 unity-2d-shell12:33
tgardnerdidrocks, lemme logout and restart with 3d12:33
tgardnerdidrocks, I'm not actually given a choice of unity-3d12:35
tgardnerdidrocks, when logging in I noticed I _only_ have a unity-2d choice12:47
didrockstgardner: did you remove the unity package?12:47
didrocksapt-cache policy unity12:47
tgardnerdidrocks, not on purpose.12:47
didrockstgardner: btw, this behavior is the new one, -3d will have it soon as well12:48
didrocksapw: ^12:48
tgardnerrtg@dearborn:~$  apt-cache policy unity12:48
tgardnerunity:12:48
tgardner  Installed: (none)12:48
tgardner  Candidate: 5.6.0-0ubuntu412:48
tgardner  Version table:12:48
tgardner     5.6.0-0ubuntu4 012:48
tgardner        500 http://mirror/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages12:48
didrockssee ;)12:48
didrocksyou removed it12:48
didrockshence you have not the option at startup12:48
didrocksprobably a partial upgrade12:48
tgardnerdidrocks, likely. how dod I reinstall ?12:48
apwdidrocks, whats the new behaviour ?12:48
apwdidrocks, he just did a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ would that not be expected to reinstall unity ?12:49
didrockstgardner: apt-get install unity12:49
didrocksapw: if it's already installed, no, as it's a recommends12:49
apwerm its not installed ...12:50
didrocksI mean, if ubuntu-desktop is already installed12:50
apwdidrocks, are we about to get a change in launcher behaviour tommrrow ?12:50
didrocksit's not a new recommends12:50
didrocksso not installed12:50
apwahh ok12:50
didrocksyeah12:50
didrocksapw: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1b3CwE3Wemr347fTxNcu7ixEQBK4YD8JF2pyv5pxiY0U/edit12:50
tgardnerahh, launcher placement will be nice12:51
tgardnerlogging out to try 3d12:51
didrocksI just finished doing the gnome-control-center part, the new unity should support it12:52
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apwdidrocks, that sounds good... so will that be in unity-team/ppa today's updates ?12:52
didrocksapw: in fact, it's alrleady12:52
didrocksapw: you just don't have the interface for it12:53
didrocksI'll push it for beta212:53
apwahh when is the interface going to drop if we are getting the new location tommorrow12:53
didrocksI mean, I'll push the needed g-c-c at the same time12:54
didrocksapw: meanwhile, you should have the corresponding option in ccsm12:54
didrocksso setting the value in ccsm + setting the primary display should be the equivalent12:54
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apwdidrocks, so whats in unity-team/ppa is whats going into the archive on thu?  i should test that and whine?14:16
didrocksapw: not yet copied14:16
didrocksapw: still glitches14:17
didrockson the staging ppa14:17
apwdidrocks, oh ok, do poke me when its available i have some machines set up to test14:17
didrocksapw: will do!14:17
tbf_https://plus.google.com/photos/105507097221940492572/albums/5719805503513319441/5719805502928065218 ← might be worth to pick up that indicator panel's clock and settings button layout14:19
tbf_i like it.14:19
davidcallekenvandine, ping14:24
kenvandinedavidcalle, pong14:27
davidcalleWould you have the time for a video lens + scope upload before the freeze?14:27
kenvandinedavidcalle, i'll do my best14:28
davidcalleThanks a lot :)14:28
mhr3davidcalle, we'll need to tweak the video lens - i noticed it returns results for a query even after you changed the query14:42
mhr3to elaborate search for "abcdef" will return results for "a" even though you're already waiting for "abcdef"14:43
mhr3and since the webservice is slow, it's pretty distracting14:43
davidcallemhr3, this is odd, as it's supposed to cancel running http queries when the search changes.14:45
mhr3davidcalle, just saying what i see14:46
davidcallemhr3, let's blame dee then :p14:50
mhr3davidcalle, you're forgetting that dee is perfect :P14:50
mhr3right kenvandine? :)14:51
kenvandinemhr3, right you are!14:52
davidcallemhr3, hmm, I cant reproduce it here (and my connection is quite slow). Maybe a bug involving server caching + the IP geolocation. (Ok, IP geolocation is a little far fetched, but what i'm seeing is that it works in my part of the world :P)14:55
davidcallemhr3, I'll ask Chipaca to look into it.14:56
mhr3davidcalle, did anything change since 5.6?14:57
davidcallemhr3, nothing on the scope side that would impact results this way. But I know that the server is still evolving.14:59
mhr3hmm, now that i'm testing it, i'm not really getting the issue15:00
zgregpopey: seems like the bug vanished with the latest update. I didn't find any ovious in the changelog, though15:11
zgregI hope this is not a heisenbug15:12
zgregby the way, how can I force unity to use glsl shaders?15:12
zgregor rather nux15:12
popeypass15:14
zygaI just got a interesting unity bug15:20
zygadrag an icon from the launcher15:20
zygawhile the icon is being dragged, trigger a share/notice me effect on that application15:21
zygathe drag is interrupted but a copy of the icon is left hovering15:21
argesdidrocks, hello apw said I should contact you if i'm having critical unity bugs in precise. was wondering what the process was for sending a good unity bug and making sure it gets looked at15:24
didrocksarges: the easiest is first to report it with ubuntu-bug unity15:24
* apw does a meercat impression ...15:24
argesdidrocks, yup did that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/96053215:24
ubot5Ubuntu bug 960532 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity does not respond to clicking" [Undecided,New]15:24
argesi assigned it to unity bugs, but it just got unassigned, so not sure if i'm doing something wrong15:25
didrocksarges: don't assign bugs to people15:25
didrocksom26er: can you please have a look to triage it?15:25
didrocksdoesn't seem to be GPU related at all, not sure why bilahl asked you for it15:26
argesdidrocks, ok in the future, ubuntu-bug unity should be sufficient for it to show up on your queue?15:26
didrocksarges: right15:27
didrocksif you see no upstream reaction at all15:27
argesok thanks15:27
didrockslike 7 days frmo now15:27
didrockspoke me :15:27
didrocks:)15:27
didrocksbut still, I guess there is a need for more information on this one15:28
argesdidrocks, sure what kind of info?15:28
didrockslet's see what om26er traditionnaly do in this case :)15:28
argesok15:28
bluefrogis, creating manually a .desktop file, the only way to create a shortcut on the desktop for example?16:01
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mhall119tedg: would it be technically possible for the HUD to search only a sub-tree of a window's menu?16:51
tedgmhall119, Uhm, not really?  Why?16:55
mhall119tedg: I'm brainstorming16:56
mhall119about what HUD might look like if it replaced menus for browsing16:56
tedgmhall119, well, I guess, it's feasible with development work.  It's not feasible in today's code.16:57
tedgmhall119, we know the menu hierarchy, but we flatten it to make it search faster.16:58
tedgmhall119, We could keep more hierarchical data if needed.16:58
jo-erlendtedg, how could that possibly make the search faster? That seems counter intuitive to me.17:10
tedgjo-erlend, Because we always have to go over all the entires, and by breaking down the hierarchy early we effectively cache the parts of it we care about.17:11
tedgjo-erlend, so in the end there's no recursion, just a loop.17:12
jo-erlendtedg, right. But if you walk up the tree instead, then there will always be fewer items to check?17:12
tedgjo-erlend, No, not really, since the match could occur anywhere.  A search for "filter" could be "Effects > filter > blur" or in "document > filter results" so we have to do the whole tree everytime.17:13
jo-erlendright, but chances are you'll use tools from some submenus more frequently than others. I mean, for instance... In Audacity, there is one menu that I use far more often than anyone else, and that's the Effects menu. So if you begin at the effect I use and increase the "popularity" of each menu as you traverse, then you could begin at the most popular menu and search upwards from there. There will still be the same number of items to check.17:15
jo-erlendtedg, I see your point about  having to test all entries.17:24
tedgjo-erlend, We actually check popularity second, partially because the cost of accessing the DB is higher.17:25
jo-erlendhowever, testing the most likely nodes first will present the most likely results first, and it's highly likely that the user will interrupt the search by selecting the most likely result. That breaks the assumption that you have to test all the nodes.17:25
tedgjo-erlend, Yup, and we're getting there.  Unity should support proper updating with progressive results here soon.  Then we can do that optimization.17:26
jo-erlendah, that's cool.17:27
jo-erlendtedg, what kind of database do you use for the popularity contest, btw?17:28
tedgjo-erlend, Just SQLite17:28
tedgjo-erlend, I imagine we'll move to Zeitgeist eventually though.17:29
tedgjo-erlend, that way we can start to coordinate the results with the document open.17:29
jo-erlendright. That's a must :)17:29
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mhall119tedg: thoughts? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mhall119/HUD_Concepts18:27
tedgmhall119, I'm offended you use the cpu monitor indicator :-)18:29
tedgmhall119, I guess I don't think HUD will ever be useful for browsing menus.18:29
tedgmhall119, I don't think that is really a useful thing in general, if we can get good at people actually expressing intent (in their language) we shouldn't need to worry about where the item is located in a relatively arbitrary hierarchy.18:30
zgreghmm, what's the preferred way to submit code? patch? bzr branch?18:57
seb128zgreg, launchpad merge requests18:58
seb128zgreg, http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/#coding18:58
zgregso, I should create a branch with my changes and request a merge?18:58
mhall119tedg: Thunderbird has a tendency to get stuck and hit 100% CPU usage, so it's really a "time to pkill thunderbird-bin" monitor18:59
zgregis that the preferred way even for single commits?18:59
zgregalright, I'll read that18:59
zgregmhall119: really? never happens to me :)18:59
seb128zgreg, read the 4 blue frames18:59
mhall119zgreg: there's been some discussion about what the "preferred way" is18:59
mhall119zgreg: I get the feeling it's my mbox files19:00
seb128zgreg, but it's basically branch lp:unity, hack, push to your lp:~user/unity/something, and merge propose on launchpad19:00
mhall119tedg: I'm thinking of a way to make HUD provide usable menus on non-desktop devices19:02
mhall119tedg: these HUD mockups wouldn't be all to different in appearance from my pre-HUD phone mockup: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/uphone/19:03
mhall119just add a search input at the top19:04
bmoezi tried to open shell/shell.qmlproject in qtcreator from the lastest source (unity-2D 5.7), i had problem in "import Unity-2d 1.0", i had installed libunity*, what is missing?19:09
MCR1have you seen the stereo-3d-compiz plugin ?19:10
bmoez?19:13
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zgregalright, I definitely got to the root of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/92744119:26
ubot5Ubuntu bug 927441 in unity (Ubuntu Precise) "Far left character in panel (and launcher popups) distorted" [High,Confirmed]19:26
zgregnux is trying to be to clever19:26
zgreg*too19:26
jalcineheh don't they all.19:28
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mhall119is libunity common between both unity and unity-2d?19:48
mhall119thumper: are you around?20:00
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MCR1bmoez: It is a new compiz plug-in written by ddudek: https://code.launchpad.net/~ddudek20:08
MCR1bmoez: he had problems with integration to Unity, but this is his master degree masterpiece ;)20:09
MCR1it is a great plug-in adding 3d stereo possibility to Compiz/Unity and also having a very nice effect when bringing windows from the back to the front20:10
MCR1I have just seen he added additional stuff today20:11
bmoezMCR1:but, it is unity-2d not unity 3d20:11
MCR1bmoez: ?20:11
MCR1it is a plugin for Compiz, so it is 3d ofc20:12
bmoezthe source that i tried to change is unity-2d 5.720:12
* jalcine uses Unity 4D.20:13
MCR1bmoez: misunderstanding - sry - I thought you asked about the plugin ;)20:13
bmoez:-)20:14
ryehow should unity switcher behave when one window of the app is on one workspace and the second one is on another?20:14
JanCjalcine: a 4th-gen database language-enabled unity?20:15
jalcineJanC: you know it!20:15
JanCI once played with a trial version of 4D on DOS in the late 1980s or so  :P20:16
bmoezwhen i kill unity-2d-shell process, firefox close (opened from unity launcher) !!?20:20
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thumpermhall119: in body, but not spirit20:23
thumpermhall119: my spirit is on calls20:24
broderi'm running into a bug where compiz seems to randomly create and map all-white windows and stack them above everything else. seems to trigger in particular either when i get a chrome desktop notification or (most recently) when i open a new tab20:24
broderis this a known issue?20:24
mhall119thumper: I think you should reverse that :)20:25
mhall119send the body to sit in meetings, let the spirit be free20:26
mhall119thumper: I'm re-thinking the sub-categorys for unity.u.c/getinvolved/coding, can you still see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/14G-BDOxb6h9jI9DADHEC74Hhv6fp0yMk-4c8LmSiYGY/edit?authkey=CJbH-OUB ?20:26
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thumperbroder: known about, but if you can reproduce that would be awesome20:41
broderthumper: i can't reproduce it consistently20:41
broderbut it happens probably about once a day or so20:41
broderusually it's about 200px wide x 10px tall, and just under the panel. today i also got one that was about 1000x1000 which was much more irritating20:42
thumperbroder: the one thing that has come up though, is it seems to consistently be the desktop notifications that cause this issue20:48
broderthumper: with the exception of the larger-than-usual window i saw today, i would agree with that20:49
zgregcan someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~greg-chown/nux/bug-927441/+merge/98729 please?20:49
ubot5Ubuntu bug 145709 in qt-x11-free (Ubuntu Gutsy) "duplicate for #98729 7.10: Qt3 /etc/qt3/qtrc owner root result in ugly appearance" [Undecided,Fix released]20:49
zgregthe bot is a bit stupid...20:50
zgregnux seems quite inefficient... it does about 20 opengl calls for drawing one textured quad... no batching, and it doesn't even try to reduce the number of state changes21:05
zgregthere's probably a notable number of low hanging fruit that could speed it up considerably21:05
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jalcineWest21:31
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