[00:04] <snap-l> greg-g: Frankly all of those deal sites are assholes imho
[00:05] <snap-l> was re: livinsocial
[00:05] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, agreed, just someone else who has control of my credit card account likes them :)
[00:05] <rick_h> ruh roh
[00:06] <snap-l> brousch: while you were pushing out a turd sandwich, they pushed out an Ice Cream Sandwich? ;)
[00:06] <snap-l> Oh lovely
[00:08] <_stink_> chocolate gelato
[00:09] <rick_h> ok, the sound quality is C+ at best, and I've not been able to work out with them to see if they stay in my ears, but the functionality of these things rock http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0052YFYFK/ref=oh_o03_s00_i00_details
[00:12] <snap-l> THat's not exactly a resounding review. :)
[00:12] <snap-l> Also looks uncomfortable as hell
[00:13] <rick_h> well, that's the thing I guess. My wired earbuds cost the same roughly, but the ability to do calls, controls for play/volume, etc are awesome.
[00:13] <rick_h> and the little magnetic earbug catchers is sweet
[00:13] <rick_h> it's not, that's the thing, you forget they're there
[12:37] <rick_h> morning
[12:39] <brousch> yes!
[12:41] <rick_h> anyone mastered tmux yet? Trying to create a two window session via cmd line
[12:41] <rick_h> and not quite getting it right
[12:53] <snap-l> rick_h: Haven't used it that way, so I'm not sure
[12:55] <snap-l> tmux new-window \; split-window -d ?
[13:00] <rick_h> snap-l: that was it, missing the escaping of the ;
[13:00] <jrwren> gmorning
[13:00] <rick_h> thanks
[13:00] <jrwren> what does the ; literal tell tmux?
[13:00] <rick_h> finished up the tmux book and have some ideas on creating some shortcuts for things
[13:00] <jrwren> why did tmux use ; ?  sad them.
[13:00] <jrwren> i'm still on screen, cuz i'm nub
[13:00] <rick_h> tells tmux to run multiple commands on a line
[13:01] <jrwren> oh. so tmux 'new-window;split-window' would work nicely too?
[13:01] <rick_h> I can't get into the splits too much because I'm a bad mouse'ing copy/paster
[13:01] <jrwren> me too.
[13:01] <rick_h> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/570/
[13:02] <rick_h> so I'm using that to setup my normal mutt/irc terminal, and I'll create others for things like bookie remote where it'll log into both my www and db server and such
[13:02] <rick_h> and for launchpad where I normally open a pair of terms so I can make run and still do filesystem/bzr commands in the other
[13:02] <rick_h> so going to try to create basically dev shortcuts that auto setup tmux sessions with all the windows/etc I need ready to go
[13:42] <jrwren> i start new screen sessions so rarely that i no longer script the window creation.
[13:42] <jrwren> i did at one time, but no more.
[13:43] <snap-l> The only one that I have scripted is for connecting to IRC
[13:44] <snap-l> so all I have to type is IRC, and it'll either connect to a current session, or start a new one
[13:44] <rick_h> yea, I've always started them up from awesome so I get the mutt/irc ones on the right desktop/workspace
[13:44] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/571/
[13:45] <rick_h> snap-l: right, I'm using tmux has-session
[13:45] <snap-l> oh?
[13:45] <rick_h> doing the same thing, but getting two windows, one for mutt and one for irc
[13:45] <rick_h> yea, go back to the paste 570
[13:46] <snap-l> Ah, I'll check that out
[13:46] <rick_h> so I can get it to start up in the background now, just have to -t to it now it looks like
[13:46] <rick_h> the attach part isn't working right from within autostart, but oh well, I'll just -t coms once the startup finishes
[13:47] <rick_h> but with bookie dev, I've gotten to where I need one terminal for git/file stuff, one to run the web server from, one I start/watch celery from, etc
[13:47] <rick_h> so want to automate that bit
[14:32] <brousch> anyone heard of MNX Solutions? http://www.mnxsolutions.com/
[14:32] <brousch> they were apparently at pycon
[14:33] <rick_h> brousch: no, don't recall chatting with them
[14:33] <brousch> office in monroe
[14:34] <rick_h> cool
[14:38] <brousch> hm, nixternal follows them on twitter
[14:42] <jrwren> looks like they do some fun things: http://www.mnxsolutions.com/storage/terabytes-on-a-budget.html
[14:42] <snap-l> I think I've seen the logo, but that's about it
[14:43] <rick_h> cool, have the tmux scripting bits going I think http://paste.mitechie.com/show/572/
[14:43] <rick_h> can't get it to auto attach a terminal to the session, but oh well
[14:48] <brousch> Oh, robert Citek works at MNX. He came to one of the Ubuntu Bug Jams
[14:48] <rick_h> hmm, that name sounds familiar
[14:49] <brousch> well, you were there too
[14:49] <rick_h> heh
[14:50] <brousch> he's also had a few posts to the ubuntu-mi mailing list
[14:50] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[15:14] <ColonelPanic001> I'm too dumb to use google groups.
[15:22] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: now now, it's not your fault...well maybe
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> :'(
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm using google apps with a domain of mine - I made a "group", and emailing groupname@mydomain.org does send the email along to all members, looks like
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> but, is there any kind of web interface for this, for "the internets" at large?
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> something I can point to and say "go there and add yourself"?
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> I can manually manage the list fine if needed, not that big of a deal, but just expected there to be some sort of self-service option or something
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> and with that, my lunch group is heading out - back later
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> if anyone knows though, I'd love a PM
[15:30] <ColonelPanic001> not critical though
[15:31] <rick_h> man I bought too many books last year...
[15:33] <jrwren> paper?
[15:34] <rick_h> no, ebooks mostly
[15:34] <rick_h> I think this last year was the great year for ebooks finally
[15:35] <jrwren> for you.
[15:35] <rick_h> yea, for me
[15:58] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[15:58] <snap-l> I bought more ebooks than paper books, for sure
[16:09] <jrwren> https://github.com/tpope/vim-fugitive   bookie suggested tags: openmetalcast clubmetal
[16:09] <jrwren> lol
[16:15] <rick_h> jrwren: heh, yea, I've got a fix for that in place, but not deployed I don't think
[16:15] <rick_h> it's picking up snap-l's last used tags on accident
[16:16] <greg-g> all tags shall be snap-l's tags
[16:16] <rick_h> heh, well guessing he's got the last bookmark in the system.
[16:16] <rick_h> in the api call it checks against your account, but in the online web form it didn't have the user filter
[16:16] <rick_h> so the chrome suggested tags would be right which is why I didn't notice them off on the webui
[16:17] <rick_h> man, tax time is getting depressing as the years go on
[16:17] <rick_h> I remember the good ole days when I could count on a nice refund to help my fresh out of college party budget :)
[16:20] <jrwren> just claim zero on your i9 and it will be fun again
[16:20] <rick_h> heh, I think we both cut down last year and still went over this year
[16:21] <rick_h> all those exemptions I used to get don't count any more :(
[16:27] <greg-g> yay new kid exemption!
[16:27] <snap-l> rick_h: What's fun is one of JODee's schools didn't take out ANY federal tax
[16:27] <snap-l> nada
[16:27] <rick_h> greg-g: woot
[16:27] <rick_h> snap-l: ouch
[16:27] <greg-g> snap-l: oh man, yeah, annoying
[16:27] <snap-l> Yeah, was fun to see the refund slowly whittled away
[16:27] <snap-l> Started with >$1k, and then wound up owing
[16:28] <rick_h> I just try to break even these days, but seems every year we adjust and every year we still owe
[16:28] <rick_h> gotta stop getting new jobs I guess
[16:28] <snap-l> Yeah,no kidding
[16:28]  * greg-g hasn't owed once yet
[16:28]  * greg-g knocks on wood
[16:28] <snap-l> greg-g: You have a kid now. :)
[16:28] <snap-l> Seriously, filing dependents really starts screwing with your taxes
[16:28] <greg-g> yeah, shit will definitely be changing in the future :)
[16:29]  * snap-l needs to tell J to just file no exemptions
[16:29] <rick_h> heh, I remember when student load interest things would knock taxes down a ton, now we don't qualify for them to count for us
[16:29] <snap-l> because I think it's all because she follows the instructions
[16:30] <rick_h> yea, that's what we did the last couple of years and we've stopped that
[16:30] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh yeah, they love student loans
[16:30] <rick_h> not any more, once you're over a certain income they don't count. I went in with 10 sheets between my wife and I, just shredded them
[16:31] <snap-l> rick_h: Ugh
[16:31] <rick_h> anyway, getting the last bits together for things so figured I'd whine in irc like a big boy :)
[16:31] <snap-l> rick_h: Any chance of working for the railroads and developing a heavy gambling problem while living on a reservation?
[16:32] <rick_h> lol, I'll look into it
[16:32] <snap-l> SOmething for 2012
[16:33] <snap-l> I'm sure there's someone out there that qualifies for every exemption out there, and has to be the luckiest person alive.
[16:33] <snap-l> and by lucky, I mean not terribly
[16:38] <snap-l> http://www.atlas-games.com/product_tables/AG2705.php
[16:38] <snap-l> greg-g, _stink_, rick_h, please read this to your kids. :)
[16:39] <rick_h> lol
[17:37] <jrwren> jus tthought of a cool byobu feature... a kb command to collapse expand the status bars.
[17:37] <jrwren> does that exist?
[17:38] <jrwren> show/hide whatever.
[17:39] <jrwren> hrm... just learned about ctrl-a $ in byobu, that is cool.
[17:41] <jrwren> hrm, i'm on ancient byobu apparently. 4.37 while 5.16 is latest. *sigh*
[17:41] <jrwren> i'm afraid to move to tmux and relearn all my ancient screen keys
[17:41] <rick_h> the water is warm over here
[17:42] <jrwren> but I'm ctrl-a all over the place!
[17:42] <rick_h> http://uploads.mitechie.com/books/tmux_p1_1.pdf
[17:42] <jrwren> I type ctrl-a,a for begin of line... always.
[17:42] <rick_h> I use ctrl-a
[17:42] <rick_h> you just change the map
[17:42] <brousch> warm water means someone just peed in it
[17:42] <rick_h> wheeeeee
[17:42] <jrwren> where is chapter for "migrating from screen" ?
[17:43] <rick_h> jrwren: didn't see it
[17:43] <rick_h> http://blog.yjl.im/2009/11/migrating-to-tmux-from-gnuscreen.html
[17:43] <jrwren> ty
[18:39] <greg-g> warning to my G+ followers, I just swore a lot
[18:39] <rick_h> lol
[18:41] <brousch> hm, i thought it would be related to the threats to your family you mentioned on twitter
[18:42] <greg-g> brousch: oh, yeah, I'm quite pissed off at this "romantic" hotel we were going to stay at in Tahoe. Yelled at Carrie/Rowan and made him cry, then this fucking redneck in a dirty white t-shirt came out of his room and stared me down and yelled at me and postured in a very "I'm going to hurt you if you don't leave" kind of way
[18:43] <brousch> geez
[18:43] <greg-g> yeah
[18:43] <brousch> sounds like a lovely place
[18:43] <greg-g> long story, but, we stayed at Best Western instead, with much bigger rooms for about a third the price (just no gas fireplace, oh well)
[18:53] <jrwren> wow, sounds shitty
[18:53] <jrwren> greg-g: keep yo head up
[18:55] <snap-l> greg-g: Sorry to hear that
[18:56] <snap-l> but remember, thereason to head out was to have a romantic get-away. :)
[18:56] <snap-l> so for fuck's sake, be romantic. ;)
[18:56] <greg-g> haha, we were :)
[18:56] <greg-g> and, SNOW!
[18:56] <greg-g> http://www.flickr.com/photos/grggrssmr/sets/72157629624437481/with/6998768501/
[18:57] <snap-l> This is not the first thing that comes to mind for Tahoe
[19:06] <brousch> first thing that comes to mind for tahoe: a chevy suv
[19:11] <tjagoda> Hola
[19:11] <brousch> blackberryboy is back!
[19:12] <tjagoda> If I am to have this title, I at least demand a cape.
[19:12] <tjagoda> I'm using XFCE
[19:12] <tjagoda> Like a boss.
[19:12] <rick_h> and I thought I was the guy stuck on the old tech
[19:12] <rick_h> :P
[19:17] <tjagoda> I was using KDE
[19:17] <tjagoda> but I got annoyed with it
[19:17] <tjagoda> now I use XFCE because its so similar to Gnome 2.2 =(
[19:20] <brousch> xfce would not sleep on my laptop
[19:20] <snap-l> xfce ate my baby
[19:23] <Blazeix> I set up xfce for my parents. "Use Friendly Names" is the best setting ever.
[19:23] <Blazeix> it renames applications in the menus, so like "OpenOffice Calc" -> "Spreadsheet"
[19:24] <snap-l> Does it rename "Gnome Disk Utility" to "Don't even THINK of touching this?"
[19:43] <jrwren> tahoe snow!
[19:43] <jrwren> haha... i forgot how cute babies are all bundled up for snow
[20:36] <greg-g> jrwren: :)