[00:00] <knome> nope
[00:00] <knome> i'm investigating to get it working for xubuntu too...
[00:00] <len-1204> knome, DL complete.
[00:00] <knome> oh right, the painkillers
[00:00] <astraljava> Well I wasn't really referring to... yeah. :)
[00:00] <knome> it all started with a broken, 2 meter tall door...
[00:00] <astraljava> Ouch!
[00:00] <knome> len-1204, okay, now open a file manager
[00:01] <len-1204> Ja, done
[00:01] <knome> len-1204, browse to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/slideshows/ubuntustudio/slides/link/
[00:01] <knome> len-1204, open base.css
[00:02] <knome> len-1204, on line 69, it should say: height: 550px;
[00:02] <knome> len-1204, change that to 470px
[00:02] <knome> len-1204, you probably want to keep that file open for possible future editing
[00:03] <knome> len-1204, then, go back to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/
[00:03] <knome> len-1204, ping me when done
[00:04] <len-1204> knome ping
[00:04] <knome> astraljava, remember our hallway cabinets? one of those doors fell of :)
[00:04] <knome> len-1204, okay, now run test-slideshow.sh
[00:04] <knome> len-1204, select ubuntustudio
[00:04] <knome> and click okay
[00:04] <knome> ;)
[00:04] <knome> now, does the slideshow fit in your netbook monitor?
[00:06] <astraljava> knome: Sorry to hear that. :(
[00:07] <knome> astraljava, well, the pains come from *fixing* that...
[00:08] <len-1204> knome: yes it fits with a white bar on the bottom. I can't see the bottom of the window itself. but that may be something else.
[00:09] <knome> len-1204, so you still can't see the progressbar?
[00:09] <knome> :<
[00:09] <astraljava> knome: Not so sorry. EVO. :)
[00:09] <knome> hahah.
[00:09] <knome> well
[00:09] <len-1204> There is more than enough room for the info that normally goes there.
[00:09] <len-1204> Should I see one with this test.
[00:10] <knome> astraljava, wife was leaving to work, when it fell off. he handed me the door and "i have to go now..."
[00:10] <astraljava> ...as she should... :)
[00:10] <knome> len-1204, hmm? i didn't quite follow you
[00:11] <len-1204> should I see a progress bar with test-slideshow.sh? There is room for it.
[00:11] <knome> yes
[00:11] <knome> you should, it should actually appear just under the white line
[00:11] <knome> try to alt+drag
[00:12] <len-1204> knome, it appears the SS is cut off but the Pbar has not moved up then.
[00:12] <knome> hmm
[00:12] <knome> screenshot would help... :)
[00:15] <knome> len-1204, actually, try this:
[00:15] <knome> len-1204, in u-s-u/slideshows/ubuntustudio, edit slideshow.conf
[00:15] <knome> and change the height value for 470
[00:15] <len-1204> knome, the P bar is there all right. just under the screen.
[00:15] <knome> after that, i'd *love* a screenshot
[00:16] <len-1204> I have a screen shot now, but I will try that first then I will have more.
[00:16] <knome> great
[00:19] <len-1204> That works but I would like to try some more values... it could be taller.
[00:19] <knome> can you give me a shot now, and i can tell you what you should try?
[00:20] <knome> i mean, i can check the exact "free" pixel amount
[00:22] <len-1204> Knome I have tried 520, How do I send you a screen shot? Can I ndo it with irc?
[00:23] <knome> len-1204, http://imagebin.org/
[00:23] <knome> len-1204, -> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[00:24] <knome> so 520 works too?
[00:24] <knome> wonderful.
[00:24] <knome> eeeeexcellent.
[00:25] <ScottL> knome, will 520 change the layout drastically, specifically will i need to crop the images further?
[00:25] <knome> ScottL, no, it will be done automatically.
[00:25] <knome> ScottL, i mean, what is overlapping is just... overlapping and hidden :)
[00:26] <len-1204> knome http://imagebin.org/204442
[00:26] <ScottL> that looks good to me, i don't mind it "falling off" the bottom
[00:26] <knome> len-1204, awesome
[00:26] <ScottL> at least as much as "falling off" the right ;)
[00:27] <knome> len-1204, thanks a lot for testing
[00:27] <len-1204> knome, I set both heights to 520. In the two files we were playing with.
[00:27] <knome> yup, that's great
[00:29] <len-1204> knome do I have to do anything with the imagebin, or just leave it?
[00:29] <knome> len-1204, just leave it, and as far as i'm concerned, feel free to remove the u-s-u directory too :)
[00:30] <len-1204> When I do the next test install.... it will vanish...
[00:35] <knome> that's right ;)
[00:46] <knome> uaaaah.
[00:46] <knome> :)
[00:48] <knome> ScottL, you still on?
[00:57] <ScottL> knome, yes
[00:58] <ScottL> CFHowlett, are you mr. e ?
[00:58] <knome> ScottL, feel free to test https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntustudio
[00:58] <ScottL> okay
[00:58] <knome> ScottL, i already added a comment on the UIFe bug
[00:59] <knome> but just to let you see this too ;)
[00:59] <CFHowlett> yes I am.  why?
[00:59] <CFHowlett> *gotta change that thing..."
[01:25] <ScottL> knome, i noticed the slideshow had the window sliders/scroll on the bottom and the right
[01:25] <ScottL> knome, and the slides seemed to move slowly (maybe it was just loading during installation)
[01:26] <ScottL> oh, for item #1, it seemed that the background/image/text was too big for the "windows" and therefore required the scroll/sliders
[01:27] <ScottL> CFHowlett, you sent me an email and i don't remember if i responded or not
[01:27] <CFHowlett> ScottL   probably my request about the "etched ubuntu" proposed wallpapers.  I would like them to be released even if they're not in the official wallpaper package.
[01:28] <CFHowlett> *please*
[01:37] <ScottL> i have it on my list for this cycle, which is coming up near the top of the list
[01:37] <ScottL> as long as i have a clear licensing on them i can do it :)
[01:37] <ScottL> CFHowlett, ^^^
[01:38] <CFHowlett> ScottL   good to know.  As I stated, that is some excellent art ... very appropriate for a design distro ...
[01:39] <astraljava> ScottL: now that seeing CFHowlett here, reminded me about the support channel topic. Have you fixed it yet?
[01:40] <astraljava> ...and this channel's topic could use some love, too. :)
[02:10] <ScottL> sadly, i don't really remember what it was :/
[02:12] <CFHowlett> I commented that the topic of #ubuntustudio gave excessive mention of audio production while virtually ignoring graphics and video.  I wrote up an alternate topic which I've now completely forgotten ...
[02:18] <astraljava> CFHowlett: Do you have the suggestion available handy? I can dig it up from the logs if you don't.
[02:18] <CFHowlett> astraljava   please find it in logs - about 45 days ago?  
[02:22] <astraljava> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntustudio.log:2726:00:33 < cfhowlett> Greetings mods:  Suggested update to the default ubotto description of this channel: "Ubuntu Studio is a collection of multimedia tools for musicians, writers, film-makers, photographers, desktop-publishers, designers and other media digital artists."
[02:22] <astraljava> CFHowlett: That one?
[02:22] <CFHowlett> exactly!
[02:22] <astraljava> ScottL: What do you think?
[02:23] <ScottL> sounds good
[02:23] <CFHowlett> switch  *digital media* artists
[02:23] <ScottL> i can update this topic in a bit
[02:24] <astraljava> Great! Thanks guys! Now just come up with something sane for this channel as well. :)
[02:24] <CFHowlett> lol!
[02:24] <ScottL> oh, the ubiquity background/text issue seems fixed
[02:24] <astraljava> Schweet!
[02:24] <CFHowlett> ScottL   last line should be *digital media artists*
[02:24] <ScottL> i have a list that i'm checking off, which reminds me that i need to get back up there and check on it
[02:25] <ScottL> CFHowlett, i'll fix it
[02:25] <ScottL> hehe, the old topic in #ubuntustudio says 'we do not have a live cd"
[02:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Err... how can it be? There is no us-live-settings package in the archives, yet.
[02:27] <ScottL> astraljava, i haven't a clue actually
[02:27] <astraljava> ScottL: I suppose a lot of documentation needs to be fixed regarding that message in many other places, too.
[02:28] <ScottL> good question, but it worked correctly
[02:28] <ScottL> astraljava, interstingly i'm not a channel operator in #ubuntustudio and therefore cannot change the topic :P
[02:28] <ScottL> you, or someone else, may have to do that
[02:28] <astraljava> ScottL: No big surprise. It's those blasted IRC mods who can't do their jobs properly... *snicker*
[02:29] <ScottL> astraljava, after i check a few things, only take a few minutes, i will reinstall and test the ubiquity installer from the live FS
[02:29] <astraljava> ScottL: I don't suppose I've been granted those privileges. I just assumed you had.
[02:30] <astraljava> jussi: Can you check how the privileges for our channels have been distributed?
[02:31] <ScottL> huh, my install is not finished yet and may be hung :(
[02:45] <astraljava> ScottL: "Preparing to install Ubuntu-Studio" — why the dash?
[02:45] <astraljava> Ugh... and we have Xubuntu's logo there, too.
[02:46] <CFHowlett> astraljava  feel the same way about the x/logo.  That'll be the first fix I apply post-installation.
[02:52] <astraljava> Isn't it "professional-grade", _with_ the dash there?
[02:55] <ScottL> astraljava, where is this?
[02:55] <ScottL> i *think* i found the problem with the 64bit image installation problem perhaps
[02:56] <ScottL> it looks like update-manger-core (someversion.9) couldn't be installed as a dependencies
[02:56] <ScottL> but the image was built
[02:56] <ScottL> which i am presuming might have caused the installation to hang
[02:58] <astraljava> ScottL: During the first few steps, there was that as a title. professional grade was in the slideshow. I'd also like to see the link as http://ubuntustudio.org, and some mention of IRC on the other row of the last slideshow page.
[02:58] <ScottL> launchpad is showing that version 1:0.156.9 was published 9 hours and 20 minute ago which might mean some of these packages were not available during build time
[02:58] <ScottL> i am surmising
[02:59] <ScottL> astraljava, those are not the final slides, i have changes them significantly
[02:59] <ScottL> astraljava,  bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[03:00] <ScottL>  browse to ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[03:00] <astraljava> ScottL: Ok, thanks.
[03:00] <ScottL>  run test-slideshow.sh and select ubuntu studio
[03:01] <ScottL> they are dramatically different and i don't think have the xubuntu logo anywhere (at least i hope not)
[03:01] <ScottL> (not to denegrate the xubuntu logo)
[03:01] <astraljava> Oh, it's hideous, but that's not the point. *grin*
[03:02] <ScottL> which reminds me, knome i saw the email on the new xubuntu logo, i really like the new one quite a lot
[03:02] <ScottL> lol astraljava 
[03:03] <astraljava> Is there no Alt + F4 method for seeing what the installer is doing, like there is for alternate?
[03:04] <astraljava> I still miss the alternate installer... *snif*
[03:04] <astraljava> At least I can still play with it over on the Xubuntu side. :)
[03:05] <ScottL> i tried did alt-f1 and checked casper.log and a few others
[03:05] <ScottL> is alt-f4 special?
[03:06] <astraljava> Alt+F1 doesn't seem to work i qemu at least. I'll try that on real hw install later.
[03:06] <ScottL> i'll check tomorrow image (and check the email for other build failures)
[03:07] <ScottL> astraljava, you can see the first slide from len-1204 's imagebin:  http://imagebin.org/204442
[03:07] <astraljava> Yeah.
[03:08] <astraljava> Looks very different from this one.
[03:08] <astraljava> I'm having just different shades of gray.
[03:15] <astraljava> ScottL: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_precise_dash-and-xubuntu-logo.png
[03:16] <len-1204> astraljava, instead of alt-F4, I open a terminal and go: less /var/log/syslog
[03:17] <len-1204> then when it runs type F (capital)
[03:17] <len-1204> It is about the same as what was on alt F4
[03:18] <len-1204> Just the install is different ... with the live dvd we are not opening packages....
[03:18] <len-1204> tail -F doen't work BTW.
[03:18] <ScottL> astraljava, ah, i see, i wonder where that is?
[03:18] <astraljava> len-1204: Open a terminal? When ubiquity is running?
[03:19] <ScottL> i'm guessing we need grep'ing xubuntu in our packages
[03:19] <astraljava> len-1204: Oh, you went to the live session first?
[03:19] <len-1204> I try to open it before, but if you are running live you should be able to... switch desktops helps too.
[03:19] <astraljava> len-1204: But that's not possible when you chose to install it directly at the menu.
[03:20] <len-1204> Ya, live session.
[03:20] <len-1204> True.
[03:20] <len-1204> Youe can still open a console and do it there... I have had problems in the past doing that though.
[03:21] <astraljava> len-1204: Right, but is that possible when testing in qemu?
[03:21] <len-1204> I have never tried that.
[03:23] <len-1204> If you can cd to the root dir of the running iso image it should be possible.
[03:23] <astraljava> Ha!
[03:24] <astraljava> Ctrl+Alt+1, type `sendkey ctrl-alt-f1', Ctrl+Alt+1 again.
[03:27] <astraljava> Oh sorry, should have been 2 at first.
[03:31] <len-1204> astraljava, qemu is a virtual machine?
[03:31] <astraljava> len-1204: Yep.
[03:32] <astraljava> len-1204: You might have missed it, but there's an excellent testing tool for images, called testdrive. Makes it very easy to test dailies.
[03:33] <len-1204> I looked at it, what I do is not that much more complex.
[03:33] <astraljava> In it you can choose between various virtual machines, I picked up qemu-kvm as vbox failed in getting the guest on the internet.
[03:34] <astraljava> len-1204: Of course it's not that hard to do zsync etc., but I found it pretty nifty.
[03:34] <len-1204> I have a script on my desktop, double click and it syncs the iso. then print the usb stick and go.
[03:34] <astraljava> Sure.
[03:35] <len-1204> It is a real install on a real machine. I want to test that way. I "should" be doing more on my desktop.
[03:35] <len-1204> It has an nvidea (or however they spell it) card.
[03:35] <astraljava> Yeah I need to do more testing on hw, I've been lazy recently.
[03:36] <astraljava> Nvidia/nVidia, I'm not sure either.
[03:37] <len-1204> I have found the live session is really good the install seems identical
[03:37] <len-1204> but install test ubiquity.
[03:37] <len-1204> s/test/tests/
[03:37] <kubotu> len-1204 meant: "but install tests ubiquity."
[03:38] <astraljava> Good to hear. I assume I'll get used to it soon, then I'll carry around a USB stick with persistent data.
[03:39] <len-1204> For "real" work, I have found memory a limit with live.
[03:39] <len-1204> I only have 1G
[03:44] <astraljava> Yep.
[03:52] <astraljava> len-1204: But you can report a working i386 installation on real hw, right?
[03:53] <astraljava> len-1204: I'll be attending a QA meeting tomorrow, it occurs before the new images are rolled, so I'll go with information on today's images.
[03:53] <len-1204> yes, I don't have an amd64 or eqiv.
[03:54] <len-1204> I think Scott was going to install tonight though.
[03:54] <astraljava> len-1204: Neither Scott nor me could install amd64, it still hangs, which is probably a known glitch caused by a problem in update-manager-core package.
[03:54] <len-1204> or did he say it failed already?
[03:54] <astraljava> Yea.
[03:54] <len-1204> 32 bit is ok.
[03:55] <astraljava> Good, that pretty much confirms Scott's assumptions.
[03:56] <len-1204> the other stuff is that I have been working on a workflow application launcher.
[03:57] <len-1204> looks like a panel, but instead of applications it has workflows.
[03:57] <astraljava> Nice.
[03:58] <len-1204> select the workflow and the workflows go away to be replaced by the apps for that workflow.
[03:58] <astraljava> Sounds interesting.
[03:59] <len-1204> It is actually really simple (less than 300 lines) in script. I will post some screen shots soon.
[04:00] <astraljava> Best inventions are the simplest. Well okay, may not apply to linux, but you get the point. :)
[04:01] <len-1204> The idea is that a workflow meta would install the workflow to go with the applications. Or workflows if the apps will support more than one.
[04:02] <len-1204> It looks at multiple config files, one for each workflow or more than one workflow per file works too.
[04:03] <len-1204> The apps can be just a desktop file or exec and icon and name or desc.
[04:05] <len-1204> It seems to work fine, but I am trying to make it more configurable.
[04:05] <astraljava> Right on. It'll be a good addition for user-friendliness.
[04:10] <len-1204> It is written in tcl/tk. The tool kit and libs have changed, but the scripting has stayed the same for a long time. I am using a book from 1997 and the stuff still works. No need to upgrade the software every time the lib changes
[04:11] <len-1204> I'm looking for low maintenance.
[04:14] <astraljava> Sure, it's a good pick for that then. :)
[04:35] <TheMuso> grrr seems Tim's tree that our low latency kernel is based on had a few patches applied that seem to always cause conflicts when rebasing, and there shouldn't really be any conflicts, so far as I understand.
[04:35]  * TheMuso starts with a fresh precise tree and re-adds necessary bits for low latency.
[04:35] <TheMuso> And see if that helps.
[04:50] <astraljava> TheMuso: Oh yea, I do recall seeing Alessio mentioning that same thing a while back.
[04:51] <TheMuso> Hrm ok I wish I was told sooner.
[04:52] <astraljava> He might have highlighted you, I'm not sure anymore.
[04:53] <TheMuso> Don't think he did, because I don't remember reading it.
[04:53] <TheMuso> no biggy though
[04:54] <astraljava> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntustudio-devel.log:5463:16:41 < abogani> TheMuso: I'm going to drop Tim's changes to -lowlatency because those prevent git rebase.
[04:55] <astraljava> March 13th.
[04:55] <astraljava> So a little over a week ago.
[05:03] <TheMuso> Oh right, that was what that was. That was not clear.
[05:03] <TheMuso> I.e I couldn't work out what he meant.
[05:04] <TheMuso> But whats interesting is that I'm having the same problem if I create a new low latency branch against precise-3.2.0-18.28
[05:04] <TheMuso> and then rebase, I still get conflicts...
[05:04] <astraljava> Weird.
[05:05] <TheMuso> Indeed.
[05:06] <astraljava> TheMuso: Well, I know you're very busy, so if you could document just very briefly on how you're creating new lowlatency branches against mainline kernels, I could try too to have an attempt of taking some of that load off your shoulders.
[05:06] <TheMuso> astraljava: Will do, once I have something that rebases properly, sure.
[05:07] <astraljava> Thanks! Imma try to catch some zzz's now. :)
[05:08] <TheMuso> Ok.
[05:29] <micahg> astraljava: I forgot, you need an FFe for the ubuntustudio-default-settings package since you're adding a new binary
[09:47] <jussi> astraljava: /msg chanserv access #ubuntustudio-devel  list
[10:01] <astraljava> jussi: Thanks! You could remove Joe from there, I don't think we'll see him anytime soon. :)
[10:01] <astraljava> jussi: Add Scott instead.
[10:02] <jussi> ScottL: is there...
[10:02] <astraljava> Sorry, meant the support channel.
[10:05] <astraljava> gah.
[10:07] <astraljava> oh bah
[10:07] <astraljava> Well, it's better than cut-off sentences/links.
[10:07] <astraljava> Let me know what you want to have on there, it's a tad short atm.
[10:12] <knome> ScottL, scrollers? huh...
[10:13] <knome> ScottL, i can't see them. were they in a 'real' installation?
[10:32] <astraljava> knome: I saw scrollers in a qemu installation.
[10:32] <astraljava> scrollbars...
[10:32] <knome> >__<
[10:32] <knome> damn...
[10:32] <knome> but that was before the "520-patch" ?
[10:32] <knome> clearly had to be
[10:32] <knome> uh oh
[10:32] <astraljava> Yeah for sure, I didn't tamper the settings at all.
[10:33] <knome> that's crap.
[10:33] <knome> in wonder what's wrong, since those don't show up in the test-slideshow-script
[10:37] <astraljava> The script might not be a 100% match for that environment.
[10:37] <knome> i wonder if they show up if you run the qemu installation and ran the test script there
[10:38] <knome> do they show up there too, or is it only in the installer
[10:48] <astraljava> I can check after "breakfast". :)
[10:57] <ailo> TheMuso: Are you creating a new source tree, or will you manually edit the conflicts?
[10:58] <ailo> And why is the tree based on Tim's tree (out of curiousity)?
[10:58] <ailo> Who is Tim? Which tree is Tim's tree?
[10:59] <astraljava> ailo: Tim is Tim Gardner, https://launchpad.net/~timg-tpi. A member of UKT.
[11:02] <ailo> astraljava: I C. I recognize the name from mail lists. Just wondering if Tim's tree is the main Ubuntu tree, or something else. I believe the conflicts exist trying to rebase against the main ubuntu source
[11:04] <astraljava> ailo: I'm fairly sure Tim's a key player in ubuntu kernel development now, so his additions are needed in order to having as close to vanilla kernel as possible.
[11:09] <TheMuso> ailo: Creating a fresh source tree.
[11:19] <ailo> TheMuso: Looking forward to some docs and like astraljava, I'll gladly help on that as well. 
[11:20] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:22]  * TheMuso runs a quick test-build and test install before upload.
[11:22] <TheMuso> Its late here tonight, so I am more concerned about getting this uploaded, but will document something in the next few days when I get a chance.
[11:29] <TheMuso> Oh and I have fixed up the configs. Seems that abogani didn't properly set up the lowlatency config settings so they were used. Anyway, taken care of.
[11:30] <astraljava> TheMuso: Thanks! Don't worry about the docs, I'll poke ya regularly about it. A huge thank you for your great work!
[11:30] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:30] <TheMuso> np
[12:58] <scott-work> jussi: could you moderate my and/or astraljava's permission for the #ubuntustudio channel so we can update the topic?
[13:00] <scott-work> i guess we shoudl start thinking about what we should work on for next cycle
[14:13] <astraljava> scott-work: I like the sound of that. :)
[14:13] <astraljava> But first... I'm off to sauna. :)
[14:14] <ttoine> astraljava, your life is hard ;-)
[14:14] <ailo> astraljava: I only have access to a Swedish sauna. Hot, but dry :(. So, I'm envious.
[14:15] <astraljava> Hehe. :)
[14:15] <astraljava> ttoine: It's the only luxury in my life at the moment, trust me.
[14:15] <astraljava> ailo: I hear ya. It's gotta be more moist, but not a turkish one either.
[14:16]  * astraljava hopes for good results from a phone call in 4 hours. That could bring more luxury in my life, but not very fast either.
[14:17] <ailo> The sauna I can use is a public one. It's very large and takes a long time to get moist. Too much work. Whenever I'm recording a Finnish dance band a bit outside of town, we always use the sauna there. Heated with wood. Now, that's a real sauna!
[14:17] <astraljava> Chances are extremely slim, though.
[14:18] <astraljava> Yeah, I'd prefer such, but it's not that good. Pretty nice for an electric, though.
[14:18] <astraljava> Ok, see ya in an hour or so.
[14:23] <ttoine> have a nice time
[14:23] <ttoine> and "s h i t" for your phone call. (in france we don't say good luck)
[14:34] <jussi> scott-work: I cant, sorry. you need to go and ask in #ubuntu-irc-council
[14:36] <ailo> ttoine: Sort of like "Break a leg" then :)
[14:37] <ttoine> ailo, ah ok. thanks. french is not so polite, I am confused
[14:39] <ailo> ttoine: I might prefer French in this case
[14:40] <ttoine> ;-)
[14:40] <ttoine> ailo, the phonecall of astraljava is so important ?
[14:42] <ailo> ttoine: Don't know. 
[14:44] <ttoine> ailo, a question more about what matters : some news of a lowlatency kernel ?
[14:45] <ailo> ttoine: There should be a new one available shortly. If I'm not quick enough to remind you, you should see it when you update. I would be happy to hear about your results also
[14:48] <ttoine> ailo, great !
[14:49] <scott-work> jussi: okay, thank you :)
[14:50] <astraljava> ttoine: Heheh... Well yeah, anything will do. It's such a fat chance.
[14:51] <astraljava> scott-work: We better get both channels dealt with at the same time. There are some outdated privileges on them both.
[14:51] <astraljava> ttoine: It could be important, don't get me wrong. It would totally turn my life around.
[14:52] <astraljava> But as so often, such occurences are extremely rare.
[14:52] <ttoine> astraljava, yes...
[15:12] <astraljava> ttoine: Which town were you living in, btw.?
[15:12] <astraljava> Not Toulouse, I hope.
[15:16] <ttoine> astraljava, ho, news are going far... I am living in Lyon, and I am not nor a soldier neither jewish...
[15:18] <astraljava> ttoine: Ok, good. Although I just heard from a friend in Toulouse that they've surrounded the suspect, so hopefully it'll go smoothly from here on out.
[15:20] <ttoine> yes. It was the biggest buzz of this day : news in realtime on the internet, information iv channels, etc... started 3am...
[15:21] <astraljava> I can imagine. It's not happening every day, anywhere in Europe, after all.
[15:24] <ttoine> yes. hopefully fire arms are not easily available in our countries
[15:25] <astraljava> We just have to stay strong and fight the lobbyists.
[15:25] <ttoine> and this guys made two mistakes : going in training centers of al qaida, and using rare guns and amunitions
[15:26] <ttoine> I agree with you... I am the first french generation without having to pass through conscription
[15:27] <ttoine> so i never wear a uniform, nor used any fire arms, except small calibers in clubs
[15:29] <ttoine> it is a very great chance
[15:33] <astraljava> In Finland, we still have mandatory service, so I've shot with guns, even big guns. But I don't like it. Even then, I do understand using them for defending, but not for attacking.
[15:34] <astraljava> But this is all way too off-topic for this channel. :)
[15:34] <ttoine> yes ;-)
[16:20] <astraljava> micahg: Oh yeah, about the FFe, I'm on it right after the QA meeting. Thanks for the heads-up!
[16:47] <micahg> astraljava: sorry for spacing on that
[16:54] <scott-work> if i still planned on doing the following, are there any procedural (or otherwise) objstacles?
[16:54] <scott-work> * adding more wallpapers to the -wallpapers package
[16:54] <scott-work> * adjusting the -default-settings package for new desktop image
[16:55] <scott-work> * adjusting the -lightdm package for new background image
[16:55] <scott-work> * adjusting the -default-settings for different panel layout
[16:55] <scott-work> * and adding sane, default settings for jack
[16:55] <scott-work>   
[16:57] <astraljava> micahg: Not at all, I should have realized it anyway.
[16:57] <astraljava> micahg: I'm working on it already.
[16:58] <astraljava> scott-work: Nothing ground-breaking, like this new package-adding that I'm working on. I see no problems, but then again I don't manage the releases. :)
[16:58] <scott-work> astraljava: is micahg typing to you?  i don't see him :P
[16:59] <astraljava> Hmm... yes, yes he is in the channel, at least according to weechat. :)
[16:59] <astraljava> scott-work: Does nick completion work in the webchat?
[17:00] <scott-work> i meant, you appear to be having a conversation with no one as i don't see any responses from him
[17:00] <scott-work> yes, nick completion with with webchat
[17:02] <astraljava> scott-work: Oh. Well yeah, he highlighted me about 15 minutes ago. :)
[17:04] <scott-work> ah, that makes more sense then :P
[17:06] <astraljava> Hehe, yeah. :)
[18:15] <scott-work> oh, i guess i never really asked my direct question about what i said before (obstacles to continued development)....
[18:15] <scott-work> will i need to file any FFe's for anything in the list
[18:15] <scott-work> ?
[18:15] <scott-work>   
[18:16] <scott-work> also, micahg, is there anything else that needs to be done at this point for security?  have we done enough for me to email the TB?  are there issues to follow up on later?
[18:20] <micahg> scott-work: I think that's it, the idea was to know how much effort will be necessary to support US specific packages over the life of the US LTS, if you're comfortable with the amount of work, then you can include that information in response to the TB
[18:20] <micahg> well, include the info anyway, I meant if you're comfortable, you can continue with your petition :)
[18:21] <micahg> there's bug fix work also in addition to the devel release work
[18:25] <scott-work> micahg: i think that development should be reduced in the next few cycles, simply because we made such large fundamental progress this cycle
[18:25] <micahg> scott-work: development includes merges/syncs (after DIF that are wanted) and bug fixes
[18:26] <scott-work> good point
[18:26] <micahg> s#/#,#
[18:26] <micahg> I've been watching the merges/sync, but would prefer someone else to keep an eye on those for Q
[18:27] <micahg> we can discuss that at UDS
[18:28] <scott-work> micahg: that would be awesome (both to me more involved in it and to talk about it), i do remember you broached the subject at last UDS
[20:06] <astraljava> micahg: bug #961371, tried to follow the FFe procedure as to the point as applicable.
[20:06] <micahg> astraljava: yep, now we just have to wait I guess
[20:09] <len_> knome ping
[20:14] <knome> len_, pong
[20:15] <len_> knome re scroll bars on ubiquity slide show.
[20:15] <knome> yes?
[20:16] <len_> I remember they didn't used to be there but then the progrss bar was like the test.
[20:16] <knome> len_, they appear on hardware?
[20:16] <knome> len_, or, are you running on qemu
[20:16] <len_> When they added the text stuff, the scroll bars appeared
[20:16] <knome> "text stuff" ?
[20:17] <len_> Yeah the text that says things like transfering files or configuring target system
[20:17] <knome> again, is this appearing on hardware
[20:17] <len_> This is also true of the stock ubuntu slide show.
[20:17] <len_> yes, I do all my testing on hardware.
[20:18] <knome> oh my... though, it's good to know it happens on the ubuntu slide show too.
[20:18] <knome> if there isn't a bug, could you file one?
[20:18] <len_> Yes, I am downloading the sync for todays iso, I will file after I test.
[20:18] <knome> thanks
[20:19] <knome> please paste me the bug # after you've filed, and i'll forward it
[20:19] <len_> Ok
[20:20] <astraljava> micahg: Right. Couldn't you get into the release team, so we could work these out quicker? *smirk*
[20:20] <micahg> heh, I think I have enough hats ATM :)
[20:21] <len_> I haven't looked at unity for a while, maybe I'll DL that too. Might get faster response that way for a bug that effects that.
[20:21] <astraljava> I'm not sure, so far you seem to perform all of your roles perfectly. Perhaps there is some un-used potential, still? ;D
[20:23] <knome> hurr durrr
[20:23]  * knome filed YET another UIFe
[20:25] <micahg> astraljava: haha, glad you think so :)
[20:26] <astraljava> micahg: Well, any sane person would. Oh wait, then I don't fit in that category. Well anyhoo, I do. :)
[20:29] <ttoine> knome, iyho, what should be the best way to install xfce on ubuntu precise beta. the xubuntu-desktop metapackage ? or just xfce4 package ?
[20:30] <knome> ttoine, i'd suggest installing the xubuntu-desktop, but of course you'd get extra apps
[20:30] <ttoine> that's the matter, yes
[20:31] <micahg> ttoine: use --no-install-recommends (but this is the wrong channel for xfce anyways)
[20:31] <ttoine> that's not a big problem in unity, because there is no true menu. but maybe in xfce, it should be a bit overloaded by the apps
[20:32] <ttoine> micahg, this is not the bad channel : I would like to test xfce, in order to complete the ubuntustudiopreparation wiki page
[20:33] <ttoine> micahg, so you suggest apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop ?
[20:33] <micahg> ttoine: yes, you'll end with with a base Xfce desktop with the xubuntu branding
[20:33] <ttoine> great, thanks a lot for that tip !*
[20:40] <astraljava> I still hate that decision, a bit, but then occasionally I want to install all suggested packages, too, so I do acknowledge it's dancing on a thin wire. :)
[20:42] <ttoine> astraljava, about changing for xfce ?
[20:43] <ttoine> micahg, hop, it's documented
[20:43] <astraljava> ttoine: No, about apt-get.
[20:43] <micahg> well, the definition of recommends are packages that would be installed usually with this package, so it makes sense
[20:44] <micahg> you can configure apt not to install recommends if you like
[20:44] <astraljava> micahg: Sure. It's just that sometimes you don't actually need them all. But I do get the point.
[20:44] <micahg> right, they are removable
[20:45] <astraljava> micahg: What actually bothers me is that sometimes I stumble upon suggests that just aren't there anymore.
[20:45] <astraljava> So cannot really set that as a persistent option.
[20:45] <micahg> astraljava: file bugs when that happens :)
[20:45] <astraljava> I have.
[20:46] <astraljava> Jelmer fixed some bzr-related package just recently that I reported. But not all maintainers care that much.
[20:47] <astraljava> Right, I suppose it's bug-hunting time, all TODOs have been acted upon.
[20:49] <ttoine> as always, anyone has some news about the lowlatency kernel ?
[20:51] <ailo> ttoine: No idea, but perhaps not today, and it may take a few even.
[20:51] <ttoine> ok. I restart to test the xubuntu desktop, so
[20:53] <astraljava> ttoine: Luke fixed the config issue, and created a new package ver. 3.2.0-19.27, but it hasn't creeped it's way into the archives just yet.
[20:53] <astraljava> You can find it the source package @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/3.2.0-19.27
[20:54] <astraljava> -it
[20:55] <astraljava> ...or is it crept? Yeah I think it is.
[20:58] <astraljava> rexbron_: Do you actually use the nightly builds for ffmpeg?
[20:58] <rexbron_> astraljava: I use git master right now
[20:59] <rexbron_> are you refering to zombie packages?
[20:59] <astraljava> rexbron_: So we can disable the request now?
[20:59] <rexbron_> astraljava: Link? I can't say I recall what your refering to
[20:59] <astraljava> I'm seeing those double emails every day on the list, so it seems it's not really usable.
[21:00] <astraljava> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-nightly/+archive/ubuntustudio-nightly/+recipebuild/200616
[21:01] <astraljava> rexbron_: That's what I was afraid of, and why I brought it up. It's probably safe to delete it, since even you don't remember it anymore. :)
[21:01] <astraljava> You, after all, are the requester.
[21:01] <rexbron_> astraljava: by all means
[21:02] <astraljava> rexbron_: Thanks!
[21:10] <ttoine> hop... in xubuntu desktop
[21:12] <ttoine> TheMuso, I see you
[22:03] <ScottL> TheMuso,  what do you think about making a blueprint for determining and documenting the "proper" maintenance for the lowlatency kernel?
[22:03] <ScottL> TheMuso, this would be from why it's kept in the git repos, to rebasing, and to releasing
[22:03] <TheMuso> ScottL: WHy do you think it needs a blueprint? It just needs some good docs.
[22:04] <ScottL> TheMuso, i didn't know if it needs input from Tim or UKT and with the UDS coming i thought it would be a good venue to "encourage" their participation
[22:04] <TheMuso> ScottL: No, I don't think it needs their input.
[22:05] <ScottL> TheMuso, ack