[00:00] <mr_pouit> sorry, I'm too tired to be useful, so i'll read the backlog
[00:00] <mr_pouit> good night!
[00:01] <ochosi> sure, good night mr_pouit !
[00:02] <knome> night mr_pouit :)
[00:04] <ochosi> hmm, resizing partitions. always fun.
[00:04] <ochosi> imo we should hide ff's menubar by default
[00:04] <ochosi> it's so much prettier without it
[00:05] <knome> bleh, that's another UIFe
[00:05] <ochosi> for p+1 then
[00:06] <ochosi> xfce4-notifyd should be disabled in maybe-ubiquity
[00:06] <ochosi> it shows stuff like wireless-networks available, but you can't interact with it
[00:07] <astraljava> I can't believe T-bird is still suffering from the same problem it has had for the past decade, at least.
[00:07] <ochosi> ?
[00:08] <astraljava> Messages with umlauts in subject aren't displayed correctly in the thread pane, if no content-type is specified in the headers.
[00:08] <ochosi> pff
[00:09] <ochosi> knome: ubiquity looks ok to me
[00:09] <ochosi> i mean size-wise
[00:10] <knome> ochosi, on a netbook?
[00:10] <knome> :P
[00:10] <ochosi> hm, maybe not
[00:10] <ochosi> btw, the wallpaper is also old on that shot
[00:10] <knome> apparently 470 just isn't enough...
[00:11] <knome> ochosi, want to come up with an updated shot there?
[00:11] <knome> :|
[00:11] <ochosi> hmm
[00:11] <ochosi> if i don't have anything better to do...
[00:11] <knome> if we decide to try to fit netbooks
[00:11] <ochosi> i dunno, i don't own a netbook ;)
[00:11] <ochosi> tbh the slideshow isn't huge as it is
[00:12] <knome> i know
[00:12] <astraljava> Maybe it's time for a netbook edition. :)
[00:12] <knome> i'm investigating this mostly for US
[00:12] <knome> but seeing what our chances are, too
[00:12] <ochosi> astraljava: huhu
[00:12] <ochosi> restarting, hopefully brb
[00:13] <knome> i'm wondering what our chances are keeping up the accessibility with nobody with expertise on that
[00:14] <knome> accessibility as in accessibility for the disabled
[00:14] <knome> general accessibility should be okay, at least
[00:15] <ochosi> back
[00:15] <astraljava> knome: I have no idea. I only know of one dev who concentrates on that stuff, and he's way busy.
[00:16] <knome> yeah.
[00:21] <knome> re: a11y: there's also this thing now, should we even think about the app sets, or just keep on installing the few a11y tools by default
[00:21] <knome> and tell people who want ubuntu+plain xfce to use minimal as before
[00:22] <knome> a11y set made it worthwhile, but the xfce-only alone... well, i don't know
[00:24] <ochosi> knome: cool, the power-icon stuff worked
[00:25] <ochosi> including notifications
[00:25] <knome> great!
[00:25] <ochosi> yah, the power-icon never looked that crisp ;)
[00:25] <ochosi> k, gotta quickly reboot to test that audio-stuff
[00:26] <nonau> audio stuff?  Anything about the mute button?
[00:26] <ochosi> nonau: that's what i'm testing
[00:27] <nonau> ochosi:  If possible, can I give it a test too?
[00:27] <knome> ochosi, 520 height -> http://imagebin.org/204442 -> \o/
[00:27] <leo-unglaub> wah
[00:28] <ochosi> nonau: sure, try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485/comments/3
[00:28] <ochosi> nonau: if that works for you giving you unmute again, start testing whether xfce4-mixer still works
[00:28] <ochosi> (and whether it displays notifications)
[00:29] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: what's up? :)
[00:29] <ochosi> knome: yeah, looks good. but really the header is eating a lot of space considering it's such a small window now
[00:30] <ochosi> maybe screenshots should somehow overlap it...
[00:30] <leo-unglaub> i am just loosing it here
[00:30] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: with your project?
[00:30] <leo-unglaub> i don't get why people don't support there projects
[00:30] <leo-unglaub> just needet "giver"
[00:30] <leo-unglaub> to copy some files
[00:30] <knome> ochosi, i made the header smaller on xubuntu slideshow
[00:30] <leo-unglaub> broken in current version
[00:30] <knome> ochosi, on the US slideshow, there was no need
[00:31] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: that sucks. haven't tried giver in ages though
[00:31] <leo-unglaub> i mean, i have nearly 40 projects on github and even i don't need one of them i try to still supprt them
[00:31] <leo-unglaub> and my company project...dude...not in a month ..
[00:32] <ochosi> meh, that doesn't sound good
[00:33] <ochosi> brb
[00:37] <nonau> ochosi: I manually changed that setting in the Settings Editor (to the value in the comment).  The keys work, I have notifications, and all seems to work. :)
[00:38] <ochosi> nonau: are you on precise?
[00:39] <nonau> ochosi:  Yes.  I copied the string from "sound-card" to "active-card".
[00:40] <ochosi> mr_pouit: there are some serious issues with xfconf in precise. first off: values can be changed, but the changes aren't saved. doesn't matter whether via cli or gui. also: after launching xfce-session xubuntu-session is kinda borked. many of the session-settings are gone (xfwm4-theme, font-rendering etc.)
[00:40] <ochosi> nonau: lucky for you, didn't work for me. the values don't get saved
[00:41] <leo-unglaub> is the 12.04 bug with the not disapering notify-bouble reported?
[00:41] <ochosi> also: here the string in sound-card and active-card are the same (HDAIntelAlsamixer)
[00:41] <ochosi> nonau: ^
[00:42] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: i think that was even reported for oneiric, but never fixed afaik
[00:43] <nonau> ochosi: I'll see if it still saves for me after restart.  For me, HDAIntelAlsamixer was active card and the other was PlaybackBultinAudio...
[00:46] <nonau> ochosi: Setting saved on restart.  The problem is fixed for myself.
[00:46] <ochosi> nonau: could you please open xfce4-mixer
[00:46] <ochosi> then check whether volume-changes are still reflected there when pressing the multimedia-buttons
[00:47] <ochosi> if that works, also check whether moving the slider in xfce4-mixer makes the notification-bubble appear
[00:47] <nonau> ochosi: Done, it updated the volume slider in sync with the volume keys.
[00:48] <ochosi> ("moving the slider", as in: clicking and dragging it with the mouse)
[00:48] <nonau> notification does appear for both the buttons and dragging the slider
[00:48] <ochosi> cool
[00:49] <ochosi> wondering why you have different settings for sound-card though
[00:49] <ochosi> would you mind pasting the value that worked for you?
[00:50] <nonau> PlaybackBuiltinAudioAnalogStereoPulseAudioMixer for both /active-card and /sound-card
[00:50] <ochosi> in fact: if you could add what you did to make everything work here, that'd be great: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485
[00:51] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: http://img641.imageshack.us/i/auswahl007.jpg/ <- thats not even close, but the result in the new glade version *g*
[00:51] <ochosi> :)
[00:52] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: well, if you can get the fill-setting right then this could still be a good step forward
[00:52] <leo-unglaub> no, because the playtime ist gone *g*
[00:52] <ochosi> hihi, true
[00:52] <ochosi> i overlooked that
[00:53] <leo-unglaub> i hate glade...thats one of the reasions my company switch to mono...the monodevelop gui designer ist beautiful
[00:53] <ochosi> nonau: ok, can reproduce that now. problem with setting sound-card to builtin blah is that you can't control input anymore
[00:53] <ochosi> nonau: (in xfce4-mixer)
[00:53] <knome> ochosi, would you like to test the new slideshow?
[00:54] <knome> ochosi, bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-netbook 
[00:54] <ochosi> knome: not sure, i'm already pretty tired, and i already tested such a lot today..
[00:54] <knome> ochosi, this one is easy though, just a pull and run a script :)
[00:55] <knome> tbh, it is pretty much done now, though i'd like you to see it before i start begging for an UIFe ;)
[00:56] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: is this tool bar still needet? http://img841.imageshack.us/i/auswahl007.jpg/
[00:57] <knome> that looks useful :)
[00:58] <leo-unglaub> but is this in the current version enabled?
[00:58]  * knome has no idea, but it looks useful ;)
[00:58] <ochosi> this toolbar is only shown when playing a dvd
[00:58] <ochosi> so removing that would disable dvd-navigation
[00:59] <ochosi> (it's pretty hacky if you ask me, but anyway...)
[00:59] <knome> it sucks to navigate dvd's is 'menu' is more than one click away though... :)
[01:00] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: are you sure it's used?
[01:00] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: yes
[01:00] <leo-unglaub> because i don't see the events in zthe source code
[01:00] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: it's really conditionally shown when a dvd is inserted
[01:02] <ochosi> knome: branching that takes ages :(
[01:02] <ochosi> knome: what scripts do i have to run now?
[01:02] <knome> ochosi, don't you think i now? i've branched that at least 4 times today :D
[01:02] <knome> ochosi, test-slideshow.sh, select xubuntu
[01:02] <ochosi> s/now/know
[01:02] <ochosi> ;)
[01:02] <knome> ochosi, that's it.
[01:02] <knome> heh, right ;)
[01:03]  * knome is pretty much ready to bed
[01:03] <ochosi> so what do you wanna see?
[01:03] <knome> just want ACK/AARGH from you
[01:03] <ochosi> :)
[01:03] <knome> ochosi, i want *you* to see the new, 520px tall slideshow :)
[01:03] <ochosi> looks pretty similar to as always
[01:03] <knome> yeah, but it's more condensed
[01:03] <knome> check all the slides
[01:03] <knome> shouldn't be surprises but...
[01:04] <knome> if that works for you, i'll file an UIFe tomorrow...
[01:04] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03212012-020416am.php
[01:04] <knome> (or just ask around if i could upload that without UIFe, since nothing really changed)
[01:04] <knome> yup.
[01:04] <ochosi> please enjoy my borked fonts after starting xfce-session
[01:04] <knome> hahah
[01:04] <ochosi> that _really_ should be fixed
[01:04] <knome> that's how the shot is cut
[01:04] <knome> the fonts?
[01:05] <ochosi> or maybe my eyes are tired
[01:05] <knome> or them breaking after running xfce?
[01:05] <knome> no, they suck
[01:05] <ochosi> more things broke
[01:05] <knome> astraljava!!
[01:05] <knome> astraljava, you asked for critical bugs?
[01:05] <ochosi> xfwm4-compositing setting was gone
[01:05] <ochosi> xfwm4-theme was gone
[01:05] <ochosi> font-rendering settings
[01:05] <ochosi> font-settings (sans instead of droid sans)
[01:05] <knome> ochosi, if you aren't too tired, please file a bug
[01:05] <ochosi> i am
[01:06] <ochosi> i pinged lionel, hopefully he'll reply tomorrow
[01:06] <knome> okay, then let's gather that tomorrow from the logs
[01:06] <nonau> Anything else I should test, pulseaudio related or otherwise?
[01:06] <ochosi> also: the shade button is part of xfwm4 now
[01:07] <ochosi> nonau: could you please log out, log into xfce4-session and then back into xubuntu session and see whether anything changed?
[01:07] <knome> evil.
[01:07] <nonau> ochosi:  Can do.
[01:07] <ochosi> (for me that broke/changed a lot of things, a quick confirmation would be good)
[01:07] <knome> ...and a bug report
[01:07] <ochosi> knome: well, we wanna know, don't we?
[01:07] <knome> :P
[01:07] <ochosi> huhu, you're evil!
[01:08] <knome> well if other people have more energy...
[01:08] <knome> or better timezone ;)
[01:08] <ochosi> knome: look at this: should i make the recorded channels red and the unselected captures like the currently selected one?
[01:08] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03212012-020852am.php
[01:09] <knome> i have NO idea what you are talking about
[01:09] <ochosi> better now?
[01:09] <knome> hmm. recorded channel *names* ?
[01:09] <ochosi> no, the microphone icon
[01:09] <ochosi> (sorry, was a bit unspecific at first)
[01:09] <knome> ochosi, instead of what?
[01:10] <knome> ochosi, looking like the button is pressed down?
[01:10] <ochosi> knome: make "Capture 1" and "2" look like "Capture", make "Capture" red instead
[01:10] <knome> hmmph.
[01:10] <ochosi> knome: maybe that's clearer visually to see which chan is recorded from
[01:10] <astraljava> knome: Yes I did.
[01:10] <knome> i'd prefer a red record-icon
[01:10] <knome> astraljava, well, you have one now. :)
[01:10] <nonau> ochosi: Logged into xfe-session and back into xubuntu.  I now have two additional workspaces, the bottom panel is no longer transparent, and no other noticeable changes.
[01:11] <ochosi> nonau: different window borders?
[01:11] <knome> ochosi, but the current unpressed/pressed states are fine, imo
[01:11] <nonau> ochosi:  Roll up button was added.
[01:11] <ochosi> knome: pressed == recording. unpressed is just nothing
[01:11] <knome> ochosi, exactly.
[01:11] <ochosi> nonau: but the theme was kept? or are the borders blue now?
[01:12] <knome> ochosi, can you change the pressed button icon to red record-icon ?
[01:12] <ochosi> knome: so you'd keep it as is or make pressed==red?
[01:12] <knome> ochosi, as is, but add the icon change when pressed
[01:12] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'd simply re-color it
[01:12] <knome> i'd use the red dot
[01:12] <nonau> ochosi:  Theme was kept.
[01:13] <ochosi> nonau: ok, what about font-settings? (settings-manager>appearance>fonts)
[01:13] <astraljava> knome: Err... where?
[01:13] <knome> astraljava, log in to xfce session, then back to xubuntu session. some settings are lost.
[01:13] <knome> astraljava, some attention to the discussion on the channel, please ;)
[01:13] <ochosi> knome: nah, either use a mic or a red dot. i don't like icon-changes on click, that feels whacky
[01:14] <astraljava> knome: Ok, let me try.
[01:14] <knome> ochosi, could it be light-gray dot on non-pressed state?
[01:14] <astraljava> knome: Hah.
[01:14] <nonau> ochosi:  It changed to Sans, 10 point, no anti-aliasing.
[01:14] <knome> astraljava, especially the discussion between ochosi and nonau  :)=
[01:14] <ochosi> knome: i'll think about it tomorrow. i generally like the mic-icon...
[01:14] <ochosi> nonau: ok, same here :(
[01:14] <knome> ochosi, mmh. in this case, i don't know if the icon change would be too wacky.
[01:15] <knome> ochosi, it's intended to be a big difference so you can notice that.
[01:15] <ochosi> knome: i'll think about it when i'm not as tired as i am now
[01:15] <knome> yeah, i might be not thiking the clearest either
[01:15] <ochosi> :)
[01:15] <knome> +n
[01:15] <knome> ...
[01:15] <ochosi> ok, i really really gotta go to sleep now
[01:15] <knome> not typing either
[01:15] <ochosi> i can't get anything done anymore anyway now
[01:15] <ochosi> see y'all tomorrow or soonish
[01:15] <knome> same here
[01:15] <nonau> Heading out for now as well.
[01:15] <knome> see you
[01:16] <ochosi> thanks for testing, nonau
[01:16] <knome> and night/day everybody! :)
[01:16] <knome> yup, thanks nonau! :)
[01:16] <knome> ->
[01:16] <nonau> No problem.
[01:16] <astraljava> grr... no menu item for qemu-kvm.
[01:16] <ochosi> night everyone!
[01:55] <astraljava> knome: ochosi: Yeah, I see how it changes. I will look into this tomorrow, I may have to sleep too, it seems. :)
[03:05] <ScottL> the new xubuntu logo looks very, very nice
[03:09] <nonau> Indeed it does.
[03:17] <nonau> One thing I've noticed is that networking notifications don't seem to follow the settings in Settings Manager > Notifications.
[10:14] <knome> ScottL, thanks for the praise. it's not unanimous... :)
[10:33] <astraljava> No, it's not... *smirk*
[10:34] <knome> astraljava, so, what do *you* like of the logo?
[10:34] <knome> in a way it's a big thing to change, otoh, a user doesn't see it too often anyway
[10:36] <knome> madnick, you on?
[10:36] <astraljava> Yeah well, I like what has been attempted to achieve with the change. It's a big change, like you said, so I'm not sure I've gotten accustomed to it just yet. :)
[10:36] <knome> mm-hmm
[10:37] <knome> i really think it hits the nails head on small sizes
[10:37] <astraljava> Probably will, I've only seen it bigger so far.
[10:38] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/oldexports/logo_comparison_appmenu.png
[10:43] <astraljava> Yeah, there it looks much cleaner.
[10:46] <knome> :|
[10:46] <knome> oh, the logo
[10:46] <knome> are you near your qemu installation?
[10:47] <astraljava> Yes I am.
[10:49] <knome> could you check what i proposed? branch the slideshow, and try running the test-slideshow-script
[10:49] <knome> and see if it has the scrollbars too
[10:49] <astraljava> I can, after "breakfast". :)
[10:50] <knome> heh
[11:05] <astraljava> gah, LP is acting up.
[11:06] <astraljava> ...or then it's the virt networking.
[11:06] <astraljava> Come to think of it, LP has been much more stable than, say, a few years back.
[11:06] <knome> sure
[11:08] <astraljava> knome: Wouldn't it have been k3wl if the mouse had an eye in the logo? :D Probably too small a detail, but just thought of it right now.
[11:09] <knome> yeah, it's too small
[11:09] <knome> we already lost that feature for the 10.04 logo, it was in before
[11:09] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, no scrollbars there.
[11:09] <knome> :||
[11:09] <knome> damn, that's nasty
[11:10] <astraljava> It is. I'll testdrive the studio amd64 image again, so I'll get you a screen shot of it.
[11:10] <knome> mmh
[11:10] <knome> can you remember seeing that with vbox?
[11:11] <astraljava> No, I haven't tested on vbox, but I can if you want.
[11:11] <knome> the slideshow is in webkit, so if qemu messes that up... then it's just qemu and we can pretty much forget that
[11:11] <knome> if you could, would be awesome
[11:11] <astraljava> Sure, I have it installed already.
[11:12] <knome> meh, i mean at installation time.. :)
[11:12] <knome> if qemu doesn't show the scrollbars in test-slideshow, why should vbox?
[11:13] <knome> that's not even the place we'd care about them, because it's just test
[11:14] <astraljava> I mean, I have vbox installed, so no big deal. :)
[11:14] <astraljava> Yeah, beats me.
[11:14] <knome> hehe, right
[11:14] <knome> :)=
[11:15] <knome> yup, it's weird, and scary too...
[11:15] <astraljava> I kinda dislike the whole virt, still, but it's much quicker.
[11:15] <knome> but let's hope it is qemu messing things up
[11:23] <astraljava> Ehh... this is seriously weird. In vbox, it mentions the machine being powered on at the initial checks, which it didn't in qemu.
[11:23] <knome> hmm :)
[11:25] <astraljava> knome: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_vbox_slideshow.png vs. http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_qemu_slideshow.png, it looks like qemu has some serious issues. Look at the bottom of that screen shot.
[11:26] <astraljava> ...or it could be an architectural thing, I am not an expert on virt anyhoo.
[11:41] <knome> astraljava, yeah, huh :)
[11:41] <knome> phew
[11:43] <knome> in that case i think we can merge the branc
[11:43] <knome> h
[11:44] <astraljava> Yeah, go right ahead.
[11:45] <Kk2> hello guys, good morning :D
[11:46] <astraljava> o/
[12:06] <astraljava> knome: 3-cushion billiard on Eurosport2
[13:08] <knome> astraljava, too bad the eurosport channels still don't work here
[13:18] <knome> i'm off. see you later in the evening
[16:08] <bogner17> Hello everyone
[16:09] <ochosi> hey
[16:10] <leo-unglaub> is the xubuntu screensaver a part of the xfce project?
[16:10] <leo-unglaub> because i thing i found a security bug
[16:12] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: that's xscreensaver, i think one of the (supposedly) safest lockers around
[16:12] <ochosi> (not part of xfce)
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> hmmm
[16:12] <leo-unglaub> i was able to pick up an incoming skype call while the screen was locked
[16:13] <ochosi> wow
[16:13] <ochosi> that's disturbing
[16:13] <knome> ochosi, ping
[16:13] <ochosi> knome: pong
[16:14] <knome> so, regarding to the discussion earlier while trying to triage the audio mute bug
[16:14] <ochosi> yup
[16:14] <ochosi> well, there are two ways of dealing with the current unmute-bug
[16:14] <ochosi> 1) fix it via setting an xfconf-value (in the property /active-card) via xubuntu-default-settings
[16:15] <ochosi> 2) fix it by patching xfce4-volumed directly to prefer pulseaudio
[16:15] <knome> is 1) problem-free?
[16:15] <ochosi> well, the thing is that people have reported differing values for pulseaudio
[16:15] <ochosi> you can see that in the bugreport
[16:15] <ochosi> that's the main issue
[16:16] <knome> aaand the bug # is?
[16:16] <ochosi> variant 2) seems more flexible
[16:16] <knome> :)
[16:16] <ochosi> #883485
[16:16] <ochosi> meh
[16:16] <ochosi> bug #883485
[16:16] <knome> variant 2) needs pavucontrol instead of xfce4-mixer
[16:16] <knome> right?
[16:16] <ochosi> not necessarily
[16:16] <ochosi> but it would make sense
[16:16] <ochosi> as it's more a shift towards using pulseaudio more
[16:17] <ochosi> and that can't be handled by xfce4-mixer
[16:17] <ochosi> xfce4-mixer uses gstreamer, and gstreamer has terrible pulseaudio bindings
[16:17] <knome> i've personally used pavucontrol for a while already...
[16:17] <ochosi> therefore it doesnt support pulseaudio
[16:17] <ochosi> so people can't take advantage of it
[16:17] <knome> what about panel applets?
[16:17] <bogner17> I really wish I knew and understood everything you guys are talking about :(
[16:17] <ochosi> well, we don't use the xfce4-mixer in the panel anyway
[16:17] <knome> bogner17, feel free to ask :)
[16:17] <ochosi> for at least two releases we've been using indicator-sound
[16:18] <knome> ochosi, but can we get something for pavucontrol in?
[16:18] <ochosi> knome: into indicator-sound?
[16:18] <knome> ochosi, hmm, that's the applet with music player play controls?
[16:18] <ochosi> yup
[16:18] <knome> huho
[16:18] <bogner17> knome how do you do that like red private message thinging?
[16:18] <knome> wasn't there a bug with that? scrolling not working
[16:18] <knome> bogner17, just type somebody's nick, and they most probably will get a highlight
[16:18] <ochosi> knome: not sure what you mean with "scrolling"
[16:19] <knome> ochosi, scroll mouse whell on top of applet
[16:19] <bogner17> knome did you get highlighted?
[16:19] <knome> shouldn't that control audio volume?
[16:19] <knome> bogner17, yup :)
[16:19] <ochosi> knome: oh, that has been fixed
[16:19] <bogner17> knome awesome :)
[16:19] <ochosi> (in oneiric already)
[16:19] <knome> ah
[16:19] <knome> nice
[16:19] <ochosi> so no backdraws there
[16:19] <knome> so indicator-sound works with pavucontrol too?
[16:19] <ochosi> yup
[16:19] <knome> ok
[16:19] <ochosi> the "sound settings" button has to receive a patch
[16:19] <knome> aham?
[16:19] <ochosi> so that pavucontrol opens instead of xfce4-mixer
[16:20] <knome> right
[16:20] <ochosi> but it's trivial
[16:20] <knome> but that's trivial?
[16:20] <knome> good.
[16:20] <ochosi> mr_pouit has already provided a patch
[16:20] <knome> i wonder if this should go under FFe
[16:20] <ochosi> i've also tested his patch against volumed to prefer pulseaudio
[16:20] <ochosi> works well
[16:20] <knome> i'm all for dropping xfce4-mixer
[16:20] <ochosi> yeah, me too
[16:20] <ochosi> having two mixers is odd and confusing
[16:20] <knome> yes
[16:20] <ochosi> and xfce4-mixer is getting deprecated (unless we decide to drop pulseaudio)
[16:21] <knome> well, you can have even four mixers if you want, but.. :)
[16:21] <ochosi> another cool thing would be to get pavucontrol into the settings-manager
[16:21] <knome> looking at ubuntu going to PA, i don't think we're going to swim upstream (pun intended) with no PA
[16:21] <ochosi> that would only mean modifying its .desktop file a bit
[16:21] <knome> hmm
[16:21] <ochosi> yeah, i think we don't have too much choice than to embrace PA
[16:21] <knome> can we get a patch for that, and some publicity for it too
[16:21] <ochosi> after all, it's supposed to be the sound-server of the future ;)
[16:21] <knome> and then testing too...
[16:22] <knome> well, we don't have to embrace it, using it is enough ;]
[16:22] <knome> but tbh, it's worked fine for me
[16:27] <knome> hmm, so
[16:27] <knome> is there a bug for any of this?
[16:28] <knome> if you could file one with a quick list of the needed changes, and maybe a quick rationale, that would be good
[16:28] <ochosi> sry, brb
[16:29] <knome> heh, np :)
[16:30] <knome> new slideshow is now uploaded along with appropriate changelog
[16:30] <knome> ScottL, ^ ubuntu studio too
[16:37] <ochosi> ok, back
[16:37] <knome> so, if we'd have a bug, that would be good
[16:37] <ochosi> not sure against what i should report the bug "replace xfce4-mixer by pavucontrol"
[16:38] <knome> xubuntu-default-settings ?
[16:38] <ochosi> hm, not sure, does that package carry our default apps?
[16:38] <knome> well, ask mr_pouit which package defines our seed
[16:39] <ochosi> yup, i'll wait for him
[16:39] <knome> and what about fixing xfce4-volumed to use pavucontrol?
[16:39] <ochosi> anyway, might be that i can't do that today, i won't be online anymore after ~1hr from now
[16:39] <knome> err, pulseaudio
[16:39] <knome> which package is that
[16:39] <knome> if that is xubuntu-default-settings, i think you could file that as the bug itself, and just add that we also want to change the seed
[16:40] <knome> and we can just mark the other package to be concerned later
[16:40] <ochosi> that's xfce4-volumed
[16:40] <ochosi> and for the indicator it's the package indicator-sound-gtk2
[16:40] <knome> huho
[16:40] <knome> :)
[16:41] <knome> anyway, if you can sort this out with mr_pouit, i'm happy to go through the FFe stuff
[16:41] <ochosi> yeah, i'll ask him who will file the bugreports
[16:41] <ochosi> since the patches are ready (and tested), it shouldn't be a big deal
[16:41] <knome> mm-hmm
[16:42] <knome> ho!
[16:43] <knome> there's now "work items" -subheader at LP blueprints :)
[16:47] <knome> madnick, can you follow-up on the plymouth text issue with me and mr_pouit as soon as possible - we need to have the stuff ready to be uploaded so we can file a UIFe bug
[16:50] <knome> bbl
[16:56] <madnick> At the moment I cannot do much about it, I uploaded my changes, but you wanted a diff, the problem is atm I only have access to Windows 7, and that won't change until I get back. I do not really know what to do :(
[16:57] <ochosi> madnick: when do you get back?
[16:57] <madnick> 25th
[16:57] <ochosi> hmm
[16:57] <ochosi> well, you can always ask someone else to do a diff for you
[16:57] <ochosi> better than waiting with hands folded
[16:57] <madnick> Yes
[16:58] <madnick> Well, the code is on my server
[16:58] <madnick> Im not sure who to ask to do the diff :P
[16:58] <madnick> knome?
[16:59] <ochosi> best to ask someone with a few technical skills, e.g. either mr_pouit or micahg 
[16:59] <ochosi> or even someone outside of xubuntu-dev, if you know anyone
[16:59] <madnick> tbh, the solution was to span the text out on 1 single line
[17:00] <madnick> Thus I think about 3-4 lines of code was changed
[17:01] <ochosi> it might be good to discuss that with whoever will package it
[17:01] <ochosi> (my guess would be mr_pouit, but i might be wrong)
[17:14] <ochosi> k, i'm off for today
[17:15] <knome> madnick, can you point me to the code then, an i'll do the diff myself
[17:15] <madnick> knome: okay
[17:16] <madnick> http://79.99.1.99/~madnick/xubuntu-logo.script
[17:16] <knome> thanls
[17:17] <knome> s/l/k/
[17:19] <madnick> Frankly, I am very sorry for my very disappointing degree of involvement this cycle, but I really had no idea about how my situation would turn out.
[17:21] <knome> it's okay
[17:21] <knome> in the future though i think we all would benefit from public development branches
[17:25] <Kk2> in future i will help you guys :D hahah
[17:25] <madnick> :)
[17:25] <knome> Kk2, hey
[17:25] <knome> really, any little bit of help is appreciated
[17:25] <Kk2> i will man :D
[17:25] <Kk2> anyting i could help
[17:26] <knome> we will start planning the Q cycle relatively soon, so hang out and you will be able to be the assignee for things
[17:27] <Kk2> no problem :D i will be always here in irc :P just let me know when
[17:28] <knome> madnick, i've talked to astraljava, and he's willing to help with the release meetings, or even take the whole task. i'll talk to skaet about that too. maybe you can cooperate on things together? :)
[17:32] <madnick> sure
[17:33] <knome> thanks
[17:33] <madnick> It would be great, because lately its been impossible to attend :P
[17:33] <knome> yeah, i've noticed; no problem though, just want to make sure everything works :)
[17:47] <astraljava> madnick: Ok, cool! Glad to be cooperating with ya. :)
[17:48] <astraljava> madnick: Perhaps we can expand it to some coding later on. :) You've got cool projects in your portfolio.
[17:48] <knome> ochosi, btw, there's the beta freeze tomorrow :D
[17:51] <madnick> astraljava: :)
[19:20] <knome> ochosi, mr_pouit: beta freeze is tomorrow 21 UTC. we have until that to get FFe's for the plymouth text stuff (i have the code ready) and the audio stuff.
[19:28] <knome> madnick, ?
[19:28] <knome> madnick, it's kind of urgent, if you can get my message... :)
[19:35] <knome> come on....!
[19:44] <madnick> knome: im here!
[19:44] <madnick> :P
[19:44] <knome> madnick, see email
[19:44] <madnick> oh
[19:44] <madnick> 1 seec
[19:44] <knome> sure
[19:46] <madnick> knome: if im answering the right email
[19:46] <knome> well, i only sent you one in the last 5 mins :D
[19:46] <madnick> The translations are not handled by
[19:46] <knome> by what?
[19:46] <madnick> the script, they get handled by the actual messages
[19:46] <madnick> that is sent to plymouth
[19:46] <knome> yeah
[19:46] <knome> but
[19:46] <knome> does this affect translations
[19:47] <knome> does anybody need to retranslate anything?
[19:47] <madnick> nope :)
[19:47] <knome> okay, great
[19:47] <knome> that's the thing i wanted to hear
[19:47] <knome> i'll file an UIFe later today
[19:48] <madnick> The thing I am worried about, is that I have not tested it on hardware, just vm
[19:48] <knome> well, if we get it for beta2, we can test it
[19:48] <madnick> Awesome
[19:48] <knome> if it fails miserably, then revert
[19:48] <madnick> because the strings i use for testing is not the actual ones
[19:48] <knome> anyway, some time off focus
[19:49] <knome> mm-hmm :)
[19:49] <madnick> The script, if installed, will use the actual ones tho
[19:49] <madnick> Just my testing environ
[19:49] <madnick> doesnt
[19:49] <knome> yup
[19:49] <knome> no worries
[19:50] <knome> i wanted to hurry because getting this in beta2 will allow us to test
[19:50] <madnick> okay :)
[19:50] <knome> now, really off focus for approx. 20mins
[19:50] <madnick> cya :)
[20:41] <knome> mr_pouit, !!! https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/precise
[20:41] <knome> mr_pouit, i understood you need to do some magic to get it in ;)
[20:42] <knome> mr_pouit, but UIFe is approved...
[20:42] <knome> off for now.
[21:45]  * knome is back
[22:10]  * astraljava fights to contain the urge to respond in an inappropriate manner.
[22:10] <knome> hah
[22:14] <mr_pouit> knome: that's all? this 3 lines patch?
[22:17] <knome> mr_pouit, yes.
[22:17] <knome> madnick, ^
[22:17] <mr_pouit> nice, thanks, I'll upload
[22:18] <knome> mr_pouit, do you think getting to upload the audio bug related stuff before tomorrow 21 UTC would work?
[22:19] <madnick> The only thing we changed was how the text is presented
[22:19] <knome> again, i can handle the FFe's...
[22:25] <mr_pouit> knome: I think I'll upload xfce4-volumed tonight (it's more of a bugfix than a new feature)
[22:25] <knome> mr_pouit, okay, so what's left then?
[22:25] <mr_pouit> knome: xubuntu-meta and indicator-sound may need a FFe though
[22:25] <knome> mr_pouit, can you help ochosi getting the bugs filed?
[22:25] <knome> he wasn't sure against which packages he should file them
[22:29] <mr_pouit> these two are package names :P
[22:29] <knome> i know.
[22:30] <knome> mr_pouit, but if he needs any more help, will you try to be helpful? (:
[22:30] <mr_pouit> no, as usual (=
[22:30] <astraljava> Silly gnome.
[22:30] <knome> ok, great =(:
[22:31] <mr_pouit> huhu
[22:31]  * knome tries to apply his current beard-look to the smileys
[22:31] <astraljava> You have a beard again?
[22:31] <knome> yeah.
[22:32] <knome> judging by the amount of freeze exceptions, the xubuntu team has been active lately
[22:34] <knome> or, just sucked a lot before.
[22:40] <astraljava> It all depends on how you look at it. :)
[22:40] <knome> yup
[22:40]  * astraljava is really liking weechat now.
[22:41] <knome> hmpf.
[22:41]  * knome is too lazy to learn anything new
[22:41] <knome> irssi works for me, so why try to fix it.
[22:41] <astraljava> Highly customizable, I'm not saying irssi wasn't, but the 256-color support really closed the deal.
[22:41] <knome> who needs 256 colors in IRC ?
[22:42]  * astraljava points at self
[22:42] <knome> i need only one.
[22:42] <knome> i don't want no more.
[22:42] <astraljava> Hmm? Black on black?
[22:42] <knome> blah
[22:42] <knome> black is not a color ;)
[22:42] <astraljava> lollero
[22:42] <knome> hahah
[22:42] <knome> and if pink is the new black, pink isn't a color either.
[22:43] <knome> and if orange is the new pink, orange isn't a color either.
[22:43] <astraljava> What happened to brown? It had to have been _something_ back when ubuntu first came out.
[22:43] <pleia2> pink++
[22:43] <astraljava> pleia2: You have pink highlighted?
[22:43] <knome> the only thing i currently miss from irssi is diff's when topic changes
[22:44] <mr_pouit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/961218
[22:44] <pleia2> astraljava: haha, no :)
[22:44] <knome> i mean yeah, it's nice to know the new topic... but what changed??
[22:44] <mr_pouit> can someone test and alternate and confirm?
[22:44] <knome> mr_pouit, we're both using non-pae
[22:44] <mr_pouit> *an alternate iso
[22:44] <astraljava> knome: weechat shows you the old and the new when it changes. *pfffft*
[22:44] <knome> astraljava, yeah, but i don't want to see the long story
[22:44] <astraljava> mr_pouit: I'm on it.
[22:45] <knome> astraljava, that would fill the whole screen on some channels
[22:45] <astraljava> knome: ...and it costs you... how much again?
[22:45] <knome> 0,01€ per character
[22:46] <astraljava> Whoa, you better re-evaluate your internet plan.
[22:46] <knome> hah.
[22:46] <knome> it costs me valuable screen estate
[22:46] <astraljava> How big is your terminal screen, 16x4?
[22:47] <knome> i'd also like to have a command that would be able to clear any topics and/or names lists at the current window
[22:47] <knome> a bit like /lastlog clear
[22:48] <knome> or, quite much like that, just for /topic and /names
[22:50] <knome> actually, s/quite much/exactly/
[22:51] <mr_pouit> astraljava: thanks
[22:51] <mr_pouit> knome: upload of xubuntu-artwork in progress
[22:51] <knome> mr_pouit, awesome (:
[22:52] <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm about to file the bug (deprecate xfce4-mixer in favor of pavucontrol)
[22:52] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Confirmed.
[22:53] <mr_pouit> meh, another unforeseen consequence of the non-pae switch :{
[22:54] <knome> damn.
[22:54] <knome> cjwatson will surely fix it
[22:56]  * astraljava wonders when ubuntu eco-system grows so big that we need a second cjwatson.
[22:56] <knome> i'm sure the ecosystem in cjwatson's hair will take care of that.
[22:56] <astraljava> Haha!
[22:58] <ochosi> mr_pouit: bug #961744
[22:58] <ochosi> knome: i'm already quiet tired, if you think i missed something in the argument, please add it
[22:59]  * knome wonders how 'quiet tired' differs from 'loud tired'
[22:59] <ochosi> well there you go
[23:01] <ochosi> mr_pouit: and bug #961745
[23:01] <ochosi> i guess that's it for me for today
[23:01] <knome> hmm
[23:01] <knome> what about settings manager?
[23:01] <ochosi> yeah, dunno, do we want that? was just an idea of mine
[23:02] <knome> if xfce4-mixer is there, why not?
[23:02] <knome> (is it?)
[23:02] <knome> if not, then i don't know if we can justify that change for P
[23:02] <mr_pouit> (if we want that, UIFe against xubuntu-default-settings, I guess that's where we'll ship our custom desktop file)
[23:02] <mr_pouit> knome: it's not
[23:02] <knome> i don't think that's necessary
[23:02] <knome> thoughts?
[23:03] <ochosi> well the settings are where i'd expect to find the mixer/sound-settings
[23:03] <ochosi> not in multimedia
[23:03] <ochosi> but maybe that's just me
[23:03] <mr_pouit> ochosi: fyi, v0.7 tag uploaded
[23:03] <ochosi> everything will change in this respect anyway with the settings-manager of xfce 4.10
[23:03] <ochosi> mr_pouit: cool, ty!
[23:03] <knome> mmh
[23:04] <knome> will xfce 4.10 be in Q? :)
[23:04] <ochosi> most likely
[23:04] <ochosi> if the release-date of april 1st holds :}
[23:04] <knome> the april fools release? ;)
[23:04] <ochosi> yup
[23:04] <ochosi> or: the not-april-fools release
[23:04] <knome> heh
[23:04] <knome> i'd rather have that...
[23:05] <mr_pouit> (let's not file too many exceptions though, so it's probably ok witht he mixer in multimedia)
[23:05] <knome> yup
[23:05] <knome> mr_pouit, want to add patches or so to the bugs?
[23:05] <mr_pouit> we've already filed more exceptions recently than all previous cycles :}
[23:05] <knome> i know... :<
[23:06] <ochosi> it's not necessarily bad
[23:06] <ochosi> it means at least _something_ is moving (even if late)
[23:06] <knome> hehe
[23:08] <ochosi> ok, just fyi i'll be offline tomorrow the whole day
[23:08] <knome> ouch.
[23:08] <ochosi> i have to teach @university all day
[23:08] <knome> will you be back even at the evening?
[23:08] <ochosi> not sure
[23:08] <knome> okay
[23:08] <ochosi> i think i'll be dead-tired after 6hrs of teaching (in a row)
[23:09] <knome> in that case, have a nice day, and hopefully you feel bad about leaving us to handle the FFe
[23:09] <knome> ;)
[23:09] <ochosi> i know beta-freeze is tomorrow, but really there isn't anything we would wanna do this last-minute
[23:09] <knome> j/k
[23:09] <knome> yeah, sure
[23:09] <ochosi> knome: nah, not really, i filed them, you said you'd take them from there ;)
[23:09] <knome> i will
[23:10] <knome> mr_pouit, i'm repeating myself: do you want to add anything to the bug reports?
[23:10] <ochosi> sounds like "getting things knome" :)
[23:11] <knome> lol
[23:11] <ochosi> i think i'll recycle this pun from now on
[23:11] <knome> awwh
[23:12] <ochosi> btw, the stupid logo-discussion also prevails on g+
[23:12] <knome> link?
[23:12] <ochosi> (stupid, because there really are more important things one could discuss)
[23:13] <ochosi> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112064450121097287690/posts
[23:15] <knome> mmh, yeah
[23:16] <knome> at least it's not completly brainless lart
[23:16] <ochosi> yup
[23:16] <knome> though i don't think the "i like the old logo, but the new colors" -comments add much to the discussion
[23:16] <ochosi> but really, one month after the release people will have forgotten this
[23:16] <knome> surely
[23:16] <knome> and especially after they've seen it in context, as you said
[23:16] <knome> that's really what matters
[23:17] <knome> how it works in the real world
[23:17] <ochosi> yup
[23:17] <knome> and how come somebody can "prefer the full mouse"
[23:17] <knome> lol
[23:17] <knome> that's a half mouse too...
[23:18] <ochosi> hehe
[23:18] <ochosi> yeah
[23:18] <ochosi> in fact it's almost a natural consequence
[23:18] <ochosi> that the mouse got reduced even more
[23:18] <knome> yup
[23:18] <ochosi> as it was already cut the last time
[23:18] <knome> yeah, and its eye was taken too
[23:18] <ochosi> a pirate mouse!
[23:18] <knome> and the nerds bag below the eye
[23:18] <knome> ;)
[23:19] <knome> i always thought the xfce mouse looks tired
[23:21] <ochosi> btw, you could always enlighten the people ranting about the "not looking like a mouse anymore" with the knowledge that the mouse has also disappeared from the start-page of xfce.org ;)
[23:21] <knome> heh
[23:21] <knome> that's a good point
[23:21] <ochosi> it has become pretty marginal
[23:21] <knome> maybe we should add that to the blog article
[23:21] <ochosi> sure, go ahead
[23:23] <mr_pouit> debdiff attached to the indicator-sound bug report
[23:24] <mr_pouit> ochosi: patch for xfce4-volumed uploaded
[23:24] <ochosi> very nice
[23:25] <knome> mr_pouit, want to add something to the other bug ?
[23:26] <mr_pouit> looks ok to me, thanks
[23:26] <mr_pouit> you can play with your FFe thing :P
[23:27] <knome> hah
[23:27] <knome> thanks
[23:27] <knome> The picmark is still based on the Xfce mouse, but it's more simplified and designed to be easier to drop in various places. As we have heard comments about the picmark not looking a mouse any more or having too little mouse in it, we would like to make a note that even the Xfce website doesn't have the mouse anymore. Altogether, the mouse is becoming more marginal than it was before.
[23:27] <knome> how does that sound?
[23:27] <knome> i have the feeling it's a bit defensive, but that's not intentional
[23:28] <ochosi> first off: don't generalize, the mouse is still on some parts of the xfce site
[23:28] <ochosi> just not the front-page
[23:28] <ochosi> and yes, it sounds pretty defensive
[23:28] <ochosi> i wouldn't do that
[23:29] <ochosi> also, what do you mean by "designed to be easier to drop in various places"?
[23:29] <mr_pouit> try to sound more optimistic: "the new logo was adopted on a broad consensus and immediately got a lot of feedback from the community"
[23:29]  * mr_pouit runs
[23:29] <knome> that it works better on different contexts
[23:29] <ochosi> hihi
[23:30] <knome> well, there's the answer to that, rewritten.
[23:31] <knome> The picmark is still based on the Xfce mouse, but it's more simplified and designed to work better on different contexts. As we have heard comments about the picmark not looking a mouse any more or having too little mouse in it, we would like to make a note that even the frontpage of the Xfce website doesn't feature the mouse anymore. Altogether, the mouse is becoming more marginal than it was before.
[23:31] <ochosi> "in different contexts"
[23:32] <knome> yes
[23:32] <ochosi> "not looking a mouse" > "not resembling a mouse"
[23:32] <knome> i think we're using too much letters to tell this
[23:32] <ochosi> "too many"
[23:32] <knome> AAAARGH
[23:32] <ochosi> hehe
[23:35] <knome> "While the picmark has lost some similarity with the original Xfce mouse, we'd like to note that the mouse is becoming more marginal. For example, it's not even featured on the frontpage of the Xfce website!"
[23:35] <knome> that sounds defensive too, doesn't it?
[23:35] <knome> "While the picmark has lost some similarity with the original Xfce mouse, there's a trend making the mouse is becoming more marginal. For example, it's not even featured on the frontpage of the Xfce website!"
[23:35] <knome> err
[23:36] <knome> that didn't make sense, ignore
[23:36] <knome> "While the picmark has lost some similarity with the original Xfce mouse, there's a trend making the mouse more marginal. For example, it's not even featured on the frontpage of the Xfce website!"
[23:36] <knome> that does.
[23:36] <knome> except there's some language fail
[23:36] <knome> what's the verb for trend?
[23:37] <knome> ...trend of the mouse becoming more marginal altogether
[23:37] <knome> ?
[23:37] <knome> mr_pouit, 01:34  skaet: knome,  it means I'm postponing my dinner to go look at it.   :)
[23:37] <knome> mr_pouit, i think something is working.
[23:38] <ochosi> i would really argue that the further reduction of the mouse is a logical step from the last logo-change
[23:38] <ochosi> and only mention the xfce-page in a sidenote
[23:38] <knome> let me try to phrase that
[23:38] <ochosi> who knows whether the folks @xfce-dev agree with the logo (or the "trend")
[23:39] <knome> well, i don't think they can (dis)allow any trends ;)
[23:39] <ochosi> yeah, but the trend might be a construction
[23:39] <ochosi> or: not intended
[23:40] <knome> mr_pouit, 01:39  cjwatson: knome: gotcha; seed fiddling required, I'll look tomorrow morning
[23:40] <knome> "The picmark is still based on the Xfce mouse, but it's more simplified and designed to work better in different contexts. While the picmark has lost some similarity with the original Xfce mouse, reducing the complexity is a logical step from the last logo change."
[23:40] <knome> would that go?
[23:41] <GridCube> might i ask somethig?
[23:41] <knome> that's MUCH better, and it's not really defensive, it's just justifying
[23:41] <knome> GridCube, sure.
[23:41] <GridCube> why is it a logical step?
[23:41] <knome> err, rationalizing would be better word even
[23:41] <knome> GridCube, we dropped some of the mouse on our last logo change
[23:41] <knome> GridCube, including the eye and two whiskers
[23:42] <knome> GridCube, isn't it a logical direction to reduce a bit more?
[23:42] <knome> GridCube, rather than add features back?
[23:42] <GridCube> ... well that would mean that the direction is a blue circle?
[23:42] <knome> blaupunkt, yes
[23:42] <knome> i've always liked that logo
[23:42] <ochosi> :)
[23:42] <knome> GridCube, essentially, yes, that's the direction. but not the goal :)
[23:43] <GridCube> mmm. i can not agree to that
[23:43] <knome> ochosi, you like the last version?
[23:43] <knome> ochosi, i don't think we actually want to mention the xfce website. we link to it with the Xfce word anyway, people can find that our theirself.
[23:43] <ochosi> "in different contexts" + "and sizes."
[23:43] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:44] <knome> i also s/original Xfce mouse/Xfce mouse/
[23:45] <knome> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaupunkt :)
[23:45] <knome> i really like that logo
[23:45] <knome> though i don't like the 'blau' tone ;)
[23:45] <knome> maybe we should make the xubuntu text italic
[23:45] <ochosi> i had a car-radio once that was by blaupunkt
[23:45] <GridCube> ...
[23:45] <ochosi> they have a good reputation around here
[23:46] <knome> GridCube, what? :)
[23:46] <knome> GridCube, i'm just kidding with italic
[23:46] <knome> GridCube, oblique is much better, if it's available
[23:47] <knome> GridCube, no really, i'm just kidding. let's make it bold.
[23:47] <GridCube> XD
[23:47] <GridCube> oh okay
[23:47] <GridCube> XD
[23:47] <knome> yeah, i'm definitely not going to change the text
[23:47] <knome> normal is just good.
[23:47] <ochosi> you mean to "buxuntu"?
[23:47] <knome> hahah
[23:48] <knome> NO, it's knomebuntu, didn't we agree this on the secret #xubuntu-conspiracies channel!??
[23:48] <GridCube> oh, did you read the blogpost from the kubuntu people, they are considering, or so he says, about changing the kubuntu name
[23:48] <knome> oops
[23:48] <knome> :)
[23:48] <knome> really?
[23:49] <GridCube> he asks if it could be a good idea
[23:49] <GridCube> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4547
[23:49] <GridCube> the last paragraph
[23:49] <knome> yeah, he isn't suggesting any names though
[23:49] <GridCube> no 
[23:50] <astraljava> ochosi: As in 'bugsuntu'?
[23:50] <GridCube> he is just trhouwing the idea
[23:50] <knome> astraljava, ouch... :)
[23:50] <knome> GridCube, i'm pretty sure he is actually just joking:)
[23:50] <GridCube> prolly
[23:50] <astraljava> knome: Hey, I'm helping you fix them! *grin*
[23:50] <knome> astraljava, hmm, i thought that was a suggestion for the new KDE flavor of ubuntu
[23:50]  * knome hides
[23:51] <astraljava> People jumping on the '4010' train?
[23:51] <knome> maybe :)
[23:51] <ochosi> yeah, good idea: xubuntu could keep its name but disconnect its version numbers from ubuntu to create confusion :)
[23:51] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:52] <knome> what about releasing Xubuntu 13 next?
[23:52] <knome> codenamed 'You will ever regret you installed it on a Friday'
[23:52] <astraljava> Xubuntu Th1rte3n.
[23:53] <astraljava> And then the fall release could be "I know what you installed last summer!"
[23:53] <knome> robert miles released an album named 'Th1rt3en' last year.
[23:53] <ochosi> huhu
[23:53] <micahg> wow, so it slipped another month, I'm so glad we went with 4.8
[23:53] <knome> liplap, maan mainio laituri!
[23:53] <astraljava> knome: So did Megadeth.
[23:53] <knome> only astraljava is going to get that^
[23:54] <knome> astraljava, Th1rt3en or Th1rte3n? 
[23:54] <ochosi> micahg: yes, but even that is not for sure, mostly it depends on nick's progress with the power-manager and session
[23:54] <astraljava> Hmm... the former, it seems.
[23:54] <knome> weird coincidence
[23:54] <astraljava> ...and no, I don't get it either.
[23:55] <knome> hah
[23:55] <knome> good luck then
[23:55] <knome> trying to work me with two more releases... :)
[23:55] <astraljava> I won't be working you.
[23:55] <knome> err
[23:56] <astraljava> I'll be working on bugsuntu.
[23:56] <knome> looks like i'm a bit tired too
[23:59] <ochosi> ok people, i've finished my worksheets for my lectures tomorrow, i'm off to bed