[00:00] sorry, I'm too tired to be useful, so i'll read the backlog [00:00] good night! [00:01] sure, good night mr_pouit ! [00:02] night mr_pouit :) [00:04] hmm, resizing partitions. always fun. [00:04] imo we should hide ff's menubar by default [00:04] it's so much prettier without it [00:05] bleh, that's another UIFe [00:05] for p+1 then [00:06] xfce4-notifyd should be disabled in maybe-ubiquity [00:06] it shows stuff like wireless-networks available, but you can't interact with it [00:07] I can't believe T-bird is still suffering from the same problem it has had for the past decade, at least. [00:07] ? [00:08] Messages with umlauts in subject aren't displayed correctly in the thread pane, if no content-type is specified in the headers. [00:08] pff [00:09] knome: ubiquity looks ok to me [00:09] i mean size-wise [00:10] ochosi, on a netbook? [00:10] :P [00:10] hm, maybe not [00:10] btw, the wallpaper is also old on that shot [00:10] apparently 470 just isn't enough... [00:11] ochosi, want to come up with an updated shot there? [00:11] :| [00:11] hmm [00:11] if i don't have anything better to do... [00:11] if we decide to try to fit netbooks [00:11] i dunno, i don't own a netbook ;) [00:11] tbh the slideshow isn't huge as it is [00:12] i know [00:12] Maybe it's time for a netbook edition. :) [00:12] i'm investigating this mostly for US [00:12] but seeing what our chances are, too [00:12] astraljava: huhu [00:12] restarting, hopefully brb [00:13] i'm wondering what our chances are keeping up the accessibility with nobody with expertise on that [00:14] accessibility as in accessibility for the disabled [00:14] general accessibility should be okay, at least [00:15] back [00:15] knome: I have no idea. I only know of one dev who concentrates on that stuff, and he's way busy. [00:16] yeah. [00:21] re: a11y: there's also this thing now, should we even think about the app sets, or just keep on installing the few a11y tools by default [00:21] and tell people who want ubuntu+plain xfce to use minimal as before [00:22] a11y set made it worthwhile, but the xfce-only alone... well, i don't know [00:24] knome: cool, the power-icon stuff worked [00:25] including notifications [00:25] great! [00:25] yah, the power-icon never looked that crisp ;) [00:25] k, gotta quickly reboot to test that audio-stuff [00:26] audio stuff? Anything about the mute button? [00:26] nonau: that's what i'm testing [00:27] ochosi: If possible, can I give it a test too? [00:27] ochosi, 520 height -> http://imagebin.org/204442 -> \o/ [00:27] wah [00:28] nonau: sure, try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485/comments/3 [00:28] Launchpad bug 883485 in xfce4-volumed "Pulse Audio don't get unmuted when XF86AudioMute is used" [Undecided,Won't fix] [00:28] nonau: if that works for you giving you unmute again, start testing whether xfce4-mixer still works [00:28] (and whether it displays notifications) [00:29] leo-unglaub: what's up? :) [00:29] knome: yeah, looks good. but really the header is eating a lot of space considering it's such a small window now [00:30] maybe screenshots should somehow overlap it... [00:30] i am just loosing it here [00:30] leo-unglaub: with your project? [00:30] i don't get why people don't support there projects [00:30] just needet "giver" [00:30] to copy some files [00:30] ochosi, i made the header smaller on xubuntu slideshow [00:30] broken in current version [00:30] ochosi, on the US slideshow, there was no need [00:31] leo-unglaub: that sucks. haven't tried giver in ages though [00:31] i mean, i have nearly 40 projects on github and even i don't need one of them i try to still supprt them [00:31] and my company project...dude...not in a month .. [00:32] meh, that doesn't sound good [00:33] brb [00:37] ochosi: I manually changed that setting in the Settings Editor (to the value in the comment). The keys work, I have notifications, and all seems to work. :) [00:38] nonau: are you on precise? [00:39] ochosi: Yes. I copied the string from "sound-card" to "active-card". [00:40] mr_pouit: there are some serious issues with xfconf in precise. first off: values can be changed, but the changes aren't saved. doesn't matter whether via cli or gui. also: after launching xfce-session xubuntu-session is kinda borked. many of the session-settings are gone (xfwm4-theme, font-rendering etc.) [00:40] nonau: lucky for you, didn't work for me. the values don't get saved [00:41] is the 12.04 bug with the not disapering notify-bouble reported? [00:41] also: here the string in sound-card and active-card are the same (HDAIntelAlsamixer) [00:41] nonau: ^ [00:42] leo-unglaub: i think that was even reported for oneiric, but never fixed afaik [00:43] ochosi: I'll see if it still saves for me after restart. For me, HDAIntelAlsamixer was active card and the other was PlaybackBultinAudio... [00:46] ochosi: Setting saved on restart. The problem is fixed for myself. [00:46] nonau: could you please open xfce4-mixer [00:46] then check whether volume-changes are still reflected there when pressing the multimedia-buttons [00:47] if that works, also check whether moving the slider in xfce4-mixer makes the notification-bubble appear [00:47] ochosi: Done, it updated the volume slider in sync with the volume keys. [00:48] ("moving the slider", as in: clicking and dragging it with the mouse) [00:48] notification does appear for both the buttons and dragging the slider [00:48] cool [00:49] wondering why you have different settings for sound-card though [00:49] would you mind pasting the value that worked for you? [00:50] PlaybackBuiltinAudioAnalogStereoPulseAudioMixer for both /active-card and /sound-card [00:50] in fact: if you could add what you did to make everything work here, that'd be great: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485 [00:50] Launchpad bug 883485 in xfce4-volumed "Pulse Audio don't get unmuted when XF86AudioMute is used" [Undecided,Won't fix] [00:51] ochosi: http://img641.imageshack.us/i/auswahl007.jpg/ <- thats not even close, but the result in the new glade version *g* [00:51] :) [00:52] leo-unglaub: well, if you can get the fill-setting right then this could still be a good step forward [00:52] no, because the playtime ist gone *g* [00:52] hihi, true [00:52] i overlooked that [00:53] i hate glade...thats one of the reasions my company switch to mono...the monodevelop gui designer ist beautiful [00:53] nonau: ok, can reproduce that now. problem with setting sound-card to builtin blah is that you can't control input anymore [00:53] nonau: (in xfce4-mixer) [00:53] ochosi, would you like to test the new slideshow? [00:54] ochosi, bzr branch lp:~knome/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/xubuntu-netbook [00:54] knome: not sure, i'm already pretty tired, and i already tested such a lot today.. [00:54] ochosi, this one is easy though, just a pull and run a script :) [00:55] tbh, it is pretty much done now, though i'd like you to see it before i start begging for an UIFe ;) [00:56] ochosi: is this tool bar still needet? http://img841.imageshack.us/i/auswahl007.jpg/ [00:57] that looks useful :) [00:58] but is this in the current version enabled? [00:58] * knome has no idea, but it looks useful ;) [00:58] this toolbar is only shown when playing a dvd [00:58] so removing that would disable dvd-navigation [00:59] (it's pretty hacky if you ask me, but anyway...) [00:59] it sucks to navigate dvd's is 'menu' is more than one click away though... :) [01:00] ochosi: are you sure it's used? [01:00] leo-unglaub: yes [01:00] because i don't see the events in zthe source code [01:00] leo-unglaub: it's really conditionally shown when a dvd is inserted [01:02] knome: branching that takes ages :( [01:02] knome: what scripts do i have to run now? [01:02] ochosi, don't you think i now? i've branched that at least 4 times today :D [01:02] ochosi, test-slideshow.sh, select xubuntu [01:02] s/now/know [01:02] ;) [01:02] ochosi, that's it. [01:02] heh, right ;) [01:03] * knome is pretty much ready to bed [01:03] so what do you wanna see? [01:03] just want ACK/AARGH from you [01:03] :) [01:03] ochosi, i want *you* to see the new, 520px tall slideshow :) [01:03] looks pretty similar to as always [01:03] yeah, but it's more condensed [01:03] check all the slides [01:03] shouldn't be surprises but... [01:04] if that works for you, i'll file an UIFe tomorrow... [01:04] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03212012-020416am.php [01:04] (or just ask around if i could upload that without UIFe, since nothing really changed) [01:04] yup. [01:04] please enjoy my borked fonts after starting xfce-session [01:04] hahah [01:04] that _really_ should be fixed [01:04] that's how the shot is cut [01:04] the fonts? [01:05] or maybe my eyes are tired [01:05] or them breaking after running xfce? [01:05] no, they suck [01:05] more things broke [01:05] astraljava!! [01:05] astraljava, you asked for critical bugs? [01:05] xfwm4-compositing setting was gone [01:05] xfwm4-theme was gone [01:05] font-rendering settings [01:05] font-settings (sans instead of droid sans) [01:05] ochosi, if you aren't too tired, please file a bug [01:05] i am [01:06] i pinged lionel, hopefully he'll reply tomorrow [01:06] okay, then let's gather that tomorrow from the logs [01:06] Anything else I should test, pulseaudio related or otherwise? [01:06] also: the shade button is part of xfwm4 now [01:07] nonau: could you please log out, log into xfce4-session and then back into xubuntu session and see whether anything changed? [01:07] evil. [01:07] ochosi: Can do. [01:07] (for me that broke/changed a lot of things, a quick confirmation would be good) [01:07] ...and a bug report [01:07] knome: well, we wanna know, don't we? [01:07] :P [01:07] huhu, you're evil! [01:08] well if other people have more energy... [01:08] or better timezone ;) [01:08] knome: look at this: should i make the recorded channels red and the unselected captures like the currently selected one? [01:08] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03212012-020852am.php [01:09] i have NO idea what you are talking about [01:09] better now? [01:09] hmm. recorded channel *names* ? [01:09] no, the microphone icon [01:09] (sorry, was a bit unspecific at first) [01:09] ochosi, instead of what? [01:10] ochosi, looking like the button is pressed down? [01:10] knome: make "Capture 1" and "2" look like "Capture", make "Capture" red instead [01:10] hmmph. [01:10] knome: maybe that's clearer visually to see which chan is recorded from [01:10] knome: Yes I did. [01:10] i'd prefer a red record-icon [01:10] astraljava, well, you have one now. :) [01:10] ochosi: Logged into xfe-session and back into xubuntu. I now have two additional workspaces, the bottom panel is no longer transparent, and no other noticeable changes. [01:11] nonau: different window borders? [01:11] ochosi, but the current unpressed/pressed states are fine, imo [01:11] ochosi: Roll up button was added. [01:11] knome: pressed == recording. unpressed is just nothing [01:11] ochosi, exactly. [01:11] nonau: but the theme was kept? or are the borders blue now? [01:12] ochosi, can you change the pressed button icon to red record-icon ? [01:12] knome: so you'd keep it as is or make pressed==red? [01:12] ochosi, as is, but add the icon change when pressed [01:12] knome: yeah, i'd simply re-color it [01:12] i'd use the red dot [01:12] ochosi: Theme was kept. [01:13] nonau: ok, what about font-settings? (settings-manager>appearance>fonts) [01:13] knome: Err... where? [01:13] astraljava, log in to xfce session, then back to xubuntu session. some settings are lost. [01:13] astraljava, some attention to the discussion on the channel, please ;) [01:13] knome: nah, either use a mic or a red dot. i don't like icon-changes on click, that feels whacky [01:14] knome: Ok, let me try. [01:14] ochosi, could it be light-gray dot on non-pressed state? [01:14] knome: Hah. [01:14] ochosi: It changed to Sans, 10 point, no anti-aliasing. [01:14] astraljava, especially the discussion between ochosi and nonau :)= [01:14] knome: i'll think about it tomorrow. i generally like the mic-icon... [01:14] nonau: ok, same here :( [01:14] ochosi, mmh. in this case, i don't know if the icon change would be too wacky. [01:15] ochosi, it's intended to be a big difference so you can notice that. [01:15] knome: i'll think about it when i'm not as tired as i am now [01:15] yeah, i might be not thiking the clearest either [01:15] :) [01:15] +n [01:15] ... [01:15] ok, i really really gotta go to sleep now [01:15] not typing either [01:15] i can't get anything done anymore anyway now [01:15] see y'all tomorrow or soonish [01:15] same here [01:15] Heading out for now as well. [01:15] see you [01:16] thanks for testing, nonau [01:16] and night/day everybody! :) [01:16] yup, thanks nonau! :) [01:16] -> [01:16] No problem. [01:16] grr... no menu item for qemu-kvm. [01:16] night everyone! [01:55] knome: ochosi: Yeah, I see how it changes. I will look into this tomorrow, I may have to sleep too, it seems. :) [03:05] the new xubuntu logo looks very, very nice [03:09] Indeed it does. [03:17] One thing I've noticed is that networking notifications don't seem to follow the settings in Settings Manager > Notifications. [10:14] ScottL, thanks for the praise. it's not unanimous... :) [10:33] No, it's not... *smirk* [10:34] astraljava, so, what do *you* like of the logo? [10:34] in a way it's a big thing to change, otoh, a user doesn't see it too often anyway [10:36] madnick, you on? [10:36] Yeah well, I like what has been attempted to achieve with the change. It's a big change, like you said, so I'm not sure I've gotten accustomed to it just yet. :) [10:36] mm-hmm [10:37] i really think it hits the nails head on small sizes [10:37] Probably will, I've only seen it bigger so far. [10:38] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/oldexports/logo_comparison_appmenu.png [10:43] Yeah, there it looks much cleaner. [10:46] :| [10:46] oh, the logo [10:46] are you near your qemu installation? [10:47] Yes I am. [10:49] could you check what i proposed? branch the slideshow, and try running the test-slideshow-script [10:49] and see if it has the scrollbars too [10:49] I can, after "breakfast". :) [10:50] heh [11:05] gah, LP is acting up. [11:06] ...or then it's the virt networking. [11:06] Come to think of it, LP has been much more stable than, say, a few years back. [11:06] sure [11:08] knome: Wouldn't it have been k3wl if the mouse had an eye in the logo? :D Probably too small a detail, but just thought of it right now. [11:09] yeah, it's too small [11:09] we already lost that feature for the 10.04 logo, it was in before [11:09] knome: Yeah, no scrollbars there. [11:09] :|| [11:09] damn, that's nasty [11:10] It is. I'll testdrive the studio amd64 image again, so I'll get you a screen shot of it. [11:10] mmh [11:10] can you remember seeing that with vbox? [11:11] No, I haven't tested on vbox, but I can if you want. [11:11] the slideshow is in webkit, so if qemu messes that up... then it's just qemu and we can pretty much forget that [11:11] if you could, would be awesome [11:11] Sure, I have it installed already. [11:12] meh, i mean at installation time.. :) [11:12] if qemu doesn't show the scrollbars in test-slideshow, why should vbox? [11:13] that's not even the place we'd care about them, because it's just test [11:14] I mean, I have vbox installed, so no big deal. :) [11:14] Yeah, beats me. [11:14] hehe, right [11:14] :)= [11:15] yup, it's weird, and scary too... [11:15] I kinda dislike the whole virt, still, but it's much quicker. [11:15] but let's hope it is qemu messing things up [11:23] Ehh... this is seriously weird. In vbox, it mentions the machine being powered on at the initial checks, which it didn't in qemu. [11:23] hmm :) [11:25] knome: http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_vbox_slideshow.png vs. http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/us_qemu_slideshow.png, it looks like qemu has some serious issues. Look at the bottom of that screen shot. [11:26] ...or it could be an architectural thing, I am not an expert on virt anyhoo. [11:41] astraljava, yeah, huh :) [11:41] phew [11:43] in that case i think we can merge the branc [11:43] h [11:44] Yeah, go right ahead. [11:45] hello guys, good morning :D [11:46] o/ [12:06] knome: 3-cushion billiard on Eurosport2 [13:08] astraljava, too bad the eurosport channels still don't work here [13:18] i'm off. see you later in the evening === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:08] Hello everyone [16:09] hey [16:10] is the xubuntu screensaver a part of the xfce project? [16:10] because i thing i found a security bug [16:12] leo-unglaub: that's xscreensaver, i think one of the (supposedly) safest lockers around [16:12] (not part of xfce) [16:12] hmmm [16:12] i was able to pick up an incoming skype call while the screen was locked [16:13] wow [16:13] that's disturbing [16:13] ochosi, ping [16:13] knome: pong [16:14] so, regarding to the discussion earlier while trying to triage the audio mute bug [16:14] yup [16:14] well, there are two ways of dealing with the current unmute-bug [16:14] 1) fix it via setting an xfconf-value (in the property /active-card) via xubuntu-default-settings [16:15] 2) fix it by patching xfce4-volumed directly to prefer pulseaudio [16:15] is 1) problem-free? [16:15] well, the thing is that people have reported differing values for pulseaudio [16:15] you can see that in the bugreport [16:15] that's the main issue [16:16] aaand the bug # is? [16:16] variant 2) seems more flexible [16:16] :) [16:16] #883485 [16:16] meh [16:16] bug #883485 [16:16] Launchpad bug 883485 in xfce4-volumed "Pulse Audio don't get unmuted when XF86AudioMute is used" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/883485 [16:16] variant 2) needs pavucontrol instead of xfce4-mixer [16:16] right? [16:16] not necessarily [16:16] but it would make sense [16:16] as it's more a shift towards using pulseaudio more [16:17] and that can't be handled by xfce4-mixer [16:17] xfce4-mixer uses gstreamer, and gstreamer has terrible pulseaudio bindings [16:17] i've personally used pavucontrol for a while already... [16:17] therefore it doesnt support pulseaudio [16:17] so people can't take advantage of it [16:17] what about panel applets? [16:17] I really wish I knew and understood everything you guys are talking about :( [16:17] well, we don't use the xfce4-mixer in the panel anyway [16:17] bogner17, feel free to ask :) [16:17] for at least two releases we've been using indicator-sound [16:18] ochosi, but can we get something for pavucontrol in? [16:18] knome: into indicator-sound? [16:18] ochosi, hmm, that's the applet with music player play controls? [16:18] yup [16:18] huho [16:18] knome how do you do that like red private message thinging? [16:18] wasn't there a bug with that? scrolling not working [16:18] bogner17, just type somebody's nick, and they most probably will get a highlight [16:18] knome: not sure what you mean with "scrolling" [16:19] ochosi, scroll mouse whell on top of applet [16:19] knome did you get highlighted? [16:19] shouldn't that control audio volume? [16:19] bogner17, yup :) [16:19] knome: oh, that has been fixed [16:19] knome awesome :) [16:19] (in oneiric already) [16:19] ah [16:19] nice [16:19] so no backdraws there [16:19] so indicator-sound works with pavucontrol too? [16:19] yup [16:19] ok [16:19] the "sound settings" button has to receive a patch [16:19] aham? [16:19] so that pavucontrol opens instead of xfce4-mixer [16:20] right [16:20] but it's trivial [16:20] but that's trivial? [16:20] good. [16:20] mr_pouit has already provided a patch [16:20] i wonder if this should go under FFe [16:20] i've also tested his patch against volumed to prefer pulseaudio [16:20] works well [16:20] i'm all for dropping xfce4-mixer [16:20] yeah, me too [16:20] having two mixers is odd and confusing [16:20] yes [16:20] and xfce4-mixer is getting deprecated (unless we decide to drop pulseaudio) [16:21] well, you can have even four mixers if you want, but.. :) [16:21] another cool thing would be to get pavucontrol into the settings-manager [16:21] looking at ubuntu going to PA, i don't think we're going to swim upstream (pun intended) with no PA [16:21] that would only mean modifying its .desktop file a bit [16:21] hmm [16:21] yeah, i think we don't have too much choice than to embrace PA [16:21] can we get a patch for that, and some publicity for it too [16:21] after all, it's supposed to be the sound-server of the future ;) [16:21] and then testing too... [16:22] well, we don't have to embrace it, using it is enough ;] [16:22] but tbh, it's worked fine for me [16:27] hmm, so [16:27] is there a bug for any of this? [16:28] if you could file one with a quick list of the needed changes, and maybe a quick rationale, that would be good [16:28] sry, brb [16:29] heh, np :) [16:30] new slideshow is now uploaded along with appropriate changelog [16:30] ScottL, ^ ubuntu studio too [16:37] ok, back [16:37] so, if we'd have a bug, that would be good [16:37] not sure against what i should report the bug "replace xfce4-mixer by pavucontrol" [16:38]