[02:01] Hey all! I'm curious to see if anyone would like to hack on a AI project dealing with speech recognition for Linux. The code's at https://github.com/spchcntrl/speechcontrol. Thanks for forking! [02:13] Hello [02:14] GARG! [02:14] I hate sick families [02:14] jjesse: ping [02:14] please be there [02:15] o.O [02:16] Oi! :) [02:16] * Darkwing sighs === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Rohan must read up on ABI and AR and DEB and seeds | Precise: Feature Freeze -> Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce | wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | welcome shadeslayer! | todo: calligra 2.3. & KDevelop [02:17] Hey ScottK [02:17] Since Kubuntu now is a community distro, how about make the release cycle in sync with kde release cycle? [02:18] That is a good idea. [02:18] But it still uses Ubuntu. [02:18] It'd be segmented in releases, no? [02:18] Heya Darkwing. [02:18] ScottK: How have you been? [02:19] Busy. [02:19] I hear that. [02:19] job shopping/hunting is kicking my arse. [02:19] we can incorporate ppa repos in the release [02:19] job shopping! I like the ring of that. [02:19] I've turned it into a full time prospect. Still no luck. [02:20] That can be tough. [02:21] Yeah... I'm getting worn out. [02:24] Weee, thankfully there were not many major changes in the docs === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [03:07] jjesse: ping [03:16] Oh. My. God. [03:17] Diff against target: 2034 lines (+1340/-385) 3 files modified [03:30] Darkwing: littlegirl was on with questions earlier today. You might want to fire off an email (if you have an address) [03:30] ScottK: Yup. I've talked to her. Expecting her at some point tonight. [03:30] OK. Great. [03:32] She was going through and cleaning up the coding. [03:32] plus grammer stuff. [03:35] Grammar is good. We should have some. [03:35] Yup. [03:36] I'm stilling mulling the idea of going away from the docs and building the HTML5 Welcome Center for 12.10 [03:36] I mean, between KDE, Ubuntu help, LibreOffice and others, we are duplicating efforts. [03:37] We should ship a browser than can do HTML5 first. [03:37] For what I'm doing we have everything we need. [03:37] I had a prrof at the last UDS. [03:37] OK [03:37] I'll redo it for UDS and demo it. [03:37] Well, demo the idea. [03:38] It'll end up being a widget that they can do with what they will but, it will be there on the first startup like we have the Desktop Folder currently. [03:39] Riddell is not a fan of stuff that runs on first run. [03:39] You've been warned. [03:39] He was on board with this idea :D [03:39] At least at the last UDS he was. [03:39] Because of how it was done. [03:40] But, because there is translations within qtwebkit it wont have to be translated. It will have the ability to have a translation selection on the fly. [03:40] Well, I don't know if it's within qtwebkit or, if it's an addon for translations. [03:41] I know it can be done with a smaller footprint than the kubuntu-docs package with translations. [03:46] Riddell: calligra-l10n-sk looks like an empty pacakge. I'm going to accept anyway, but FYI. [04:00] Yay! [04:00] Heh, I saw your email. (: [04:00] I knew you would show up soonish. [04:00] :) [04:00] I'm a night owl. (: [04:00] Okay, what changes you make in those merge requests with 1.5K+ changes? :P:P [04:01] and have you validated the XML yet? :D [04:01] All of the XML is validated, and the changes are listed in the comments. (: [04:01] The reason that last one was huge was apparently that it pushed all of my commits instead of just the most recent one. The latest one was photos.xml. (: [04:02] If it's easier, I can send you a zipped up copy of the branch and you can run a diff to see my changes to the individual documents. [04:02] Okay, Let me get those merged in. I have not opened it just yet... have you updated the todo list? [04:02] Yep! [04:02] Okay good. [04:03] Gimme a min. [04:03] Every time I worked on one I updated it to say INPROGRESS and every time I finished one I changed it to DONE. [04:04] But there are a couple that aren't technically truly done, so I added some comments to your whiteboard to let you know what still needs to be done on those. [04:04] You are awesome. :) [04:04] LOL [04:04] I feel like I'm getting it wrong because the pushes are not what I'm expecting. I would rather push only what I had just changed, but Riddell told me if I do the branch command each time it should do that. [04:06] I wish you guys used SVN - then I'd be right at home. (: === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [04:10] littlegirl: If you like svn, you can do bzr co instead of bzr branch and it will work ~just like svn. [04:11] ScottK: Then how do I send my commit to Launchpad? [04:11] littlegirl: bzr ci (just like you'd do svn ci) [04:11] If you do it that way, there's no local commit. It's a commit to the remote just like in svn. [04:11] ScottK: Hmmm, interesting. I didn't realize I could do that. (: [04:12] ScottK: Oh, I'm not allowed to do that yet. (: [04:12] That's a problem. [04:12] Right, you'd have to have commit access to the bzr repo on LP. [04:12] I didn't think of that. [04:13] But it's good to know that I can do that in future, because I really like SVN. (: [04:13] * littlegirl has what seems like billions of personal SVN repos on her computer. [04:14] One project I consult for ended up using bzr because there was a split between people that liked svn and people that liked git. bzr can serve both reasonably well. [04:14] It does seem pretty cool that it accepts SVN commands. (: [04:15] littlegirl: If you want to just get the last commit, you can use "bzr diff -c -1". [04:15] Okay, those are done. [04:16] littlegirl: If you want to help me review content on what is left? [04:16] ScottK: What, exactly, does that do? [04:16] That gives you a diff with the changes from the last commit you did (current minus 1) [04:16] Darkwing: Yeah, there are some I can't do - at least not if they require checking content for accuracy - like, for instance, I don't have wireless access so I couldn't test anything that required that. [04:17] Those should be the same... I'll check those. [04:17] ScottK: Oh, cool. I just go into the directory where the file is and do bzr diff and it shows me the difference between the xml file in that directory and the workingcopy original. (: [04:18] You can feed diff different parameters based on how far back you want to go. [04:18] Darkwing: I also can't do the hardware one because I can't insert a CD while in the virtual machine and be certain I'm interacting properly with the Kubuntu beta. It would be easier to do some of this with more than one computer at my disposal. (: [04:18] ahhh, Ill get thsoe as well. :) [04:18] ScottK: That's cool. Hopefully I won't need to know how to do that for a while. (: [04:19] Darkwing: There are also two work items for xml files that don't exist - tips and... I can't remember what the other one is. [04:19] littlegirl: How do you want your name listed in the authers? [04:19] * ScottK hands Darkwing an 'o'. [04:19] Darkwing: No, that's okay. I'm not actually writing the files - just proofreading them and polishing them a bit. (: [04:19] ScottK: Yeah, I realized that... :) [04:19] * littlegirl laughs at Scott. [04:19] littlegirl: You can see bzr diff help for more information on how to do it. [04:19] littlegirl: That counts. Take credit where it's due. [04:20] ScottK: Looking... [04:20] littlegirl: Oh yes, you are helping TONS [04:20] Hmmm, bzr diff help gives me this: bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: help [04:21] Darkwing: I wish I had been able to get in on this sooner. The docs are not going to be ready for the freeze. That's a shame. [04:21] littlegirl: Don't worry... It always comes down to this. :D [04:21] Darkwing. It shouldn't. (: [04:21] At least content will be done. :) [04:22] Darkwing: If you want me to just go through the rest of them and check them for grammar, punctuation, wrapping, and missing or incorrect tags, I can do that probably pretty quickly, if I'm not checking for accuracy. [04:22] littlegirl: if you can do that I'll scan them all for accuracy. [04:22] What slowed me down was that development.xml file. That thing is HUGE, and there were a lot of "facts" that had to be checked, and links to be checked, versions to change, etc. [04:23] We'll knock this out tonight. :D [04:23] Darkwing: Okay, let me see what I can do. (: [04:23] Yeah... development.xml is crazy. [04:23] Darkwing: Did you say you wanted them all wrapped at column 80? [04:23] Aye [04:23] Darkwing. It's done. (: [04:23] XD [04:23] When you are finished. Let me know and keep pulling for updates. [04:24] I think I've pushed a couple updates [04:24] Okay, so I'm grabbing all the files I haven't yet marked as done one by one and doing my thing to them real quick? [04:24] Sweet. :) [04:25] Darkwing: Should I start with a fresh bzr init followed by bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs ? [04:25] Current revision is 265 [04:25] just pull it to update it. [04:25] I use the GUI so I don't confuse bzr and git. [04:25] Okay, I pulled and it says revision 265. [04:25] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=265&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 265 | Coolo: just a test BTW: I've created a tag on kdelibs: alpha-1-1, but I don't know, if it works [04:26] Yup, you are up to date. [04:26] Should I not do the ones that are tagged with Darkwing and jjesse? [04:26] Correct. [04:26] Okay. (: [04:26] I'll be reviewing all of them in the end anyway. [04:26] content wise. [04:26] before I send it off to translations. [04:28] Darkwing: Okay, these are the ones I haven't done yet that aren't labeled as belonging to someone else: http://paste.kde.org/444434/ [04:28] :D Go for it. [04:29] * Darkwing puts on Doctor Who and Dubstep [04:31] * littlegirl puts on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKRVI4V3ns [04:34] I notice that sometimes things like "internet" or "web" or "open source" are capitalized. Is there a preference? [04:34] None from me. [04:35] Lower case it is, then. (: [04:37] Darkwing: I love those two! [04:37] * jalcine_ wonders if we're lost long siblings, lol [04:38] hehehe [04:38] Who all is going to UDS I wonder... [04:39] jalcine_: You never know. :D [04:39] I'm trying to attend. [04:39] I'd have to drive across the continent, though. [04:39] Too far away for me. [04:39] Definitely going to buy like $200 worth of KDE gear, lol. [04:40] if only they had sweats. [04:40] jalcine_: where you buy KDE gear at? [04:40] I'm assuming they'd have it at UDS, lol. [04:40] * jalcine_ goes to Google it. [04:40] No... Just Ubuntu Gear. [04:40] Darkwing: Is this correct, or should I do something to it? Kickoff Application > Applications > Multimedia > [04:41] littlegirl: one moment. [04:42] What's this? [04:42] http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/04/get-your-hands-some-kde-gear [04:42] That blue shirt to the top right is not bad at all! [04:43] littlegirl: what application are you pointing to? [04:44] http://gearwear.spreadshirt.com/ for the US is still open :) [04:44] Darkwing: It's talking about K3b. I'm not asking if the content is accurate, but if that's how something like that should be written, with the > inside of the tags. (: [04:45] Nah, aren't you supposed to use > and < instead of brackets? [04:45] Good to know. (: [04:45] No... Use "Go to &menuk3b; " [04:45] And should those be in there or should that be written differently? [04:46] WAIT [04:46] o.o [04:46] * jalcine_ stops all activity. [04:46] Yeah... [04:46] If you use &menuk3b; it will add that in. [04:46] heh [04:47] Ordering now \o/ http://gearwear.spreadshirt.com/be-free-vertical-A4473170 [04:48] Darkwing: Perfect. (: [04:48] littlegirl: In /libs/kde-menus_C.ext there is a list of menu shortcuts. [04:48] littlegirl: In /libs/kde-menu-C.ext rather [04:49] jalcine_: I think I'm going to be ordering some of these too :D [04:49] Do it before the 2nd week of April! lol [04:50] Magic, Open Your World and Be Free Vertical. [04:50] Wish there were more designs, though. There's a lot to pick them. [04:51] Heh, you could even have shirts for your favorite apps! [04:51] Darkwing: Good to know, thanks. (: [04:51] littlegirl: Aye [04:55] jalcine_: care for a PM? [04:55] * jalcine_ hopes he's not in trouble [04:55] sure [05:09] Darkwing: I just pushed. So to be sure I'm doing things right, do I wait for you to approve before pulling and starting on the next one, or just go to it? [05:09] You set for a merge request? [05:09] Darkwing: Already did it. (: [05:10] Keep moving, I'll wait to merge them till there is a few up and running. [05:10] Darkwing. Okay. (: === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [07:41] to kubuntu devs => http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/kubuntu-should-it-change-name/ especially to Riddell [07:44] Peace-: you start with "to get real KDE experience, don't use Kubuntu" and then you list things that should be replaced with non-KDE alternatives? (: [07:45] Tm_T: that is what you can read on #kde channel [07:46] Tm_T: kubuntu doesn't work \ is not set well \ sucks \ etc etc [07:46] well, to fix that, you don't replaces KDE components with non-KDE components (: [07:46] yes [07:46] but meh, #kde is full of people who flame [07:46] infact like i have written down [07:46] Tm_T: we can speak of #kde and #kubutnu [07:46] it's the same [07:47] even in #ubuntu-it [07:47] in my experience they're not the same [07:47] Tm_T: so you use rekonq? [07:47] let me know [07:47] anyway, Kubuntu is and should always be KDE distro [07:47] Peace-: I use Konqueror, Firefox, Chromium, Lynx, Links2, Opera ... [07:48] Tm_T: kubutnu should work out of the box at least of network and browse [07:48] and yes, I do use Kmail2, semantic desktop [07:48] Peace-: it works for network out of the box? [07:48] Tm_T: so rekonq no? [07:48] Peace-: no, no rekonq, because I like KHTML (: [07:48] Tm_T: but you have read all the stuff? [07:48] or not [07:48] I have read all the what stuff exactly? [07:49] Tm_T: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/network-management-disabled-after-suspend-to-ram-kubuntu-10-04/ [07:49] I did read that, yes [07:49] wtf a lots of time with that bug [07:49] is it fixed now? [07:49] and did it affect only Kubuntu? [07:50] the point is what you want do with kubuntu ? [07:50] do some pet or something that work [07:50] I want it to be the best KDE distro [07:50] well it's not [07:50] the best [07:50] it's best KDE distro [07:50] who can tell this ? [07:50] you me ? [07:51] or the users [07:51] I can tell my opinion, you can tell your opinion ... everyone can tell their opinion [07:51] I've heard people saying it's best, and saying it's not best [07:51] ok so make a poll [07:51] you will see [07:51] if rekonq is a right browser or nto [07:51] and? making internet poll is not a way to get definite answers [07:51] not if it makes sense [07:52] Tm_T: if you don't do this kubutnu will be alwasy not successful [07:52] will be only a pet [07:52] it's not only a pet now [07:52] yes, Kubuntu is not perfect [07:53] there's lots things to improve, and you do manage to raise many of them [07:53] I just disagree on how dramatic the situation is, and how to fix it [07:53] Tm_T: well i have spoken with a lots of people [07:54] and rekonq is a pain in the ass i am pretty sure of this [07:54] and I find exaggeration or dramatization harmful and unconstructive most of the time [07:54] Peace-: indeed it is [07:54] well it's my blog [07:54] it's not kde news [07:54] or something like that [07:55] I know, and I'm not saying you cannot write how you feel in your blog (: [07:55] i have written it just to answer to riddell because i can't post on his post [07:55] xD [07:55] yeah [07:56] my point of view it's that kubuntu should let user to browse without problems [07:57] the other points are superficial [07:57] like i have said [07:59] indeed, shame there's no single browser that works for all [07:59] having a decent default is a good start [08:00] about office suite, currently to me Calligra seems to work better than LibreOffice for some reason [08:01] latter tends to crash in time to time [08:01] For me krita is better than gimp [08:01] i did my jobs on krita for example [08:01] with some problems but i did [08:03] Peace-: to tell you the truth I only can see the problem with kffmpegthumbnailer, the others work quite good for me [08:03] oh, I miss those times when we tried to hunt those crashes with Krita [08:07] Tm_T: let me joke , here there was\is prostitution problem , and the church doesn't want legalize prostitution but fight against it .there is No way to win it, from human birth there is prostitution instead to regolarize it they want fight and they loose every year. this to say kde centric only is not to work [08:09] bulldog98: ok do a poll , use the kubutnu community [08:09] morning [08:09] to see [08:09] Riddell: moin [08:09] Riddell: hola Riddell [08:10] anything interesting happen while I was sleeping? [08:11] Riddell: considering it's saturday already... [08:11] * Tm_T hides [08:12] jings Finland really is a few timezones ahead [08:12] also, happy thursday to all [08:13] Peace-: no time for a poll [08:15] so... you don't know [08:18] we don't know what? (: [08:21] the right path to gain users and so support [08:23] btw but don’t trust me , trust the community do a poll , try to change point of view [08:25] Peace-: I ment, that I don’t have the time to organise a poll right now (only on next monday, which is a little bit late), so in fact I was asking you to setup a poll [08:27] mm i could try on ubuntu forum === jalcine_ is now known as Guest61506 [09:20] ok i did === Guest61506 is now known as JackyAlcine [09:23] Riddell: Tm_T Riddell http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1944942 [09:24] Peace-: Jonathan twice? [09:24] :D [09:25] wow, I got the password right at first try [09:25] ...I haven't used ubuntu forums since... 2007? [09:25] indeed [09:25] Tm_T: xD [09:26] and we should use uzbl (yes, kidding) [09:27] Ubuntu forums? [09:28] JackyAlcine: ? [09:28] O.o === JackyAlcine is now known as jalcine === jalcine is now known as Guest81870 [09:36] "Main reason I don't use it in KDE is in fact Chromium's sync feature, otherwise it would be Rekonq." what's the sync feature? [09:36] does it sync bookmarks to google? [09:36] that, yes [09:36] anything else? [09:36] so you can have same bookmarks on every chrome you use [09:37] history, sessions(?) passwords(?) settings(?) [09:37] nifty but scary as anything if you care about privacy [09:37] I don't remember if it did sessions and passwords, but some of the settings atleast [09:37] Riddell: Firefox have similar support too [09:37] that sort of issue is exactly what owncloud is for [09:37] just needs to be integrated ("just") [09:38] ye [09:43] Riddell: ftp work already with rekonq [09:44] Riddell: Owncloud and/or Ubuntu One [09:44] bulldog98: to sync things to owncloud? [09:44] Riddell: I think they said something like that [09:44] ok the sync stuff could be maybe doen [09:44] just ask in #rekonq [09:44] but crash all the time? [09:44] Peace-: what version do you use? [09:45] which is on kubuntu [09:45] Peace-: outdated [09:45] so ... [09:45] * Riddell asks [09:45] its not an answer [09:45] Peace-: crashes can be fixed [09:45] a developer on rekonq would do wonders [09:45] 12.04 must have rekonq that doesn't crahs on gmail youtube bank [09:46] can you achieve that? [09:46] Peace-: could you try if 0.9 crashes there? [09:46] can a unknown browser be supported on every bank out there? [09:46] i don't speak about me only [09:46] the browser supports everything I've used it for except when the website decides it doesn't [09:46] Peace-: if safari is supported, it should work with rekonq, too [09:46] Peace-: none of browsers (except perhaps IE) is supported by all banks out there [09:47] Tm_T++ [09:47] I see really ridiculous issues with web banks just because [09:47] and no we won't get it crash free for 12.04 but if it gets a QA developer that'll be easy to do [09:48] Tm_T: firefox has always worked [09:49] Peace-: as said I don’t have problems with my bank website and it’s a very small bank [09:49] they support firefox chromium ie opera [09:50] and safari of course [09:50] rekonq says your browser is not supported [09:50] xD [09:50] Peace-: just tell rekonq to emulate safari then [09:50] but it seems it's my personal point of view [09:50] but it's not [09:50] bulldog98: that trick is not an answer [09:51] Peace-: so that's a problem with your bank [09:51] my bank it's an example [09:51] hotmail also doesn't support chrome, chrome needs to fake being safari for that [09:51] rekonq has not the big support like others [09:52] no it doesn't, but that's not our fault it's theirs [09:52] so... if it's rekonq fault ... [09:52] and as I say can be worked around same as all the "big" browsers have to do for websites that think they don't support those browsers [09:52] Riddell: just stay on kubuntu channel [09:53] do you know sites that it's rekonq's fault they don't work? [09:53] and answer at the tons of people that say rekonq sucks [09:53] yes it does, it crashes and websites think they don't support it [09:53] they're both fixable [09:53] I'm not ready to give up on KDE [09:53] Riddell: ok so i have to work to get the job done? [09:54] Riddell: give up? [09:54] who give up [09:54] s [09:54] give up and switch to a non-KDE browser [09:54] it's 5 year that you fail [09:54] it's 16 actually [09:54] what is the result of a pure kde distro ? [09:54] the world's largest linux deployment? [09:54] Peace-: Firefox hasn't always worked on every bank [09:55] Tm_T: we are speaking of % [09:55] Peace-: show me statistics (: [09:55] Tm_T: ok try to get them searchin on the kubuntu logs [09:56] rekonq problem [09:56] and firefox problem [09:56] (remove firefox looks bad gtk-oxygen stuff) [09:57] Peace-: that doesn't give the whole situation [09:57] omg [09:57] two or three irc channels isn't the whole situation [09:57] you are trying to attack me [09:57] rekonq has more problems that's clear, but they're casued by not enough people using rekonq [09:57] but it doesn't make sense [09:57] Peace-: I try to do what? (: [09:57] we will see the poll [09:58] Riddell: ok so let people to test it , IF THEY WANT [09:58] the poll doesn't take a view of helping and promoting KDE which I do [09:58] ^ [09:58] Riddell: promoting kubuntu will promoting kde [09:58] only if we ship KDE :) [09:58] nope [09:58] yep [09:58] good distro [09:58] I find it very important we stay as KDE distro, that has separated us from other distros out there [09:59] else we'll be just like suse or fedora [09:59] Tm_T: you are already sepatated [09:59] how? [09:59] because you are ubuntu kerneel and community + kde stuff [09:59] but you're arguing we drop some KDE stuff [09:59] you have apt-get [09:59] it's not dropping [09:59] yes it is [10:00] it's try to make users happier [10:00] we are either KDE or mix, there's no "KDE with some replacements" (: [10:00] by dropping KDE bits, that's a fine argument to take and it's why suse and fedora do that happily [10:00] yes but fedora sucks with the kernel ultra instable [10:00] * Tm_T is happy that Calligra is maturing nicely [10:01] and suse has rpm and weird repo system [10:02] agateau: oh you've done qt creator bits? [10:02] kubuntu has : apt , great community , the philosophy , ubutnu kernel , great repo system with ppa from kubuntu team [10:02] Riddell: yup [10:02]