[02:01] <jalcine_> Hey all! I'm curious to see if anyone would like to hack on a AI project dealing with speech recognition for Linux. The code's at https://github.com/spchcntrl/speechcontrol. Thanks for forking!
[02:13] <yue> Hello
[02:14] <Darkwing> GARG!
[02:14] <Darkwing> I hate sick families
[02:14] <Darkwing> jjesse: ping
[02:14] <Darkwing> please be there
[02:15] <jalcine> o.O
[02:16] <Darkwing> Oi! :)
[02:16]  * Darkwing sighs
[02:17] <Darkwing> Hey ScottK
[02:17] <yue> Since Kubuntu now is a community distro, how about make the release cycle in sync with kde release cycle?
[02:18] <jalcine> That is a good idea.
[02:18] <jalcine> But it still uses Ubuntu.
[02:18] <jalcine> It'd be segmented in releases, no?
[02:18] <ScottK> Heya Darkwing.
[02:18] <Darkwing> ScottK: How have you been?
[02:19] <ScottK> Busy.
[02:19] <Darkwing> I hear that.
[02:19] <Darkwing> job shopping/hunting is kicking my arse.
[02:19] <yue> we can incorporate ppa repos in the release
[02:19] <jalcine> job shopping! I like the ring of that.
[02:19] <Darkwing> I've turned it into a full time prospect. Still no luck.
[02:20] <ScottK> That can be tough.
[02:21] <Darkwing> Yeah... I'm getting worn out.
[02:24] <Darkwing> Weee, thankfully there were not many major changes in the docs
[03:07] <Darkwing> jjesse: ping
[03:16] <Darkwing> Oh. My. God.
[03:17] <Darkwing> Diff against target:	2034 lines (+1340/-385) 3 files modified
[03:30] <ScottK> Darkwing: littlegirl was on with questions earlier today.  You might want to fire off an email (if you have an address)
[03:30] <Darkwing> ScottK: Yup. I've talked to her. Expecting her at some point tonight.
[03:30] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[03:32] <Darkwing> She was going through and cleaning up the coding. 
[03:32] <Darkwing> plus grammer stuff.
[03:35] <ScottK> Grammar is good.  We should have some.
[03:35] <Darkwing> Yup.
[03:36] <Darkwing> I'm stilling mulling the idea of going away from the docs and building the HTML5 Welcome Center for 12.10
[03:36] <Darkwing> I mean, between KDE, Ubuntu help, LibreOffice and others, we are duplicating efforts.
[03:37] <ScottK> We should ship a browser than can do HTML5 first.
[03:37] <Darkwing> For what I'm doing we have everything we need.
[03:37] <Darkwing> I had a prrof at the last UDS.
[03:37] <ScottK> OK
[03:37] <Darkwing> I'll redo it for UDS and demo it.
[03:37] <Darkwing> Well, demo the idea.
[03:38] <Darkwing> It'll end up being a widget that they can do with what they will but, it will be there on the first startup like we have the Desktop Folder currently.
[03:39] <ScottK> Riddell is not a fan of stuff that runs on first run.
[03:39] <ScottK> You've been warned.
[03:39] <Darkwing> He was on board with this idea :D 
[03:39] <Darkwing> At least at the last UDS he was.
[03:39] <Darkwing> Because of how it was done.
[03:40] <Darkwing> But, because there is translations within qtwebkit it wont have to be translated. It will have the ability to have a translation selection on the fly.
[03:40] <Darkwing> Well, I don't know if it's within qtwebkit or, if it's an addon for translations.
[03:41] <Darkwing> I know it can be done with a smaller footprint than the kubuntu-docs package with translations.
[03:46] <ScottK> Riddell: 	calligra-l10n-sk looks like an empty pacakge.  I'm going to accept anyway, but FYI.
[04:00] <Darkwing> Yay!
[04:00] <littlegirl> Heh, I saw your email. (:
[04:00] <Darkwing> I knew you would show up soonish.
[04:00] <Darkwing> :)
[04:00] <littlegirl> I'm a night owl. (:
[04:00] <Darkwing> Okay, what changes you make in those merge requests with 1.5K+ changes? :P:P
[04:01] <Darkwing> and have you validated the XML yet? :D
[04:01] <littlegirl> All of the XML is validated, and the changes are listed in the comments. (:
[04:01] <littlegirl> The reason that last one was huge was apparently that it pushed all of my commits instead of just the most recent one. The latest one was photos.xml.  (:
[04:02] <littlegirl> If it's easier, I can send you a zipped up copy of the branch and you can run a diff to see my changes to the individual documents.
[04:02] <Darkwing> Okay, Let me get those merged in. I have not opened it just yet... have you updated the todo list?
[04:02] <littlegirl> Yep!
[04:02] <Darkwing> Okay good.
[04:03] <Darkwing> Gimme a min.
[04:03] <littlegirl> Every time I worked on one I updated it to say INPROGRESS and every time I finished one I changed it to DONE.
[04:04] <littlegirl> But there are a couple that aren't technically truly done, so I added some comments to your whiteboard to let you know what still needs to be done on those.
[04:04] <Darkwing> You are awesome. :)
[04:04] <littlegirl> LOL
[04:04] <littlegirl> I feel like I'm getting it wrong because the pushes are not what I'm expecting. I would rather push only what I had just changed, but Riddell told me if I do the branch command each time it should do that.
[04:06] <littlegirl> I wish you guys used SVN - then I'd be right at home. (:
[04:10] <ScottK> littlegirl: If you like svn, you can do bzr co instead of bzr branch and it will work ~just like svn.
[04:11] <littlegirl> ScottK: Then how do I send my commit to Launchpad?
[04:11] <ScottK> littlegirl: bzr ci (just like you'd do svn ci)
[04:11] <ScottK> If you do it that way, there's no local commit.  It's a commit to the remote just like in svn.
[04:11] <littlegirl> ScottK: Hmmm, interesting. I didn't realize I could do that. (:
[04:12] <littlegirl> ScottK: Oh, I'm not allowed to do that yet. (:
[04:12] <ScottK> That's a problem.
[04:12] <ScottK> Right, you'd have to have commit access to the bzr repo on LP.
[04:12] <ScottK> I didn't think of that.
[04:13] <littlegirl> But it's good to know that I can do that in future, because I really like SVN. (:
[04:13]  * littlegirl has what seems like billions of personal SVN repos on her computer.
[04:14] <ScottK> One project I consult for ended up using bzr because there was a split between people that liked svn and people that liked git.  bzr can serve both reasonably well.
[04:14] <littlegirl> It does seem pretty cool that it accepts SVN commands. (:
[04:15] <ScottK> littlegirl: If you want to just get the last commit, you can use "bzr diff -c -1".
[04:15] <Darkwing> Okay, those are done.
[04:16] <Darkwing> littlegirl: If you want to help me review content on what is left?
[04:16] <littlegirl> ScottK: What, exactly, does that do?
[04:16] <ScottK> That gives you a diff with the changes from the last commit you did (current minus 1)
[04:16] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Yeah, there are some I can't do - at least not if they require checking content for accuracy - like, for instance, I don't have wireless access so I couldn't test anything that required that.
[04:17] <Darkwing> Those should be the same... I'll check those.
[04:17] <littlegirl> ScottK: Oh, cool. I just go into the directory where the file is and do bzr diff and it shows me the difference between the xml file in that directory and the workingcopy original. (:
[04:18] <ScottK> You can feed diff different parameters based on how far back you want to go.
[04:18] <littlegirl> Darkwing: I also can't do the hardware one because I can't insert a CD while in the virtual machine and be certain I'm interacting properly with the Kubuntu beta. It would be easier to do some of this with more than one computer at my disposal. (:
[04:18] <Darkwing> ahhh, Ill get thsoe as well. :)
[04:18] <littlegirl> ScottK: That's cool. Hopefully I won't need to know how to do that for a while. (:
[04:19] <littlegirl> Darkwing: There are also two work items for xml files that don't exist - tips and... I can't remember what the other one is.
[04:19] <Darkwing> littlegirl: How do you want your name listed in the authers?
[04:19]  * ScottK hands Darkwing an 'o'.
[04:19] <littlegirl> Darkwing: No, that's okay. I'm not actually writing the files - just proofreading them and polishing them a bit. (:
[04:19] <Darkwing> ScottK: Yeah, I realized that... :)
[04:19]  * littlegirl laughs at Scott.
[04:19] <ScottK> littlegirl: You can see bzr diff help for more information on how to do it.
[04:19] <ScottK> littlegirl: That counts.  Take credit where it's due.
[04:20] <littlegirl> ScottK: Looking...
[04:20] <Darkwing> littlegirl: Oh yes, you are helping TONS
[04:20] <littlegirl> Hmmm, bzr diff help gives me this: bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: help
[04:21] <littlegirl> Darkwing: I wish I had been able to get in on this sooner. The docs are not going to be ready for the freeze. That's a shame.
[04:21] <Darkwing> littlegirl: Don't worry... It always comes down to this. :D
[04:21] <littlegirl> Darkwing. It shouldn't. (:
[04:21] <Darkwing> At least content will be done. :)
[04:22] <littlegirl> Darkwing: If you want me to just go through the rest of them and check them for grammar, punctuation, wrapping, and missing or incorrect tags, I can do that probably pretty quickly, if I'm not checking for accuracy.
[04:22] <Darkwing> littlegirl: if you can do that I'll scan them all for accuracy.
[04:22] <littlegirl> What slowed me down was that development.xml file. That thing is HUGE, and there were a lot of "facts" that had to be checked, and links to be checked, versions to change, etc.
[04:23] <Darkwing> We'll knock this out tonight. :D
[04:23] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Okay, let me see what I can do. (:
[04:23] <Darkwing> Yeah... development.xml is crazy.
[04:23] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Did you say you wanted them all wrapped at column 80?
[04:23] <Darkwing> Aye
[04:23] <littlegirl> Darkwing. It's done. (:
[04:23] <Darkwing> XD
[04:23] <Darkwing> When you are finished. Let me know and keep pulling for updates.
[04:24] <Darkwing> I think I've pushed a couple updates 
[04:24] <littlegirl> Okay, so I'm grabbing all the files I haven't yet marked as done one by one and doing my thing to them real quick?
[04:24] <Darkwing> Sweet. :)
[04:25] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Should I start with a fresh bzr init followed by bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs ?
[04:25] <Darkwing> Current revision is 265
[04:25] <Darkwing> just pull it to update it.
[04:25] <Darkwing> I use the GUI so I don't confuse bzr and git.
[04:25] <littlegirl> Okay, I pulled and it says revision 265.
[04:26] <Darkwing> Yup, you are up to date.
[04:26] <littlegirl> Should I not do the ones that are tagged with Darkwing and jjesse?
[04:26] <Darkwing> Correct.
[04:26] <littlegirl> Okay. (:
[04:26] <Darkwing> I'll be reviewing all of them in the end anyway.
[04:26] <Darkwing> content wise.
[04:26] <Darkwing> before I send it off to translations.
[04:28] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Okay, these are the ones I haven't done yet that aren't labeled as belonging to someone else: http://paste.kde.org/444434/
[04:28] <Darkwing> :D Go for it. 
[04:29]  * Darkwing puts on Doctor Who and Dubstep
[04:31]  * littlegirl puts on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKRVI4V3ns
[04:34] <littlegirl> I notice that sometimes things like "internet" or "web" or "open source" are capitalized. Is there a preference?
[04:34] <Darkwing> None from me.
[04:35] <littlegirl> Lower case it is, then. (:
[04:37] <jalcine_> Darkwing: I love those two!
[04:37]  * jalcine_ wonders if we're lost long siblings, lol
[04:38] <Darkwing> hehehe
[04:38] <Darkwing> Who all is going to UDS I wonder...
[04:39] <Darkwing> jalcine_: You never know. :D 
[04:39] <jalcine_> I'm trying to attend.
[04:39] <jalcine_> I'd have to drive across the continent, though.
[04:39] <littlegirl> Too far away for me.
[04:39] <jalcine_> Definitely going to buy like $200 worth of KDE gear, lol.
[04:40] <jalcine_> if only they had sweats.
[04:40] <Darkwing> jalcine_: where you buy KDE gear at?
[04:40] <jalcine_> I'm assuming they'd have it at UDS, lol.
[04:40]  * jalcine_ goes to Google it.
[04:40] <Darkwing> No... Just Ubuntu Gear.
[04:40] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Is this correct, or should I do something to it? <guilabel>Kickoff Application > Applications > Multimedia > </guilabel>
[04:41] <Darkwing> littlegirl: one moment.
[04:42] <jalcine_> What's this?
[04:42] <jalcine_> http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/04/get-your-hands-some-kde-gear
[04:42] <jalcine_> That blue shirt to the top right is not bad at all!
[04:43] <Darkwing> littlegirl: what application are you pointing to?
[04:44] <jalcine_> http://gearwear.spreadshirt.com/ for the US is still open :)
[04:44] <littlegirl> Darkwing: It's talking about K3b. I'm not asking if the content is accurate, but if that's how something like that should be written, with the > inside of the tags. (:
[04:45] <jalcine_> Nah, aren't you supposed to use &gt; and &lt; instead of brackets?
[04:45] <littlegirl> Good to know. (:
[04:45] <Darkwing> No... Use "Go to &menuk3b; "
[04:45] <littlegirl> And should those be in there or should that be written differently?
[04:46] <Darkwing> WAIT
[04:46] <jalcine_> o.o
[04:46]  * jalcine_ stops all activity.
[04:46] <Darkwing> Yeah...
[04:46] <Darkwing> If you use &menuk3b; it will add that in.
[04:46] <jalcine_> heh
[04:47] <jalcine_> Ordering now \o/ http://gearwear.spreadshirt.com/be-free-vertical-A4473170
[04:48] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Perfect. (:
[04:48] <Darkwing> littlegirl: In /libs/kde-menus_C.ext there is a list of menu shortcuts.
[04:48] <Darkwing> littlegirl: In /libs/kde-menu-C.ext rather
[04:49] <Darkwing> jalcine_: I think I'm going to be ordering some of these too :D
[04:49] <jalcine_> Do it before the 2nd week of April! lol
[04:50] <Darkwing> Magic, Open Your World and Be Free Vertical. 
[04:50] <jalcine_> Wish there were more designs, though. There's a lot to pick them.
[04:51] <jalcine_> Heh, you could even have shirts for your favorite apps!
[04:51] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Good to know, thanks. (:
[04:51] <Darkwing> littlegirl: Aye
[04:55] <Darkwing> jalcine_: care for a PM?
[04:55]  * jalcine_ hopes he's not in trouble
[04:55] <jalcine_> sure
[05:09] <littlegirl> Darkwing: I just pushed. So to be sure I'm doing things right, do I wait for you to approve before pulling and starting on the next one, or just go to it?
[05:09] <Darkwing> You set for a merge request?
[05:09] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Already did it. (:
[05:10] <Darkwing> Keep moving, I'll wait to merge them till there is a few up and running.
[05:10] <littlegirl> Darkwing. Okay. (:
[07:41] <Peace-> to kubuntu devs => http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/kubuntu-should-it-change-name/ especially to Riddell 
[07:44] <Tm_T> Peace-: you start with "to get real KDE experience, don't use Kubuntu" and then you list things that should be replaced with non-KDE alternatives? (:
[07:45] <Peace-> Tm_T: that is what you can read on #kde channel 
[07:46] <Peace-> Tm_T: kubuntu doesn't work \ is not set well \ sucks \ etc etc 
[07:46] <Tm_T> well, to fix that, you don't replaces KDE components with non-KDE components (:
[07:46] <Peace-> yes 
[07:46] <Tm_T> but meh, #kde is full of people who flame
[07:46] <Peace-> infact like i have written down 
[07:46] <Peace-> Tm_T: we can speak of #kde and #kubutnu
[07:46] <Peace-> it's the same
[07:47] <Peace-> even in #ubuntu-it 
[07:47] <Tm_T> in my experience they're not the same
[07:47] <Peace-> Tm_T: so you use rekonq?
[07:47] <Peace-> let me know
[07:47] <Tm_T> anyway, Kubuntu is and should always be KDE distro
[07:47] <Tm_T> Peace-: I use Konqueror, Firefox, Chromium, Lynx, Links2, Opera ...
[07:48] <Peace-> Tm_T: kubutnu should work out of the box at least of network and browse
[07:48] <Tm_T> and yes, I do use Kmail2, semantic desktop
[07:48] <Tm_T> Peace-: it works for network out of the box?
[07:48] <Peace-> Tm_T: so rekonq no?
[07:48] <Tm_T> Peace-: no, no rekonq, because I like KHTML (:
[07:48] <Peace-> Tm_T: but you have read all the stuff?
[07:48] <Peace-> or not
[07:48] <Tm_T> I have read all the what stuff exactly?
[07:49] <Peace-> Tm_T: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/05/15/network-management-disabled-after-suspend-to-ram-kubuntu-10-04/
[07:49] <Tm_T> I did read that, yes
[07:49] <Peace-> wtf a lots of time with that bug
[07:49] <Tm_T> is it fixed now?
[07:49] <Tm_T> and did it affect only Kubuntu?
[07:50] <Peace-> the point is what you want do with kubuntu ?
[07:50] <Peace-> do some pet or something that work
[07:50] <Tm_T> I want it to be the best KDE distro
[07:50] <Peace-> well it's not 
[07:50] <Peace-> the best
[07:50] <Tm_T> it's best KDE distro
[07:50] <Peace-> who can tell this ?
[07:50] <Peace-> you me ?
[07:51] <Peace-> or the users
[07:51] <Tm_T> I can tell my opinion, you can tell your opinion ... everyone can tell their opinion
[07:51] <Tm_T> I've heard people saying it's best, and saying it's not best
[07:51] <Peace-> ok so make a poll 
[07:51] <Peace-> you will see 
[07:51] <Peace-> if rekonq is a right browser or nto
[07:51] <Tm_T> and? making internet poll is not a way to get definite answers
[07:51] <Peace-> not if it makes sense
[07:52] <Peace-> Tm_T: if you don't do this kubutnu will be alwasy not successful 
[07:52] <Peace-> will be only a pet
[07:52] <Tm_T> it's not only a pet now
[07:52] <Tm_T> yes, Kubuntu is not perfect
[07:53] <Tm_T> there's lots things to improve, and you do manage to raise many of them
[07:53] <Tm_T> I just disagree on how dramatic the situation is, and how to fix it
[07:53] <Peace-> Tm_T: well i have spoken with a lots of people 
[07:54] <Peace-> and rekonq is a pain in the ass i am pretty sure of this
[07:54] <Tm_T> and I find exaggeration or dramatization harmful and unconstructive most of the time
[07:54] <Tm_T> Peace-: indeed it is
[07:54] <Peace-> well it's my blog 
[07:54] <Peace-> it's not kde news 
[07:54] <Peace-> or something like that
[07:55] <Tm_T> I know, and I'm not saying you cannot write how you feel in your blog (:
[07:55] <Peace-> i have written it just to answer to riddell because i can't post on his post 
[07:55] <Peace-> xD
[07:55] <Tm_T> yeah
[07:56] <Peace-> my point of view it's that kubuntu should let user to browse without problems 
[07:57] <Peace-> the other points are superficial 
[07:57] <Peace-> like i have said
[07:59] <Tm_T> indeed, shame there's no single browser that works for all
[07:59] <Tm_T> having a decent default is a good start
[08:00] <Tm_T> about office suite, currently to me Calligra seems to work better than LibreOffice for some reason
[08:01] <Tm_T> latter tends to crash in time to time
[08:01] <Peace-> For me krita is better than gimp
[08:01] <Peace-> i did my jobs on krita for example
[08:01] <Peace-> with some problems but i did
[08:03] <bulldog98> Peace-: to tell you the truth I only can see the problem with kffmpegthumbnailer, the others work quite good for me
[08:03] <Tm_T> oh, I miss those times when we tried to hunt those crashes with Krita
[08:07] <Peace-> Tm_T: let me joke , here there was\is prostitution problem , and the church doesn't want legalize prostitution but fight against it .there is  No way to win it,   from  human birth there is prostitution instead to regolarize it they want fight and they loose every year. this to say kde centric only is not to work 
[08:09] <Peace-> bulldog98: ok do a poll , use the kubutnu community 
[08:09] <Riddell> morning
[08:09] <Peace-> to see 
[08:09] <bulldog98> Riddell: moin
[08:09] <Peace-> Riddell: hola Riddell
[08:10] <Riddell> anything interesting happen while I was sleeping?
[08:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: considering it's saturday already...
[08:11]  * Tm_T hides
[08:12] <Riddell> jings Finland really is a few timezones ahead 
[08:12] <Tm_T> also, happy thursday to all
[08:13] <bulldog98> Peace-: no time for a poll
[08:15] <Peace-> so... you don't know
[08:18] <Tm_T> we don't know what? (:
[08:21] <Peace-> the right path to gain users and so support
[08:23] <Peace-> btw but don’t trust me , trust the community do a poll , try to change point of view
[08:25] <bulldog98> Peace-: I ment, that I don’t have the time to organise a poll right now (only on next monday, which is a little bit late), so in fact I was asking you to setup a poll
[08:27] <Peace-> mm i could try on ubuntu forum 
[09:20] <Peace-> ok i did
[09:23] <Peace-> Riddell: Tm_T Riddell http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1944942
[09:24] <Tm_T> Peace-: Jonathan twice?
[09:24] <Peace-> :D
[09:25] <Tm_T> wow, I got the password right at first try
[09:25] <Tm_T> ...I haven't used ubuntu forums since... 2007?
[09:25] <Tm_T> indeed
[09:25] <Peace-> Tm_T: xD
[09:26] <Tm_T> and we should use uzbl (yes, kidding)
[09:27] <JackyAlcine> Ubuntu forums?
[09:28] <Peace-> JackyAlcine: ?
[09:28] <JackyAlcine> O.o
[09:36] <Riddell> "Main reason I don't use it in KDE is in fact Chromium's sync feature, otherwise it would be Rekonq." what's the sync feature?
[09:36] <Riddell> does it sync bookmarks to google?
[09:36] <Tm_T> that, yes
[09:36] <Riddell> anything else?
[09:36] <Tm_T> so you can have same bookmarks on every chrome you use
[09:37] <Tm_T> history, sessions(?) passwords(?) settings(?)
[09:37] <Riddell> nifty but scary as anything if you care about privacy
[09:37] <Tm_T> I don't remember if it did sessions and passwords, but some of the settings atleast
[09:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: Firefox have similar support too
[09:37] <Riddell> that sort of issue is exactly what owncloud is for
[09:37] <Riddell> just needs to be integrated ("just")
[09:38] <Tm_T> ye
[09:43] <bulldog98> Riddell: ftp work already with rekonq
[09:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: Owncloud and/or Ubuntu One
[09:44] <Riddell> bulldog98: to sync things to owncloud?
[09:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: I think they said something like that
[09:44] <Peace-> ok the sync stuff could be maybe doen
[09:44] <bulldog98> just ask in #rekonq
[09:44] <Peace-> but crash all the time?
[09:44] <bulldog98> Peace-: what version do you use?
[09:45] <Peace-> which is on kubuntu 
[09:45] <bulldog98> Peace-: outdated
[09:45] <Peace-> so ...
[09:45]  * Riddell asks
[09:45] <Peace-> its not an answer
[09:45] <Riddell> Peace-: crashes can be fixed
[09:45] <Riddell> a developer on rekonq would do wonders
[09:45] <Peace-> 12.04 must have rekonq that doesn't crahs on gmail youtube bank 
[09:46] <Peace-> can you achieve that?
[09:46] <bulldog98> Peace-: could you try if 0.9 crashes there?
[09:46] <Peace-> can a unknown browser be supported on every bank out there?
[09:46] <Peace-> i don't speak about me only
[09:46] <Riddell> the browser supports everything I've used it for except when the website decides it doesn't
[09:46] <bulldog98> Peace-: if safari is supported, it should work with rekonq, too
[09:46] <Tm_T> Peace-: none of browsers (except perhaps IE) is supported by all banks out there
[09:47] <Riddell> Tm_T++
[09:47] <Tm_T> I see really ridiculous issues with web banks just because
[09:47] <Riddell> and no we won't get it crash free for 12.04 but if it gets a QA developer that'll be easy to do
[09:48] <Peace-> Tm_T: firefox has always worked 
[09:49] <bulldog98> Peace-: as said I don’t have problems with my bank website and it’s a very small bank
[09:49] <Peace-> they support firefox chromium ie opera
[09:50] <Peace-> and safari of course
[09:50] <Peace-> rekonq says your browser is not supported
[09:50] <Peace-> xD
[09:50] <bulldog98> Peace-: just tell rekonq to emulate safari then
[09:50] <Peace-> but it seems it's my personal point of view
[09:50] <Peace-> but it's not
[09:50] <Peace-> bulldog98: that trick is not an answer
[09:51] <Riddell> Peace-: so that's a problem with your bank
[09:51] <Peace-> my bank it's an example
[09:51] <Riddell> hotmail also doesn't support chrome, chrome needs to fake being safari for that
[09:51] <Peace-> rekonq has not the big support like others
[09:52] <Riddell> no it doesn't, but that's not our fault it's theirs
[09:52] <Peace-> so... if it's rekonq fault ...
[09:52] <Riddell> and as I say can be worked around same as all the "big" browsers have to do for websites that think they don't support those browsers
[09:52] <Peace-> Riddell: just stay on kubuntu channel
[09:53] <Riddell> do you know sites that it's rekonq's fault they don't work?
[09:53] <Peace-> and answer at the tons of people that say rekonq sucks
[09:53] <Riddell> yes it does, it crashes and websites think they don't support it
[09:53] <Riddell> they're both fixable
[09:53] <Riddell> I'm not ready to give up on KDE
[09:53] <Peace-> Riddell: ok so i have to work to get the job done?
[09:54] <Peace-> Riddell: give up?
[09:54] <Peace-> who give up 
[09:54] <Peace-> s
[09:54] <Riddell> give up and switch to a non-KDE browser
[09:54] <Peace-> it's 5 year that you fail
[09:54] <Riddell> it's 16 actually
[09:54] <Peace-> what is the result of a pure kde distro ?
[09:54] <Riddell> the world's largest linux deployment?
[09:54] <Tm_T> Peace-: Firefox hasn't always worked on every bank
[09:55] <Peace-> Tm_T: we are speaking of %
[09:55] <Tm_T> Peace-: show me statistics (:
[09:55] <Peace-> Tm_T: ok try to get them searchin on the kubuntu logs
[09:56] <Peace-> rekonq problem
[09:56] <Peace-> and firefox problem
[09:56] <Peace-> (remove firefox looks bad gtk-oxygen stuff)
[09:57] <Tm_T> Peace-: that doesn't give the whole situation
[09:57] <Peace-> omg 
[09:57] <Tm_T> two or three irc channels isn't the whole situation
[09:57] <Peace-> you are trying to attack me 
[09:57] <Riddell> rekonq has more problems that's clear, but they're casued by not enough people using rekonq
[09:57] <Peace-> but it doesn't make sense
[09:57] <Tm_T> Peace-: I try to do what? (:
[09:57] <Peace-> we will see the poll
[09:58] <Peace-> Riddell: ok so let people to test it , IF THEY WANT
[09:58] <Riddell> the poll doesn't take a view of helping and promoting KDE which I do
[09:58] <Tm_T> ^
[09:58] <Peace-> Riddell: promoting kubuntu will promoting kde
[09:58] <Riddell> only if we ship KDE :)
[09:58] <Peace-> nope
[09:58] <Riddell> yep
[09:58] <Peace-> good distro
[09:58] <Tm_T> I find it very important we stay as KDE distro, that has separated us from other distros out there
[09:59] <Riddell> else we'll be just like suse or fedora
[09:59] <Peace-> Tm_T: you are already sepatated 
[09:59] <Riddell> how?
[09:59] <Peace-> because you are ubuntu kerneel and community + kde stuff
[09:59] <Riddell> but you're arguing we drop some KDE stuff
[09:59] <Peace-> you have apt-get 
[09:59] <Peace-> it's not dropping
[09:59] <Riddell> yes it is
[10:00] <Peace-> it's try to make users happier
[10:00] <Tm_T> we are either KDE or mix, there's no "KDE with some replacements" (:
[10:00] <Riddell> by dropping KDE bits, that's a fine argument to take and it's why suse and fedora do that happily
[10:00] <Peace-> yes but fedora sucks with the kernel ultra instable
[10:00]  * Tm_T is happy that Calligra is maturing nicely
[10:01] <Peace-> and suse has rpm and weird repo system
[10:02] <Riddell> agateau: oh you've done qt creator bits?
[10:02] <Peace-> kubuntu has : apt , great community , the philosophy , ubutnu kernel , great repo system with ppa from kubuntu team
[10:02] <agateau> Riddell: yup
[10:02] <Peace-> that is what separate kubutnu from the otghers
[10:02] <agateau> Riddell: it's even upstreamed! :)
[10:02] <Riddell> agateau: lovely, what did you do?
[10:03] <agateau> Riddell: nothing very spectacular: replaced "bzr clone" with "bzr branch",
[10:03] <Riddell> :)
[10:03] <Riddell> agateau: worth a blog but
[10:03] <agateau> Riddell: Fixed log view so that only real revision numbers are clickable,
[10:04] <agateau> Riddell: and fixed cursor in log view to come back to an arrow after hovering a revno (this one is not specific to bzr)
[10:05] <agateau> Riddell: it's working reasonably well, maybe you can ditch emacs now :)
[10:05] <Riddell> agateau: ach I only use emacs on the command line, I'm a kate guy now for coding :)
[10:06] <agateau> Riddell: oh ok, won't ask you to switch from a kde app to a qt app then :)
[10:06]  * agateau quietly goes back to his gvim window
[10:07] <Riddell> agateau: so qtcreator has that patch in our archive now as well as upstream?
[10:08] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[10:08] <bulldog98> agateau: you know that kate has a vim mode?
[10:08] <agateau> bulldog98: I do know, but it does not support vim plugins, does it?
[10:09] <bulldog98> agateau: don’t know
[10:09] <agateau> from time to time I switch editors,
[10:09] <bulldog98> but you could code it
[10:09] <agateau> I like kdevelop for C++
[10:09] <bulldog98> +1
[10:09] <agateau> bulldog98: I can't code it: ENOTIME error :)
[10:10] <Riddell> I know vim keys are hardcoded into the minds of vim users but I can't believe anyone can't use normal GUI keys as well, Home and End and control-s are hardly obscure key shortcuts to use
[10:10] <bulldog98> agateau: ok that is the only reason that can be given :)
[10:10] <agateau> :)
[10:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: you can use them, but it’s a longer way to reach them
[10:11] <Riddell> those vim users really are hard core :)
[10:11] <bulldog98> Riddell: it’s one of the reasons for using http://neo-layout.org
[10:12] <Riddell> the telly tubby keyboard!
[10:12] <agateau> Riddell: to me it's not really about keys being to far away, it's about features like pressing "dw" to delete a whole word, of "cfX" to replace all text until the first occurence of letter X
[10:13] <bulldog98> agateau: that’s an other point
[10:14] <Riddell> macros are a killer feature of emacs that I've not found a decent GUI way of doing for text files
[10:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: isn’t it possible to script kate?
[10:14] <Riddell> I don't know
[10:15] <Tm_T> is
[10:15] <Riddell> it can do scripts yes
[10:15] <Riddell> but I think you have to write them manually, not just record macros
[10:15] <bulldog98> Riddell: so fill a wish then :P
[10:15] <Tm_T> hmph, I might need to write a simple tool to monitor server availability, maybe I'll use Qt for that
[10:16] <bulldog98> Tm_T: use plasma :)
[10:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: indeed, manual writing with Kate AFAIK
[10:16] <Tm_T> bulldog98: it's not for me only, otherwise I would
[10:16] <bulldog98> Tm_T: you could convince the others :P
[10:17] <Riddell> Tm_T: surely there are dozens of such tools out there
[10:17] <Riddell> nagios comes to mind
[10:18] <Tm_T> it's not an option, unfortunately (not usable for average joe)
[10:18] <Tm_T> idea is, you just add an url to the list, and the monitor tests if the page is served
[10:18] <Riddell> surely it has GUIs indended for use with it?
[10:18] <Tm_T> and if not, it tries again and then alarm
[10:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: why does autologin after kubuntu-active install doesn’t work?
[10:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: on the live images or after install with ubiquity?
[10:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: after installing with ubiquity
[10:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: other sysadmins said it's not an option because of its configuration jungle, we have similar system here in use already but it gives too much false alarms (and is resource hog)
[10:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: that has had zero testers, congratulations on being the first tester :)
[10:19] <Tm_T> which is why I'm considering something entirely separate and way simpler approach
[10:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: it'll need a script fragment to change the settings in lightdm
[10:20] <Riddell> I expect there already is one for ubuntu desktop so that just needs adapted
[10:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: are you using today's image?  how is it looking?
[10:20]  * bulldog98 now is allowed to add something to ubiqity
[10:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: look good as far as I can see
[10:21] <bulldog98> only thing in the networkmanager icon is shown
[10:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: can't you make a GUI to set it up simple and correctly?  making the whole server checking tools would be a lot harder than making a GUI on an existing tool
[10:21] <Riddell> bulldog98: it's a letter m ?
[10:21] <Riddell> or a proper icon?
[10:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: a proper icon
[10:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: I agree, I have to discuss what others think
[10:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: that's not a problem then?
[10:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: is kwin showing?  rbelem's changes I uploaded yesterday should make it borderless
[10:23] <bulldog98> Riddell: yeah borderless
[10:23] <Riddell> lovely
[10:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: the problem is that it should show if it’s connected or not just like the plasma-networkmanager widget
[10:24] <Riddell> bulldog98: what's it showing?
[10:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: it shows that M icon all the time instead of showing that the wlan is connected
[10:25] <bulldog98> also akonadi is a mess
[10:25] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes that M is what I've seen and is a puzzle, I need to check the desktop images to make sure it's not happening there too
[10:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[10:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: I've not even tried the kontact stuff, what have you tried?
[10:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: just open up and it says akonadi could not be started
[10:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: you're also the first tester of that :)
[10:28] <Riddell> maybe some package missing?
[10:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: are you running on a tablet device?
[10:28] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[10:28] <Riddell> which?
[10:28] <bulldog98> ExoPc
[10:29] <bulldog98> Riddell: also the menu of Muon is shown, which I find kind of disgusting
[10:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: the top menu?  isn't that the case of all programmes?
[10:30] <bulldog98> Riddell: yeah
[10:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can try muon from the ~cyberspace PPA it has a qml version apol has been working on
[10:30] <bulldog98> Riddell: kool
[10:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: should we add the app menu plasmoid like we do in netbook?
[10:31] <bulldog98> Riddell: no
[10:31] <apol> Riddell, bulldog98: great! note it's not thought to be used on touch devices, some adaption might be required for full usage ;)
[10:32] <apol> (it's small things, you can start using it...)
[10:32] <bulldog98> I’d say we leave it this way for now (it’s technology preview) and try to work that stuff out for next circle
[10:32] <Riddell> yes no point in being too ambitious at this stage
[10:32] <bulldog98> apol: I’ll give you feedback
[10:32] <apol> thanks!
[10:34] <bulldog98> Riddell: it would be good if we had konsole for debuging and ssh-server installed
[10:35] <Riddell> bulldog98: konsole should be in there
[10:35] <Riddell> it's in the seeds
[10:35] <bulldog98> Riddell: overlooked it :)
[10:35] <Riddell> ssh is unlikely, that's an ubuntu policy not to ship with server things on the desktop for security reasons
[10:35] <apol> you should have some meta-package called developer-mode that installs konsole+ssh+nasty stuff :P
[10:35] <Riddell> bulldog98: alt-F2 should be available but I don't know how you do that without a keyboard
[10:36] <Riddell> also I wonder if afiestas's krunner HUD implementation is useful to add
[10:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: wait I’ll try it
[10:36] <afiestas> Riddell: my HUD thing will kill kitties if use on production :/
[10:36] <Tm_T> wasn't ssh on default install on desktop images already?
[10:36] <Riddell> apol: or a way to turn on developer things like a mouse cursor and all that?
[10:37] <Riddell> afiestas: and used on a "technology preview" image?
[10:37] <afiestas> oh that we can do
[10:37] <Riddell> afiestas: but kittens will die!
[10:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: no Alt+F2
[10:37] <afiestas> Riddell:  taht will happen only if in production !
[10:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, very strong ubuntu policy not to have open ports by default
[10:38] <Tm_T> makes sense, although I recall having ssh available by default
[10:38] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh?  it krunner running?
[10:38] <Riddell> Tm_T: ssh client yes
[10:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, could be I've been too used to install the server on live sessions too that I don't remember doing it anymore (:
[10:39] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll check that soon
[10:40] <bulldog98> Riddell: not running
[10:40] <bulldog98> but it’s installed
[10:45] <Riddell> bulldog98: curious
[10:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: also we need a lightdm setting module for the active-settings
[10:46] <Riddell> I don't think I've seen active settings
[10:47] <Riddell> another first thing you are testing :)
[10:47] <Riddell> agateau: there's something for your todo list ^^ :)
[10:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: it’s that thing that says Settings
[10:47] <bulldog98> what’s the binary name for the qml muon?
[10:48] <agateau> bulldog98: muon-installer-qml iirc
[10:48] <bulldog98> also we should make the upper bar a little bit bigger, since I have problems for really activating it
[10:49] <bulldog98> agateau: thanks
[10:50] <agateau> Riddell: what is "active-settings"? plasma active equivalent of system settings?
[10:50] <bulldog98> apol: cool that qml works quite good
[10:50] <bulldog98> agateau: yes
[10:51] <apol> bulldog98: :) good!
[10:51] <apol> glad you like it
[10:51] <bulldog98> agateau: http://vizzzion.org/blog/2012/01/active-settings-modular-embeddable-configuration/
[10:51] <apol> any feedback will be appreciated ;)
[10:51] <soee> hi
[10:52] <soee> im trying to create new project in kexi but got this error: Server result: 1 (SQLITE_ERROR)
[10:52] <bulldog98> apol: is there a back button after you clicked any item?
[10:52] <apol> bulldog98: the bar on top has a small house button
[10:52] <apol> this should take you back
[10:52] <bulldog98> apol: the translated items of the browse section are to big and overlap
[10:52] <apol> -.- damn, thought it was visible
[10:53] <apol> bulldog98: what do you mean?
[10:53] <apol> bulldog98: screenshot maybe?
[10:53] <bulldog98> apol: it’s running on a tablet
[10:53] <bulldog98> wait
[10:54] <bulldog98> apol: the home button is a bit small on the tablet
[10:54] <apol> noted
[10:59] <bulldog98> apol: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/22/muon-qml.jpeg
[11:00] <bulldog98> on the tablet it’s even more overlaping
[11:00] <apol> ugh
[11:00] <apol> i see
[11:00] <apol> ugly
[11:00] <apol> I'll see what I can do
[11:00] <apol> although... well -.- GridView kind of sucks because of that
[11:01] <jussi> sigh, theres a cli converter for odt -> doc and back, but it requires libreoffice-core to be installed)
[11:01] <bulldog98> Riddell: seems akonadi-backend-mysql is missing
[11:02] <jussi> (unoconv fwiw)
[11:02] <apol> bulldog98: shouldn't it use a sqlite backend there?
[11:03] <bulldog98> apol: no plan, but it if I start kmail-mobile it tells me akonadi is not working
[11:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: also kmail-migrator wasn’t running on first start
[11:05] <ScottK> agateau: There was a bug filed about quassel not handling notification systems without the capability for actions correctly.  I expect you're the one most likely to be in a position to fix it, so I'd appreciate it if you could take a look.
[11:08] <agateau> ScottK: do you have the bug number?
[11:10] <ScottK> agateau: Bug #961737
[11:10] <soee> when can we expect calligra RC in ppa /
[11:11] <bulldog98> Riddell: the browser is also bugy, you can’t fill in an url
[11:12] <agateau> ScottK: will have a look
[11:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: why do we use sqlite in the active image?
[11:23] <bulldog98> Riddell: sebas suggest switching to mysql, since it would need less work
[11:24]  * bulldog98 is off till sunday evening
[11:29] <Peace-> Tm_T: are your htere?
[11:29] <Peace-> you there
[11:29] <Peace-> -.- typos
[11:31] <Tm_T> yes (:
[11:31] <Peace-> Tm_T: can you see the post ? https://plus.google.com/u/0/103973247113715942761/posts
[11:32] <Tm_T> yes
[11:32] <Peace-> thank you
[11:38] <Riddell> bulldog98: we haven't made a concious choice on akonadi backend, that'll just be what the seeds happen to have ended up with
[11:38] <Riddell> probably easy to fix
[11:39] <Riddell> bulldog98: have a fun weekend
[11:40] <Riddell> oh wait, we have, it's apachelogger who added sqlite to the seeds
[11:41]  * Riddell removes
[11:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looked at kdevelop or shall I take it?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:28] <emper0r_> hi
[12:28] <emper0r_> good day for every one
[12:29] <Riddell> certainly is
[12:39] <Riddell> what's a good command to play a .ogg file?
[12:39] <Riddell> artsplay doesn't seem to be shipped any more for some reason
[12:43] <BluesKaj> mpayer ?
[12:46] <rbelem> Riddell, cvlc
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yeah forgot about the cli component of vlc
[12:52] <Riddell> thanks
[12:54] <davmor2> Riddell: gst-launch filesrc location=music.ogg ! vorbisfile ! osssink it just trips off the tongue you know it does :D
[12:54] <Riddell> :)
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please feel free to take it up :)
[13:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: too late, doing it already
[13:07] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:07] <Riddell> the fame and glory will be mine
[13:08] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, kdevelop got really boring ... if I did it one more time I would have screamed out loud :P
[13:08]  * shadeslayer runs off to do upstream work
[13:37] <soee> anyone using kexi here ?
[13:39] <Riddell> ug we're full, what should I delete? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages
[13:40]  * Riddell targets natty
[13:46] <yofel_> Riddell: you can upload somewhere else and copy the binaries, that's what I do
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yeah, worked for me :P
[13:48] <shadeslayer> but that's like cheating LP ;)
[13:52] <Riddell> yofel: ooh cheeky!
[13:53]  * Riddell deletes lucid packages too
[14:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: who cares :P
[14:07] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:09]  * yofel goes backporting qt patches
[14:32] <Peace-> Riddell: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ubuntu,+kubuntu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[14:34] <Riddell> Peace-: are you making a point?
[14:35] <Riddell> bulldog98_: NM is fine on the desktop images so there must be something missing from active image
[14:36] <Peace-> Riddell: kubuntu is 26 on distrowatch
[14:36] <Peace-> so
[14:45] <debfx> grr, libkipi has broken its ABI from 4.7 to 4.8
[14:46] <apol> Riddell: do you know where is the source of the "aptsources" python module?
[14:47] <yofel> apol:  $ dpkg -S /usr/share/pyshared/aptsources/
[14:47] <yofel> python-apt: /usr/share/pyshared/aptsources
[14:47] <debfx> ah it's written by the digikam maintainer
[14:47]  * debfx is not surprised at all
[14:48] <apol> yofel: fair enough, thanks
[14:48] <apol> I was more thinking of the upstream though... :P
[14:49] <yofel> hm, that I don't know - somewhere at debian I would say
[16:35] <mgraesslin> Riddell: ping
[16:35] <Riddell> hi mgraesslin 
[16:35] <mgraesslin> I just pushed a new version to the menueditor repo
[16:35] <mgraesslin> but to me it looks like the ui files were all included
[16:39] <Riddell> mgraesslin: what's your branch again?
[16:40] <mgraesslin> kde:scratch/graesslin/kmenuedit
[16:42] <Riddell> mgraesslin: http://paste.kde.org/444698/
[16:44] <mgraesslin> Riddell: fixed
[16:45] <Riddell> mgraesslin: /home/jr/src/kmenuedit/kmenuedit/src/kmenuedit.cpp:23:22: fatal error: settings.h: No such file or directory
[16:45] <mgraesslin> meh
[16:46] <mgraesslin> also fixed
[16:46]  * mgraesslin has to remember to do more often make clean
[16:52] <Riddell> mgraesslin: it works!
[16:53] <Riddell> mgraesslin: want me to look into making daily builds?
[17:11] <mgraesslin> Riddell: I hope to have it mostly finished on Monday to start a merge process into kde-workspace
[17:11] <Riddell> micahg: this is interesting http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/QtWebKitSecurity
[17:11] <mgraesslin> currently it's hardly usable yet
[17:11] <Riddell> mgraesslin: oh cool, so should be part of SC 4.9?
[17:11] <mgraesslin> I at least target for that
[17:11] <Riddell> lovely
[17:11] <mgraesslin> it's not such a huge application
[17:12] <mgraesslin> it's just drag'n'drop + MovelView sucks to implement IMHO
[17:12] <micahg> Riddell: that is interesting
[17:15] <Riddell> micahg: digia are maintaining a security branch and hope to make patches for 4.8 available
[17:15] <Riddell> the guy is Turunen Tuukka <Tuukka.Turunen @digia.com>
[18:37] <littlegirl> Hey there, is there still a couple of hours on the doc freeze deadline?
[18:37] <Darkwing> Yes
[18:37] <Darkwing> 2 hours and 20 minutes
[18:37] <littlegirl> Good, then I'm back to it. (:
[18:38] <Darkwing> Awesome. with one hour to go I'm going to run my review then build for translations.
[18:39] <Darkwing> so at... 1p my time (4p yours) Work stopage.
[18:39] <Darkwing> jjesse: ping
[18:39] <littlegirl> Okay, I'll see how many of these remaining docs I can do. (:
[18:40] <Darkwing> Thanks littlegirl
[18:41] <littlegirl> Any time. (:
[19:05] <Darkwing> Riddell, ScottK ping
[19:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: where did you put your cmake parsing script? still only in gist?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yup
[19:17] <littlegirl> Darkwing: That's two more. There isn't time to do one more in forty five minutes. That leaves 6 unfinished, plus any you and jjesse still need to commit.
[19:17] <yofel> k
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: I thought you're working on the regex :)
[19:17] <yofel> ah, didn't this week, was busy
[19:17] <shadeslayer> but I won't have time to look at it before next week
[19:18] <yofel> k, I'll try to improve it a bit then
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[19:20] <Darkwing> littlegirl: I'll push your merges then I will run my review.
[19:21] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Sounds good. They're all validated, but none were checked for accuracy of content.
[19:21] <Darkwing> littlegirl: Thanks!!!!!
[19:21] <Darkwing> littlegirl: and, I'll be looking for help with some stuff after UDS.
[19:21] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Any time. I wish I'd come into this sooner and they all would have been done. (:
[19:21] <Darkwing> :)
[19:21] <littlegirl> Okay. (:
[20:36] <yofel> shadeslayer: reworked a bit and shortened the output https://gist.github.com/2162326 - but now I'm getting urllib crashes on workspace o.O
[20:37] <Darkwing> yofel: you ever used recipies in LP before?
[20:37] <yofel> Darkwing: the daily build ones? neon is based on those, so yes
[20:38] <Darkwing> If I have teh debian files in my package... does it work well?
[20:38] <Darkwing> Or rather, in my code.
[20:38] <yofel> sure
[20:38]  * Darkwing ponders
[20:38] <Darkwing> Thanks mate
[20:38] <yofel> as long as dpkg-buildpackage is fine with your source, the recipes will be too
[20:42] <Darkwing> BAH! David Tennant was better.
[20:47] <ScottK> Darkwing: pong
[20:54] <jussi> anyone about?
[20:55] <Darkwing> Never!
[20:58] <jussi> Darkwing: cripes! I still owe you a tshirt! Im sorry man, I will send it soon 
[20:59] <Darkwing> LOL
[20:59] <Darkwing> You have my address still? :P:P
[20:59] <Darkwing> Or, you can bring it to UDS-Q
[20:59] <jussi> Darkwing: wont be there. :(
[20:59] <Darkwing> Bugger
[21:14] <ScottK> http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/kde-libs.html
[21:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I added akonadi-sqlite to the desktop seed? :O
[21:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: active seed
[21:15] <apachelogger> I do recall pondering adding it to the mobile seed back in september or so
[21:15] <apachelogger> why yes
[21:15] <apachelogger> it makes sense for active :P
[21:15] <ScottK> Go argue with Riddell and sebas
[21:15] <apachelogger> as I pointed out on the ml the sqlite backend was created for devices with more restrained resources ^^
[21:17] <apachelogger> unless the akonadi people decided to declare it unmaintained I do not see why we'd use a framework to accomodate for a billion pim data entries on a device formfactor that has limited memory and cpu :P
[21:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: also about the bike sheding regarding whether kubuntu competes with ubuntu ... as canonical's big interest is OEM, ubuntu desktop's is OEM, hence we do not actually compete with ubuntu desktop
[21:19] <ScottK> Also the are aiming at consumer level devices and people with ~no computer experience.
[21:19] <ScottK> the/they
[21:19] <ScottK> We're more aimed at someone who's used a computer before.
[21:20] <apachelogger> well, KDE is doing that mostly :)
[21:21] <apachelogger> so
[21:21] <apachelogger> did you people try the current splash stuff?
[21:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, did that guy get back to you regarding release announcement writing?
[21:22] <ScottK> No
[21:22] <apachelogger> meh
[22:15] <Darkwing> bugger
[22:29] <Darkwing> I'm having issues with xml2po
[22:57] <Riddell> Darkwing: pong
[22:57] <Darkwing> Riddell: ScottK answered my question.
[22:57] <Darkwing> I'm about to kick xml2po in the arse
[22:58] <Riddell> Darkwing: are you making a kubuntu-docs package?
[22:58] <Darkwing> Yeah... I'm trying.
[22:59] <Riddell> lovely
[22:59] <Darkwing> xml2po is failing.
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> apol_: pingy
[23:03] <apol_> JontheEchidna: hola
[23:03] <JontheEchidna> hi
[23:04] <apol_> :)
[23:04] <apol_> JontheEchidna: what's up?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> I tried out the Ubuntu SSO stuff in the QML installer again, but I got a credentialsError event when I hit the login button:
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> error "muon-installer" QMap(("errtype", "AssertionError")("message", "Assertion failed."))
[23:04] <apol_> :(
[23:04] <apol_> I'll look into this then
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> any idea what could be up?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> ok
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> I guess the sso client is crashing
[23:05] <apol_> JontheEchidna: meh they don't really show the API
[23:05] <apol_> it's just a map<string,string>
[23:05] <apol_> so maybe i forgot some field
[23:05] <apol_> or anything
[23:05] <apol_> who knows...
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> hehe, yeah
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> I had to reverse-engineer the reviews API :s
[23:05] <apol_> yes xD
[23:05] <apol_> well
[23:05] <apol_> me too
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> getting that stupid request url concatenated was a pain
[23:06] <apol_> and they don't really provide any error messages
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> oh, and I don't suppose there would be a way to close the review window in case you decide you don't really want to submit a review?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> if so, I can't figure out how
[23:07] <apol_> JontheEchidna: alt+f4 xD
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:07] <apol_> yes, we need a close button
[23:07] <apol_> JontheEchidna: actually I'm thinking of hacking something in the components part
[23:07] <apol_> this window looks teeeeeeeerribly ugly
[23:07] <apol_> JontheEchidna: don't you think?
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> the window itself looks fine, but I agree that it doesn't look good as a separate window like that
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> kind of a hack
[23:08] <Darkwing> something has changed...
[23:08] <Darkwing> I don't know what or why, but something has changed,.
[23:10] <Darkwing> did wildcards change in bash change?
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> apol_: oh, I just remembered that a few days ago I tried a system update with the QML installer and noticed funky behavior like double messages if you navigate elsewhere while updating, and then come back to the updates page
[23:11] <apol_> JontheEchidna: uh
[23:11] <apol_> yes
[23:11] <apol_> I'd like to make the user to stay in the updates area while updating
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> seems reasonable, the other frontends require that as well
[23:12] <apol_> also the update itself has some problems, until yesterday you didn't even know if it it was finished
[23:12] <apol_> JontheEchidna: for me it's hard to test it, I just develop it the days I have updates :D
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> I'm running 12.04 beta, so there's basically packages everyday
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, you know what you could do
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> you could force-downgrade a package, then remove the cached package file from /var/cache/apt/archives
[23:14] <JontheEchidna> this would work well with packages available from multiple origins with different versions in each origin (like a ppa with a newer package)
[23:18] <apol_> JontheEchidna: yes, I'm on 12.04 now
[23:19] <apol_> JontheEchidna: btw, what's about this usageCount using zeitgeist stuff?
[23:19] <apol_> it always returns 0 to me :P
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> there's not much zeitgeist integration within kde atm...
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> there's a plugin you can build for kate
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> kate's the only thing I've ever gotten usage data for :P
[23:20] <apol_> hmm
[23:20] <apol_> i see
[23:20] <apol_> JontheEchidna: I thought there was something from the activities manager reporting data to zeitgeist
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch/whiting/katezeitgeist.git&a=summary
[23:37] <apachelogger> Darkwing: aint kubuntu-docs going away?