[00:00] <ironhalik> gnome-shell on mutter runs smoother :P
[00:00] <kklimonda> FernandoMiguel: this netbook has something really old, running on i915
[00:00] <FernandoMiguel> eeewwwww
[00:01] <kklimonda> FernandoMiguel: add to this a slow disk, and atom processor (single core 1.6 with HT)
[00:01] <Daekdroom> Oh wow.
[00:01] <kklimonda> and it can't really handle all the stuff I have running ;)
[00:01] <kklimonda> well, even Firefox is enough to make it crawl if I start browsing too many pages at once
[00:02] <kklimonda> at least it has 2 gigs of ram
[00:02] <FernandoMiguel> I have a Intel HD3000 and SSD :p
[00:02] <bandit5432> kklimonda, i forgot how much i hate building kernels
[00:02] <FernandoMiguel> 8GBs :p
[00:03] <kklimonda> yeah, if my netbook had HD3000 and atom dual core I'd actually consider putting an ssd into it
[00:03] <Daekdroom> HD3000 is not enough for a SSD and 8GiBs.
[00:03] <ironhalik> Im running on a 1.33ghz C2D culv
[00:03] <ironhalik> on a 32gig, compactflash, ghetto ssd
[00:04] <ironhalik> in place of one of those evil 1.8 inch drives
[00:04] <Daekdroom> I'm running a Phenom II X4 820 with 4GiBs and a conventional HDD.
[00:04] <Daekdroom> Probably 7200rpm
[00:05] <kklimonda> well, my desktop is i5-2500 with 4 gigs of ram and two disks
[00:05] <kklimonda> although 4 gigs is not nearly enough
[00:05] <FernandoMiguel> it's not
[00:05] <kklimonda> so I'll be buying another 8 soonish
[00:06] <Daekdroom> 4Gigs is enough for me Oo
[00:06] <Daekdroom> Well, except for when I want a Win7 VM.
[00:06] <FernandoMiguel> the dev machines I got my team, are i5, 8GBs and 1080p LCDs
[00:06] <kklimonda> I have to run VMs for work, and do a lot of building (sometimes inside VMs)
[00:06] <bandit5432> i want more ram :C
[00:06] <bandit5432> and i wont buy ddr2 because of the prices
[00:07] <kklimonda> I should really put two 7200rpm 1TB WD blacks into my desktop
[00:07] <kklimonda> and a single ssd
[00:07] <kklimonda> but damn, that's a lot of money :/
[00:07] <itaylor57> Intel Core i3-330UM processor 500GB HDD @ 7200 RPM 8G ram
[00:08] <Daekdroom> I think I can get away with this computer for another 3 or 4 years.
[00:08] <Daekdroom> It'll definitely last longer than my last one.
[00:08] <bandit5432> Daekdroom, i hope that one would last for a while
[00:09] <bandit5432> needs more ram though
[00:09] <kklimonda> pretty much all my previous computers lasted for 3-4 years
[00:10] <FernandoMiguel> my machines are 800€ DELL
[00:10] <kklimonda> after that they either die from overuse, or are just too slow
[00:10] <FernandoMiguel> less 150€ for 1366 pannels
[00:10] <FernandoMiguel> my personal dell vostro wass 450€ plus SSD and +4GBs
[00:10] <bandit5432> i got my mom a dell i5 quad with 8gigs of ram for $775 last year
[00:10] <kklimonda> I built my desktop myself
[00:11] <kklimonda> it's pretty much what everyone does in Poland ;)
[00:11] <Daekdroom> My first comp unfortunately lasted 7 years.
[00:12] <bandit5432> side question how long does a kernel build take?
[00:12] <bandit5432> its been 12 years since i built one
[00:12] <itaylor57> til its done?
[00:12] <bandit5432> yes on a dual core rough estimate
[00:12] <kklimonda> bandit5432: an hour or so on a decent hardware if you build with distribution configs afair
[00:13] <kklimonda> but damn, last time I've built one was around 10.10 when I was hunting an audio bug
[00:13] <bandit5432> kklimonda, ok i hate git bisect
[00:13] <kklimonda> bandit5432: well, it won't take that much on the second try
[00:14] <kklimonda> bandit5432: most of if will already be built
[00:14] <bandit5432> kklimonda, i hope not but i have a way of breaking things so we will see
[00:14] <kklimonda> bandit5432: have you tried sending an email to lkml in the meantime? it may be that someone will see the problem without bisecting
[00:14] <bandit5432> kklimonda, nope but i might do that
[00:14] <kklimonda> there were only 50 patches or so between rc7 and the final release
[00:14] <bandit5432> 62
[00:15] <kklimonda> and only a handful of them would have any effect on that
[00:15] <kklimonda> so they should stand out to people who are familiar with the code
[00:15] <bandit5432> hmm maybe i should have git bisect visualize first
[00:16] <kklimonda> what does it do?
[00:17] <bandit5432> i dunno linus says its the nicest tool
[00:17] <bandit5432> http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/git_bisect.html
[00:19] <itaylor57> git bisect find the change that introduced a bug by binary search
[00:19] <bandit5432> stupid me for wanting to burn a cd and use m$ beta antivirus livecd
[00:19] <bandit5432> i new i should have booted into rc7 this morning and not 3.3
[00:19] <bandit5432> knew'
[00:21] <bandit5432> any one run 12.04 with gnome-panels?
[00:22] <glosoli> not me :/
[00:22] <bandit5432> i have a different question that i just remembered
[00:22] <kklimonda> i did see some screenshots of a "gnome classic" session so someone does ;)
[00:23] <bandit5432> mine keeps having errors on my laptop
[00:27] <bandit5432> hmm now my laptop wont even boot :|
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> Tomas Moniz <tmoniz@rocket-internet.pt>
[00:28] <FernandoMiguel> nite folks
[00:36] <glosoli> bandit5432: what kind of errors ?
[00:38] <bandit5432> it randomly hangs when using gnome-panels and the panels become unusable killing them or ctrl+alt+bkspce works for a while then it does it again
[00:38] <jinjorge> observing something interesting lately when my pc running 12.04 randomly reboots
[00:39] <bandit5432> it wont finish booting right now so i am updating in rescue and will see if its acting the same when i reboot
[00:39] <jinjorge> anyone else seen something similar?
[00:39] <glosoli> bandit5432: have you reported bug ?
[00:40] <bandit5432> glosoli, not yet i always ask first then report
[00:41] <jinjorge> are there any commands I can run to see the cause of the last reboot?
[00:41] <glosoli> bandit5432: As I am not using Classic Gnome Session, can't test it for the moment :/
[00:42] <bandit5432> glosoli, i figured that most dont use it any more
[00:42] <glosoli> jinjorge: there should be some commands to get logs, forgot about them, you may try googling smth like "ubuntu check sys reboot logs" or smth like that
[00:42] <glosoli> bandit5432: well unity became an interface for choice for many of us
[00:43] <jinjorge> glosoli: Thanks, will do
[00:43] <glosoli> jinjorge: ah instead reboot -> restart, that would be the correct word
[00:45] <jinjorge> glosoli: ok!!
[00:45] <bandit5432> jinjorge, you can look in the log file viewer app
[00:46] <jinjorge> bandit5432: viewer app?
[00:47] <bandit5432> yes in its "log file viewer" hold on i will give you the terminal command
[00:48] <bandit5432> /usr/bin/gnome-system-log
[00:48] <bandit5432> gnome-system-log system log viewer for GNOME
[00:52] <jinjorge> bandit5423: Thanks found the app, but it does not launch
[00:52] <alteregoa> hello dudettes and dudes
[00:52] <bandit5432> does it give you an error jinjorge ?
[00:53] <jinjorge> bandit5432: nope
[00:53] <alteregoa> someone tell me the version of samba pangolin uses?
[00:53] <pangolin> 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu1
[00:54] <jinjorge> bandit5432:in Gnome classic, it's under Applications, System Tools
[00:54] <bandit5432> jinjorge, yes that would be correct you can also open a terminal and try and see if you get an error
[00:54] <jinjorge> bandit5432: I am just looking at the syslog using vi
[00:55] <jinjorge> bandit5432: I'll have to look into why log viewer is not launching later
[00:55] <jinjorge> very bizarre
[00:55] <jinjorge> very strange
[00:57] <jinjorge> bandit5432: nothing is logged in the syslog with regards to trying to launch log viewer
[00:58] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  i dont hink it should
[00:58] <bandit5432> think'
[00:59] <jinjorge> bandit5432: ok
[00:59] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  if you need root access it would show up in auth.log
[01:01] <jinjorge> bandit5432: launches from terminal
[01:01] <bandit5432> jinjorge, strange but at least its working
[01:02] <jinjorge> bandit5432: but not via the launcher(is that what it's called?)
[01:03] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  i dont use the correct terms so I would not be the one to ask on that
[01:03] <bandit5432> jinjorge, i call it a menu and go from there
[01:03] <jinjorge> bandit5432: yes, at least it's working. I'll file a bug for failing to launch from the menu option/launcher or whatever it's supposed to be referred to
[01:03] <jinjorge> bandit5432: I appreciate your help
[01:04] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  i would search for a bug first before you make a new noe
[01:04] <bandit5432> 'one
[01:04] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  np
[01:04] <jinjorge> bandit5432: yes, was going to do that prior to filing. just stating ultimate intentions that way I don't forget :)
[01:05] <bandit5432> jinjorge,  good idea i use sticky notes only way i can remember what i am doing
[01:06] <bandit5432> well that and i have 40 apps and hundreds of tabs open at a time
[01:07] <WilsonBradley> Finally finished a full update for 12.04 and most problems went away. It seems the rule of thumb , like in Windows, to CLOSE ALL apps while doing an update. I don't get as many errors.
[01:07] <jinjorge> bandit5432: :) signing out. catch you on here later
[01:07] <bandit5432> see you
[01:24] <Fernandos> where is the ubuntu package maintainer/creator/learning channel?
[01:27] <Dbm> Hello guys, ive need help. When i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS i bootup via USB, all works fine till i get in narea to clear whole HDD and install fresh system. I got some Warning about /dev/sda msdos or something.
[01:31] <bandit5432> nope panel still crashes when loading synaptic
[01:44] <ryanprior> I've been unable to install Grub while installing Precise (LP: #899213) Does anybody know a workaround?
[01:48] <Faryshta> Hi. 12.04 will use kernel 3.3?
[01:49] <Daekdroom> Faryshta, 3.2
[01:49] <Faryshta> Daekdroom, what a shame. Thanks.
[01:49] <Daekdroom> Not a shame at all.
[01:49] <Daekdroom> We're way past FeatureFreeze.
[01:50] <Daekdroom> And they need enough time to fix eventual new bugs that show up.
[01:50] <micahg> also 3.2 is an LTS kernel
[01:51] <ryanprior> speaking of new bugs, can anybody help me troubleshoot a grub installaion problem?
[01:51] <Faryshta> Daekdroom, micahg yes but as an android developer I would love some default support.
[01:51] <micahg> Faryshta: the kernel from 12.10 will be backported to precise
[01:52] <Faryshta> micahg, cool. By then I hope they get kernel 3.4+
[02:17] <bandit5432> is it normal for a kernel image to be 600MG when built from git?
[02:18] <leftyfb> Can someone tell me why alt+right-click is not working on either of the panels in 12.04 fully updated and running gnome-panel?
[02:18] <bandit5432> try windows key+alt or the right clt key
[02:18] <bandit5432> right alt'
[02:19] <leftyfb> i've tried both alt and ctrl keys as well as the windows key
[02:20] <leftyfb> why the hell would they disable right-clicking a panel? Like it was "confusing" anyone.
[02:20] <bandit5432> dunno my panel keeps crashing so i cant change any-thing
[02:20] <Daekdroom> bandit5432, did you leave debugging symbols enabled?
[02:21] <bandit5432> leftyfb, you getting any errors about the panel crashing
[02:21] <bandit5432> Daekdroom, i dunno will look
[02:21] <leftyfb> not yet
[02:21] <leftyfb> haven't got that far
[02:21] <bandit5432> it gave a nice dump last time but then said i needed to update
[02:21] <itaylor57> well my ssytem got borked
[02:21] <itaylor57> did apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:22] <itaylor57> removed alot of packages and now can't login
[02:22] <itaylor57> so am downloading image to reinstall
[02:22] <leftyfb> I keep trying 12.04 with different non-unity solutions to see if ubuntu is something I can keep using going forward ... and if it's simple enough, I might even get excited about ubuntu again and possibly even start advocating it again .. minus Unity of course
[02:22] <Daekdroom> You could try reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package from command line, itaylor57
[02:22] <itaylor57> will try
[02:22] <bandit5432> leftyfb, i use it with gnome-panel and 11.10 is working ok but 12.04 the panel keeps crashing
[02:23] <johnjohn1011> is it true about gnome classic in 12.04?
[02:23] <leftyfb> johnjohn101: we're trying
[02:23] <leftyfb> johnjohn101: if it's true, I might stick with ubuntu
[02:23] <leftyfb> it's running, although severely neutered
[02:23] <bandit5432> what about gnome-classic in 12.04?
[02:23] <leftyfb> that it's easily reinstalled
[02:24] <leftyfb> sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[02:24] <bandit5432> that worked in 11.10 dont know why it would change for 12.04
[02:24] <Daekdroom> They changed it so it looks like old Ubuntu instead of GNOME Shell.
[02:24] <Daekdroom> There weren't even official indicators for it.
[02:24] <johnjohn1011> i meant that improvements are being made that it is basically the same as 10.10 or so?
[02:25] <itaylor57> Daekdroom: i am trying that now
[02:25] <bandit5432> my gnome-panel on 11.10 looks like old ubuntu or really close any way
[02:25] <leftyfb> I doubt they're improving it
[02:25] <bandit5432> gnome-panel on 11.10 and 12.04 looks the same
[02:25] <leftyfb> more like throwing their loyal followers scraps
[02:25] <itaylor57> it also remove alot like rythmbox etc
[02:25] <Daekdroom> bandit5432, no, they don't.
[02:25] <johnjohn1011> i like the new unity better.
[02:25] <leftyfb> itaylor57: the default installed packages isn't a big deal
[02:25] <Daekdroom> 11.10 didn't even have indicator-applet for GNOME Panel in the repos.
[02:25] <johnjohn1011> but I have to support my brother
[02:25] <bandit5432> i am using 11.10 to type this and i would have to disagree
[02:25] <Daekdroom> 12.04 does.
[02:25] <leftyfb> a simple "sudo apt-get install <package>" is an easy fix
[02:26] <bandit5432> you can install the idicator-applet from ppa
[02:26] <Daekdroom> You could check all suggested and recommended packages for ubuntu-desktop and install them.
[02:26] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: so far I'm not able to bring up any menu's on the panels
[02:26] <Daekdroom> bandit5432, which is not official.
[02:26] <Daekdroom> Now it's in the freaking repos!
[02:26] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: you're complaining?
[02:26] <bandit5432> lol ok
[02:26] <Daekdroom> and by default.
[02:26] <Daekdroom> No, I'm not.
[02:26] <imnichol> So does anyone know how to remove a library location from rhythmbox?
[02:27] <bandit5432> i run apps from 12-14 ppas so that is not a biggy for me also mediabuntu so all is good
[02:27] <Daekdroom> I take PPAs with a grain of salt now, because once I used one I couldn't purge with ppa-purge.
[02:27] <Daekdroom> And had to manually try to downgrade the packages.
[02:28] <bandit5432> that does suck
[02:29] <bandit5432> Daekdroom,  for future reference if you need it dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq  'name.deb'
[02:30] <bandit5432> ok off to test my git bisect
[02:30] <Dbm> Hello guys, ive need help. When i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS i bootup via USB, all works fine till i get in narea to clear whole HDD and install fresh system. I got some Warning about /dev/sda msdos or something.
[02:30] <Dbm> anyone had that prob?
[02:30] <Dbm> ;d
[02:31] <bandit5432> whats the exact warning?
[02:31] <Dbm> gimme sec
[02:31] <Dbm> imma google it for u
[02:31] <bandit3453> test
[02:32] <Dbm> Warning: /dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table.
[02:32] <Dbm> However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should.
[02:32] <Dbm> Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT
[02:32] <Dbm> partition tables.  Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an
[02:32] <Dbm> msdos partition table.  Is this a GPT partition table?
[02:32] <Dbm> This one
[02:32] <Dbm> And then i got Yes or No
[02:32] <itaylor57> well i got desktop back
[02:32] <Dbm> But Yes & No not working at all.
[02:32] <itaylor57> but a whole lota stuff is gone now
[02:33] <Daekdroom> itaylor57, install the recommends and suggests for ubuntu-desktop.
[02:33] <Daekdroom> Unfortunately I don't know how to do that through CLI
[02:33] <itaylor57> yea i will check in synaptic
[02:34] <bandit3453> dbm what size is the disk and is it a fresh install
[02:35] <Dbm> I got answer,
[02:35] <Dbm> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+question/157152
[02:35] <bandit3453> yay
[02:35] <Dbm> Cheers
[02:35] <Dbm> btw guys is it on 12.04 possible
[02:35] <Dbm> to go gnome classic and edit all panels?
[02:35] <Dbm> as u wish and hide that dock's?
[02:36] <ryanprior> Ubiquity's been failing to install Grub while installing Precise (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/899213) Can anybody help me find a workaround?
[02:37] <Dbm> anyone?
[02:37] <bandit3453> Dbm, yes gnome classic is possible
[02:37] <bandit3453> i am using it right now
[02:38] <Daekdroom> Dbm, yes
[02:38] <Dbm> ok great
[02:38] <Dbm> thanks
[02:38] <leftyfb> jeeze .. they didn't even install gconf-editor
[02:39] <leftyfb> thanks for the choices Canonical
[02:39] <bandit3453> they havnt for a while
[02:39] <Daekdroom> Alt+Right Click for the cool choices (Move/Remove), Dbm
[02:39] <Daekdroom> gconf-editor is too much of an advanced tool.
[02:39] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: that's not working for me
[02:39] <Daekdroom> Whoever needs it will know how to get it.
[02:39] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: not an adequate answer, sorry
[02:40] <Daekdroom> What's not working for you?
[02:40] <leftyfb> gconfi-editor is REQUIRED these days because they keep removing all the features from the usual config menus/utils
[02:40] <bandit3453> apt-get install gconf-editor?
[02:40] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: alt+right-click is not working for me
[02:40] <bandit3453> use gnome-tweak
[02:40] <leftyfb> re-installed 12.04 many times
[02:40] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[02:40] <micahg> gconf is deprecated I thought
[02:40] <leftyfb> bandit3453: also not an adequate answer
[02:41] <Daekdroom> leftyfb, there has been constant issues with CD size.
[02:41] <leftyfb> Q: "This is broken/removed"   A: "Use something else"
[02:41] <Daekdroom> gconf-editor is nowhere near essential.
[02:41] <bandit3453> what is the question?
[02:41] <leftyfb> "Ubuntu is broken"   A:  "Use something else"   is what it's starting to become
[02:41] <leftyfb> it's a constant fight to keep control of my desktop
[02:42] <bandit3453> i use gconf-editor all the time
[02:42] <bandit3453> whats the question?
[02:43] <leftyfb> I love how they hide the scoll bars ...  "guess where you click to scroll??? We won't tell you!"
[02:43] <leftyfb> bandit3453: I'm looking for a way to re-enable right-clicking my panels
[02:44] <Daekdroom> Well, what I remember from 11.10 is that there's a key you must press before right-clicking if you want to customize the panel.
[02:44] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: yup, as I've mentioned 4 times, ALT+right-click does not work
[02:44] <snadge> you're using gnome in fallback mode?
[02:44] <leftyfb> gnome classic
[02:44] <bandit3453> i am on 12.04 and to right click on gnome-panels i have to use the right alt key and right click
[02:45] <leftyfb> bandit3453: you mentioned gnome-tweak .. looks like that's only for gnome shell. Did you mean ubuntu tweak?
[02:45] <snadge> thats where that applies.. regular gnome-shell and unity doesnt allow you to click to add/customise the indicator panel
[02:45] <bandit3453> now it left alt key
[02:45] <leftyfb> bandit3453: that's not working for me
[02:46] <snadge> i prefer it that way.. if you really want to use gnome 2.. just use centos ;)
[02:46] <leftyfb> snadge: or you could provide useful comments
[02:46] <bandit3453> leftyfb, yes ubuntu tweak
[02:46] <snadge> that is a useful comment
[02:46] <snadge> you're whinging about the classic desktop.. which nobody cares about
[02:46] <leftyfb> snadge: no, it's an ignorant comment
[02:46] <Daekdroom> Oh wow.
[02:46] <leftyfb> snadge: which YOU don't care about
[02:46] <bandit3453> leftyfb, try killing panel and trying again
[02:46] <Daekdroom> I tested it in the guest user and it didn't work for me either.
[02:46] <leftyfb> bandit3453: I've reinstalled 12.04 3 times
[02:47] <bandit3453> but did you update it after you installed?
[02:47] <snadge> right.. and the useful part of my comment is that EL still cares about gnome 2.. so if you really want a classic desktop, you could use it instead.. i dont see how thats ignorant
[02:47] <leftyfb> bandit3453: it's installed from PXE
[02:47] <snadge> or you could use an older version of ubuntu
[02:47] <Daekdroom> leftyfb, I found out what it is.
[02:47] <Daekdroom> Compiz!
[02:47] <Daekdroom> It works ok with metacity.
[02:48] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: compiz isn't installed at the moment
[02:48] <Daekdroom> then I don't know what the hell.
[02:48] <Daekdroom> But using metacity made it work for me
[02:48] <leftyfb> oh wait
[02:48] <leftyfb> I take that back
[02:48] <leftyfb> looks like it is using compiz
[02:48] <leftyfb> ok, so let me look at ccsm ... maybe it's something I can enable there
[02:48] <leftyfb> bandit3453: ubuntu tweak won't install on 12.04
[02:48] <snadge> gnome classic uses compiz? whut?
[02:48] <Daekdroom> I'd report a bug
[02:49] <snadge> i thought it was supposed to use metacity
[02:49] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: useless
[02:49] <Daekdroom> snadge, for effects, yes. But it can use metacity too.
[02:49] <Daekdroom> leftyfb, that's a very nice mentality for a Ubuntu user.
[02:49] <bandit3453> leftyfb, what i have it open right now
[02:49] <leftyfb> Daekdroom: i've reported plenty of bugs over the past 5 years of using an advocating ubuntu. Every single one was ignored until someone else reported the same thing in a report they just created after mine ... then my bug report was marked as a duplicate and closed
[02:50] <bandit3453> ubuntu tweak does work on 12.04
[02:50] <snadge> i used to get my knickers in a twist about classic gnome being deprecated.. then i stopped caring.. makes it a lot easier.. i use unity now, its great ;)
[02:50] <itaylor57> Daekdroom, thanks for the info on getting my desktop back, saved me reinstalling
[02:50] <Daekdroom> itaylor57, you're welcome
[02:51] <leftyfb> bandit3453: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kTZVv9pn
[02:51] <leftyfb> bah, hold on
[02:51] <leftyfb> damn typos
[02:52] <bandit3453> i am using 0.7.0-0~bzr1724+20120321~oneiric1
[02:52] <leftyfb> from a PPA?
[02:52] <bandit3453> yes
[02:53] <bandit3453> i always test my system the way it will be used including adding the ppa's that i use
[02:53] <leftyfb> that's what I'm trying to do
[02:53] <leftyfb> starting with right-clicking my panels
[02:53] <leftyfb> you know, the highly advanced "feature" that confuses the common folk
[02:54] <bandit3453> make sure that you are up to date what version of panels do you have?
[02:54] <bandit3453> and is this a fresh home dir?
[02:54] <leftyfb> bandit3453: fresh install completely
[02:54] <ryanprior> I'm sad that Super+D is gone. I used that a lot in 11.04
[02:54] <leftyfb> only change was sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[02:54] <Daekdroom> ryanprior, CRTL + ALT + D
[02:54] <leftyfb> ryanprior: what's that do?
[02:54] <Daekdroom> I think you can change it.
[02:55] <ryanprior> leftyfb: ctrl+alt+d to find out :-)
[02:55] <Daekdroom> Huh.. Yes. You can. It's even in the control panel!
[02:56] <ryanprior> Where in the control panel?
[02:56] <bandit3453> leftyfb, did you log in with gnome-classic with what ever its called or old one?
[02:56] <leftyfb> gnome classic
[02:56] <Daekdroom> ryanprior, 'Hardware', Keyboard or something.
[02:56] <Daekdroom> I'm not using it in English.
[02:56] <leftyfb> bandit3453: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[02:56] <leftyfb> you're probably going to see a few people coming here from that site
[02:57] <ryanprior> I see that switching it to Super+D makes it use the same buggy behaviour as 11.04, which I reported when 11.04 came out. Sigh, time to find that bug and update it.
[02:57] <leftyfb> bandit3453: which ppa are you using for ubuntu tweak? The one from their site only installs 0.6
[02:57] <bandit3453> leftyfb, i am using the http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/next/ubuntu one
[02:57] <leftyfb> :/
[02:57] <ryanprior> I hope they didn't just switch it to ctrl+alt+d because they decided it wasn't worth fixing.
[02:57] <leftyfb> same here
[02:58] <leftyfb> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak
[02:58] <leftyfb> ubuntu-tweak:
[02:58] <leftyfb>   Installed: 0.6.1-1~precise1
[02:58] <leftyfb>   Candidate: 0.6.1-1~precise1
[02:58] <leftyfb>   Version table:
[02:58] <leftyfb>  *** 0.6.1-1~precise1 0
[02:58] <leftyfb>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages
[02:58] <leftyfb>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:58] <ryanprior> leftyfb: pastebin
[02:58] <bandit3453> i am not using precise
[02:58] <bandit3453> ppa
[02:59] <bandit3453> use https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/next
[02:59] <bandit3453> or ppa:tualatrix/next
[03:00] <bandit3453> and try loging into gnome classic without effects
[03:01] <leftyfb> no thanks
[03:01] <leftyfb> I actually use compiz features
[03:01] <leftyfb> productively
[03:01] <Daekdroom> bug #961850
[03:01] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure whether I should have reported that against GNOME Panel instead of Compiz, but, meh..
[03:02] <Daekdroom> It'd be cool if someone clicked in "This bug affects me too."
[03:03] <bandit3453> i dont use compiz sorry
[03:03] <bandit3453> i do need some pointers on how to finish this bisect that i am in the middle of
[03:03] <Daekdroom> I see what you mean. I never click there unless I'm actually affected by it.
[03:04] <trism> have you tried alt+super+right click?
[03:05] <Daekdroom> That's somewhat preposterous.
[03:05] <leftyfb> trism: yes, that's the first thing I tried ... because it's so intuitive. NO, I didn't try that! Who the hell comes up with that instead of just right-clicking a damn panel???
[03:05] <bandit3453> but its supposed to work ;)
[03:05] <Daekdroom> But it worked!
[03:05] <Daekdroom> Why the hell does it need Super?
[03:05] <bandit3453> why not
[03:05] <leftyfb> bandit3453: are you kidding me?
[03:05] <Daekdroom> Why not have it work the same way with metacity?
[03:05] <bandit3453> makes for some fun rants :P
[03:06] <trism> it is some conflict with compiz, I don't remember the details since I don't really use compiz, I agree just right click would be nicer
[03:06] <leftyfb> un-Fing-believable
[03:06] <leftyfb> trism: how do I fix it?
[03:06] <leftyfb> because that is severely broken
[03:07] <leftyfb> and while we're at it, how do I fix these asinine scroll bars with the hidden 1px activation area?
[03:07] <bandit3453> uninstall the scrollbars in synaptic
[03:08] <leftyfb> god, they've neutered ccsm as well
[03:08] <bandit3453> if you install the new version of ubunt-tweak it can do that for you
[03:09] <trism> leftyfb: here it is, untested by me though: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72308/can-i-disable-the-altwindowright-click-behaviour-for-editing-panels-in-gnome-c
[03:10] <bandit3453> any one know how to continue a git bisect?
[03:11] <bandit3453> stupid kernel bugs
[03:14] <leftyfb> bandit3453: how do you save your choices in ubuntu-tweak?
[03:14] <leftyfb> this thing has been neutered since the last time I used it as well
[03:14] <bandit3453> it does it automaticly i thought
[03:14] <leftyfb> nope
[03:14] <leftyfb> buttons still incorrectly on the left side
[03:14] <leftyfb> you know, for those windicators that never got beyond doodles
[03:16] <bandit3453> wow they changed it from the version before
[03:16] <leftyfb> yep, neutered
[03:16] <bandit3453> hmmm
[03:17] <bandit3453> you can always edit it by hand with gconf
[03:17] <leftyfb> I'm mainly looking for the scroll fix
[03:17] <leftyfb> the buttons I know how to fix through gconf
[03:17] <bandit3453> search for scrollbar in synaptic
[03:18] <leftyfb> heh
[03:18] <leftyfb> ALT kills synergy
[03:18] <leftyfb> useful
[03:18] <snadge> lol @ how to i make ubuntu like the old version of ubuntu ;) at least some people care enough to keep up the good fight.. stick it to the man!
[03:18] <bandit3453> liboverlay-scrollbar and remove them
[03:18] <leftyfb> :/
[03:18] <leftyfb> snadge: "how do I make ubuntu productive again"
[03:18] <bandit3453> and overlay-scrollbar
[03:18] <leftyfb> some of us use it for more than just facebook
[03:19] <snadge> eh.. i use unity.. im more productive than i was with gnome 2, or equivalent
[03:19] <bandit3453> hahaha
[03:19] <snadge> because.. i took the time to adapt to it, and learn its shortcuts etc
[03:19] <bandit3453> i say to use what ever works for you
[03:19] <bandit3453> some people like office 2007 and 2010 i cant use them very well
[03:20] <snadge> at first.. i whinged like a little girl as well.. and complained about people changing things that worked perfectly etc.. then i realised, nobody cares about me or what i think.. and i adapted to the new way of doing things, and ultimately have discovered why things have changed ;)
[03:20] <snadge> its just easier that way
[03:21] <bandit3453> if i wanted that big of i change i would have bought a mac ;)
[03:22] <leftyfb> snadge: some of us don't roll over and beg so easily when told you take it and shut up or leave
[03:22] <bandit3453> that being said unity is so much better than windows 8 its not funny
[03:22] <leftyfb> %s/you/to/g
[03:22] <snadge> well.. i hated unity at first.. then i gave it a chance.. now i see why its superior to gnome 2
[03:22] <thetinyjesus> unity is great now
[03:22] <snadge> theres no way i could go back to gnome 2 now.. its just.. i want to use a better word, but shit
[03:22] <micahg> ok, let's bring the discussion back to support please
[03:22] <bandit3453> i used it for a while and still did not like it but what ever
[03:23] <bandit3453> yes leftyfb keep it civil
[03:23] <bandit3453> please
[03:23] <leftyfb> micahg: this is support ... helping people fix their broken desktop
[03:23] <bazhang> snadge, leftyfb that is enough
[03:23] <jbicha> you don't have to uninstall the overlay scrollbars anymore
[03:23] <micahg> leftyfb: complaining about unity isn't support
[03:23] <jbicha> set org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars false
[03:24] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars false
[03:24] <leftyfb> jbicha: where is that setting?
[03:24] <jbicha> run it from a terminal
[03:24] <leftyfb> ah, right, silly me ... it's so obvious
[03:24] <jbicha> or you can find it in dconf-editor
[03:25] <leftyfb> removing the overlay-scrollbar didn't work anyway
[03:25] <leftyfb> and panel just crashed
[03:26] <bandit3453> thats the problem i have been having leftyfb the panel keeps crashing
[03:26] <leftyfb> yep
[03:26] <leftyfb> and the crash report thing crashed
[03:27] <leftyfb> ok, scrollbar fixed
[03:27] <snadge> that is kind of amusing, you have to admit.. apport-gtk crashing
[03:27] <leftyfb> now to try and fix right-clicking the crashing panels
[03:27] <bandit3453> i have not had any crashing panels since last update we shall see
[03:27] <snadge> the program that reports crashes.. just crashed.. would you like to report it? ;)
[03:28] <bandit3453> good one snadge
[03:31] <leftyfb> micahg: i'm not complaining about Unity. I'm trying to get help fixing my desktop
[03:31] <leftyfb> jbicha: any tip on fixing right-clicking the panels? I'd like to just .... right-click them
[03:32] <leftyfb> I don't see a need to hold down keys to right-click things
[03:39] <snadge> i gave up on gnome classic, when i realised that it simply wasnt.. none of the panel applets are there.. key behaviour like that has changed
[03:40] <snadge> and at the time, there was no compositing option.. im actually surprised that it works with compiz now
[03:40] <bandit3453> works with clutter and compiz
[03:40] <leftyfb> barely
[03:40] <leftyfb> I can't keep the panels around long enough to configure them
[03:40] <leftyfb> or fix the right-clicking
[03:40] <snadge> they may as well call it.. gnome pseudo-classic gimped edition
[03:45] <leftyfb> oh good ... now right-clicking the panel makes it crash with no recovery
[03:48] <snadge> unity fixes that problem by not having an editable panel at all
[03:49] <leftyfb> I'm not asking about Unity
[03:49] <leftyfb> you can stop suggesting it
[03:49] <snadge> you could try xfce.. that seems right up your alley
[03:49] <leftyfb> I'm not asking about xfce
[03:50] <snadge> pre-historic ugly looking desktop.. with old school functionality.. for people who are stuck with decades old computing paradigms ;)
[03:50] <leftyfb> you can forget about lxfe, kde, mint, cinnamon and centos as well
[03:50] <snadge> what about gnome mate.. i think that was created for people like yourself
[03:51] <leftyfb> or you could stop suggesting things I'm not asking for help with
[03:53] <bazhang> leftyfb, snadge lets stop this now
[03:53] <leftyfb> bazhang: I'm asking for help
[03:53] <leftyfb> Is that not allowed?
[03:54] <bazhang> bug fixing and testing, not ranting and arguing
[03:54] <leftyfb> I'm asking for help
[03:54] <bazhang> leftyfb, you're not being civil, thats the issue.
[03:54] <leftyfb> right, that's the issue
[03:55] <snadge> i was just trying to be helpful.. making suggestions in lieu of knowing an actual solution to his specific problem.. we havn't started calling each other names yet
[03:55] <bazhang> yet?
[03:57] <snadge> im assuming it wont devolve to that level.. neither of us appears to want to take it there.. hence its still civil
[04:20] <shaneo> can someone assist me please http://paste.ubuntu.com/894651/
[04:26] <bandit3453> shaneo, try again
[04:26] <bandit3453> it worked ok for me
[04:26] <shaneo> same error
[04:27] <shaneo> on any ppa i add
[06:19] <snadge> err.. why would i be getting "Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'"
[06:19] <snadge> f*** ;)
[06:19] <snadge> stop breaking stuff
[06:32] <tr0n> try set env term=vt100
[06:34] <snadge> i rebooted and the problem went away
[06:34] <snadge> maybe an update caused it.. could've been because i set term to ANSI earlier and forgot
[06:36] <tr0n> my vpn connections keep disapearing, any idea why?
[06:38] <tr0n> they arnt there when i boot, but if i disconenct and reconnect my wireless they appear
[06:38] <tr0n> it started happenign after i upgraded to 12.04
[06:39] <brent> using kubuntu 12.04, need help setting up bluetooth tether
[07:29] <topyli> my window decorations in gnome-shell are black. i wonder if it's a bug in shell, clutter, or X :\
[07:29] <topyli> or moon-buggy. how would i know
[07:30] <UrB> topyli: change the theme to something else from adawaita and then back - it "fixes" it
[07:31] <UrB> System->Appereance->Theme...
[07:31] <topyli> hrm i thought i did already. let me see again
[07:32] <UrB> of course it's possible you have different bug that just looks the same
[07:32] <topyli> oh it does fix it! previously i just changed the decoration theme in gnome-tweak-tool and that did not help
[07:32] <topyli> thanks a lot
[07:32] <UrB> np
[07:33] <UrB> it's still a bug, but I don't know either which component it should be assigned to
[07:33] <topyli> i suppose it's with the compositor, which would then be either clutter or X i suppose
[07:33] <UrB> it will do that again each time you restart the shell, but same workaround fixes it
[07:34] <topyli> i went to see if there's a shell bug reported about this, but at least the front page in LP is just full of crasher bugs :)
[07:39] <UrB> topyli: I discussed this yesterday @ #gnome-shell and someone said the latest version of mutter would solve this, but it's more recent than the on in gnome3-team ppa and I'd rather not activate the testing PPA, too much hassle
[07:40] <topyli> UrB: thanks. 3.4 is supposed to be stable in a week, i'm sure we'll be upgraded soon after that
[09:19] <psypher246> hello all, is anyone else completely locked out of unity and unity2d since last update today? upon login I get no unity, no icons nothing happens. I get apport crashes but even trying to get more info on that crashes apport. please help. thjis is the first time since precise development started that it's totally unusable
[09:23] <MCR> psypher246: I got the same problem, but since the Unity 5.6 0ubuntu4 update.
[09:24] <psypher246> MCR: anyu workaround to get back in?
[09:24] <MCR> psypher246: I solved (workarounded ;)) it by removing just unity - now I am able to log back in
[09:24] <psypher246> i updated 2 days ago and all was fine, then again today and all broken
[09:25] <MCR> psypher246: I am using Docky and Compiz in combination, so I can live without Unity for now...
[09:25] <psypher246> MCR: will it run as fallback gnome?
[09:26] <MCR> psypher246: Nope, the strange thing is: when removing just Unity the Unity session still starts...
[09:27] <MCR> psypher246: ofc you can use other DEs. Simply logout with CTRL-ALT-DEL and choose another DE.
[09:27] <psypher246> MCR: my only option in the login screen is unity 2d, looks like i can get into that now. looks horrendous though. only one launcher on my multy screens and the transparency is not working, but i can do my job i guess for now
[09:27] <MCR> psypher246: I am waiting for the next Unity update and hoping it will fix itself automagically...
[09:27] <psypher246> is there a bug report for this?
[09:28] <MCR> psypher246: I did not write one yet and I did not look if one exists...
[09:28] <MCR> psypher246: yep, Unity2d is not acceptable for Compiz fans ;)
[09:29] <psypher246> i must say a few days back unity 2d looked awesome, was running fine, very capable DE reoplacement, i was impressed, what I'm seeing now is obviosly buggy
[09:29] <MCR> psypher246: You can install other DEs as well...
[09:30] <psypher246> yeah for sure
[09:31] <MCR> although imho Unity/Compiz combo is the way to go (although I am missing dodge and minimize-on-click)...
[09:31] <snadge> dodge had to go.. i had to suck it up and get used to autohide as a compromise
[09:32] <MCR> Cannonical should read what their users want: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/unity-with-minimize-on-click-patch.html
[09:32] <psypher246> i saw that article
[09:32] <snadge> nah.. users should just accept whatever canonical does and understand its for the best ;)
[09:33] <psypher246> I like to think that they do
[09:33] <MCR> snadge: I can live without dodge ofc, but an option to still be able to use it would not hurt anyone imho
[09:33] <psypher246> what is dodge again?
[09:33] <MCR> the launcher just hides when a window touches it
[09:34] <psypher246> oh yeah
[09:34] <MCR> it was really nice and impressive as well...
[09:34] <psypher246> i show launcher always now cos the unhide feature is so bad
[09:34] <snadge> its an excellent compromise between always show launcher and autohide
[09:34] <snadge> i prefer autohide because its "cleaner"
[09:34] <psypher246> this having to apply pressure to unhide is not intuitive
[09:34] <snadge> and i like having a full screen browser window
[09:34] <snadge> without a dorky launcher next to it ;)
[09:35] <MCR> I prefer autohide now as well, but dodge was much better, because you could see the launcher and the info it presented in the case no window was obstructing it...
[09:35] <snadge> its not disputed that dodge wasn't useful.. the story goes, that the code was ugly/disgusting
[09:36] <MCR> and I never had any troubles with dodge...
[09:36] <psypher246> and you guys are happy with the way you have to unhide now?
[09:36] <snadge> and nobody wanted to maintain it
[09:36] <snadge> and there were bugs in it.. which were more easily solved by removing the feature entirely.. and cleaning up the code
[09:36] <MCR> "and nobody wanted to maintain it"
[09:36]  * MCR hates that argument ! :)
[09:37] <snadge> if it were just a half a dozen lines or something.. fine.. but apparently its hundreds of lines and all over the place
[09:37] <snadge> hence ugly
[09:37]  * MCR is developer of UFO:AI.
[09:37] <snadge> plus it was considered non intuitive.. for retarded people
[09:38] <snadge> ie the majority of ubuntu users ;)
[09:38] <snadge> if it makes you feel any better.. mark shuttleworth was among the people sad to see that feature go
[09:38] <MCR> snadge: it makes me fell better
[09:38] <MCR> :)
[09:39] <psypher246> well until they find a better way to unhide the launcher i'm sticking to always show. drives me nuts with 2 screens
[09:39] <snadge> having the launcher on multiple screens is a seperate issue.. lets not get the two confused
[09:39] <snadge> and that is also a contentious issue, but one which will at least be configurable
[09:39] <MCR> it is just that: My rule for development is: Just remove a feature if you have an equal or better replacement !
[09:39] <psypher246> yeah i know. i like having to launchers, but having to apply JUST the right pressure at JUST the right place is exteremly annoying
[09:40] <psypher246> two*
[09:40] <snadge> i think the "pressure" will also be configurable.. im not sure if those patches have made it in yet
[09:40] <snadge> ive personally gotten used to moving the mouse quickly if i want to transition between the two screens
[09:40] <psypher246> dunno what was wrong with just leaving the cursos in the right place for a millisec to unhide
[09:40] <snadge> which thankfully isnt that often
[09:40] <MCR> psypher246: I am quite happy then, that I am using just one monitor at the moment.
[09:41] <snadge> my preferable solution would be to remove the launcher from the second screen.. so that theres no need to have pressure to move the mouse between the two screens
[09:41] <psypher246> snadge: i turned the cursor lock thing sensitivy waaay down, that helped
[09:41] <snadge> but apparently other people feel otherwise
[09:41] <MCR> I used two displays on 11.10 (and will on 12.04 soon also) and beside having to make a special xorg.conf I had no problems whatsoever
[09:42] <psypher246> but why must i apply pressure on the screen with one launcher?
[09:42] <snadge> the short answer is.. you shouldn't have to
[09:42] <snadge> that pressure is there to make it easier to reveal the launcher on the second screen
[09:42] <psypher246> MCR: having special xorgs isn't user friendly when i switch between one and 2 screens all day
[09:43] <psypher246> snadge: i had to apply pressure on all launchers to unhide, so i turned unhide off
[09:43] <MCR> wait: I had troubles, because SDL applications (like UFO:AI) read out wrong info about supported resolutions and therefore it was impossible to start them fullscreen in 1920x1200.
[09:43] <MCR> Will this behaviour be better in 12.04 ?
[09:44] <MCR> psypher246: ofc it is not user friendly. xorg.conf is pure hell !!!
[09:44] <MCR> psypher246: http://b.dakko.us/article.php?id=142
[09:45] <MCR> :) - I agree 100%
[09:45] <psypher246> really loving the work being done on multiscreen support, bout time, but yeah only on nouveau drivers which has many other issues
[09:45] <psypher246> <3 XKCD
[09:46] <MCR> psypher246: so there is a chance dodge might come back if someone implements it better ?
[09:46] <psypher246> MCR: looks like unity 2d is running ok for now, so just wait for updates
[09:47] <psypher246> MCR: dunno, hopefully someday
[09:47] <MCR> psypher246: no compiz ? How can you live with that ?
[09:47] <psypher246> i am learning to code at the mo, python, doing the udacity online course, so maybe I'll code it someday :)
[09:47] <MCR> psypher246: YEAH !
[09:48] <psypher246> MCR: ah well i can live with having a working production pc, so compiz can chill for a while
[09:48] <MCR> psypher246: No chance for Compiz to chill out here ;)
[09:48] <psypher246> what de are you running now?
[09:48] <MCR> Unity without Unity ;) as I told you
[09:49] <psypher246> but .. how? i'm cobfused
[09:49] <psypher246> do u have the docks start at boot?
[09:50] <MCR> simply remove Unity after logging in to Ubuntu (CTRL+ALT+F1) -> sudo apt-get remove unity
[09:50] <MCR> and reboot
[09:50] <MCR> sudo reboot
[09:50] <MCR> the desktop is back :)
[09:50] <psypher246> but then i only have unity2d to choose from
[09:51] <MCR> no, because it will still boot to Ubuntu then...
[09:52] <MCR> you just need some good launcher like Synapse and something like Docky to have all the functionality you need to work...
[09:55] <psypher246> i can't seem to get the same thing
[09:55] <MCR> ofc I am missing all my indicators :'(, so I also hope some of the next updates will fix Unity...
[09:55] <MCR> psypher246: why not ?
[09:57] <MCR> simply start your Ubunut session, when the desktop fails to load log in to another session with CTRL+ALT+F1, then remove unity from there and reboot - the desktop will load again (without Unity this time)
[09:57] <MCR> *Ubuntu
[09:58] <psypher246> no it just auto logs me into unity 2d
[09:59] <MCR> oh
[09:59] <MCR> does not do that here
[10:00] <psypher246> ah it's all good, i like unity2d
[10:01] <MCR> okidoki
[10:02] <MCR> for me Linux without Compiz is no Linux anymore as those 2 go together 4 me since years...
[10:03] <MCR> can't live without my special compizconfig I am tuning since years...
[10:03] <MCR> ;)
[10:06] <psypher246> MCR: must say i stopped playing with compiz years ago. just deal with whatever is default. you must be happy then that canonical has hired the main compiz dev, can't see it going away soon
[10:09] <MCR> psypher246: The shock was that compiz.org seems to be dead and smspillaz wrote this: http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/apology-2/
[10:10] <MCR> psypher246: Now I am seeing the unsupported plugins package to be dropped and fortunately the extra plugins package still made it to the 12.04 repo.
[10:10] <psypher246> hmmm
[10:10] <psypher246> that is sad
[10:10] <MCR> yep, VERY VERY sad.
[10:10] <psypher246> although isn't the future using something like mutter which does not need 3d rendering?
[10:11] <psypher246> and port the compiz plugins over
[10:11] <MCR> Emerald (the compiz win-decorator)  is not maintained anymore as well :'(
[10:12] <MCR> psypher246: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[10:12] <psypher246> :/ ok
[10:13] <psypher246> brb
[10:45] <Fudge> hi just installed fglrx again and xorg is using 100 cpu, what can I do to see what the problem is?
[10:48] <Fudge> 25559 root      20   0 98.8m  11m 8580 R  100  0.1   2:36.66 Xorg
[10:53] <Fudge> anyone able to advise?
[11:35] <ant_> According to MyUnity, my 12.04 box is running unity in 2d mode, despite using the nvidia driver - is this common/likely?
[11:36] <Fudge> ant_  did you tell lightdm to use 3d?
[11:37] <ant_> Fudge, should I need to?
[11:37] <Fudge> would not expect to but you could try it, your ~/.dmrc states 2d?
[11:37] <ant_> no
[11:38] <ant_> just session=ubuntu
[11:38] <Fudge> you are using 3d then
[11:38] <ant_> "/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p" says lots of "yes"
[11:38] <Fudge> else
[11:38] <Fudge> it would say Session=ubuntu-2d
[11:39] <ant_> myunity says I am not
[11:39] <ant_> ps shows unity-2d
[11:39] <Fudge> many pids?
[11:39] <ant_> 2
[11:39] <Fudge> i dont know much about 3d, you could try running compiz and see if it works proerly
[11:39] <Fudge> properly
[11:39] <ant_> shell and pane
[11:40] <Fudge> i have 5 2d pids
[11:40] <ant_> hmm
[11:40] <Fudge> 3 gnome-sessions shell and panel
[11:40] <Fudge> grep compiz?
[11:40] <ant_> can you launch myunity without it complaining about 2d? Maybe it is a myunity bug
[11:41] <ant_> yes, compiz is running
[11:41] <Fudge> oh i dont use it sorry
[11:41] <Fudge> mate I would say you are using 3d, maybe someone else can help you more
[11:41] <ant_> I want to turn off the second launcher bar from my second screen - sounds like the bug may be in myunity
[11:41] <Fudge> 2d uses metacity, 3d uses compiz
[11:42] <ant_> metacity isnt running
[11:42] <Fudge> def 3d
[11:42] <ant_> I assume so - not sure how to see a 3d effect to prove it, but it sounds most likely that it is really running 3d
[11:43]  * Fudge agrees
[11:43] <Fudge> good luck
[11:50] <murrayc> Has something changed about locales in precise. In Oneiric, it was enough to set LANG (and LANGUAGE too) to make an app behave as per that locale. Now I notice that I have to set LC_TIME to really get the correct date formatting for en_GB.
[11:51] <murrayc> I know about the settings GUI that lets me specify the UI and regional stuff separately, but this is for some test code.
[11:59] <MCR> Fudge: Isn't gtk-window-decorator the default, not metacity ?
[12:00] <MCR> ant_: How about ccsm ?
[12:32] <scar3crow> appearance properties still broken...
[12:34] <glosoli> Anyone here who owns Asus Laptop ?
[12:49] <Dr_willis> asus makes a lot of differnt laptops
[12:58] <cryptotheslow> glosoli: yes. I have an Asus laptop. Anything more specific?
[13:01] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: have you got your ACPI key for Keyboard off working ?
[13:04] <cryptotheslow> glosoli: this model doesn't appear to have one. what key is it on for you?
[13:08] <MCR> Any idea why shutdown is not working here ? The computer does not turn off automatically...
[13:08] <cryptotheslow> MCR: does    sudo shutdown -h now   do the job?
[13:10] <MCR> cryptotheslow: I will try that later and report back to you - thanx for the tip.
[13:10] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: Fn+F9 which one you have ?
[13:11] <cryptotheslow> Fn+F9 disables the touchpad on this one (works fine). This is an X54H
[13:11] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: works fine out of the box  ?
[13:11] <cryptotheslow> yep
[13:11] <glosoli> ehh, good for you :)
[13:12] <cryptotheslow> everything did - wireless on/off, screen dim / off, sound etc.  It just worked. Guess I was lucky.
[13:12] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: same here, except touchpad :)
[13:13] <glosoli> that toggle off on
[13:14] <MCR> here the special keys on my logitech K260 keyboard/mouse combi also work out-of-the-box. Great job on that one !
[13:15] <cryptotheslow> I wonder where acpi events get logged - if at all :/
[13:16] <glosoli> MCR: seems like don't know anyone else with the same problem
[13:16] <glosoli> ;D
[13:19] <MCR> glosoli: you are lucky with your keys problem - I seem to be the only one running Ubuntu session without Unity ;)
[13:19] <glosoli> MCR: old computer or you just like feel classic ? ;D
[13:20] <cryptotheslow> glosoli: this may be useful https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting. fn+f9 makes sev give:
[13:20] <cryptotheslow> keycode 36 = (keysym 0xff0d, Return), state = 0x0
[13:20] <cryptotheslow> keycode 199 = (keysym 0x1008ffa9, XF86TouchpadToggle), state = 0x0
[13:20] <MCR> glosoli: nope, just Unity fails to start here, so I have to remove it to log into Ubuntu...
[13:21] <MCR> glosoli: problems suddenly started with 0ubuntu4 - black screen was greeting me instead of my desktop
[13:21]  * glosoli never got working Sleep or Hybernate for his laptop, only by editing some files, out of the box never works.
[13:22] <MCR> *Unity 5.6 0Ubuntu4
[13:22] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: hmm where do I put these commands ?
[13:22] <cryptotheslow> glosolio: note the killall in step 1 of that troubleshoot procedure doesn't work. You'll need to kill all the gnome-settings-damons by PID
[13:23] <cryptotheslow> glosoli:  I just opened a Terminal and went at it.
[13:23] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: But you said that everything was working for you ?
[13:23] <cryptotheslow> glosoli: Yes it is. I just wanted to see how you could detect what was happening and ended up there.
[13:24] <glosoli> cryptotheslow: aa, anyway I got that thing with touchpad working using one bash script
[13:24] <cryptotheslow> glosoli: good stuff. :)
[13:25] <glosoli> Yep hmm as kernel update came, thinking of trying Sleep
[13:25] <cryptotheslow> now I need to logout to my gnome-settings back working lol
[13:26] <glosoli> brb testing Sleep
[13:29] <glosoli> Hate that Suspend never works
[13:29] <glosoli> :/
[13:29] <Dr_willis> Sleep? i need more of that...
[13:29] <glosoli> I meant Suspend soryr
[13:29] <glosoli> sorry
[13:29] <Dr_willis> I never use suspend in windows any moar. Just to many issues..
[13:30] <glosoli> Never used that in Ubuntu either, but I am one of those people who want to have everything working, even tho never use it
[13:30] <cryptothesly> does suspend sort of work glosoli - but then halt with the screen backlight on
[13:30] <glosoli> cryptothesly: hmm same here, And I hear CPU working hard
[13:30] <cryptothesly> aha - I had that problem initially
[13:30] <cryptothesly> fans gradually ramp up to maximum?
[13:31] <glosoli> Yes
[13:31] <cryptothesly> give me a minute...
[13:31] <glosoli> I know a fix for that, but I hate using scripts for such a things which should work out of the box
[13:32] <Dr_willis> half the OS is bash scripts.. or python :P
[13:32] <cryptothesly> post #2 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1916751  fixed it for me
[13:33] <MCR> standby first worked here, but now when awaking the machine again the monitor does not get a signal and I have to use the computer blindly, which is not very funny...
[13:33] <cryptothesly> is it even possible?
[13:33] <cryptothesly> do you have braille output instead?
[13:33] <glosoli> cryptothesly: I used this http://thecodecentral.com/2011/01/18/fix-ubuntu-10-10-suspendhibernate-not-working-bug
[13:34] <glosoli> still works In Precise last time I tryed
[13:34] <glosoli> Dr_willis: yes it is +1 for python ;D
[13:35] <cryptothesly> glosoli: it appears to be the exact same script there :)
[13:35] <glosoli> cryptothesly: aa never checked, because found this one some time ago the first days with Oneiric
[13:36] <traubisoda> hi all
[13:36] <traubisoda> how can i manage 7.1 sound card in ubuntu 12.04?
[13:36] <glosoli> cryptothesly: I just found quite stupid in that blog to use 30GB partition for swap, seems illogical for me
[13:36] <cryptothesly> glosoli: fair enough, I only got this laptop in Jan and it went straight on Precise
[13:37] <cryptothesly> glosoli: yes that doesn't make much sense
[13:37] <glosoli> cryptothesly: He said for Hybernate, lol but even for hybernate 30GB for Swap.... :D
[13:37] <cryptothesly> glosoli: must have lots of ram....
[13:37] <glosoli> cryptothesly: 16GB
[13:37] <glosoli> cryptothesly: but how Hybernate depend on swap and ram difference ?
[13:38] <brendand> glosoli, because swap is where the contents of the RAM are written to
[13:39] <glosoli> brendand: hmm, so If I have 6GB Ram, 4GB swap is not enough for me ?
[13:39] <brendand> glosoli, no. it will definitely fail
[13:39] <glosoli> hmmmmm
[13:39] <traubisoda> anyone? is there any app that can manage 7.1 sound card?
[13:39] <Dr_willis> for suspend and hibernate - you want ram=swap + some more for swap i belive
[13:39] <glosoli> brendand: It might cause system to be slow???
[13:39] <brendand> glosoli, 12-15
[13:39] <Dr_willis> traubisoda,  clarify what you mean 'manage'
[13:39] <brendand> glosoli, what might cause the system to be slow?
[13:40] <glosoli> brendand: as me, having 6GB ram and just only 4GB Swap
[13:40] <ironhalik> currently, swap must be bigger then ram for hibernation to work
[13:40] <ironhalik> for me, at least
[13:40] <traubisoda> like i can set rear output to be headphone output
[13:40] <glosoli> ironhalik: so it might be that Suspend was not working just because I had not enough swap ?
[13:40] <brendand> glosoli, i don't think it will cause the system to be slow
[13:41] <glosoli> brendand: hmm Suspend was working fine before for me
[13:41] <glosoli> with that fix
[13:41] <glosoli> even hybernate
[13:41] <traubisoda> Dr_willis so i can use headphones and speakers at the same time
[13:41] <ironhalik> glosoli: suspend should work, its just hibernation
[13:41] <Dr_willis> traubisoda,  no idea. id check the askubuntu.com site
[13:42] <traubisoda> okay, thanks
[13:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: aaa, anyway, I never hibernate computer and to consider the fact that is was removed from precise as an option in GUI
[13:42] <ironhalik> glosoli: I think they will reenable it later
[13:42] <brendand> glosoli, suspend doesn't write anything to the hard disk. the computer is still 'on' to an extent
[13:42] <ironhalik> anyway, modern PCs use almost the same amount of power when suspended, then when hibernated
[13:42] <glosoli> ironhalik: might be hmm, I am looking forward for them to fix that Greeter disturbance of screen while logging in
[13:43] <glosoli> hibernated computer uses power ?
[13:44] <MCR> glosoli: yep
[13:44] <cryptothesly> yes. various components will still be active. Like the network interface listening for wake up packets ad such
[13:44] <glosoli> hmm never knew that
[13:44] <MCR> glosoli: turned off computer uses power too
[13:44] <glosoli> well yes
[13:44] <MCR> since ATX was introduced
[13:44] <glosoli> hmm
[13:44] <glosoli> Such Important thing I never knew :/
[13:45] <xus> hiya !
[13:45] <MCR> before (AT) it did not. Off meant a physical disconnection from power...
[13:45] <cryptothesly> unplug and remove battery to use no power :)  Not exactly convenient though.
[13:45] <MCR> yep
[13:45] <cryptothesly> I think my desktop PSU has a hard switch....  not that it gets used
[13:46] <glosoli> anyway, anyone else here get that LightDM problem when logging in Ubuntu and getting screen disturbance
[13:46] <glosoli>  ?
[13:46] <MCR> cryptothesly: another possibility
[13:46] <xus> i just did a fresh install of precise ..
[13:46] <Dr_willis> i get a small video glitz when lgging in via lightdm. but its just for a moment
[13:46] <xus> and it didn't ask me to set a root pw.. how do i do that lol
[13:46] <Dr_willis> there is no root password.
[13:46] <Dr_willis> !root
[13:46] <cryptothesly> glosoli: only a few seconds delay between the login screen being displayed and being able to use it - no disturbance as such
[13:47] <glosoli> Dr_willis: yes, that's the think I was talking about
[13:47] <glosoli> cryptothesly: Intel VGA ?
[13:47] <Dr_willis> i think its compiz starting up. but its not a big deal. :)
[13:47] <Dr_willis> i dont recall seeing it when booting to the lubuntu desktop
[13:48] <cryptothesly> glosoli: yes.
[13:48] <xus> thanks, was wanting to apt-get update and got stuck
[13:49] <glosoli> Dr_willis: big deal for me as It just says loudly "SOMETHING IS WRONG" ;D
[13:49] <dizopsin> hi, when I download and test the 12.04 beta now, I will be able to do a seamless upgrade to the released version later, correct?
[13:50] <cryptothesly> dizopsin: correct - just keep updating and you will end up with the same thing
[13:50] <dizopsin> thanks!
[13:54] <Dr_willis> i think somnthing is wrong when people need hibernate/suspend. :)
[13:55] <cryptothesly> I could happily hibernate for 6 months over winter.
[13:55] <glosoli> Dr_willis: hmm for example being in college, having not a lot of battery doing suspend until computer is needed
[13:56] <brendand> Dr_willis, well the problem with shutting down is you lose all state
[13:57]  * glosoli waiting for GIMP 2.7 repo to be updates for Precise :///
[13:57] <glosoli> updated"
[13:58] <Dr_willis> i think the apps should be saveing their own state. :) but thats getting into core differances in how stuff 'should' work
[14:02] <brendand> Dr_willis, yeah - unfortunately not everyone is Apple who can heap pain on developers
[14:02] <brendand> Dr_willis, and know they won't say a word just so long as they can continue to take their seat on the money train
[14:04] <Dr_willis> of course i dont do any 'real work' on computers any more. :)  so just fast boot times work for me. or looong uptimes
[14:06] <c0rnel> hello all
[14:06] <c0rnel> how can i upgrade from 10.04 to 12.04?
[14:07] <glosoli> brendand: Apple programs must remember it's last state ?
[14:07] <glosoli> its"
[14:07] <brendand> glosoli, iOS. not OSX
[14:08] <glosoli> brendand: aa :) I like their Xcode ;D
[14:11] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: Once 12.04 is released the upgrade path will be offered by the update manager if you have that notification option enabled. I don't think it is well tested as of now so may be a risky procedure.
[14:12] <c0rnel> cryptothesly, thank you we wanted to do it on a production machine :)
[14:13] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: eek! rather you than me. beta OS on a production box....  no thanks.
[14:13] <c0rnel> but it will be easier from 10.04 than from 10.10?
[14:18] <cryptothesly> 10.04 > 10.10 would be easier than 10.04 > 12.04. However that then removes your ability to use the LTS upgrade path 10.04 direct to 12.04, so you would then have to go via 11.04, 11.10 then 12.04. That doesn't seem sane.
[14:19] <c0rnel> all rgiht
[14:19] <c0rnel> thank you very much
[14:21] <cryptothesly> 10.04 > 120.04 will be a bumpy experience for many I think thanks to the nature of it. Be sure to backup ;)
[14:21] <cryptothesly> 12.04* :)  2120 is a long way off :)
[14:23] <c0rnel> cryptothesly, but, on a test machine, what can be done to make the transition now?
[14:25] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: desktop or server?
[14:26] <c0rnel> desktop
[14:26] <cryptothesly> Try running  update-manager -d  and see if it offers you the 12.04 LTS as an upgrade
[14:26] <c0rnel> it doesn't
[14:28] <Pici> c0rnel: You'll need make sure you have the latest packages for 10.04.
[14:28] <cryptothesly> hmmm...  give me minute while I fire up my other machine with 10.04 on it
[14:28] <Pici> (so make sure that you do a dist-upgrade first)
[14:29] <c0rnel> oh :(
[14:29] <c0rnel> the other guy in the semicube pressed the upgrade to 10.10 button :(
[14:30] <Pici> ouch.
[14:30] <cryptothesly> oops
[14:31] <c0rnel> sorry about that
[14:31] <c0rnel> i'll setup a different machine to test this
[14:31] <c0rnel> but this will take a lot of time ...
[14:32] <c0rnel> by the way, 10.04 will run on 128 mb of ram?
[14:32] <cryptothesly> get "the other guy" to do it :D
[14:32] <c0rnel> :D
[14:33] <cryptothesly> 10.04 might run in `128MB at a squeeze.  12.04 certainly won't if you then upgrade that.
[14:33] <c0rnel> even in text mode?
[14:34] <yofel> well, without X it'll probably work... but we were talking about desktop here
[14:34] <c0rnel> this is correct
[14:34] <c0rnel> but since i'll install something new, i can choose server
[14:37] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: depends what you are trying to achieve - it sounds like your test environment will end up very different to your live.
[14:37] <shaneo> can someone please help me getting weird errors when trying to add repos http://paste.ubuntu.com/895123/
[14:38] <shaneo> and not just that one repo all of them i try to add via add-apt
[14:41] <c0rnel> cryptothesly, sure
[14:42] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: for what it's worth - in update manager you need to set "Show new distribution releases: Normal releases" and tick the Proposed updates box in order for the 12.04LTS upgrade to be offered.
[14:43] <c0rnel> cryptothesly, thank you
[14:43] <c0rnel> i'll check it ou
[14:43] <c0rnel> t
[14:43] <cryptothesly> well now "the other guy" has upped it 10.10 you won't be offered the 12.04LTS upgrade I don't think
[14:44] <c0rnel> that's what i've heard
[14:47] <c0rnel> Pici, thank you
[14:47] <cryptothesly> I can't find minimum RAM requirements for 12.04 server. 11.10 server was stated as 128MB.
[14:48] <c0rnel> cryptothesly, i'd say 256mb may be a good guess
[14:48] <cryptothesly> aha - found it c0rnel - 12.04 server is also 128MB minimum
[14:48] <c0rnel> this is great!
[14:49] <c0rnel> i wonder how debian 7 would work on this under lower end machine
[14:49] <cryptothesly> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes#System_Requirements
[14:50] <cryptothesly> ask in #debian perhaps?
[14:50] <c0rnel> oh, sure
[14:50] <c0rnel> when time will come
[14:51] <c0rnel> i can't install them in the same time, this is no system z ibm mainframe :)
[14:51] <c0rnel> just an old and buggy laptop
[14:52] <cryptothesly> you should be able to partition of the hardrive and install there if space allows.
[14:52] <khamer> Hey, looking for help on how to rollback some updates; an update to libc6:i386 (from yesterday I think) causes one of my apps to segfault
[14:53] <khamer> I tried apt-get install libc6:i386=2.15-0ubuntu5 but it looks like that version isn't even available anymore
[14:53] <bazhang> khamer, there is no rollback
[14:53] <c0rnel> i have exactly to "big" partitions and to /boot partitions available
[14:53] <khamer> bazhang: downgrade then
[14:53] <bazhang> khamer, not supported
[14:53] <yofel> khamer: you could install the version if it's still in your cache, but otherwise no
[14:54] <bazhang> !downgrade | khamer
[14:54] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: ahh, the wonderful 4 primaries has been reached :)
[14:54] <yofel> only real way to roll back updates is LVM or btrfs (experimental)
[14:54] <c0rnel> yes :)
[14:55] <Glacee> There are a log of bug with swift running on Precise.. is there someone that I should talk too?
[14:58] <khamer> yofel, bazhang, thanks, I was able to do it but my app is still hosed
[14:58] <Glacee> openstack swift*
[14:59] <khamer> getting a SIGSEGV in vfprintf () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[14:59] <yofel> khamer: well, you can start by filing a crash bug with apport
[15:00] <khamer> yofel: the app itself isn't in the repos, and I don't think I can reasonably determine if it is libc's fault
[15:01] <yofel> khamer: well, can you pastebin the whole stacktrace?
[15:04] <khamer> yofel: http://pastebin.com/upX9Ckz6
[15:05] <yofel> hm, that's not enough debugging symbols :/
[15:07] <pg345> I get a message about tigon/tg3_tso5.bin missing when I try to install precise. This doesn't happen on oneiric and I can install just fine without it. Is there a way to preseed this away?
[15:14] <khamer> yofel: yeah, it's juniper's network connect vpc client, it looks like it was last updated in 2010 and something in the updates I ran this morning cause it to seg fault now
[15:15] <khamer> yofel: and its probably related to something with libc, and being a VPN, I'll probably have to ditch the beta on this machine if I want to use it
[15:19] <brobostigon> is it possible, to link the calendar dropdown, in unity's data time applet, to google calendar?
[15:19] <Dr_willis> id like that also
[15:23] <brobostigon> Dr_willis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleCalendarWithEvolution is apparently a solution.
[15:25] <khamer> Any other suggestions for thrashing to try to get a vpn client that's segfaulting working? otherwise I'll just have to boot back over into 11.10
[15:28] <bittin> Hello, somone else have more problems with fan noise in the Pangolin beta?
[15:30] <bittin> also my ALT + Tab don't work
[15:35] <cryptothesly> does nothing happen at all when you Alt+Tab?
[15:35] <bittin> no
[15:39] <cryptothesly> does Super (windows key) + Tab work? Should give application switching on the Launcher instead
[15:40] <bittin> nope
[15:41] <cryptothesly> hmm - if you just hold the Super key do you get the Keyboard Shortcuts guide thing display?
[15:41] <bittin> cryptothesly: nah but iam using gnome 3
[15:41] <bittin> not sure if that has with it to do
[15:42] <cryptothesly> bittin: Gnome shell rather than Unity you mean?
[15:42] <Daekdroom> ...
[15:43] <bittin> cryptothesly: nah regular Gnome 3
[15:43] <Daekdroom> What the hell is 'regular GNOME 3'?
[15:44] <bittin> Gnome 3 Classic
[15:46] <cryptothesly> bittin: ahh. I've no experience with that.
[15:46] <cryptothesly> sorry
[15:48] <cryptothesly> bittin: you may get somewhere using xev to see what keypresses are being detected.
[15:49] <c0rnel> bittin, fallback mode?
[15:49] <bittin> yea gonna try to fix my fan fault first thats more anoying
[15:49] <bittin> ancontrol
[15:49] <bittin> Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ...
[15:49] <bittin> Error: Can't read configuration file
[15:52] <cryptothesly> hmm, just tried it here.  /etc/fancontrol does not exist right after installing it.
[15:53] <cryptothesly> bittin: from man fancontrol: For  easy configuration, there's a script named pwmconfig(8) which lets
[15:53] <cryptothesly>        you interactively write your configuration file for fancontrol.
[15:53] <bittin> ah
[15:53] <bittin> tried this now: sudo /usr/sbin/pwmconfig
[15:53] <bittin> gonna reboot and see if it did what i wanted
[15:54] <cryptothesly> ok. Doesn't do anything for me - no fans for it to control lol
[15:56] <bittin> much better :)
[15:56] <cryptothesly> good :D
[15:57] <cryptothesly> This may be of some help working out your hotkey problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting
[15:57] <cryptothesly> looks tedious to me
[15:58] <bittin> and ALT+Tab works in regular gnome 3 =)
[15:59] <cryptothesly> what changed?
[15:59] <bittin> i booted out of fallback mode
[15:59] <bittin> becouse it works without that now when i got gfx drivers
[16:00] <bittin> but still fans is a bit more loud then before for some reason
[16:01] <bittin> but can live with that
[16:01] <bittin> and hope its gets fixed in Beta 2
[16:01] <c0rnel> hmmm, i tried to boot 1204 server and is notbooting
[16:01] <c0rnel> alternate boots fine
[16:02] <c0rnel> can i install server using alternate?
[16:03] <bittin> Ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 works better then i tough it would on this box :p
[16:03] <cryptothesly> bittin: I think you can alter fan controls behaviour in the config file. Use man
[16:04] <bittin> cryptothesly: will check into that later thanks :)
[16:04] <bittin> food now brb
[16:05] <bittin> wtf now they are silent as hell :D
[16:06] <bittin> seems it was Ubuntu One that used alot of CPU
[16:06] <cryptothesly> doing its job then :)
[16:08] <bazhang> !find konqueror
[16:10] <bazhang> !info konqueror
[16:10] <bazhang> K350, ^
[16:10] <K350> :)
[16:11] <K350> now when I'm here - there's no support for kde4-window-decorator in 12.04. I've to use gtk-window-decorator when I run compiz
[16:11] <K350> since there's no longer any support for compiz-kde
[16:11] <bazhang> compiz and kwin together?
[16:11] <K350> So if u use 12.04 with compiz you've to use gtk for window decorator
[16:11] <bazhang> kde4 has compositing already I thought
[16:12] <Daekdroom> Yes, it does, but I think he's after the compiz effects.
[16:12] <bazhang> ah ok
[16:12] <Daekdroom> Metacity has compositing too. :P
[16:13] <K350> no no  - if u want a window decorator  using compiz. you can only pic gtk-w-d. kwin is not a window decorator it's a mannager
[16:14] <K350> what's the name of the default window-decorator in kwin?
[16:14] <cryptothesly> c0rnel: yes. iirc the alternate install CD has an option for server at the initial menu.
[16:14] <c0rnel> hmm, didn't see it :)
[16:15] <cryptothesly> haven't used alternate for ages, maybe it changed.
[16:16] <c0rnel> i'll check it after this install finishes
[16:16] <yofel> I think you can get to the package selection menu somehow, or use the mini.iso/netinst, that always asks
[16:16] <ironhalik> hmm, how can I revert from nvidia drivers to nouveau?
[16:16] <c0rnel> yofel, i'll check that too, thank you
[16:17] <yofel> ironhalik: unstall the driver with jockey?
[16:17] <ironhalik> remove the drivers via additional drivers made the system work in software mode
[16:17] <yofel> *uninstall
[16:17]  * c0rnel thinks that remove nvidia drivers should do it, but doesn't know for sure
[16:17] <ironhalik> yeah, jockey failed me
[16:17] <alesan> hi, how can I install acroread and skype?
[16:17] <yofel> hm, removing the driver package and deleting xorg.conf should do it too
[16:17] <ironhalik> theres no xorg.conf
[16:18] <yofel> then check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the reason it's running in software mode
[16:18]  * c0rnel wonders what software mode means
[16:20] <ironhalik> it means it uses vesa driver
[16:21] <c0rnel> ah
[16:21] <c0rnel> maybe nouveau was blacklisted?
[16:21] <ironhalik> yup
[16:22] <ironhalik> some nvidia confs are still in modprobe.d
[16:22] <ironhalik> brb
[16:22] <yofel> removing the package should remove those
[16:22] <cryptothesly> alesan: you need to enable the Canonical Partner repositories in order to find skype
[16:22] <alesan> cryptothesly, oh it's not medibuntu?
[16:23] <ironhalik> yup, thanx c0rnel, im back to nouveau
[16:23] <ironhalik> probably should file a bug about this
[16:23] <cryptothesly> alesan, it might be there too, but I just enabled partner repos, did an apt-get update and skype is now available
[16:23] <alesan> ok :)
[16:25] <cryptothesly> oddly apt-get install finds it, but software centre doesn't.
[16:27] <c0rnel> ironhalik, i've met this bug before, fedora has a page about things that can be done to attempt fixing xorg problems, so i use that knowledge when necessary :)
[16:28] <ironhalik> hmm, Im tempted to try latest nouveau from xorg-edgers ppa
[16:28] <ironhalik> not sure if thats a good idea ;>
[16:29] <ironhalik> or how bad idea it is
[16:31] <spaceneedle> I've been having trouble logging on to unity 3d--nothing shows up. No launcher, no top panel, etc.   I typed unity --reset and rebooted. Now it's working tho wobbly windows is turned off.
[16:31]  * c0rnel thinks a newer nouveau can be better, but still can break things
[16:32]  * c0rnel has left the building, have a nice evening everybody!
[16:34] <Daekdroom> spacebug-, unity --reset is meant to reset all compiz plugin settings to default. So no surprise on wobbly windows turned off.
[16:35] <Daekdroom> Oh damn, tab autocompletion got me.
[16:42] <spacebug-> =)
[16:46] <preciseme> hi!
[16:46] <preciseme> hI! I've got 12.04 and i'm trying to install ia32-libs, but it fails complaining about this: http://pastebin.com/Wk1BuLvT
[16:46] <preciseme> what could i try?
[16:47] <bazhang> !find ia32
[16:47] <bazhang> ia32-libs-multiarch is the package name
[16:47] <preciseme> look at the paste
[16:47] <preciseme> i tried that too
[16:47] <bazhang> and?
[16:47] <preciseme> the output is pasted above.
[16:50] <preciseme> bazhang: it refers to "me having held broken packages"
[16:50] <preciseme> but it doesn't tell me which ones
[16:50] <preciseme> any way i could fix it?
[16:53] <preciseme> bazhang: i DO have libcurl3 installed
[16:53] <preciseme> i just removed it and reinstalled it
[16:53] <xus> far out skype is 22mb now
[16:53] <xus> i remember when a chat program over 2mb was considered bloat :)
[16:54] <preciseme> xus: the mac version is way more than that
[16:54] <xus> heh I guess that's something.
[16:54] <preciseme> but what else would you expect from the makers of kazaa?
[16:54] <xus> lol
[16:55] <preciseme> you know, firewall hole-punching code isn't light. :)
[16:56] <preciseme> bazhang: does that make any sense to you?
[17:00] <cryptothesly> preciseme: might have some joy with -  sudo apt-get install -f && sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update
[17:01] <preciseme> sounds reasonable. let me try that.
[17:03] <bittin> i don't like the purple gnome-osd
[17:03] <bittin> but i love all other stuff in 12.4
[17:15] <preciseme> cryptothesly: not really.
[17:16] <cryptothesly> oh well, worth a try :(
[17:16] <preciseme> i even ran a dist-upgrade in the meanwhile to upgrade packages held back
[17:16] <preciseme> but that didn't help either
[17:16] <preciseme> same message as before
[17:16] <preciseme> fsck
[17:16] <preciseme> well, guess ill have to wait till somebody fixes it
[17:18] <cryptothesly> that's assuming somebody knows about it to fix it :)
[17:18] <preciseme> eh
[17:19] <preciseme> i don't have an account on the bugtracker
[17:19] <preciseme> can somebody do that for me?
[17:20] <preciseme> *pretty please* ? :)
[17:22] <cryptothesly> hmm I just went to apt-get install ia32-libs-multiarch to see if I get the same....  it wants to install 238 new packages....  is that correct?
[17:23] <preciseme> not really
[17:23] <preciseme> let me pastebin it
[17:23] <cryptothesly> I'm going to get the normal updates out the way first I think
[17:23] <Pici> What architecture are you on now preciseme?
[17:25] <preciseme> http://pastebin.com/H33vnbyy
[17:25] <preciseme> thats my output, and my kernel info
[17:25] <preciseme> amd64 Pici
[17:25] <preciseme> i've got an AMD low power processor
[17:26] <preciseme> model name	: AMD E-350 Processor
[17:29] <cryptothesly> ohh oops - having applied regular updates, trying to install ia32-libs-multiarch no complains of dependencies on libglapi, libglu1 and libqt4....  with that "held broken packages" message :D  I broked it :D
[17:29] <cryptothesly> now complains*
[17:32] <Pici> preciseme: What does apt-cache say about ia32-libs-multiarch:i386 and libcurl3:i386 ?
[17:32] <Pici> *apt-cache policy
[17:37] <tarvid> 12.04 server install - screen goes blank after "Setting up the partitioner"
[17:41] <cm-t> hi, i am looking for specs of OneConf, if possible for 12.10 (Iam making a workgroup at school but we need a road); but I am  not sure to search well
[17:44] <tarvid> didn't wait long enough
[17:47] <tarvid> any software raid instructions for 12.04
[17:52] <cm-t> the wiki page says OneConf (last edited 2011-08-05 19:48:25 ) so it mean i should read all the changelog to get what it is done to compare what we can do for the while before next UDS?
[17:52]  * cm-t apologies for my english
[18:11] <manlymatt83> Hi folks.  I'm looking to install OpenStack Essex, which will be a part of of 12.04.  Now that OpenStack Essex is available in RC1, would it be best to run 12.04 and then upgrade to release when it's available?
[18:12] <cryptotheslow> tarvid, as far as I know 12.04 is still using the same MD raid setup as previous versions. So instructions for older versions should work fine.
[18:12] <manlymatt83> Will updating from beta1 to -RELEASE be possible?
[18:13] <yofel> !final
[18:13] <cryptotheslow> I really must get to know what bot has :)
[18:14] <manlymatt83> Thanks yofel.  How can I find out if any OpenStack Essex packages are available right now in beta1's ppa's?
[18:14] <manlymatt83> I know they did RC1 and I know it's supposed to be part of Precise.
[18:14] <yofel> !me | cryptotheslow
[18:14] <cryptotheslow> lol thanks yofel
[18:14] <yofel> :P
[18:15] <yofel> manlymatt83: you mean in the archive? searching through packages.ubuntu.com might work
[18:17] <cryptotheslow> !raid | tarvid
[18:17] <cryptotheslow> :D
[18:17]  * cryptotheslow stops messing around
[18:19] <Bluefoxicy> uh
[18:19] <Bluefoxicy> Sound Juicer no longer lets me rip to speex
[18:21] <Bluefoxicy> why in the living bloody crap is it every time I have a problem I can't find anything relevant on google
[18:21] <alex-> What are the differences between MATE and Gnome 2 in Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[18:21] <Bluefoxicy> am I just having problems nobody else has seen/cared about before?
[18:22] <bandit5432> Bluefoxicy, because google keeps changing algorithms
[18:23] <cryptotheslow> alex-, Ubuntu 12.04 uses Gnome 3, Mate is a fork and continuance of Gnome 2
[18:23] <alex-> Yes, but will 12.04 ship with Gnome 2 or MATE ?
[18:24] <cryptotheslow> alex- neither. It ships with Gnome 3 and Unity desktop
[18:24] <alex-> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/
[18:24] <alex-> cryptotheslow:
[18:25] <trism> alex-: that is gnome 3 fallback, not gnome 2 or mate
[18:25] <alex-> ah
[18:25] <alex-> but it will be like in 10.04
[18:25] <alex-> so no alt key
[18:26] <trism> alex-: no you still need to hold alt before editing the panel
[18:27] <alex-> what's different then?
[18:27] <alex-> when comparing it to 11.10
[18:27] <manlymatt83> yofel: perfect!  Thanks!
[18:27] <cryptotheslow> I think I will take that for a spin
[18:27] <Bluefoxicy> sigh.
[18:27] <Bluefoxicy> So how do you rip audio books?
[18:27] <jinjorge> bandit5432: did some searching last night and there is a bug in launchpad documenting the issue where log viewer does not launch from the menu option #958859
[18:27]  * Bluefoxicy usually uses soundjuicer to extract to speex but, well.
[18:28] <alex-> trism: ^
[18:30] <trism> alex-: it is basically the same as the version in oneiric, except indicator-applet is now in the repositories (needed a ppa in oneiric) and some theming tweaks, and of course a newer version of gnome
[18:30] <alex-> ah
[18:30] <bastidrazor> to file a bug for suspending failure after the kernel update.. that would be ubuntu-bug linux-image ?
[18:31] <Bluefoxicy> heh
[18:31] <Bluefoxicy> There's a book about Ubuntu that talks about Speex
[18:31] <Bluefoxicy> and it says "Really there isn't any reason to use it, even if you're ripping purely speech tracks from audio CDs"
[18:32] <Bluefoxicy> ... how about because I put 1 hour of speech into 90 megs with no artifacts
[18:32] <yofel> bastidrazor: ubuntu-bug linux
[18:32] <bastidrazor> yofel: thank you.
[18:35] <cryptotheslow> alex- well on first usage this Gnome Classic feels just like using 10.04 to me.
[18:41] <bandit5432> jinjorge, nice find
[19:03] <tarvid> !raid
[19:03] <xus> hmm something crashed unexpectently ! but didn't tell me what
[19:04] <xus> software centre... odd
[19:04] <alex-> ah
[19:08] <v0lksman> restarting networking throws a deprication error.  what is the best way to update network interface info
[19:08] <v0lksman> ?
[19:08] <v0lksman> 12.04 server
[19:15] <cryptotheslow> v0lksman, what's the actual error you get?
[19:19] <v0lksman> cryptotheslow: can't get access to it again and now rushing out of the office but it was running the command /etc/init.d/networking restart
[19:20] <v0lksman> it's just a deprication warning
[19:20] <cryptotheslow> v0lksman, sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[19:20] <MCR> cryptotheslow: Here to report that "sudo shutdown -h" did it's job :)
[19:20] <v0lksman> cryptotheslow: hrm...seems sketch from remote...
[19:21] <cryptotheslow> v0lksman, ahh....  troublesome if it fails to come back up for sure!
[19:21] <v0lksman> yep yep
[19:21] <v0lksman> not that restart didn't have its issues too
[19:21] <v0lksman> hahaha
[19:21] <cryptotheslow> eek
[19:21] <v0lksman> just seems more robust...hahaha
[19:21] <v0lksman> anyways...thanks...I'll use that for now or create a wrapper
[19:22] <cryptotheslow> MCR, good stuff.
[19:22]  * MCR never stops learning new stuff
[19:24] <cryptotheslow> MCR, does that mean that your menu Shut Down option still doesn't work right?
[19:34] <soee> hi, any ideas if there are some problems with latest kernel version in 12.04 ?
[19:35] <soee> i cant start mu system after latest updates (all works fine with kenrel x.x-18)
[19:41] <orcris> Is precise stable enough for daily use yet?
[19:41] <orcris> I'm thinking of upgrading, but I don't want my OS to break all the time.
[19:42] <glosoli> orcris: daily usage here
[19:42] <cryptotheslow> ocris, been fine here for 2 months now. Doesn't mean it won't break tomorrow of course. :)
[19:42] <orcris> Okay. Thanks.
[20:24] <itaylor57> i am still wondering why apt-get dist-upgrade removed my desktop yesterday, was scary for a bit
[20:28] <FernandoMiguel> itaylor57: you are a bit more seasoned member here :)
[20:29] <itaylor57> FernandoMiguel, yea but i have never had to reinstall ubuntu desktop before
[20:29] <ljt> i'm experiencing some kind of bug with gnome-keyring/seahorse where no passwords are being saved
[20:29] <cryptotheslow> itaylor57, inconsistent repository caused one of ubuntu-desktop's dependencies to vanish?
[20:29] <ljt> has anyone else experienced that?
[20:30] <itaylor57> FernandoMiguel, yea only a little more than 2 years on ubuntu, 26+ years on unix/linux :.)
[20:33] <FernandoMiguel> itaylor57: since 2006 on Ubuntu/Kubuntu devel cycles :P since 1996 using linux
[20:38]  * FernandoMiguel mumbles something about the stupid user test box
[20:45] <bittin> was trying to carry home a Sun Blade 2000 on the subway and failed so hard so i dropped it off in the bushes atleast got a hot usb mouse
[21:26] <aguitel> how upgrade to 12.04 from 11.10 with command line ?
[21:27] <red_one> Hi.
[21:27] <red_one> gnome-shell seems to be working a lot better in the last 12 hours worth of updates
[21:28] <red_one> (i prefer gnome-shell to unity)
[21:28] <red_one> is there a beta blog or twitter or something i can keep an eye on?
[21:28] <itaylor57> aguitel, update-manage -d in terminal
[21:29] <itaylor57> aguitel, update-manager -d in terminal
[21:30] <aguitel> itaylor57, RuntimeError: Gtk couldn't be initialized
[21:30] <itaylor57> aguitel, but you probably mean vial cli only , which you can't do
[21:30] <aguitel> itaylor57, why
[21:31] <itaylor57> aguitel, read http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/precise/beta1
[21:31] <itaylor57> it explains how to upgrade
[21:31] <aguitel> ok
[21:36] <aguitel> itaylor57, no upgrade appears
[21:36] <red_one> how often are the precise repositories updated? 24hrly?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> red_one, are you using a mirror?
[21:37] <Daekdroom> Mirrors are synced every 6, 12 or even 24 hours, I think.
[21:40] <shenra> guys i have problem with transferring large files from/to usb or partition and causing applicatiosn like firefox, libreoffice, and some others to hang or completely freeze during the file transfer but after the file transfer everything works fine.  is there a way to make applications more responsive while i am transferring files or do I seriously have to wait?
[21:41] <Daekdroom> red_one, the page regarding how to create a repository mirror says 'Please try to mirror about four times a day (so every six hours) for archive mirrors. ' So most of them should follow that.
[21:41] <Daekdroom> The country mirrors are enforced to follow that.
[21:42] <shenra> would this be a filesystem issue (ext4) or a kernel issue or both?
[21:43] <Daekdroom> shenra, it could be GVFS too
[21:43] <Daekdroom> (Gnome Virtual File System)
[21:43] <Daekdroom> Does CPU usage spike while you transfer those files?
[21:43] <red_one> Daekdroom: thanks, perfect.
[21:44] <shenra> initially yes, but then it falls to about 40-45% on my dual core and i can use some apps but i noticed others that tend to access the hd to load lots of files into ram it stalls.
[21:45] <shenra> like i was able to access system apps and calculator and such.
[21:45] <shenra> i can try to reduplicate it again and look for other stuff.
[21:49] <oconnore> After the most recent update, I can no longer alt+tab
[21:51] <shenra> Daekdroom: unless does linux have max load at 50 percent for dual cores instead of 100%?
[21:51] <Adys> oconnore: does it persist after a restart?
[21:52] <Adys> wm/lightdm restart that is
[21:52] <Daekdroom> shenra, it depends on the app you're looking
[21:52] <oconnore> Adys: yes
[21:52] <Adys> oconnore: what wm?
[21:53] <oconnore> Adys: Unity
[21:53] <Adys> oconnore: do both alt and tab keys work? :P
[21:53] <Daekdroom> shenra, for htop and gnome-system-monitor, an app using 100% means fully using one core.
[21:53] <shenra> Daekdroom: im looking at system monitor , cpu history
[21:53] <shenra> when i file transfer it uses both cpu2 s around 40-45%...
[21:54] <oconnore> Adys: yes, hitting alt+tab highlights the built in menu, but doesn't switch programs
[21:55] <Adys> oconnore: if you switch to metacity, does alt tab work then?
[21:55] <Adys> im not too familiar with unity but at a first guess I'd check config files. try moving .config/unity (or wherever it keeps its config)
[21:56] <oconnore> Adys: I can't restart right now, I will try that later.
[21:56] <oconnore> Adys: that's a good idea
[22:09] <oconnore> hmm, alt+f4 doesn't work either. It's still mapped in settings > keyboard > shortcuts, and both alt and f4 are seen by xev
[22:23] <ironhalik> anyone lost their user-wallpaper-in-lightdm thingy, too?
[22:31] <ljt> my seahorse/gnome-keyring is completely broken (passwords not being saved / empty seahorse keyrings) anyone aware of this?
[22:31] <ljt> seemed to happen after an update
[22:35] <oconnore> heh, this seems to have been a rough update :P on a better note, my previous keyboard lag issues seem to be fixed.
[22:35] <oconnore> such is life on beta
[22:38] <ljt> methinks I'll roll back to 11.10 and not be impatient!
[23:02] <oconnore> ljt: if it works for you, sure. For me, 11.10 is more buggy than 12.04 due to hardware support being better on more recent versions.
[23:02] <bastidrazor> rolling back.. does not exist
[23:06] <ljt> oconnore: heh fair enough
[23:07] <ljt> I can't face reinstalling 12.04 _just_ because keychains aren't working :(
[23:42] <xus> 1st day on 12.04
[23:42] <xus> quite a few crashes :l
[23:43] <log> xus: Did you report them?
[23:45] <xus> yup, all submitted
[23:48] <xus> well i clicked the submit report buttons :D
[23:55] <Daekdroom> xus, that doesn't do much. It's the process that comes after that matters.