[00:00] gnome-shell on mutter runs smoother :P [00:00] FernandoMiguel: this netbook has something really old, running on i915 [00:00] eeewwwww [00:01] FernandoMiguel: add to this a slow disk, and atom processor (single core 1.6 with HT) [00:01] Oh wow. [00:01] and it can't really handle all the stuff I have running ;) [00:01] well, even Firefox is enough to make it crawl if I start browsing too many pages at once [00:02] at least it has 2 gigs of ram [00:02] I have a Intel HD3000 and SSD :p [00:02] kklimonda, i forgot how much i hate building kernels [00:02] 8GBs :p [00:03] yeah, if my netbook had HD3000 and atom dual core I'd actually consider putting an ssd into it [00:03] HD3000 is not enough for a SSD and 8GiBs. [00:03] Im running on a 1.33ghz C2D culv [00:03] on a 32gig, compactflash, ghetto ssd [00:04] in place of one of those evil 1.8 inch drives [00:04] I'm running a Phenom II X4 820 with 4GiBs and a conventional HDD. [00:04] Probably 7200rpm [00:05] well, my desktop is i5-2500 with 4 gigs of ram and two disks [00:05] although 4 gigs is not nearly enough [00:05] it's not [00:05] so I'll be buying another 8 soonish [00:06] 4Gigs is enough for me Oo [00:06] Well, except for when I want a Win7 VM. [00:06] the dev machines I got my team, are i5, 8GBs and 1080p LCDs [00:06] I have to run VMs for work, and do a lot of building (sometimes inside VMs) [00:06] i want more ram :C [00:06] and i wont buy ddr2 because of the prices [00:07] I should really put two 7200rpm 1TB WD blacks into my desktop [00:07] and a single ssd [00:07] but damn, that's a lot of money :/ [00:07] Intel Core i3-330UM processor 500GB HDD @ 7200 RPM 8G ram [00:08] I think I can get away with this computer for another 3 or 4 years. [00:08] It'll definitely last longer than my last one. [00:08] Daekdroom, i hope that one would last for a while [00:09] needs more ram though [00:09] pretty much all my previous computers lasted for 3-4 years [00:10] my machines are 800€ DELL [00:10] after that they either die from overuse, or are just too slow [00:10] less 150€ for 1366 pannels [00:10] my personal dell vostro wass 450€ plus SSD and +4GBs [00:10] i got my mom a dell i5 quad with 8gigs of ram for $775 last year [00:10] I built my desktop myself [00:11] it's pretty much what everyone does in Poland ;) === log is now known as eating [00:11] My first comp unfortunately lasted 7 years. [00:12] side question how long does a kernel build take? [00:12] its been 12 years since i built one [00:12] til its done? [00:12] yes on a dual core rough estimate [00:12] bandit5432: an hour or so on a decent hardware if you build with distribution configs afair [00:13] but damn, last time I've built one was around 10.10 when I was hunting an audio bug [00:13] kklimonda, ok i hate git bisect [00:13] bandit5432: well, it won't take that much on the second try [00:14] bandit5432: most of if will already be built [00:14] kklimonda, i hope not but i have a way of breaking things so we will see [00:14] bandit5432: have you tried sending an email to lkml in the meantime? it may be that someone will see the problem without bisecting [00:14] kklimonda, nope but i might do that [00:14] there were only 50 patches or so between rc7 and the final release [00:14] 62 [00:15] and only a handful of them would have any effect on that [00:15] so they should stand out to people who are familiar with the code [00:15] hmm maybe i should have git bisect visualize first [00:16] what does it do? [00:17] i dunno linus says its the nicest tool [00:17] http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/git_bisect.html [00:19] git bisect find the change that introduced a bug by binary search [00:19] stupid me for wanting to burn a cd and use m$ beta antivirus livecd [00:19] i new i should have booted into rc7 this morning and not 3.3 [00:19] knew' [00:21] any one run 12.04 with gnome-panels? [00:22] not me :/ [00:22] i have a different question that i just remembered [00:22] i did see some screenshots of a "gnome classic" session so someone does ;) [00:23] mine keeps having errors on my laptop [00:27] hmm now my laptop wont even boot :| [00:28] Tomas Moniz [00:28] nite folks [00:36] bandit5432: what kind of errors ? [00:38] it randomly hangs when using gnome-panels and the panels become unusable killing them or ctrl+alt+bkspce works for a while then it does it again [00:38] observing something interesting lately when my pc running 12.04 randomly reboots [00:39] it wont finish booting right now so i am updating in rescue and will see if its acting the same when i reboot [00:39] anyone else seen something similar? [00:39] bandit5432: have you reported bug ? [00:40] glosoli, not yet i always ask first then report [00:41] are there any commands I can run to see the cause of the last reboot? [00:41] bandit5432: As I am not using Classic Gnome Session, can't test it for the moment :/ [00:42] glosoli, i figured that most dont use it any more [00:42] jinjorge: there should be some commands to get logs, forgot about them, you may try googling smth like "ubuntu check sys reboot logs" or smth like that [00:42] bandit5432: well unity became an interface for choice for many of us [00:43] glosoli: Thanks, will do [00:43] jinjorge: ah instead reboot -> restart, that would be the correct word [00:45] glosoli: ok!! [00:45] jinjorge, you can look in the log file viewer app [00:46] bandit5432: viewer app? [00:47] yes in its "log file viewer" hold on i will give you the terminal command [00:48] /usr/bin/gnome-system-log [00:48] gnome-system-log system log viewer for GNOME === eating is now known as log [00:52] bandit5423: Thanks found the app, but it does not launch [00:52] hello dudettes and dudes [00:52] does it give you an error jinjorge ? [00:53] bandit5432: nope [00:53] someone tell me the version of samba pangolin uses? [00:53] 2:3.6.3-2ubuntu1 [00:54] bandit5432:in Gnome classic, it's under Applications, System Tools [00:54] jinjorge, yes that would be correct you can also open a terminal and try and see if you get an error [00:54] bandit5432: I am just looking at the syslog using vi [00:55] bandit5432: I'll have to look into why log viewer is not launching later [00:55] very bizarre [00:55] very strange [00:57] bandit5432: nothing is logged in the syslog with regards to trying to launch log viewer [00:58] jinjorge, i dont hink it should [00:58] think' [00:59] bandit5432: ok [00:59] jinjorge, if you need root access it would show up in auth.log [01:01] bandit5432: launches from terminal [01:01] jinjorge, strange but at least its working [01:02] bandit5432: but not via the launcher(is that what it's called?) [01:03] jinjorge, i dont use the correct terms so I would not be the one to ask on that [01:03] jinjorge, i call it a menu and go from there [01:03] bandit5432: yes, at least it's working. I'll file a bug for failing to launch from the menu option/launcher or whatever it's supposed to be referred to [01:03] bandit5432: I appreciate your help [01:04] jinjorge, i would search for a bug first before you make a new noe [01:04] 'one [01:04] jinjorge, np [01:04] bandit5432: yes, was going to do that prior to filing. just stating ultimate intentions that way I don't forget :) [01:05] jinjorge, good idea i use sticky notes only way i can remember what i am doing [01:06] well that and i have 40 apps and hundreds of tabs open at a time [01:07] Finally finished a full update for 12.04 and most problems went away. It seems the rule of thumb , like in Windows, to CLOSE ALL apps while doing an update. I don't get as many errors. [01:07] bandit5432: :) signing out. catch you on here later [01:07] see you [01:24] where is the ubuntu package maintainer/creator/learning channel? [01:27] Hello guys, ive need help. When i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS i bootup via USB, all works fine till i get in narea to clear whole HDD and install fresh system. I got some Warning about /dev/sda msdos or something. [01:31] nope panel still crashes when loading synaptic [01:44] I've been unable to install Grub while installing Precise (LP: #899213) Does anybody know a workaround? [01:48] Hi. 12.04 will use kernel 3.3? [01:49] Faryshta, 3.2 [01:49] Daekdroom, what a shame. Thanks. [01:49] Not a shame at all. [01:49] We're way past FeatureFreeze. [01:50] And they need enough time to fix eventual new bugs that show up. [01:50] also 3.2 is an LTS kernel [01:51] speaking of new bugs, can anybody help me troubleshoot a grub installaion problem? [01:51] Daekdroom, micahg yes but as an android developer I would love some default support. [01:51] Faryshta: the kernel from 12.10 will be backported to precise [01:52] micahg, cool. By then I hope they get kernel 3.4+ [02:17] is it normal for a kernel image to be 600MG when built from git? [02:18] Can someone tell me why alt+right-click is not working on either of the panels in 12.04 fully updated and running gnome-panel? [02:18] try windows key+alt or the right clt key [02:18] right alt' [02:19] i've tried both alt and ctrl keys as well as the windows key [02:20] why the hell would they disable right-clicking a panel? Like it was "confusing" anyone. [02:20] dunno my panel keeps crashing so i cant change any-thing [02:20] bandit5432, did you leave debugging symbols enabled? [02:21] leftyfb, you getting any errors about the panel crashing [02:21] Daekdroom, i dunno will look [02:21] not yet [02:21] haven't got that far [02:21] it gave a nice dump last time but then said i needed to update [02:21] well my ssytem got borked [02:21] did apt-get dist-upgrade [02:22] removed alot of packages and now can't login [02:22] so am downloading image to reinstall [02:22] I keep trying 12.04 with different non-unity solutions to see if ubuntu is something I can keep using going forward ... and if it's simple enough, I might even get excited about ubuntu again and possibly even start advocating it again .. minus Unity of course [02:22] You could try reinstalling the ubuntu-desktop package from command line, itaylor57 [02:22] will try [02:22] leftyfb, i use it with gnome-panel and 11.10 is working ok but 12.04 the panel keeps crashing [02:23] is it true about gnome classic in 12.04? [02:23] johnjohn101: we're trying [02:23] johnjohn101: if it's true, I might stick with ubuntu [02:23] it's running, although severely neutered [02:23] what about gnome-classic in 12.04? [02:23] that it's easily reinstalled [02:24] sudo apt-get install gnome-panel [02:24] that worked in 11.10 dont know why it would change for 12.04 [02:24] They changed it so it looks like old Ubuntu instead of GNOME Shell. [02:24] There weren't even official indicators for it. [02:24] i meant that improvements are being made that it is basically the same as 10.10 or so? [02:25] Daekdroom: i am trying that now [02:25] my gnome-panel on 11.10 looks like old ubuntu or really close any way [02:25] I doubt they're improving it [02:25] gnome-panel on 11.10 and 12.04 looks the same [02:25] more like throwing their loyal followers scraps [02:25] it also remove alot like rythmbox etc [02:25] bandit5432, no, they don't. [02:25] i like the new unity better. [02:25] itaylor57: the default installed packages isn't a big deal [02:25] 11.10 didn't even have indicator-applet for GNOME Panel in the repos. [02:25] but I have to support my brother [02:25] i am using 11.10 to type this and i would have to disagree [02:25] 12.04 does. [02:25] a simple "sudo apt-get install " is an easy fix [02:26] you can install the idicator-applet from ppa [02:26] You could check all suggested and recommended packages for ubuntu-desktop and install them. [02:26] Daekdroom: so far I'm not able to bring up any menu's on the panels [02:26] bandit5432, which is not official. [02:26] Now it's in the freaking repos! [02:26] Daekdroom: you're complaining? [02:26] lol ok [02:26] and by default. [02:26] No, I'm not. [02:26] So does anyone know how to remove a library location from rhythmbox? [02:27] i run apps from 12-14 ppas so that is not a biggy for me also mediabuntu so all is good [02:27] I take PPAs with a grain of salt now, because once I used one I couldn't purge with ppa-purge. [02:27] And had to manually try to downgrade the packages. [02:28] that does suck [02:29] Daekdroom, for future reference if you need it dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq 'name.deb' [02:30] ok off to test my git bisect [02:30] Hello guys, ive need help. When i'm trying to install ubuntu 12.04 LTS i bootup via USB, all works fine till i get in narea to clear whole HDD and install fresh system. I got some Warning about /dev/sda msdos or something. [02:30] anyone had that prob? [02:30] ;d [02:31] whats the exact warning? [02:31] gimme sec [02:31] imma google it for u [02:31] test [02:32] Warning: /dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. [02:32] However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. [02:32] Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT [02:32] partition tables. Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now using an [02:32] msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table? [02:32] This one [02:32] And then i got Yes or No [02:32] well i got desktop back [02:32] But Yes & No not working at all. [02:32] but a whole lota stuff is gone now [02:33] itaylor57, install the recommends and suggests for ubuntu-desktop. [02:33] Unfortunately I don't know how to do that through CLI [02:33] yea i will check in synaptic [02:34] dbm what size is the disk and is it a fresh install [02:35] I got answer, [02:35] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+question/157152 [02:35] yay [02:35] Cheers [02:35] btw guys is it on 12.04 possible [02:35] to go gnome classic and edit all panels? [02:35] as u wish and hide that dock's? [02:36] Ubiquity's been failing to install Grub while installing Precise (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/899213) Can anybody help me find a workaround? [02:36] Launchpad bug 899213 in grub-installer (Ubuntu) "12.04 installation failed--grub install failed, locked /dev resource" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:37] anyone? [02:37] Dbm, yes gnome classic is possible [02:37] i am using it right now [02:38] Dbm, yes [02:38] ok great [02:38] thanks [02:38] jeeze .. they didn't even install gconf-editor [02:39] thanks for the choices Canonical [02:39] they havnt for a while [02:39] Alt+Right Click for the cool choices (Move/Remove), Dbm [02:39] gconf-editor is too much of an advanced tool. [02:39] Daekdroom: that's not working for me [02:39] Whoever needs it will know how to get it. [02:39] Daekdroom: not an adequate answer, sorry [02:40] What's not working for you? [02:40] gconfi-editor is REQUIRED these days because they keep removing all the features from the usual config menus/utils [02:40] apt-get install gconf-editor? [02:40] Daekdroom: alt+right-click is not working for me [02:40] use gnome-tweak [02:40] re-installed 12.04 many times [02:40] Odd. [02:40] gconf is deprecated I thought [02:40] bandit3453: also not an adequate answer [02:41] leftyfb, there has been constant issues with CD size. [02:41] Q: "This is broken/removed" A: "Use something else" [02:41] gconf-editor is nowhere near essential. [02:41] what is the question? [02:41] "Ubuntu is broken" A: "Use something else" is what it's starting to become [02:41] it's a constant fight to keep control of my desktop [02:42] i use gconf-editor all the time [02:42] whats the question? [02:43] I love how they hide the scoll bars ... "guess where you click to scroll??? We won't tell you!" [02:43] bandit3453: I'm looking for a way to re-enable right-clicking my panels [02:44] Well, what I remember from 11.10 is that there's a key you must press before right-clicking if you want to customize the panel. [02:44] Daekdroom: yup, as I've mentioned 4 times, ALT+right-click does not work [02:44] you're using gnome in fallback mode? [02:44] gnome classic [02:44] i am on 12.04 and to right click on gnome-panels i have to use the right alt key and right click [02:45] bandit3453: you mentioned gnome-tweak .. looks like that's only for gnome shell. Did you mean ubuntu tweak? [02:45] thats where that applies.. regular gnome-shell and unity doesnt allow you to click to add/customise the indicator panel [02:45] now it left alt key [02:45] bandit3453: that's not working for me [02:46] i prefer it that way.. if you really want to use gnome 2.. just use centos ;) [02:46] snadge: or you could provide useful comments [02:46] leftyfb, yes ubuntu tweak [02:46] that is a useful comment [02:46] you're whinging about the classic desktop.. which nobody cares about [02:46] snadge: no, it's an ignorant comment [02:46] Oh wow. [02:46] snadge: which YOU don't care about [02:46] leftyfb, try killing panel and trying again [02:46] I tested it in the guest user and it didn't work for me either. [02:46] bandit3453: I've reinstalled 12.04 3 times [02:47] but did you update it after you installed? [02:47] right.. and the useful part of my comment is that EL still cares about gnome 2.. so if you really want a classic desktop, you could use it instead.. i dont see how thats ignorant [02:47] bandit3453: it's installed from PXE [02:47] or you could use an older version of ubuntu [02:47] leftyfb, I found out what it is. [02:47] Compiz! [02:47] It works ok with metacity. [02:48] Daekdroom: compiz isn't installed at the moment [02:48] then I don't know what the hell. [02:48] But using metacity made it work for me [02:48] oh wait [02:48] I take that back [02:48] looks like it is using compiz [02:48] ok, so let me look at ccsm ... maybe it's something I can enable there [02:48] bandit3453: ubuntu tweak won't install on 12.04 [02:48] gnome classic uses compiz? whut? [02:48] I'd report a bug [02:49] i thought it was supposed to use metacity [02:49] Daekdroom: useless [02:49] snadge, for effects, yes. But it can use metacity too. [02:49] leftyfb, that's a very nice mentality for a Ubuntu user. [02:49] leftyfb, what i have it open right now [02:49] Daekdroom: i've reported plenty of bugs over the past 5 years of using an advocating ubuntu. Every single one was ignored until someone else reported the same thing in a report they just created after mine ... then my bug report was marked as a duplicate and closed [02:50] ubuntu tweak does work on 12.04 [02:50] i used to get my knickers in a twist about classic gnome being deprecated.. then i stopped caring.. makes it a lot easier.. i use unity now, its great ;) [02:50] Daekdroom, thanks for the info on getting my desktop back, saved me reinstalling [02:50] itaylor57, you're welcome [02:51] bandit3453: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kTZVv9pn [02:51] bah, hold on [02:51] damn typos [02:52] i am using 0.7.0-0~bzr1724+20120321~oneiric1 [02:52] from a PPA? [02:52] yes [02:53] i always test my system the way it will be used including adding the ppa's that i use [02:53] that's what I'm trying to do [02:53] starting with right-clicking my panels [02:53] you know, the highly advanced "feature" that confuses the common folk [02:54] make sure that you are up to date what version of panels do you have? [02:54] and is this a fresh home dir? [02:54] bandit3453: fresh install completely [02:54] I'm sad that Super+D is gone. I used that a lot in 11.04 [02:54] only change was sudo apt-get install gnome-panel [02:54] ryanprior, CRTL + ALT + D [02:54] ryanprior: what's that do? [02:54] I think you can change it. [02:55] leftyfb: ctrl+alt+d to find out :-) [02:55] Huh.. Yes. You can. It's even in the control panel! [02:56] Where in the control panel? [02:56] leftyfb, did you log in with gnome-classic with what ever its called or old one? [02:56] gnome classic [02:56] ryanprior, 'Hardware', Keyboard or something. [02:56] I'm not using it in English. [02:56] bandit3453: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/gnome-classic-in-ubuntu-12-04-its-like-nothing-ever-changed/ [02:56] you're probably going to see a few people coming here from that site [02:57] I see that switching it to Super+D makes it use the same buggy behaviour as 11.04, which I reported when 11.04 came out. Sigh, time to find that bug and update it. [02:57] bandit3453: which ppa are you using for ubuntu tweak? The one from their site only installs 0.6 [02:57] leftyfb, i am using the http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/next/ubuntu one [02:57] :/ [02:57] I hope they didn't just switch it to ctrl+alt+d because they decided it wasn't worth fixing. [02:57] same here [02:58] ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache policy ubuntu-tweak [02:58] ubuntu-tweak: [02:58] Installed: 0.6.1-1~precise1 [02:58] Candidate: 0.6.1-1~precise1 [02:58] Version table: [02:58] *** 0.6.1-1~precise1 0 [02:58] 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages [02:58] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [02:58] leftyfb: pastebin [02:58] i am not using precise [02:58] ppa [02:59] use https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/next [02:59] or ppa:tualatrix/next [03:00] and try loging into gnome classic without effects [03:01] no thanks [03:01] I actually use compiz features [03:01] productively [03:01] bug #961850 [03:01] Launchpad bug 961850 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "Gnome-panel is not customizable when using compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/961850 [03:01] I'm not sure whether I should have reported that against GNOME Panel instead of Compiz, but, meh.. [03:02] It'd be cool if someone clicked in "This bug affects me too." [03:03] i dont use compiz sorry [03:03] i do need some pointers on how to finish this bisect that i am in the middle of [03:03] I see what you mean. I never click there unless I'm actually affected by it. [03:04] have you tried alt+super+right click? [03:05] That's somewhat preposterous. [03:05] trism: yes, that's the first thing I tried ... because it's so intuitive. NO, I didn't try that! Who the hell comes up with that instead of just right-clicking a damn panel??? [03:05] but its supposed to work ;) [03:05] But it worked! [03:05] Why the hell does it need Super? [03:05] why not [03:05] bandit3453: are you kidding me? [03:05] Why not have it work the same way with metacity? [03:05] makes for some fun rants :P [03:06] it is some conflict with compiz, I don't remember the details since I don't really use compiz, I agree just right click would be nicer [03:06] un-Fing-believable [03:06] trism: how do I fix it? [03:06] because that is severely broken [03:07] and while we're at it, how do I fix these asinine scroll bars with the hidden 1px activation area? [03:07] uninstall the scrollbars in synaptic [03:08] god, they've neutered ccsm as well [03:08] if you install the new version of ubunt-tweak it can do that for you [03:09] leftyfb: here it is, untested by me though: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72308/can-i-disable-the-altwindowright-click-behaviour-for-editing-panels-in-gnome-c [03:10] any one know how to continue a git bisect? [03:11] stupid kernel bugs [03:14] bandit3453: how do you save your choices in ubuntu-tweak? [03:14] this thing has been neutered since the last time I used it as well [03:14] it does it automaticly i thought [03:14]