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czajkowski<--- sleep00:05
bkerensaPendulum: UDS will be fun :D00:11
mhall119so an FB post about unity garners a bunch of "Unity sucks, bring back classic gnome!" comments00:43
mhall119an FB post on bringing back the classic gnome garners a bunch of "Unity sucks"00:43
mhall119I bet if we totally got rid of Unity, the comment threads would just be "sucks!"00:44
pangolin3 posts on IRC about Unity/FB gets you nothing00:48
pangolin:P00:48
mhall119thus restoring my faith in IRC00:50
pangolinI just g+rolled you :)00:52
jcastromhall119, it's ok I get unity trolling on server posts too00:53
jcastroit's the way of the internet00:53
* mhall119 kicks pangolin 00:56
pangolin:(00:57
mhall119pangolin: it's funny because that template matches most of the negative comments I've seen on Windows 8 and Metro (also most that I saw for Vista and 7)00:57
pangolinhere i thought you were one of the nice people00:57
mhall119who lied and told you that?00:57
mhall119it was jcastro wasn't it00:57
pangolinI think it was jono00:58
pangolincould have been jcastro00:58
mhall119close enough00:58
jcastroit certainly wasn't me00:58
jcastromhall is my pupil of cynicism and snark00:58
mhall119you make me sound like some evil jedi apprentice00:59
* mhall119 is certainly no jedi01:00
nigelbmhall119 is unity skywalker :D01:06
greg-gjcastro: the initial request is slow, but the load is decently fast, given all the shit OMG! has01:23
jcastroyeah we're not close to optimizing01:24
jcastrobut it's still like so much nicer than what he had before01:25
jcastrothis is 3 nginx load balanced mediums and a mysql small01:25
jcastrogreg-g, there's a lot of junk plugins and stuff we can cut out01:26
mhall119jcastro: what's the bottleneck?01:26
jcastrojust tweaking the load balancing01:26
jcastromhall119, it's complicated, but seems it was apache01:27
mhall119jcastro: cpu, memory, io?01:27
jcastrobut still, it's hard until we dig more, which we will in step 201:27
jcastroit was hosing CPUs01:27
jcastrobut now we're caching01:27
jcastroand the site was much, much, much busier than I ever imagined01:27
mhall119hosing 3 medium CPU? wow01:28
jcastrooh no no01:28
jcastroall 3 are 99% idle right now01:28
mhall119so it's the load balancer?01:28
jcastroeach node load balances without a load balancing node01:28
jcastroit's some nginx thing I didn't even know existed01:28
jcastroeach time you add unit they just load balance themselves01:29
jcastroanyway all that is working fine now except one node isn't caching01:29
jcastrothe problem before this setup was apache just maxing out01:29
mhall119but when  it was apache, it was hammering the haproxy or webserver cpus?01:29
jcastrothe webserver one01:29
jcastroI can't explain it in the detail you need though, once they're done we'll write it up01:30
mhall119ok01:30
jcastroanyway TL;DR. 3 mediums and one small01:30
jcastroso down to like 15 bucks a day01:30
jcastroinstead of like, 8501:30
mhall119better, still not cheap though, how does that compare to their previous hosting cost?01:30
jcastroWe're about $100 over01:31
jcastrobut this is just the "get off the xlarges now."01:31
jcastrowe can cut a ton more out after01:31
jcastrosince we can redeploy like, easily now01:31
mhall119I bet joey is happy about that01:32
jcastroand the charm is like, putting db snapshots for backups on s3 for him, etc.01:32
jcastroit'll be nice01:32
mhall119jcastro: for me, the selling point for the cloud is that you *can* experiment with an alterate setup for a high-traffic site, and it only costs you about $20.01:45
jcastroadd another 0.01:47
jcastro:)01:47
jcastroif I knew what I was doing01:47
jcastroyou can start will all micros01:48
jcastrothe nice thing is with the charm you can iterate on your laptop too01:48
jcastrothen push out01:48
jcastroso you can code, test, code, test, code, test. All on your laptop01:48
jcastrojust how it will deploy in the cloud01:48
jcastrowithout running up the meter01:48
jcastromhall119, see G+, I linked the bzr branches01:52
mhall119G+ where?01:56
jcastromy call for testing post01:58
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dholbachGuten Morgen Berlin! :)07:46
dholbachgood morning07:46
nigelbHi dholbach!07:48
dholbachhi nigelb07:48
czajkowskialoha08:16
jalcineG'marning New York City :)08:26
jalcineI shouldn't be up08:26
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mhall119morning12:10
* czajkowski tickles mhall119 herrro 12:10
mhall119gah,  what?12:11
mhall119what'd I do?12:11
czajkowskinada12:14
mhall119:)12:14
mhall119brb, coffee is ready12:15
nigelbhttp://epicpullrequests.tumblr.com/12:33
mhall119nigelb: the non-rhyming Dr. Seuss one makes my eye twitch12:51
nigelbmhall119: that almost rhymed there.12:51
mhall119no it didn't12:51
AlanBellcan you do better?12:51
mhall119I can not try, which makes me less twitchy12:52
jcastromhall119, how's it running now? the only thing that should be busted is broken images every 3 refreshes or so12:53
mhall119jcastro: didn't the have an ad running across the top of the page?12:55
jcastroyeah some js hosting issues13:08
jcastronot all of it is in s3, we need to put it there13:08
mhall119Why is it that both dogs insist on laying *on* me when I'm working?13:38
Pendulummhall119: because they want you to know you're loved13:41
Pendulumalthough I'm trying to imagine both of them lying on you at once and failing13:41
mhall119Pendulum: they, however, are not failing13:42
mhall119through at least the labrador got down13:43
Pendulumwell Lucy's so small she can't be that much of a bother then13:43
mhall119true, but she lays on my arm, which makes typing and mousing hard13:44
Pendulumah, yes. the "I'm going to lie where it's going to prevent you from moving so that you have to pay attention to me" position13:47
mhall119exactly13:49
nigelbheh13:50
jcastronigelb, how's omg's performance over where you are?14:23
jcastromhall119, how about you? It should be liquid fast right now14:23
nigelbchecking14:23
nigelbhit the main site or staging?14:23
mhall119jcastro: everything is looking good14:23
mhall119they have so much 3rd party javascript though :(14:24
nigelbLooks good.14:24
jcastroI know14:24
jcastroHe needs a plugin and js review something fierce14:25
jcastromhall119, 3 mediums also overkill14:25
jcastrowe can probably go down to two smalls14:25
jcastromhall119, blogging now, linking the charm so you can see the nginx setup14:25
mhall119jcastro: he could also use Exprires: headers on his js and css to stop the browser from asking about them every time14:25
jcastroah, let me tell marco14:29
marcoceppijcastro: marco is here14:29
marcoceppimhall119: Can you set headers from s3? Because that's where all the files are being served for js/etc14:30
jcastrooh14:30
jcastroAlanBell, ok down to 3 mediums and 2 smalls, next stop, two-small city.14:31
AlanBellwhohoo14:31
jcastrowe were going to go with 2 mediums but I was scared so went with 314:33
AlanBellit is pushing a lot of bandwidth, but as the comments are offloaded to disqus I would think the transactional load would be less than most normal blogs14:34
AlanBellwhat is the $/hour now?14:35
jcastro.6414:37
jcastrothe price of one xlarge, heh14:37
jcastrowe could probably easily drop one medium right now actually14:38
jcastromarcoceppi, but the magic scares me14:38
jcastroI am having a hard time fathoming how he could have survived release-time loads on that box he had.14:39
cjohnstonluck14:39
marcoceppijcastro: we can always put the medium back if it's too much14:39
jcastroI bet that machine was at like, load 70 for days on end, hah14:39
marcoceppiwe're charmed and ready to roll out add-unit remove-unit, it's childs play14:39
jcastromarcoceppi, sure, but let's do it when clint's around14:39
mhall119jcastro: if memory serves, he didn't always survive release time traffic14:39
marcoceppihah, yeah :)14:40
jcastroI don't think we've ever seen this working live14:40
jcastroit'll be slick14:40
marcoceppijcastro: oh, the add-unit stuff works14:40
jcastro\o/14:40
marcoceppibefore we pointed the ip yesterday we only had two mediums, we added one right before we pointed the ip14:40
marcoceppiit'd still be nice to have clint on hand14:42
popeyjcastro: he didnt survive really14:46
popeythe box got the absolute nuts kicked out of it14:46
popeyload average was off the scale14:46
jcastrosuck14:49
jcastromhall119, shifting gears14:49
jcastromarianna is asking about the guidebook14:50
bkerensagood morning14:52
mhall119jcastro: what about it?14:53
jcastromhall119, ah she couldn't find the barcode, I got it.14:54
jcastroshe was wondering if the instructions are the same14:54
jcastroand afaict they are.14:54
mhall119as far as I know, yes14:55
jcastrodid we have a quickURL for the QR code, do you remember?14:55
mhall119no, we were given a QRcode image14:56
mhall119IIRC, cjohnston has added a field for the image url in the database14:56
bkerensamhall119: when do tracks usually go up?14:56
mhall119bkerensa: usually whenever jcastro put them up14:57
mhall119but I get the feeling I'll be doing that this time14:57
mhall119which makes it kind of unusual14:57
cjohnstonyes...14:57
cjohnstonjcastro: can we talk about not paying for guidebook since Aq made the site mobile friendly?14:58
cjohnston:-)14:58
mhall119mobile friendlier14:58
mhall119it's still got a way to go before we're replacing Guidebook14:58
cjohnstonok.. what he said14:58
jcastrook so the one issue14:59
mhall119it's something we can discuss at UDS though14:59
jcastrois which QR code to use14:59
jcastrodoes anyone have the one we used in orlando handy?14:59
cjohnstonno14:59
mhall119jcastro:  think so15:00
bkerensajcastro: uhh do you by chance know what the omg backend url is anymore? can you ping it to me15:01
bkerensa:D15:01
bkerensaI need to post something :P15:01
jcastrowe are working on that now, you'll need to standby a bit15:01
jcastroor talk to joey to have him post it15:01
jcastrowordpress admin panel doesn't like 3 nodes and stuff.15:02
bkerensaahh I found it15:02
bkerensa:D15:02
mhall119jcastro: I think http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/guidebook_125.png is the one we used for UDS-P15:02
bkerensaI love that we are shipping a music player in 12.04 that freezes for a few minutes on launch :)15:05
jcastromhall119, iirc we had a canonical place on summit.u.c with the URL15:08
jcastrocjohnston, ? ^15:08
mhall119jcastro: for the image?15:08
cjohnstonno idea15:09
jcastroyeah15:09
technovikingjcastro: have time chat in the next couple of days15:09
jcastrotechnoviking, any day but today, unless you're blocked15:09
technovikingHow would tomorrow at 3pm EST be?15:10
mhall119jcastro: it used to be we had one qrcode for the entire site15:11
jcastrosure, I'll know in an hour or two how I'm going today15:11
mhall119cjohnston expanded that to let us use per-summit images15:11
jcastrook so for the QR code on the printed badge15:11
jcastrothat should be the guidebook one right?15:12
mhall119jcastro: that's what we did in -P right?15:12
jcastroI believe so15:13
jcastroit makes sense15:13
cjohnstonDaviey:  your killing me with the spam! :-)16:00
nigelbDaviey: good job :D16:03
* cjohnston smacks nigel with summit16:04
cjohnstonnigelb:  can you change tarmac to 15 minutes and have it email me when there are issues preventing a merge16:05
nigelbcjohnston: yes for the first, no for the second.16:06
nigelbI don't run a mail daemon there yet.16:06
nigelbI can set it up tomorrow morning if you remind me.16:06
cjohnstonis there any way I can know about issues16:06
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greg-gjcastro: yo, jsalisbury is the IRC name of the guy helping with the x220 wifi issue?17:52
greg-gjcastro: I'm having issues with my x220 on Oneiric with the latest kernel update, wondering if related17:52
popeyyes17:52
greg-gseems to not be online...17:53
* greg-g shrugs17:53
jcastrogreg-g, he's responsive in the bug. It might be worth seeing if you can run that kernel in 11.1017:58
greg-gjcastro: k. lemme restart (I have a recent kernel upgrade) and confirm everything before I muddy up the waters on that bug.18:00
bkerensa:( I need to find a new printer... when I put new ink cartridges in it never realizes such and says I am low and nobody refills ink for my Canon =/18:00
popeyI wont buy anything but HP these days for printers18:08
cprofittpopey: why?18:09
popeyall other printers suck18:09
mhall119printers are one consumer technology that just hasn't keptup18:09
cprofittpopey: +118:09
cprofittwasn't sure if that was the reason or not18:09
popeyprinters are merely devices for causing pain18:09
popeythey also sometimes print stuff18:10
snap-lI really like my Brother Multifunction printer18:16
snap-lIt's a laser printer, and has Linux support18:17
popeyany printer which requires me to unpack an rpm is not a printer, it is a travesty18:17
mhall119snap-l: I tried to set one of those up on my Dad's XP laptop, good god what a pain that was18:17
snap-lHad a Samsung prior to that which worked pretty well too18:17
snap-lpopey: You only need drivers for Network Scanning. ;)18:17
popeyhere's what happened when I bought my HP Officejet 6310 All-In-One printer/scanner/copier/fax.18:18
snap-lmhall119: Their Windows drivers are pretty special, yes.18:18
popey1. get it out of the box18:18
mhall119then again, I took his old Brother HL-1440 home, plugged it into the kids' Ubuntu 10.04 machine, and it just worked18:18
popey2. Plug it in.18:18
popey3. print stuff18:18
mhall119didn't have to do anything but plug it in18:18
snap-lpopey: And what did you need to do to do network scanning?18:18
popeynetwork scanning is for lazy people18:18
mhall119cups does network printing automagically18:18
popeygo and walk to your scanner18:19
mhall119oh, saned for network scanning, I use that often18:19
snap-lpopey: I share a printer with my wife18:19
mhall119popey: it's also for people who have kids old enough to understand "now put the next page in the scanner and tell me when it's ready"18:19
popeyso do I ☺18:19
snap-lergo, networking is quite important. ;)18:19
popeyand two kids18:19
popeywho print from all around the house18:19
popeyautomagically18:20
snap-lpopey: Stop sharing my printer!18:20
mhall119mine don't have permission to print18:20
mhall119I'd never have ink/toner/paper if I allowed them to print whenever they wanted18:20
snap-lAnd tell the kids to stop putting nutella on my printer.18:20
popeysam prints quite a lot of PDFs from websites which he colours in18:20
popeybut always asks first before printing colour stuff18:20
snap-lActually, I was going to go with HP, but I can get a solid 3000 pages on a $70+ cart18:21
mhall119you have hm well trained18:21
mhall119er, I mean, raised18:22
snap-lunfortunately, HP has gone creative-accounting and only manages about 1800 for the same price.18:22
snap-lAnd my wife is a college instructor18:22
mhall119gah, why does my code have so many typos today?18:22
popeyswitched to dvorak?18:23
mhall119no, same laptop keyboard as always18:23
cjohnstonmhall119: because you arent coding on summit18:23
mhall119I'm going to blame the chihuahua who has insisted on sleeping on my forearm all day18:23
dholbachalright my friends - see you all tomorrow :)18:24
mhall119g'night dholbach18:24
cjohnstong'nite dholbach18:24
dholbachbyeeeeeeeeee :)18:24
mhall119I'm about to kick this code18:40
* mhall119 hates refactoring18:40
cjohnstonmhall119: bzr branch lp:summit18:40
mhall119no18:40
mhall119this is still better than summit18:40
cjohnstonnot true18:41
cjohnstondoesnt exist18:41
mhall119it's "better" because it's one of the things jono put on my list18:45
mhall119yay, it's running and hasn't errored out yet18:45
cjohnstonsumo?18:47
mhall119no, unity-stats18:47
bkerensauhh so someone using Xubuntu indicates Oneconf is eating 100M of memory and they want to remove it since they do not use U1 but when they try and sudo apt-get remove it also tries and take the entire desktop enviroment20:07
bkerensaany thoughts?20:07
popeydefine "entire desktop" bkerensa20:10
bkerensapopey: it will remove xubuntu-desktop et. al20:11
bkerensasudo apt-get remove oneconf (also pulls off xfce etc)20:11
popeythey could shut it down without removing it20:11
bkerensapopey: Is there a proper method for this?20:12
popeyfor what removing or killing?20:12
bkerensapopey: permanently disabling it20:13
popeyi would run pstree and see what spawned it20:14
bkerensapopey: init spawns oneconf20:20
popeyso probably sommat in /etc/init.d or /etc/rc2.d20:20
cjohnston.3720:28
cjohnstonuggh20:28
bkerensapopey: I filed a bug for it20:30
popeyyay20:39
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