[00:08] <mhall119> jbicha: ping
[00:09] <jbicha> mhall119: good evening
[00:09] <mhall119> good evening
[00:09] <mhall119> jbicha: I'm updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ReleaseSchedule, but now I'm all confused about what the schedule should actually be
[00:09] <mhall119> got a minute to help me?
[00:10] <jbicha> mhall119: sure
[00:11] <mhall119> jbicha: so we're currently on week 23, is there anything that needs to be done this week?
[00:14] <jbicha> mhall119: yes...PANIC!... but I think I've already taken care of that one :)
[00:14] <mhall119> cool, I'll leave that off then
[00:14] <jbicha> mhall119: you're talking about to get added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ReleaseSchedule ?
[00:15] <mhall119> jbicha: yes, I'm trying to get it to reflect the new docs schedule
[00:16] <jbicha> well next Monday or Tuesday, we need to make a new ubuntu-docs release & make sure the translations/pots files are available in LP for translators to work on them
[00:17] <jbicha> I'm still a bit fuzzy on all the details of this, mdke usually handles releases
[00:19] <mhall119> how about the week after?  Or is that the 2 weeks for translators to do their magic?
[00:19] <jbicha> final release is April 26 with LanguagePackTranslation deadline on the 19th
[00:20] <jbicha> right, I think translators should at least have 2 weeks to do their things as ubuntu-docs is huge
[00:21] <jbicha> the Server Guide plans to freeze March 28, that was approved today
[00:23] <jbicha> mhall119: thank for updating the wiki, I hadn't seen skaet's message when she originally posted it
[00:24] <mhall119> jbicha: happy to help, does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ReleaseSchedule look correct now?
[00:24] <jbicha> final release is April 26 with LanguagePackTranslation deadline on the 19th
[00:25] <jbicha> NonLanguagePackTranslation deadline still applies to kubuntu-docs & I guess server guide
[00:26] <jjesse> to be honest and a little sad not much has changed in kubuntu-docs this cycle due to a lack of people working on it
[00:26] <jjesse> mostly very minor typos
[00:29] <mhall119> jbicha: I'm in a little over my head here, so forgive me for making you spell it all out, but what should I put on the wiki for kubuntu-docs and server guide?
[00:30] <mhall119> ubuntu-docs is a package?
[00:31] <jbicha> mhall119: yes, it's a package & I get in over my head all the time :)
[00:31] <mhall119> server guide has also asked for a freeze exception, I think they're on the same schedule as ubuntu-docs now
[00:33] <jbicha> mhall119: yes basically; ubuntu-docs will need to release by ~Tuesday to get on the Beta 2 CDs though & the server guide will freeze on Wednesday
[00:34] <jbicha> yeah, see also skaet's new email
[00:34] <mhall119> jbicha: just read it
[00:34] <skaet> jbicha, mhall119 - mail in response to original request sent.   We'll fit what's ready on the Beta CD, main focus is to get it nice and solid for release at this point.
[00:35] <skaet> If you want to come in before the date I've put down, and get on the beta CD +1 from me.  ;)
[00:35] <mhall119> skaet: jbicha: I *think* the current state of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/ReleaseSchedule is correct now
[00:37] <skaet> mhall119,  thanks for adding in the dates.   I'll tweak it a bit tomorrow, but its close enough now.   Thanks.
[00:38] <skaet> :)
[00:38] <mhall119> you're welcome
[14:07] <jbicha> mdke: ping
[14:07] <mdke> jbicha: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[15:02] <hannie> jbicha, in http://jeremy.bicha.net/2012/03/22/ubuntu-docs-a-call-for-help/ I see: If you type help etc.
[15:03] <hannie> Shouldn't this be Type yelp
[15:05] <jbicha> hannie: both work :)
[15:05] <hannie> ah, not in my Dash
[15:06] <hannie> jbicha, not in the Dutch version that is
[15:07] <jbicha> hannie: ah, we should use the new Keywords; field and the Dutch translators should use Help;
[15:08] <hannie> Yes, the Dutch word for help is hulp. That is understood by Dash
[15:09] <hannie> Maybe I should add more keywords in gnome-control-center, if that is where the keywords are located
[15:11] <dpm> weird, "help" seems to work for me on a Catalan locale
[15:12] <jbicha> hannie: keywords are located in each package, so it's yelp.desktop that needs to be improved
[15:13] <hannie> jbicha, ok. Don't know why my Dash doesn't accept 'help'
[15:14] <jbicha> hannie: on your system: /usr/share/applications/yelp.desktop doesn't have the word "help"
[15:14] <hannie> jbicha, do you mean yelp.po?
[15:14] <jbicha> if you modify that file, you'll also need to run sudo update-desktop-database
[15:15] <hannie> ok, I'll give it a try.
[15:16] <jbicha> I don't know much about translations but yes, you should submit that improvement to Launchpad and to GNOME
[15:16] <hannie> Right, I translate for both Gnome and Ubuntu
[15:17] <jbicha> it probably needs a blog post of its own too; maybe every .desktop should have Keywords; and translators should leave in a few English strings
[15:18] <jbicha> that would be cool to be able to search in both English or Dutch
[15:18] <hannie> jbicha, thanks for all your information. I will look into it
[15:20] <hannie> dpm, thanks for your contribution as well
[15:21] <dpm> hannie, no worries. How's the Dutch translation team doing?
[15:22] <hannie> dpm, very well. We are working hard on Precise. There is a spurt this weekend
[15:22] <hannie> *sprint that is
[15:22] <dpm> cool :)
[15:23] <dpm> you guys should blog about the sprint, I'm sure it would encourage other teams
[15:23] <dpm> nice to see the untranslated strings going down -> http://91.189.93.77/stats/precise/nl :)
[15:23] <hannie> dpm, ok, I will put it on the translators list
[15:23] <dpm> good work!
[15:24] <hannie> I will forward the compliment to my collegues ;)
[15:24] <dpm> by all means ;)
[15:54] <hannie> dpm, can I ask you something?
[15:55] <dpm> hannie, sure, no need to ask permission to ask, just go for it :)
[15:55] <hannie> How about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/255830
[15:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 255830 in launchpad "translators who have only made non-accepted suggestions are listed in translation credits" [Low,Triaged]
[15:57] <hannie> dpm, I think you have a good point here. I have a suggestion:
[15:59] <dpm> actually, since I sent that bug I've changed my mind a bit :)
[16:01] <hannie> ah, I just wanted to suggest to make string 2 editable, in that way translators with
[16:01] <hannie> full rights can decide which names are put on the list
[16:01] <hannie> #2 = "translator-credits"
[16:03] <hannie> oh, I forgot to mention that I am talking about ubuntu-docs
[16:06] <dpm> sorry, I'm being dragged into another discussion, let me answer in a few minutes
[16:07] <hannie> No worries, it is not that important
[16:14] <dpm> hannie, translator-credits were originally editable in Launchpad. I can't remember the exact reason why they were made non-editable, but I could think of it being a requirement for automatically filling them using message sharing. Unfortunately though, and being quite honest, the fact that the bug is marked as low effectively means it is not likely to be worked on by the LP developers
[16:15] <hannie> dpm, that answer will do. I reported a bug on a similar subject recently. I'll see what priority it gets
[16:16] <hannie> Thanks for you time. See you
[16:16] <dpm> ok, no worries :)
[16:41] <sladen> mdke, jbicha et al:  Could you draw you attention to the new (non-default) wallpapers)
[16:41] <sladen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/933562
[16:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 933562 in ubuntu-wallpapers "FFe: Upload Precise Ubuntu 12.04 LTS wallpapers " [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[16:41] <sladen> these are still waiting on the high-res ones, but you can hopefully see what's on there from the linked flickr group
[16:42] <sladen> could you possibly post to that but report that you're tollerant of the upload and that it is unlikely to affect (m)any screenshots as it would only be the Appearance control panel
[16:42] <sladen> (if you're okay, can you put that on the bug report so that the release team know I'm not trying to pull a fast one)
[16:47] <jbicha> sladen: looks good, done :)
[17:05] <jbicha> mdke: do you think we should do a ubuntu-docs upload today?
[17:33] <jbicha> that way translators can get started on the pages we mark as final
[20:34] <Darkwing> Hey guys
[20:34] <Darkwing> I'll have the Kubuntu docs ready to go before the 26 minutes deadline :)
[20:35] <Darkwing> As soon as this stuff downloads. :)
[22:28] <Darkwing> Well, this is fun.
[22:28] <Darkwing> Anyone else having issues with xml2po not being able to write files?
[22:29] <Darkwing> mdke: ping?
[22:29] <mdke> Darkwing: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[22:29] <Darkwing> mdke: You know if there were any changes to xml2po?
[22:30] <Darkwing> mdke: It's whining about writing
[22:30] <Darkwing> and yes, permissions are fine.