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| mattt | *yawn* | 05:58 |
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| MartijnVdS | Yay. No train service from/to Amsterdam. | 06:16 |
| MartijnVdS | "We have a problem communicating with the signals and switches" | 06:16 |
| mattt | WFH! | 06:17 |
| MartijnVdS | "Expected to be fixed by 9:00" | 06:19 |
| MartijnVdS | mattt: I'm considering that.. or going by car and paying towering parking fees | 06:20 |
| mattt | how long's the drive ? | 06:24 |
| MartijnVdS | 30 minutes (45 with traffic) | 06:24 |
| MartijnVdS | I can also just go to work after 9 | 06:24 |
| MartijnVdS | </care> :) | 06:24 |
| shauno | isn't this what you've been practicing for? just run! | 06:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ | 06:37 |
| MartijnVdS | Yay. estimate has been changed from 9:00 to "early afternoon" | 06:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Tempted to take a bike. | 06:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Yes. I'll do that. | 06:41 |
| mattt | run dammit run | 06:51 |
| diplo | Morning | 08:23 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:23 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 08:32 |
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| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| DJones | Morning all | 08:47 |
| BigRedS | G'morning! | 08:55 |
| daubers | Morning | 09:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Good morning peeps :) | 09:06 |
| DJones | Morning bigcalm_lappy | 09:11 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hi DJones | 09:13 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 09:13 |
| mrevell | davmor2, bigcalm_lappy: Just to confirm, I won't make it today :( | 09:50 |
| bigcalm_lappy | mrevell: a shame, I hope your family gets well soon | 09:51 |
| mrevell | thanks chapo | 09:51 |
| bigcalm_lappy | And on that note, time for a bacon sandwich! | 09:51 |
| davmor2 | mrevell: shutup typing on here and go look after your kin ;) | 09:52 |
| JamesTait | Good morning, everyone! :D | 09:57 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Oh my, stary-eyed surprise | 09:59 |
| gord | i like Jorge's google+ posts it assures me that i'm not the only nerd at my company ;) | 10:15 |
| * bigcalm_lappy wonders if davmor2 is being quieter than usual because one of his cow-orkers is here | 10:15 | |
| gord | have you guys set up a shrine to me in my abstinence? | 10:16 |
| gord | absence | 10:16 |
| gord | spellcheck = bad | 10:16 |
| czajkowski | lol | 10:17 |
| czajkowski | gord: why aren't you there? | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | gord: oi there are lots of nerds in your company mister! | 10:18 |
| gord | release to kick out the door today :) | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | take that back ! | 10:18 |
| gord | well, there are nerds, then there are those of us that have seen every episode of star trek: tng, stargate: all of them and buffy, among many others | 10:19 |
| bigcalm_lappy | czajkowski: you'll always be a rugby nerd in my heart | 10:19 |
| bigcalm_lappy | gord: the bacon sandwiches are missing you | 10:20 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm_lappy: :) | 10:20 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Damn, should have brought some floss with me | 10:21 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:37 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Morning | 10:39 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod | 10:40 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: elo ello | 10:40 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: should think so too :P | 10:41 |
| davmor2 | gord: make the blue message windows stop please........... | 10:42 |
| gord | davmor2, update? should be a new notify-osd by now | 10:43 |
| davmor2 | gord: I'm on current | 10:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm on my last legs | 10:45 |
| gord | davmor2, then i guess wait for an update :) | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | gord: you're an evil evil man I like it | 10:47 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: they still blue for you? did they ever go normal? | 10:51 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: nope never went normal | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | ah, mine did | 10:52 |
| davmor2 | I use the snowdon image on the desktop though | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | was blue again a couple of days ago, then went back to normal | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | I use the default bruise | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | morning bigcalm_lappy | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | morning gord , davmor2 and AlanBell | 10:53 |
| davmor2 | morning brobostigon | 10:53 |
| brobostigon | i just found the ubuntu one, home dir backup in precise, it is a good idea. | 10:54 |
| bigcalm_lappy | All I ever hear about Ubuntu1 is people losing stuff. Kinda puts me off using it | 10:57 |
| brobostigon | i also use dropbox. | 10:57 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm_lappy: well, nobody's going to talk about how U1 just didn't delete all their files | 10:58 |
| gord | bigcalm_lappy, its worth noting that all my ranting about u1 has always been because i'm on unstable releases :) | 11:01 |
| ali1234 | my notifications are the right colour now but the launcher is still blue | 11:01 |
| DJones | BigRedS: I'm struggling to find somewhere with a xoom in stock, I may have to go with a galaxy tab | 11:01 |
| DJones | bigcalm_lappy: That should have been fo | 11:01 |
| DJones | sorry bigcalm_lappy | 11:01 |
| DJones | Complete and utter tab complete fail there | 11:02 |
| brobostigon | wow, an update to chromium. | 11:03 |
| * brobostigon has been practising his sarcasm. | 11:03 | |
| balor | czajkowski, Are we giving @sil a holiday? | 11:03 |
| czajkowski | balor: no playing with blueptrints and needed one that wasnt going to cause too much trouble if I played with it | 11:04 |
| czajkowski | balor: conference limerick october. you're warned :) | 11:04 |
| balor | czajkowski, I shall order my stab-vest | 11:06 |
| balor | czajkowski, In Leinster colours | 11:07 |
| czajkowski | balor: you my dear can go...... | 11:07 |
| balor | czajkowski, Is this conf to do with the city moving to OSS? | 11:08 |
| czajkowski | balor: no skynet - skyCon 20th Birthday :D | 11:09 |
| balor | czajkowski, fun | 11:11 |
| bigcalm_lappy | DJones: currys no longer stocking them? | 11:12 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Could be why they were cheapish, selling off end of line stock | 11:12 |
| DJones | bigcalm_lappy: They don't seem to have any stock, same with Argos, tesco, pcworld (all selling at the same price) | 11:13 |
| DJones | Or I guess I could look at the xoom 2 | 11:17 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I wonder if the Xoom2 will get ICS in the UK any sooner than the Xoom | 11:20 |
| DJones | From what I read yesterday, no it won't, original xoom gets it first | 11:20 |
| dwatkins | I thought the Xoom already had ICS, I just had a customer report a problem with it at least. | 11:23 |
| DJones | Not yet, its due between March & May in the uk, but if you've got US firmware, they've been updated | 11:27 |
| dwatkins | aha thanks DJones :) | 11:28 |
| DJones | Hmmh, why does carphonewarehouse website tell me that the "ipad battery life" in the xoom 2 is 10 hours | 11:29 |
| ali1234 | because it actually has an ipad inside it | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | just like how vhs machines have dvd players inside | 11:30 |
| DJones | ali1234: I thought it was the iPad that had a Samsung Galaxy Tab inside/outside it (or is the other way round) | 11:31 |
| gord | you are all wrong, the ipad has an iphone inside it and the rest is just a magnifying lens | 11:32 |
| DJones | Hmmh, xoom 2 seems to be somewhat more capeable than the galaxy tab | 11:36 |
| DJones | On the other hand, there's always the transformer prime | 11:43 |
| popey | hah, ipad = iphone with frenzel lens | 11:47 |
| * dwatkins is reminded of the film Brazil | 11:47 | |
| popey | i have a friend who had one of those lenses in front of his pc screen about 10 years ago | 11:47 |
| dwatkins | I gather the head-up displays they are developing to fit into contact lenses will use fresnel lenses to focus the on-eye display | 11:48 |
| dwatkins | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/1-Pixel-Contact-Lens-HUD-implant,news-13298.html for the curious and non-squeamish | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | 1 pixel | 11:50 |
| ali1234 | so basically it's like shining a torch into your eyes? | 11:50 |
| DJones | Argh. Decisions, decisions | 11:54 |
| BigRedS | ali1234: morse code messages | 11:59 |
| BigRedS | like nokia talked about doing for SMSs | 11:59 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: it might send you Morse-code messages | 12:06 |
| daubers | Urgh, I've had to make time to write a document about taking time to consider time | 13:11 |
| BigRedS | haha | 13:11 |
| daubers | Somedays I just don't have the time for this | 13:11 |
| BigRedS | df -h | 13:20 |
| BigRedS | oops | 13:20 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Gigs and gigs of goat porn | 13:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ | 13:22 |
| BigRedS | haha | 13:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Just speculating | 13:24 |
| bigcalm_lappy | And forgetting that I'm not in another channel that is all about goat porn | 13:24 |
| BigRedS | find . -name goat\* | 13:25 |
| BigRedS | oh. dammit. rumbled | 13:25 |
| daubers | Woot! Quite nice when you see a device you dreamed up in an afternoon in a trade magazine | 13:29 |
| kirrus | what device? :) | 13:30 |
| BigRedS | Is that the IPv6 keypad? | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: wouldn't that just be a hex keypad? | 13:31 |
| daubers | kirrus: LTO server thingy | 13:31 |
| kirrus | Light Transmitting Organ? | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: http://www.ipv6buddy.com/ | 13:32 |
| daubers | kirrus: Tape drive :) | 13:32 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: yeah, that one | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: Showing it to our network guys now :) | 13:33 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: it's actually a genuine produict | 13:33 |
| BigRedS | despite the site looking an awful lot like a scap | 13:34 |
| BigRedS | scam | 13:34 |
| * BigRedS can't type today | 13:34 | |
| * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P | 13:41 | |
| * bigcalm_lappy falls asleep | 13:41 | |
| * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P | 13:42 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | Hey, I'm trying to sleep here | 13:42 |
| * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P | 13:42 | |
| * bigcalm_lappy glares | 13:43 | |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy uses GLARE. It's super-effective! | 13:43 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: it's a cow-orkers day not a fall asleep day | 13:43 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Good burger this | 13:44 |
| gord | maybe its co-naptime | 13:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Despite it looking like it, this isn't pre-school | 13:46 |
| dwatkins | Burger Time is apparently a very entertaining arcade game. | 13:48 |
| dwatkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BurgerTime | 13:48 |
| gord | i need to nap as an adult *way* more than i ever needed to as a child | 13:49 |
| dwatkins | I've had two naps in the past six months. | 13:52 |
| bigcalm_lappy | dwatkins: I think you should get some more sleep | 13:54 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: burger time, isn't that a few hours after beer o'clock? | 13:55 |
| brobostigon | beertime is anytime, burger time is fixed. :( | 13:55 |
| dwatkins | bigcalm_lappy: you're right, 7 hours isn't enough | 13:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Sat, Sun are nap days. 14:00 -> Zzz :) | 13:56 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Visiting my parents this weekend. It'll be another 2 solid days of WordPress support | 13:57 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy: .. yay | 13:58 |
| bigcalm_lappy | :) | 13:58 |
| dwatkins | could be worse, bigcalm_lappy - could be MS Word support ;) | 13:59 |
| dwatkins | I tend to help my dad out with his XP installation and backup issues when I'm there | 13:59 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I pay Bytemark 18 quid a month for a virtual machine for my own use. How much should I charge a club for hosting their website? | 13:59 |
| MartijnVdS | Whatever they're able to pay ;) | 14:00 |
| bigcalm_lappy | gord: you'll be happy to know that I've got hic-ups again today | 14:00 |
| bigcalm_lappy | MartijnVdS: I'm trying to be sensible about this | 14:00 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Thinking a yearly cost of £not_much | 14:00 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy: what do "web-only" hosters ask? Would £10/month be too much? | 14:00 |
| MartijnVdS | £100/y | 14:00 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 14:00 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I think they are currently paying £80 / year for their hosting | 14:01 |
| MartijnVdS | 75 then? | 14:01 |
| diplo | With "personalised" support :) | 14:05 |
| diplo | IE they can poke you when it doesn't work | 14:05 |
| bigcalm_lappy | That's the thing, I'm just one man with a VM | 14:06 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm doing this for my dad who is in the club | 14:07 |
| diplo | I host three sites all for free :) | 14:07 |
| diplo | <-- sucker | 14:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I host sites for my family for free. But I have no connection with this new thing | 14:07 |
| bigcalm_lappy | So don't want to be taken for a ride | 14:08 |
| diplo | Ask for £30 or something then | 14:08 |
| diplo | I take it that it's very low bandy/disc usage | 14:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | A month? Good idea | 14:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I have no idea what the bandwidth usage will be on this site yet | 14:08 |
| diplo | I'd ask your dad if he knows the people ? | 14:08 |
| diplo | Is there a reason for you hosting it over last people ? | 14:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Which reminds me, need to set up Google Analytics | 14:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy | The current person is about 79 and inter-club politics are going silly. Hence my dad setting up the new site | 14:10 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ politics | 14:10 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I need sleep | 14:17 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy: so get some! | 14:17 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I would, but davmor2 threatens to throw things at me | 14:18 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy: so lock him in a drawer | 14:18 |
| bigcalm_lappy | COFFEE! | 14:19 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Oh, maybe a mocha this time | 14:19 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: 2 flaws to your plan, out of the to of us I'm more likely to hurt him, and I'm 6ft2in that's a big draw | 14:19 |
| czajkowski | most irritating bug known to man - it just randomly crashes when alt tabbing. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/926379 | 14:20 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 926379 in mesa (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_release()" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:20 |
| gord | czajkowski, what we call, a driver bug =\ | 14:21 |
| czajkowski | driver eh | 14:21 |
| czajkowski | drives a user insane | 14:22 |
| czajkowski | :) | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: what about the white squared with Chrome notification popups? | 14:22 |
| gord | MartijnVdS, iruno | 14:22 |
| * MartijnVdS gets huge white rectangles sometimes | 14:23 | |
| oimon | argh, what was the fix for griub>unknown filesystem when using 12.04? | 14:23 |
| MartijnVdS | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/940603 | 14:24 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 940603 in unity (Ubuntu) "white box randomly shows up at top left corner blocking applications from using stuff under it" [High,Confirmed] | 14:24 |
| popey | oimon: boot from live cd and chroot in and reinstall grub | 14:26 |
| oimon | ok, the usual way then :D | 14:26 |
| oimon | wow, in grub mode, this vaio is cooking REALLY hot | 14:27 |
| * czajkowski pages popey to the bridge :) | 14:31 | |
| popey | hmm? | 14:31 |
| czajkowski | conference call | 14:32 |
| * christel tickles ali1234 | 14:35 | |
| christel | er oops | 14:35 |
| christel | i meant to tickle AlanBell | 14:35 |
| christel | :x | 14:35 |
| MartijnVdS | poor ali1234 | 14:35 |
| popey | haha | 14:35 |
| * bigcalm_lappy waits in line for a typo tickling | 14:35 | |
| * popey tickles BigRedS | 14:35 | |
| * AlanBell is duely tickled | 14:35 | |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: You're ali1234 ?!?! | 14:35 |
| * bigcalm_lappy grumbles | 14:36 | |
| AlanBell | no, I am sparticus | 14:36 |
| bigcalm_lappy | No, I'm sparticus | 14:36 |
| popey | http://www.thatsnerdalicious.com/food-porn/french-fry-coated-hot-dog-on-a-stick-lunch-time/ | 14:36 |
| popey | feeling peckish | 14:36 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: http://www.pizza.co.uk/ | 14:37 |
| bigcalm_lappy | dominos.co.uk | 14:38 |
| gord | when i was a kid and we got chippy, i'd hollow out the middle of the massive saussage and put chips in there, it was glorious | 14:38 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I miss turkey sticks | 14:40 |
| AlanBell | twizzlers | 14:40 |
| bigcalm_lappy | No, not these | 14:40 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: bigcalm_lappy: sit down I'm sparticus | 14:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Cubes of breast meat and onion alternately on a wooden stick, battered and deep fried | 14:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | More of an 80s thing I think | 14:42 |
| Dave2 | deep fried onion? | 14:44 |
| Dave2 | sounds...lovely | 14:44 |
| oimon | you called? | 14:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I'm full and really don't need this cake | 14:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Tasty is my downfall | 14:44 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Did the same last night with steak & onion rings, followed by apple crumble | 14:45 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm_lappy: <to quote weird Al> "Eat it, just eat it eat it ha" | 14:45 |
| Dave2 | deep fried oimon. | 14:46 |
| Dave2 | on a stick. | 14:46 |
| christel | AlanBell: did we settle on a lunch venue for tomorrow? :) | 14:46 |
| oimon | i hate the ubiquity bug where the details terminal window is too small and you can't see why the installation has stalled | 14:47 |
| christel | deep fried onion.. | 14:48 |
| christel | surely that works? arent onion rings deep fried? | 14:48 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Yes | 14:48 |
| Dave2 | Yes, but they're rings | 14:48 |
| Dave2 | not cubes | 14:48 |
| christel | haha | 14:48 |
| Dave2 | A lot more batter/less onion | 14:48 |
| Dave2 | Unless they're tiny cubes | 14:48 |
| christel | *nod* | 14:49 |
| * bigcalm_lappy looks at the cake infront of him | 14:51 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | Ug | 14:51 |
| christel | the cake makes you ug?! | 14:52 |
| MartijnVdS | Ugg cake | 14:52 |
| bigcalm_lappy | christel: I was already full of tasty burger before I started on the cake | 14:54 |
| bigcalm_lappy | MartijnVdS: anything like Ugg Boots? | 14:54 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm_lappy: probably | 14:54 |
| * bigcalm_lappy nods | 14:54 | |
| christel | ah i had biscuits for lunch | 14:56 |
| christel | i was going to have pasta | 14:56 |
| christel | only by the time i remembered that i was cooking pasta it had been boiling away for 40 minutes | 14:56 |
| christel | (duh) | 14:56 |
| MartijnVdS | VERY soft pasta :) | 14:57 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Whoops | 15:00 |
| * AlanBell checks the weather forecast for tomorrow | 15:00 | |
| AlanBell | looks nice and sunny | 15:00 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: I can tell you now there will be weather | 15:00 |
| AlanBell | looks like a nice day for sitting outside | 15:01 |
| popey | ☹ | 15:02 |
| * popey will be sitting inside a crematorium ☹ | 15:02 | |
| bigcalm_lappy | :( | 15:02 |
| BigRedS | fI used to have a Firefox plugin that'd tell me which bits of a page took how long to download and render. Anyone know what it was? I Can't find it in the Add-ons search thing... | 15:07 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: firebug | 15:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | BigRedS: fire bug | 15:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Then look in the Net tab | 15:08 |
| MartijnVdS | and Yahoo made a plugin for that.. uhr.. yslow | 15:08 |
| MartijnVdS | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yslow/ | 15:08 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Is pagespeed another one? | 15:09 |
| MartijnVdS | could be | 15:09 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Or is that just a google made apache mod? | 15:09 |
| MartijnVdS | sounds like it anyway :) | 15:09 |
| christel | AlanBell: yeah it is supposed to be lovely! | 15:10 |
| christel | popey: that does not sound like the best place to spend the day :/ | 15:10 |
| popey | indeed | 15:10 |
| popey | my best friends' mum ☹ | 15:10 |
| MartijnVdS | :( | 15:11 |
| BigRedS | Oh! I didn't realise Firebug did that | 15:12 |
| BigRedS | pagespeed is an Apache mod | 15:12 |
| bigcalm_lappy | That's what I thought | 15:12 |
| bigcalm_lappy | One that looked good for a while but ended up caining my server and breaking my websites | 15:13 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 15:13 |
| christel | popey: i am sorry to hear that | 15:14 |
| brobostigon | is it possible, to link the calendar dropdown, in unity's data time applet, to google calendar? | 15:16 |
| popey | yes | 15:19 |
| brobostigon | how? | 15:19 |
| popey | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleCalendarWithEvolution | 15:20 |
| brobostigon | thank you popey, but last time i tried, evolution didnt scale on my eeepc's screen, and was unable to set it up. | 15:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | popey: Ask chrisccoulson to do the same with Lightning will you? ;-) | 15:21 |
| popey | brobostigon: you only need evolution to setup the connection | 15:21 |
| popey | you could plug in an external display temporarily ☺ | 15:21 |
| brobostigon | popey: that would be possible, yes. | 15:22 |
| gord | there used to be some kind of smaller mode for evolution | 15:25 |
| gord | evolution express maybe? something like that | 15:25 |
| brobostigon | i will look, | 15:25 |
| bittin | Hello, somone else have more problems with fan noise in the Pangolin beta? | 15:28 |
| czajkowski | nope | 15:32 |
| czajkowski | what kinda problems | 15:32 |
| bittin | czajkowski: fan sound started to get louder but can be my fan in this 2-3year old pc thats started behave wierd | 15:33 |
| bittin | also alt + tab don't work but that is already reported by people: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/955859 | 15:33 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 945816 in compiz (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #955859 [regression] Changing the HUD shortcut disables all Alt-based combinations. And changing the Dash shortcut disables all Super-based shortcuts." [Medium,Fix committed] | 15:33 |
| bigcalm_lappy | I've broken davmor2 | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | oh dear | 15:41 |
| czajkowski | why.... | 15:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | It's quite amusing | 15:41 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Looks like he's about to start drooling | 15:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | He was trying to remember how old he was in 2001 | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | bittin: is your CPU activity really high for some reason? that might make it run hot which will speed the fan up | 15:42 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Stack over flow I'm guessing ;) | 15:43 |
| AlanBell | christel: TheOpenSourcerer: if it is sunny I like the idea of the shepherd & flock | 15:43 |
| AlanBell | and it looks like it will be nice | 15:43 |
| bittin | AlanBell: no my load is 0.5 | 15:43 |
| bittin | and htop says 8 and 6 % | 15:43 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | AlanBell: christel - Yeah - we can breath in the fumes from the traffic on the roundabout ;-) | 15:46 |
| * bigcalm_lappy pokes Rackspace support with a stick | 15:47 | |
| bittin | root@ubuntu:/home/bittin# fancontrol | 15:47 |
| bittin | Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ... | 15:47 |
| bittin | Error: Can't read configuration file | 15:47 |
| bittin | wonder if that has anything to do with it or if iam thinking wrong | 15:47 |
| christel | AlanBell: sounds good to me, will it be dreadfully noisy? :) | 15:48 |
| bittin | fan1: 1255 RPM | 15:50 |
| bittin | fan2: 1010 RPM | 15:50 |
| bittin | Core 0: +43.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) | 15:50 |
| bittin | Core 1: +40.0°C (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) | 15:50 |
| bittin | Ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 works better then i tough it would on this box :p | 16:03 |
| bigcalm_lappy | Was that an /amsg ? | 16:05 |
| AlanBell | christel: the beer garden behind the pub is not at all noisy | 16:26 |
| christel | ooh there's one tucked away behind as well, i assumed it was just the seats you can see when you drive past! | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | yup, there are seats front and back | 16:28 |
| oimon | gnome-panel on 12.04 is almost awesome :D | 16:28 |
| * AlanBell installs Oracle 11g :( | 17:31 | |
| * MartijnVdS cries for AlanBell | 17:32 | |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| jacobw | evening | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | what's a virtual dedicated server? | 18:48 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's virtually dedicated | 18:48 |
| daftykins | http://i.imgur.com/zqb84.jpg | 18:49 |
| daftykins | aww yeah learning to snowboard <3 | 18:49 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:49 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: that looks like an unhealthy relationship | 18:50 |
| daftykins | the board, it beats me | 18:51 |
| daftykins | D: | 18:51 |
| jacobw | ali1234: perhaps it means not-a-container | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | http://i.imgur.com/gvGKk.jpg | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | wat | 18:58 |
| daftykins | O_O | 19:00 |
| MartijnVdS | No? | 19:01 |
| daftykins | may go to my local tonight to watch over the students playing the quiz | 19:08 |
| daftykins | maybe this time i'll shut up and not make a team win by giving two answers right at the end | 19:08 |
| daftykins | they grabbed their winnings said bye to me and left! :O | 19:08 |
| jacobw | :o | 19:08 |
| jacobw | students.. | 19:08 |
| daftykins | indeed | 19:09 |
| daftykins | though, i was one just 4 years ago | 19:09 |
| daftykins | so i'm currently the "why is he so young" shifty regular sat at the bar talking to strangers | 19:09 |
| daftykins | :> | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | "Get of my lawn!" | 19:10 |
| daftykins | well technically i'm the outsider here in England | 19:10 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: isn't England your lawn? :) | 19:10 |
| daftykins | only forced to be here to fix up and sell my house ¬_¬ | 19:10 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: no sir | 19:10 |
| daftykins | i'm a Guernsey man | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | not-quite-Frenchman ;) | 19:10 |
| daftykins | precisely! | 19:12 |
| daftykins | French-mutation as my dear Irish friend puts it | 19:12 |
| * dwatkins is a foreignner everywhere | 19:48 | |
| daftykins | dwatkins: how's that? | 19:49 |
| daftykins | nm must go - pub quiz o'clock! | 19:50 |
| dwatkins | ciao daftykins | 19:51 |
| dwatkins | (born in Switzerland, grew up in England, living in Scotland) | 19:51 |
| daftykins | ah-har! :) | 19:51 |
| * AlanBell boots Oracle Enterprise Linux | 19:54 | |
| popey | unlucky | 19:58 |
| * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell something to collect his tears in | 19:58 | |
| MartijnVdS | or with | 19:58 |
| AlanBell | the buttons are on the wrong side! | 19:59 |
| hamitron | they are right? | 19:59 |
| TonyNorfolk | hello | 20:11 |
| AlanBell | !ping | 20:12 |
| lubotu3 | another contentless ping... sigh... | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | BT Wholesale has hijacked my browser connection | 20:12 |
| popey | hello TonyNorfolk | 20:13 |
| dwatkins | Taking Red Hats trademarks off Red Hat to make Oracle Linux seems a little cheeky. | 20:13 |
| dwatkins | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=oracle says they do this anyway | 20:13 |
| TonyNorfolk | Hello, does anyone have any idea why GParted Editor wont load? | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | is it possible to share links to u1 music store? | 20:13 |
| popey | dwatkins: centos do it | 20:13 |
| popey | ali1234: it used to be, yes | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | used to be? | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | why isn't it any more? | 20:13 |
| popey | dunno if it still is | 20:13 |
| dwatkins | popey: oh I thought Centos was kinda like opensuse to suse/sles, the test version | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | http://62.6.38.125/index.html the whole web redirects there on port 80 right now | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | oh, ok | 20:13 |
| popey | dwatkins: no, centos is just like oracle | 20:13 |
| ali1234 | well, how do i do it? | 20:13 |
| dwatkins | I see, popey :) | 20:14 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: do you get an error from it? | 20:14 |
| popey | and scientific linux | 20:14 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: I am a new Ubuntu user - 1 week! and loving it. I click on the GParted Icon and it comes up with the authenticate message, I put my password in and then nothing happens. | 20:15 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: cool, welcome :) are you running off a USB stick/CD image, or have you installed to your hard drive? | 20:16 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: sles->opensuse, red hat->fedora | 20:16 |
| dwatkins | today I learned that centos isn't what I thought it was and that my bicycle light is pretty useless in the dark :) | 20:17 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: a complete install on my hard drive. I am running 11.10 | 20:17 |
| ali1234 | see also debian->ubuntu | 20:17 |
| Azelphur | Fun programming question, in PHP what would be faster, Loading a 64x32 image file locally, cutting a part out and upscaling it to 88x88, or caching the 88x88 image on disk? | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | u1 doesn't have the album i wanted to link anyway :( | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: caching, but only do that if performance is actually an issue | 20:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: also: always use a profiler :) | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: haha, I'm trying to write things as if performance was an issue :P | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | is this for a website? | 20:20 |
| Azelphur | yes | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | cache it then | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: caching would also make it cacheable on the remote end | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | (easier) | 20:20 |
| MartijnVdS | which would be a plus | 20:20 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: I'm just installing gparted on my Ubuntu virtual machine, have you tried running it from the terminal? | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | why you even doing this? | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | need more information | 20:21 |
| popey | found it | 20:21 |
| popey | https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/1501818/0 | 20:21 |
| popey | no idea how you get that link though ☺ | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | blah | 20:21 |
| MartijnVdS | This song is not available to buy from the Ubuntu One Music Store in your country. Sorry! | 20:21 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: i.e. by typing: gksu gparted | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | so i open the dash, click the musical note thingy, search for album | 20:22 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: no i haven't - i'll try that | 20:22 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: minecraft avatars | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | now i want to send the link to my buddy on facebook | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | wat do? | 20:22 |
| Azelphur | download skin -> cut the face out -> upscale to a viewable size | 20:22 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: thanks :) | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: send whole image to client, have the client do it in javascript | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | i'll post my u1 question on askubuntu actually | 20:23 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: this is my error message | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: I tried that but the problem is some browsers like to scale images differently | 20:23 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins:(gksu:16337): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap", | 20:23 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: like chrome blurs the image in a horrible manner | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | chrome sucks | 20:23 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: a quick search online suggests you need to install gtk2-engines-pixbuf | 20:24 |
| dwatkins | I shall return shortly. | 20:24 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: ok, ill search with synaptic | 20:24 |
| ali1234 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/115211/how-do-i-share-links-to-album-in-the-u1-music-store | 20:28 |
| ali1234 | btw is anyone esle getting this error | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | Error while getting credentials: The '/org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/login/8' object does not exist | 20:30 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: installed that, in terminal the command promt blinks for 2 or 3 seconds before completing - but nothing happens | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | while trying to open music store? | 20:30 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: there is no error message now but still no program? | 20:30 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: what are you trying to run? | 20:31 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: when opening in unity the authenticate pops up but nothing starts when i enter my password | 20:31 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: gparted | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | ok, on terminal: | 20:31 |
| ali1234 | gksudo gparted | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | anyone know anything about Oracle? Specifically how to import a .dmp file in the enterprise manager web console thing | 20:32 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: just tried that, thanks but still nothing | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: ok, try this | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | er, how do you get a shell prmpt with gksudo? | 20:34 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: nothing came up after you typed ok, try this? | 20:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah i didnt type anything yet | 20:35 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: oh sorry ;-) | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | gksudo strace gparted 2> /tmp/output.txt | 20:36 |
| ali1234 | try that | 20:36 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: ok but nothing seemed to happen - has that saved a txt file | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | what is in the text file? | 20:39 |
| TonyNorfolk | ok your probably bang your head off a wall - but how do I find that? | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | xdg-open /tmp/output.txt | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | don't paste it here though | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | just tell me if it's empty, or ctains lots of stuff | 20:42 |
| TonyNorfolk | it is completely blank | 20:42 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 20:43 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: really appreciate your help here | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | are you sure gparted is installed? | 20:43 |
| popey | it isnt by default | 20:43 |
| popey | its on the live cd, but it gets removed I _think_ | 20:43 |
| TonyNorfolk | yep it is in synaptic i check which version | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | yeah i know i just had to install it :) | 20:43 |
| popey | yeah, my machine doesnt have it | 20:44 |
| popey | TonyNorfolk: did you "apply" in synaptic? | 20:44 |
| popey | to install it | 20:44 |
| TonyNorfolk | 0.8.1-1ubutu4 and it has a green box | 20:44 |
| bittin | was trying to carry home a Sun Blade 2000 on the subway and failed so hard so i dropped it off in the bushes atleast got a hot usb mouse | 20:45 |
| TonyNorfolk | popey: yes i have applied - when I select it the apply is now greyed out | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | gksudo appears to be hiding the error message when a program isn't installed | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | argh what package is gksudo in? | 20:46 |
| TonyNorfolk | is the same thing happening to you ali1234 | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | is gksudo even the recommended way to run X11 apps as root? | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: sort of | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: what happens if you just run "gparted" without gksudo? | 20:47 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: that is comforting as I thought it was my system | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: this stuff used to work until *somebody* decided ubutu was too complicated, and promptly broke it all | 20:48 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234:do you mean type, gksu gparted? | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | no | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | just gparted | 20:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | Root privileges are required for running gparted. | 20:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | ah there's your problem | 20:50 |
| TonyNorfolk | how do I get root privileges? | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | with gksu | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | or gksudo | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | but the library error will still happen, you just wont see it | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | because gksu/gksudo is eating the error message | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | which is a bug | 20:51 |
| TonyNorfolk | right I'm now with you - you lost me back there | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | do this: | 20:52 |
| TonyNorfolk | do I need to install the libraries? | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | sudo apt-get install libgtkmm-2.4 | 20:52 |
| popey | interesting, how would that have happened | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 20:53 |
| popey | unless ubuntu-desktop or something is missing | 20:53 |
| TonyNorfolk | they are loading in now | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/962528 | 20:54 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 962528 in gksu (Ubuntu) "gksu/gksudo hides error messsages when running programs" [Undecided,New] | 20:54 |
| TonyNorfolk | have I done something wrong - I originally installed gparted from the software centre. it didn't work so I unistalled using synaptic and the reinstalled it again, but it still didn't work. | 20:55 |
| TonyNorfolk | thanks ali1234 I will go to launchpad and click that it also affects me | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | ah | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | synaptic and software centre seem to be diverging on their dependency algorithms. see previous comment about breaking everything | 20:56 |
| TonyNorfolk | right that has finished ali1234 - but I don't want to do anything until you say | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | just try to run gparted again without gksu | 20:57 |
| AlanBell | yay, I think my oracle import is happening \o/ | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | if it has another missing library, install it | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | repeat | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | when you get no errors except "you must be root" then run it with gksu or gksudo | 20:57 |
| popey | what is responsible for drawing context menus? | 21:00 |
| popey | is it compiz? | 21:00 |
| TonyNorfolk | Root privileges are required for running gparted. | 21:00 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 21:00 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: it couldn't find the library | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | hmmmm | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | what version of ubuntu? | 21:01 |
| TonyNorfolk | 11.10 | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | maybe run ldconfig and try again | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | though that shouldn't be necessary | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | hmm 32 bit or 64 bit install? | 21:02 |
| TonyNorfolk | 32 bit | 21:04 |
| AlanBell | oracle 11g really is a huge steaming pile of dogs droppings disguised as a database | 21:05 |
| TonyNorfolk | still nothing - so frustrating | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | yeah something really is wrong with your system | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | it might even be a different library to the one it claims due to the way linking works | 21:07 |
| TonyNorfolk | o.k should I just uninstall gparted | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | that would be giving up | 21:08 |
| popey | ali1234: bug 962545 | 21:08 |
| TonyNorfolk | I don't want to give up | 21:08 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 962545 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Context menus change vertical size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/962545 | 21:08 |
| popey | seen that? | 21:08 |
| popey | AlanBell: very little competition | 21:09 |
| === IdleOne is now known as pangolin | ||
| ali1234 | popey: i have not seen that. i haven't updated for a week or so though | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | I think I would rather just remember all the data than put it in Oracle | 21:10 |
| TonyNorfolk | is there anything I can run to check my system | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: yes. too many in fact | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | the trick is knowing where to start | 21:10 |
| TonyNorfolk | I really don't know anything so would need guidance - but I'm worried about taking up so much of your time for something as small as Gparted | 21:11 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: it appears 'gksu' as replaced 'gksudo' | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | yeah, bug affects both though | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: ok first of all please install a program called pastebinit if you have not already | 21:14 |
| TonyNorfolk | just done that | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | ok do this: ldd /usr/sbin/gpartedbin | pastebinit | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | then paste here the url it prints out | 21:16 |
| TonyNorfolk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/895668/ | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | so line 3 and 5 indicates two missing libraries | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | open up synaptic and find the first one | 21:19 |
| TonyNorfolk | yeah I just noticed that but I installed that with you | 21:19 |
| TonyNorfolk | will | 21:19 |
| TonyNorfolk | do | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | note that there's two versions | 21:19 |
| ali1234 | 2.4 and 3.something | 21:19 |
| popey | i would do the magic "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" :D | 21:20 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: by the way, if you know the name of a file you need, you can search for it with 'apt-file' (assuming that's installed) in case it's not clear what package it's a part of - use with caution, though | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | ah i think my system has the same problem | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | or similar | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | i keep seeing this in synaptic | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | where a library is marked as installed | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | but when i click properties and go to "installed files" tab | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | it says "installed files only available for packages that are installed" | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | and the library doesn't work | 21:21 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: thanks | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | TonyNorfolk: so what happens when you go do that? | 21:22 |
| TonyNorfolk | the .so.1 extension - I take it i dont need that | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | make sure that the libgdkmm-2.4 is installed too | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | d not t | 21:23 |
| TonyNorfolk | nothing comes up for libgdkmm-2.4 in synaptic | 21:24 |
| TonyNorfolk | for libgtdkmm there are four of them and they show as installed | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | in synaptic right click on the package and select properties | 21:25 |
| ali1234 | then go to installed files | 21:25 |
| TonyNorfolk | I have done that | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | one of the files should say libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:27 |
| ali1234 | where is it? | 21:27 |
| TonyNorfolk | I am looking in libgtkmm-2.4-dev and cant find .so.1 - there is a .so thoght | 21:28 |
| ali1234 | where is that? | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | wait not dev | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | the other one | 21:29 |
| TonyNorfolk | the 2.4c2a | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:29 |
| TonyNorfolk | the 2.4-1c2a | 21:29 |
| TonyNorfolk | yeah ok got it | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | so what is the full path? | 21:30 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/lib/libgdkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:30 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: how was your Ubuntu system installed? You appear to be missing some packages, and I'm wondering why. | 21:30 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: the packages are not missing, they are clearly installed as this indicates :) | 21:30 |
| TonyNorfolk | from a cd, but I had a nightmare with GRUB and partitioning my driv | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | ok so in terminal run file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:31 |
| TonyNorfolk | am i meant to put another command before file? | 21:33 |
| MartijnVdS | no, "file" is the command you're running | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | no put exactly what i said | 21:33 |
| TonyNorfolk | tony@AW2012:~$ file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:33 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1' (No such file or directory) | 21:33 |
| TonyNorfolk | tony@AW2012:~$ | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | so the package is installed but the files are missing | 21:34 |
| TonyNorfolk | how can that be | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | no idea but here we are | 21:34 |
| TonyNorfolk | do I reinstall these from somewhere | 21:34 |
| TonyNorfolk | in synaptic? or would that not replace the files | 21:35 |
| ali1234 | synaptic won't | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgtkmm-2.4 | 21:36 |
| TonyNorfolk | mmm knew it couldn't be simple lol | 21:36 |
| TonyNorfolk | thats done ali | 21:38 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234: | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | did it work? | 21:40 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234:tony@AW2012:~$ file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1 | 21:40 |
| TonyNorfolk | /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: symbolic link to `libgtkmm-2.4.so.1.1.0' | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | so try running it again | 21:40 |
| TonyNorfolk | is that right | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | yeah looks right | 21:40 |
| TonyNorfolk | with gksu | 21:40 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: which exact package did you install, as I have four which have libgtkmm-2.4 in the tite | 21:40 |
| ali1234 | dwatkins: the package must have been installed for the file path to appear in synaptic | 21:41 |
| dwatkins | you could check this with: dpkg -l | grep libgtkmm-2.4 | 21:41 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: oh right, sorry, of course | 21:41 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: it was the one with -1c2a | 21:42 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: ok cool, that's the same one I have installed | 21:42 |
| TonyNorfolk | BRILLIANT ALI1234 IT IS WORKING | 21:43 |
| TonyNorfolk | THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH | 21:43 |
| TonyNorfolk | YOU HAVE SHOWN ME SOME USEFUL TOOLS TOO | 21:43 |
| TonyNorfolk | THANKS DWATKINS ALSO | 21:43 |
| * dwatkins hands TonyNorfolk a pint of ribena and a new caps lock key ;) | 21:43 | |
| ali1234 | you should watch out for files going missing | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | it isn't normal | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | may indicate filesystem troubles ahead | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | or maybe an update just messed everything up | 21:44 |
| dwatkins | or disk failure, although that should be written in a great big message somewhere | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | check dmesg | 21:44 |
| TonyNorfolk | ok - thanks ali - I really need to learn the terminal | 21:46 |
| TonyNorfolk | Dwatkins: Ali1234: when I installed Ubuntu I had trouble with my partitions and it failed to install twice. | 21:47 |
| TonyNorfolk | I had to resize my partitions in Windows (ahhh) and then try again | 21:47 |
| TonyNorfolk | maybe that corrupted something | 21:48 |
| dwatkins | hmmm, that shouldn't lead to random files missing, TonyNorfolk, but perhaps it's related | 21:48 |
| dwatkins | as ali1234 suggests, run 'dmesg' in a terminal to see if there are errors reported in the messages since last boot | 21:48 |
| TonyNorfolk | oops | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | I just checked terminal and although gparted has loaded it says this | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | tony@AW2012:~$ gksu gparted | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | ====================== | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | libparted : 2.3 | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | ====================== | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | parted was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/mapper/isw_hbafcagfj_ARRAY (Device or resource busy). This means Linux won't know anything about the modifications you made. | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | Cannot have a partition outside the disk! | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | /dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label | 21:49 |
| TonyNorfolk | what do I do | 21:50 |
| dwatkins | probably best to use pastebin for that, TonyNorfolk | 21:50 |
| dwatkins | anything over a single line is best not pasted straight into the IRC channel | 21:50 |
| TonyNorfolk | oh, ok sorry | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | sounds like your partitioning is a bit messed up | 21:50 |
| TonyNorfolk | Yes, on Gpated it is show errors on two arrays | 21:54 |
| dwatkins | did you get it to repartition automatically when you installed this time around, TonyNorfolk? | 21:55 |
| TonyNorfolk | no - it never gave me that option. | 21:56 |
| dwatkins | hmmm, it should have let you choose where to install | 21:56 |
| TonyNorfolk | yes I selected the new partition I created with partition manager in windows, but I still had to manually install it there. Allocate a swap space etc... which to be honest I didn't really know what I was doing | 21:57 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: are you good with partitions? | 21:58 |
| TonyNorfolk | I was going to take a screenshot of what I have | 21:59 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: I wouldn't say they're my bestest friends, but I know them reasonably well | 21:59 |
| TonyNorfolk | can I sent a screenshot | 21:59 |
| TonyNorfolk | send | 21:59 |
| dwatkins | you shouldn't need to use windows to partition for an Ubuntu installation | 22:00 |
| dwatkins | it might be easier to re-do it from scratch, i.e. let it wipe the disk and put a standard partition layout on | 22:00 |
| TonyNorfolk | I am now in Gparted | 22:00 |
| dwatkins | you won't be able to change anything if you're booted from the disk itself, you'd need to completely wipe and reinstall to change/correct the partition layout | 22:01 |
| TonyNorfolk | ok | 22:01 |
| dwatkins | http://www.futuredesktop.org/oneiric/images/picture-3c.png - this is what you should see during install after bootingt from a USB stick and starting the installer | 22:01 |
| dwatkins | http://www.futuredesktop.org/ might be worth a read, seems to be a fairly good tutorial on the process | 22:01 |
| dwatkins | do you want any other operating system on the same disk, for dual-booting etc., TonyNorfolk? | 22:02 |
| TonyNorfolk | yes that why I never selected that option. | 22:03 |
| TonyNorfolk | I have to leave windows on here for my kids | 22:03 |
| dwatkins | ok, so you have Windows on the other half of the disk? | 22:03 |
| TonyNorfolk | yes | 22:03 |
| TonyNorfolk | but for me Ubuntu is going to be my primary system | 22:03 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I used to have a similar setup | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | i highly recommend moving windows to a virtual machine inside linux | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | it is much better than dual booting | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | for several reasons | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | not least that you can run them at the same time | 22:04 |
| dwatkins | I respectfully disagree, ali1234, if it's for gaming running Windows natively will be much faster | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | if you are gaming use wine | 22:05 |
| ali1234 | for everything else use virtualbox | 22:05 |
| dwatkins | if it's just for Windows applications, like MS Office, yeah | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | or adobe stuff | 22:06 |
| dwatkins | I've not had much success with Wine, I guess. | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | wine is only really usable for games | 22:06 |
| dwatkins | heh, I run all that on my work laptop ;) | 22:06 |
| dwatkins | last time I checked the Wine HQ database for a game, it told me that Sim City 2000 has a bug in saving the city where it crashes | 22:06 |
| ali1234 | the dos version works well in dosbox | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | that's a windows 3.1 game anyway | 22:07 |
| dwatkins | yeah, fair enough | 22:07 |
| dwatkins | I think it ran ok on Windows 95, but I see your point | 22:07 |
| ali1234 | you might not get that one exact game you wat | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | but there certainly a LOT of games that work in wine | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | anything popular for example | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | WoW, anything based on source... | 22:08 |
| dwatkins | neat | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | valve source | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | not open source | 22:08 |
| dwatkins | I wonder if Homeworld 2 will run on my Mac... | 22:08 |
| TonyNorfolk | you both have so much experience in linux - makes me envious | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I guessed you meant that | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | that's pretty much 99% of gamers | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: just takes time, is all | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | honestly i think you'd struggle to run sc2000 on windows 7 or w/e | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: L4D2 is probably the same engine too | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | yes it is | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | dunno if it works... azelphur would know he's the source expert :) | 22:09 |
| dwatkins | I'd run Sim City in Boxer/DOSbox but the resolution is awful ;) | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | tf2 certainly works | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | source questions o.O | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | and so does portal | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | what are we asking? | 22:10 |
| ali1234 | just saying, all the most popular games work in wine | 22:10 |
| dwatkins | will L4D2 run in Ubuntu in Wine and on OS X in Wine? | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | Yes but it has performance issues | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | ok cool | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | steam officially supports OS X for some games now, check | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | actually, there's an OS X port of it, so that's less of an issue ;) | 22:11 |
| Azelphur | If you have a pretty beefy machine it'll run ok on minimum settings | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | hehe | 22:11 |
| ali1234 | (it uses cider, which is based on wine) | 22:11 |
| dwatkins | so, in summary: Wine is better than it used to be when I last tried using it :) | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | yep | 22:13 |
| Azelphur | wine is always rapid improvement | 22:13 |
| popey | steam on osx uses cider!? | 22:13 |
| popey | I thought it was native | 22:13 |
| dwatkins | heh, good job I didn't uninstall macports... | 22:14 |
| Azelphur | yea I thought it was native too | 22:14 |
| Azelphur | perhaps that's why we arn't getting a -opengl switch :( | 22:14 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: I was going to say: there are lots of tutorials on how to setup dual-booted systems, should be fairly straightforward given you have Windows on there already | 22:14 |
| ali1234 | if you like sim city you'll love dwarf fortress, which has a native linux version | 22:15 |
| dwatkins | ooh | 22:15 |
| ali1234 | get the graphics pack though or you'll go ascii-blind | 22:16 |
| dwatkins | oh my, yes - see what you mean | 22:16 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins: yeah I looked into it a lot when I installed Ubuntu - but my partitions were so messed up and I wasn't sure about which array was which etc. when I went to the install screen. I think I will take your advice - I'm just backing up all my personal files at the moment | 22:17 |
| dwatkins | TonyNorfolk: yeah, having at least two backups is always a good plan :) | 22:17 |
| ali1234 | popey: i don't know if it's for all games but certainly for some | 22:20 |
| ali1234 | or maybe i imagined it | 22:22 |
| * AlanBell has data in oracle \o/ | 22:24 | |
| AlanBell | all I need to do now is get it out again | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | hmm skyrim is rated gold on winehq | 22:24 |
| ali1234 | i bet it's not really gold | 22:24 |
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| TonyNorfolk | bye all | 22:52 |
| TonyNorfolk | ali1234:thanks again | 22:52 |
| TonyNorfolk | dwatkins:thanks again | 22:52 |
| Laney | gah | 23:14 |
| Laney | how do people use the www without adblock? | 23:14 |
| Laney | first link goes to a page with an advert that automatically starts playing sound | 23:14 |
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