[00:20] <snap-l> HEllo from Caribou
[00:21] <jjesse> hello caribou
[00:21] <snap-l> Just me and V
[00:42] <rick_h> :(
[00:42] <rick_h> well sorry I'm not there, thought about it, but will be in bed here shortly myself
[00:42] <snap-l> No worries, mate. :)
[00:43] <snap-l> save your strength.
[00:54] <jjesse> rick_h,  you sick?
[00:54] <rick_h> jjesse: yea, basically dying, but all good
[00:55] <rick_h> I'm going to leave all my keyboards to MUG
[00:55] <jjesse> glad you are only basically dying
[00:55] <jjesse> hope you feel better soon :)
[00:55] <rick_h> my wife's looking at my meds going "geeze, you must have sounded bad to the doc" and I'm here like "wtf do you think I've been saying for days...dying here, not being dramatic
[00:55] <jjesse> wow
[00:55] <rick_h> thanks, will be all good in a week
[01:24] <greg-g> rick_h: hah, always get a second opinion :)
[01:33] <rick_h> greg-g: yea, I don't let my wife be my doctor, never a good plan
[01:40] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, never a good plan to go with Dr. Mom. "Suck it up, wuss"
[01:48] <rick_h> so next CHC we'll do some DAS screenshots showings
[01:48] <rick_h> I think it'll be cool, puts me to shame
[02:18] <snap-l> Very cool
[03:56] <greg-g> what the heck, one doesn't do anything, the other does something wrong, I can't figure it out
[03:56] <greg-g> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/575/
[03:58] <rick_h> ah, without the escaped it tried to expand it into two dirs? (Ubuntu|One)
[03:58] <rick_h> so make sure to put this in a script with set -e
[03:58] <Blazeix> remove the \'s escaping the spaces
[03:59] <Blazeix> i don't think you need that for quoted arguments
[03:59] <Blazeix> so the first one doesn't do anything because that folder doesn't exist
[04:00] <snap-l> https://github.com/craigmaloney/shownotes
[04:00] <rick_h> bah, yui pr4 breaks some tests
[04:00] <snap-l> rick_h: Shouldn't you be in bed? :)
[04:00] <rick_h> I am inbed
[04:00] <Blazeix> he's sleep-ircing
[04:00] <rick_h> too warm, can't sleep
[04:02] <snap-l> You'd probably sleep better if you didn't have a warm laptop blazing on your lap. :)
[04:04] <snap-l> OK, I'm calling it. Laterness.
[04:08] <rick_h> snap-l: no audacity file to test with?
[04:21] <rick_h> heh, and pull request baby! :)
[04:27] <rick_h> 369788
[11:06] <rick_h> morning
[11:10] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:10] <snap-l> rick_h: Thank you. :)
[11:11] <snap-l> It's not so much a diff, as a complete re-write, now is it? :)
[11:12] <snap-l> But it does clean things up a lot.
[11:14] <rick_h> snap-l: it's a diff, with an added file, little moving
[11:15] <rick_h> didn't have the audacity file to run a tests against, but hopefully close enough to get the idea
[11:15] <snap-l> Yeah, I'll check it against the file
[11:15] <snap-l> I should at least include the .aup file if I'm going to distribute this, shouldn't I?
[11:16] <snap-l> was just a quick "hey, it works, if someone wants to play with it..."
[11:17] <rick_h> or a link to a sample one in a readme at least
[11:17] <rick_h> but if you had tests, it'd be perfect test data :)
[11:18] <snap-l> heh
[11:23] <rick_h> jcastro: ok, trying this charm thing out, and my install seems to be running, but not seeing any of my log lines from there
[11:24]  * snap-l hasn't used the with convention. That's pretty nice.
[11:24] <rick_h> yea, context managers are cool stuff
[11:34] <snap-l> I'm not having any luck with doing a python setup.py install in a virtualenv
[11:34] <snap-l> it finishes, but then omcnotes doesn't run
[11:35] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/576/
[11:55] <rick_h> oh hmm, I just tried a setup.py develop last night
[11:55] <snap-l> It's not including any of the .py files under src
[11:55] <snap-l> no matter what I try.
[11:55] <rick_h> ah ok, so it's not including that  src directory then
[11:56] <rick_h> you pulled that right? it should package up the __init__.py and shownotes.py in the src directory I created
[11:56] <snap-l> yes
[11:57] <rick_h> ok, maybe you do need more then. I got a test to work with just that, but might have just been my venv
[11:57] <rick_h> normally I start packages with modern-package-template which sets up all the files and such
[11:58] <snap-l> Yes, I just started with a simple script. ;)
[11:58] <rick_h> right :)
[11:59] <rick_h> sorry, I'll look at it after work and see what I did, what I get coding while medicated
[12:03] <snap-l> rick_h: No worries. I do appreciate it. Just a little surprised to find my little script grew up overnight
[12:04] <snap-l> I hadn't even saved for college yet.
[12:09] <rick_h> heh, well once I started it seemed like something that could be generic/installed/etc
[12:10] <snap-l> Bah, I did something to make itwork
[12:11] <rick_h> lol
[12:11] <rick_h> I bet that you're on the directory now
[12:11] <rick_h> so you can see it
[12:11] <rick_h> which means it's not working right, just pretending to
[12:11] <rick_h> which is what fooled me last night into thinking that worked
[12:14] <snap-l> I think find_packages is what's causing it grief
[12:15] <snap-l> checking what's under egg_info, and it finally added it to SOURCES.txt
[12:22] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/577/
[12:22] <snap-l> That appears to work
[12:23] <snap-l> the find packages goes completely off the rails
[12:43] <brousch> snap-l: can you set up a modern-package-template snd then move your script into it?
[13:08] <snap-l> brousch: I think I got it working
[13:08] <snap-l> pushed my changes
[13:08] <snap-l> also included a test .aup file
[13:08] <snap-l> none of the accompanying .au files, though
[14:07] <greg-g> Blazeix: it does too exist :)
[14:07] <greg-g> greg@x220:~$ ls | grep Ubuntu
[14:07] <greg-g> Ubuntu One
[14:11] <greg-g> rick_h: set -e didn't change behavior, nor help diagnose :)
[14:12] <greg-g> when I have "/home/greg/Ubuntu One" it tries to do /home/greg/Ubunut and /home/greg/One. When I escape the space it just exits
[14:13] <rick_h> greg-g: so it must not be a space in the filename, character encoding issue perhaps?
[14:14] <greg-g> hrmm, no idea
[14:14] <rick_h> I would tab complete out hte name/string and then try to paste it into a hex editor or something and see if it's not a space, but something unicode funky perhaps
[14:14] <greg-g> that's be stupid of U1
[14:14] <greg-g> :)
[14:15] <rick_h> well just guessing at this point tbh
[14:16] <greg-g> rick_h: from vim http://paste.mitechie.com/show/578/
[14:16] <greg-g> looks like a space to you?
[14:19] <rick_h> yea
[14:24] <snap-l> Actually, that doesn't look like a space
[14:24] <snap-l> space hex is 20
[14:24] <rick_h> right, the second pair in the line is a 20
[14:24] <snap-l> And a good morning to you too
[14:24] <rick_h> 7520
[14:25] <snap-l> Yeah, tried right to left
[14:25] <snap-l> rsync is pretty picky about escaping, iirc
[14:26] <snap-l> greg-g: What are you looking to do?
[14:26] <greg-g> hmmm
[14:27] <greg-g> snap-l: rsync a fucking directory from laptop harddrive to external RAID, seems simple, eh?
[14:27] <greg-g> :)
[14:27] <rick_h> quit holding it wrong! :P
[14:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Don't escape and double quote
[14:29] <snap-l> U1_LAPTOP="/home/greg/Ubuntu One/"; U1_BACKUP="/media/BlackBox/Ubuntu One/"
[14:29] <snap-l> Try that instead
[14:30] <greg-g> baha!
[14:30] <greg-g> this worked:
[14:30] <greg-g> if [ -d "/home/greg/Ubuntu One" ]; then U1_LAPTOP="/home/greg/Ubuntu One/" U1_BACKUP="/media/BlackBox/Ubuntu One/" echo "\nU1\n" >> $LOG rsync -auvz "$U1_LAPTOP" "$U1_BACKUP" >> $LOG
[14:30] <greg-g> fi
[14:30] <greg-g> hrm, lost the line breaks
[14:31] <greg-g> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/582/
[14:31] <greg-g> ^^ works
[14:31] <snap-l> yep
[14:31] <greg-g> effing UNIX and filenames with spaces
[14:31] <greg-g> :)
[14:31] <snap-l> yep
[14:31] <snap-l> I'm so glad we use then for a default
[14:31] <greg-g> no. shit.
[14:31] <brousch> ug. feels like a monday
[14:32] <greg-g> alright, time to pack up and get to the Caltrain
[14:32] <rick_h> +1 to taht
[14:32] <rick_h> that
[14:32] <greg-g> one problem solved for the day, i don't need to go to work then, right? it isn't even 8am!
[14:33] <snap-l> greg-g: Today is the day we shall all clean our code.
[14:33] <greg-g> no kidding
[14:33] <snap-l> some of us just got an early start. (ht rick_h )
[14:33] <greg-g> task add "Review ALL backup scripts for stupid space on UNIX issues" proj:home due:wheneverthefuck pri:L
[14:33] <rick_h> :)
[14:34] <snap-l> rdiff-backup
[14:34] <snap-l> just back up the whole dam drive. ;)
[14:34] <rick_h> why backup? it's in the cloud man!
[14:34] <_Marcus> Anyone here from Michigan?
[14:34] <_Marcus> :P
[14:34] <rick_h> most of us, we do let a few stragglers in
[14:34] <snap-l> _Marcus: Pretty sure there's a large contingent
[14:35] <snap-l> some of us escaped, though
[14:35] <greg-g> I was in Michigan, now in SF, but I still like you Michiganders :)
[14:35] <greg-g> anywho, time to jet
[14:36] <_Marcus> Oakland University is in Oakland county, right?
[14:36] <snap-l> _Marcus: unless someone moved it, yep
[14:37] <_Marcus> snap-l: They could have moved it. There was a house on a flatbed truck yesterday.
[14:37] <snap-l> WEll, there's a lot of land that comprises OU. They'd need a really big flatbed.
[14:39] <snap-l> _Marcus: Just curious why you might be asking?
[14:40] <_Marcus> Asking about what
[14:40] <snap-l> OU being in Oakland County?
[14:40] <_Marcus> Just wondering
[14:49] <Blazeix> greg-g: sorry for not getting back to you. the directory "Ubuntu\ One" didn't exist
[14:50] <Blazeix> with the literal "\"
[15:16] <snap-l> Someone just asked me for permission to use the Scribus videos I did as part of a DVD
[15:17] <snap-l> Told them the CC gives them implicit permission for non-commercial projects
[15:17] <snap-l> If it turns out it's commercial, I'll ask him to just purchase something off my Amazon Wishlist as payment. ;)
[15:18] <snap-l> I'm easy.
[15:18] <rick_h> nice!
[15:18] <snap-l> Wonder at what point that video will be more harmful than good. ;)
[15:19]  * snap-l hasn't really played with Scribus in a while
[15:19] <_Marcus> What's Sribus?
[15:19] <snap-l> Desktop Publishing program
[15:19] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/projects/scribus-tutorial/
[15:19] <_Marcus> Like Microsoft Office Publisher, except for multiple platforms?
[15:20] <snap-l> Yep, that's the closest analogue
[15:20] <_Marcus> I wanted to make a replacement for the Microsoft Office Suite, but for Ubuntu. I never got around to it though :(
[15:21] <_Marcus> Replacement as in the word processor would be able to save .doc, load .doc, etc.
[15:21] <brousch> http://libreoffice.org
[15:21] <_Marcus> That does that?
[15:22] <brousch> indeed
[15:22] <_Marcus> :(
[15:22] <snap-l> About as well as anything out there.
[15:22] <brousch> _Marcus: i suspect you have no idea the pain involved with what you were trying to do
[15:23] <_Marcus> I don't
[15:23] <brousch> reverse-engineering proprietary MS formats
[15:23] <_Marcus> .docx is just a zip file with a bunch of xml files inside of it
[15:23] <snap-l> _Marcus: On the surface, yes
[15:23] <snap-l> but there's a bunch of secret sauce that MS doesn't publish about that format
[15:24] <snap-l> or they publish it in such a way as to be unusable
[15:24] <_Marcus> I'll figure it out myself
[15:24] <snap-l> I admire your spirit
[15:25] <snap-l> Here's something that handles Excel .xlsx files: http://packages.python.org/openpyxl/
[15:25] <_Marcus> People have made Unix "clones" without using the source code of Unix itself
[15:25] <snap-l> _Marcus: That's because they actually had access to the APIs that were used for a while before AT&T closed off the source
[15:26] <brousch> _Marcus: why do you want to do this?
[15:27] <_Marcus> brousch: Because I asked people why they didn't want to switch to Ubuntu, and the main answer was "word"
[15:27] <_Marcus> Anyway, I have to go
[15:27] <_Marcus> Bye all
[15:53] <rick_h> ok, talk accepted to penguicon, no backing out now
[15:53] <rick_h> krondor: you get yours in?
[16:09] <greg-g> Blazeix: ah, gotcha, yeah. It only took the explanations from two IRC channels for me to fix it (even though people were probably saying the same thing, I just didn't understand their explanations) :)
[16:09] <snap-l> rick_h: I think that's just a scheduling account creation
[16:09] <snap-l> I'm not seeing an actual schedule on there
[16:10] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, but I'm registered, etc. So it's accepted and on the list
[16:11] <snap-l> rick_h: And now is when you'll realize you've been scheduled for 5 panels. ;)
[16:11] <rick_h> ruh roh!
[16:11] <greg-g> wow, Marcus is very ambitious
[16:11] <snap-l> You'll be talking about Open SUSE
[18:19] <greg-g> DO NOT POP YOUR HEAD OVER THE CUBICLE WALL TO SAY "Hey, I just sent you an email" WHEN YOU JUST SENT ME AN EMAIL. I WILL READ IT AND REPLY WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE. IS IT AN EMERGENCY? DON'T SEND AN EMAIL.
[18:20] <greg-g> effing prairie dog co-workers
[18:20] <ColonelPanic001> ^this
[18:20] <ColonelPanic001> addendum: if you know my answer to a phone call is going to be "would you mind emailing that?", skip the call and just email that.
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> further: don't call me, ever. We have an XMPP server and an email serve.
[18:21] <ColonelPanic001> this is not 1973. Stop using POTS.
[18:21] <greg-g> :)
[18:22] <greg-g> I have 9 voicemails currently on my cell phone. I think I'll wait until there are 15 to listen to them and delete them.
[18:23] <snap-l> greg-g: That drives me nuts as well
[18:24] <snap-l> If it's more important than an e-mail, then it must mean you're on fire.
[18:24] <snap-l> and if you're not on fire, it's not that important.
[18:26] <jrwren> greg-g: first problem is that you work at a place with cubical walls :)
[18:26] <jrwren> i have not worked in a cube in almost 5 yrs.
[18:27] <jrwren> i'll never go back.
[18:27] <brousch> greg-g: you _listen_ to voicemails? i read mine via google voice
[18:28] <greg-g> jrwren: well, its those half high "cubes"
[18:28] <greg-g> brousch: yeah, that is the thing that is tempting me for GVoice, but, I just don't think I'm up for Google having control of my voicemail quite yet
[18:29] <brousch> better than verizon having it
[18:29] <greg-g> actually, not sure about that
[18:30] <greg-g> they (verizon, sprint, att) have to follow certain rules, Google doesn't
[19:41] <snap-l>  greg-g When did you become a cranky old man? :)
[19:55] <brousch> geez. it takes forever to update the android sdk
[20:38] <greg-g> snap-l: :)
[22:19] <greg-g> rick_h: oh no. :/ My thoughts are with you.
[22:20] <rick_h> greg-g: ty
[22:28] <snap-l> Unity 5.8.0 isn't fully cooked yet, eh?
[22:28] <snap-l> Apparently it's still being worked on. They're cautioning doc writers to eitehr use the staged version, or wait until release.
[22:32] <greg-g> wha? huh
[22:32] <greg-g> you mean, the thing that will be the interface for the release that is now in beta2?
[22:33] <snap-l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-March/000943.html
[22:35] <greg-g> wow, quite a few high importance bugs still: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/5.8.0
[22:40] <snap-l> http://glossolaliarecords.bandcamp.com/album/skeld-prisotnost <- A little overdrive goes a long way.
[22:48] <snap-l> http://mothor.bandcamp.com/track/amazing-pony-comedy
[22:49] <greg-g> my god, that first one
[22:50] <greg-g> seriously?
[22:50] <snap-l> greg-g: I know
[22:50] <snap-l> And that's not the worst I've heard.
[22:50] <greg-g> dislike button plz
[22:52] <greg-g> snap-l: You should do a OMC Rejects episode every now and then :)
[22:52] <snap-l> greg-g: Trust me, you wouldn't want to listen to it
[22:52] <greg-g> haha, I know
[22:52] <greg-g> the idea just makes me smile
[22:52] <snap-l> I've had some suggestions for things that just... ugh
[22:52] <greg-g> "OHHH A Party!"
[22:52]  * greg-g is singing along to this one
[22:54] <snap-l> http://machinagz.bandcamp.com/track/bendito-malestar <- This is getting played when they get their downloads sorted.
[22:54]  * greg-g wasn't really singing along, just fyi
[22:54] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh you totally were, I know it
[22:55]  * snap-l knows that greg-g is totally a brony.
[22:55] <snap-l> OK, here's a new genre: post grunge
[22:56] <snap-l> I swear, they just make shit up
[22:57] <snap-l> "hard rock metal post-grunge sludge hardcore noise fluffernutter ballsack shennannigans techno"
[22:58] <greg-g> loveyoumom
[23:01] <snap-l> Just once I'd like to download an album from archive.org (non-classical) that didn't make me want to punch somoene.
[23:08] <brousch> hm, sludge sounds good
[23:08] <brousch> link?
[23:08] <snap-l> http://karpiskarpiskarpis.bandcamp.com/album/puswolf
[23:10] <snap-l> That's not the one that I was referring. I closed that tab. :)
[23:16] <brousch> i kind of like it
[23:17] <brousch> singing is annoying though
[23:17] <brousch> sorry, vocals