| === queery is now known as Guest38077 | ||
| Guest38077 | oops | 05:12 |
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| === queery1985 is now known as nick_issues | ||
| nick_issues | how long am I going to have to wait for it to time out | 05:27 |
| Kilos | morning all | 06:37 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 06:37 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 06:37 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 06:41 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 06:41 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 06:41 |
| Kilos | later | 06:43 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 07:23 |
| Kilos | hi there superfly dLimit and others | 07:25 |
| Kilos | gonna try irssi on this xubuntu as xchat is stom | 07:27 |
| dLimit | Goeie more | 07:38 |
| Kilos | dag se | 07:38 |
| Kilos | hi Banlam | 07:39 |
| Banlam | gday | 07:39 |
| Kilos | yay | 07:42 |
| === Kilos_ is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | gc morning | 07:51 |
| gc | hi there | 07:51 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 08:03 |
| nlsthzn | Hey uncle Kilos | 08:03 |
| Kilos | later guys | 08:15 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 09:52 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 09:52 | |
| Kilos | inetpro, hiya | 09:52 |
| nlsthzn | maaz should flip the coffee timer :/ | 09:52 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha | 09:52 |
| Kilos | i wonder why he didnt answer you nlsthzn | 09:53 |
| Kilos | should must mean something else to him | 09:53 |
| nlsthzn | Like life I guess he has dedided to ignore me :p | 09:53 |
| Kilos | still no news on permit? | 09:53 |
| nlsthzn | nope... and today if our "Friday" if you like and I am supposed to start working again Saturday >.< | 09:54 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 09:56 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 09:56 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 09:56 |
| Kilos | eish nlsthzn thats not nice | 10:28 |
| nlsthzn | :( | 10:28 |
| Kilos | is there no one you can fone to get things moving | 10:29 |
| Kilos | or get your works head to call the permit peeps | 10:29 |
| nlsthzn | :) it is now in the hands of the goverment - the Critical National Infrastructure Authority (CNIA) - Basically the army :/ | 10:31 |
| Kilos | eish and they in no hurry if they like saudi | 10:32 |
| nlsthzn | I have heard horror stories... | 10:32 |
| Kilos | tell | 10:32 |
| nlsthzn | :) well I have heard of two seperate instances where guys where waiting for months to get their passes... lucky for them they where Arab (not local but still from the ME) so I am sure they will get away with it... | 10:35 |
| nlsthzn | for a South African I doubt I will still have a job if that happens :/ | 10:35 |
| Kilos | eish | 10:36 |
| Kilos | and you not allowed to do pj's either without a permit hey? | 10:36 |
| nlsthzn | pj? | 10:37 |
| Kilos | private jobs | 10:37 |
| Kilos | or do pc repairs etc from home | 10:37 |
| nlsthzn | oh I can do what I like I guess... then again I am stuck in the middle of nowhere and there is basically nothing else to do ... lol ... oh well... I guess the wait continues and the Rum is finished @#$@#$ | 10:39 |
| Kilos | ai | 10:39 |
| Kilos | that never helped anything for more than a night | 10:40 |
| nlsthzn | lol... but it tastes good and if you have enough it lasts many nights | 10:40 |
| nlsthzn | just kidding however | 10:40 |
| Kilos | lol | 10:41 |
| nlsthzn | we have been unable to get out liquor licenses as well... this company is full of **** | 10:41 |
| Kilos | them peeps dont drink at all i think | 10:41 |
| Kilos | im sure boet said alcohol was illegal in saudi | 10:42 |
| nlsthzn | yup | 10:43 |
| nlsthzn | here it is allowed | 10:43 |
| nlsthzn | tollerated is a better word I guess | 10:43 |
| Kilos | lol oh yours are the decadent ones | 10:43 |
| nlsthzn | they allow it for non muslims in any case :) | 10:44 |
| Kilos | bbl | 11:04 |
| zeref | hmmmm | 12:57 |
| === Mzolisto_ is now known as Mzolisto | ||
| Kilos | afternoon all | 14:30 |
| Kilos | nearly home time | 14:30 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 14:31 |
| * Maaz puts the kettle on | 14:31 | |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 14:34 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 14:35 |
| Kilos | Maaz, ty | 14:35 |
| Maaz | You are welcome Kilos | 14:35 |
| Kilos | bb tonite | 14:59 |
| Kilos | eveningall | 17:57 |
| Kilos | sjoe disappearing space bar | 17:57 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 18:00 |
| Kilos | hiya superfly | 18:00 |
| Symmetria | http://www.zastore.co.za/displays.php | 18:15 |
| Symmetria | should I go buy myself one of those | 18:15 |
| Symmetria | I really want one of those, look at the resolution, but holy shit, look at the price tag | 18:16 |
| zeref_debian | hmmmm | 18:25 |
| Symmetria | heh, seriously, thats probably the best monitor Ive seen for sale in .za | 18:26 |
| zeref_debian | sigh | 18:29 |
| zeref_debian | Symmetria: get it :) | 18:29 |
| zeref_debian | hmmm, everytime debian boots time starts at 18:22 | 18:31 |
| magespawn | evening all | 18:48 |
| Kilos | hiya magespawn | 18:56 |
| superfly | hiya magespawn | 18:57 |
| magespawn | Whats up peeps? | 18:58 |
| Kilos | prices | 18:59 |
| Kilos | they reckon petrol going up another 64c a litre most likely so everythings prices gonna join in | 18:59 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 19:04 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 19:04 | |
| magespawn | Well if that is not the best news I have had all day then I do not know what is. | 19:04 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha. you so funny at times | 19:04 |
| Kilos | petrol alone is on its way to crippling us | 19:05 |
| Kilos | otherwise the sun shone down lekker all day | 19:06 |
| magespawn | On the plus side, we can all get a lot fitter, and telecomute will become a way of life | 19:06 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:07 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 19:08 |
| Kilos | otherwise xubuntu xchat still sucks | 19:08 |
| Kilos | Maaz, danke | 19:08 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 19:08 |
| Kilos | im sure there is something busted in my conf files | 19:09 |
| Kilos | but dpkg cant sort it either | 19:09 |
| Kilos | yet | 19:09 |
| Kilos | will fix it or die trying | 19:09 |
| Kilos | hows things with you magespawn | 19:10 |
| magespawn | Trying to get filezilla ftp server running at home | 19:11 |
| Kilos | why dont you use ubuntu server software | 19:11 |
| Kilos | is filezilla related to firefox? | 19:12 |
| Kilos | dunno where i got that idea | 19:12 |
| magespawn | I think was/is an add on for firefox | 19:14 |
| magespawn | This is on the windows machine but it is running apache and other open source server software | 19:14 |
| Kilos | and firewall and antivirus. sigh | 19:15 |
| Kilos | if its a local server for you ok but if you gonna let other peeps in i wouldnt trust it too far | 19:16 |
| Kilos | lo Banlam nuvolari | 19:16 |
| Symmetria | lol | 19:18 |
| Symmetria | my damn puppy almost broke the glass sliding door attacking a ghecko | 19:18 |
| Symmetria | again | 19:18 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:19 |
| Banlam | g'devening | 19:19 |
| Symmetria | lol, the ghecko gets on the other side of the glass and she growls and barks at it | 19:19 |
| Symmetria | and will sit there for hours watching it | 19:19 |
| Banlam | aren't animals adorable | 19:19 |
| Banlam | while you watch the dog | 19:19 |
| Symmetria | http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie4.jpg | 19:19 |
| Symmetria | look at that lol | 19:19 |
| Symmetria | I piled all sorts of shit infront of the door to stop her jumping up against it | 19:20 |
| * Banlam takes a pic of Symmetria watching his dog watch the gecko | 19:20 | |
| Kerbero_ | lol | 19:20 |
| kbmonkey | lo nuvolari Kilos Banlam Symmetria | 19:20 |
| Kerbero_ | banlam you stalker | 19:20 |
| kbmonkey | Kerbero_ o/ | 19:20 |
| Symmetria | banlam lol my dog will haunt you | 19:20 |
| Kilos | hi kbmonkey welcome to ubuntu-za | 19:20 |
| Symmetria | she's spawn of satan | 19:20 |
| Symmetria | :p | 19:20 |
| Symmetria | have you seen her spawn of satan photo? | 19:20 |
| magespawn | Kilos it is just for home use at the moment | 19:21 |
| Banlam | Symmetria, yeah saw it last night | 19:21 |
| Symmetria | http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie3.jpg <=== see, spawn of satan :p | 19:21 |
| Kerbero_ | hello all | 19:21 |
| Symmetria | hehe | 19:21 |
| Banlam | what's her name btw? | 19:21 |
| Symmetria | Morocca, she was named by her previous owner | 19:21 |
| === Kerbero_ is now known as Kerberos | ||
| Banlam | how long have you had her? | 19:21 |
| kbmonkey | i just boosted my wifi signal by coiling hi quality audio flex around the antenna. it works a treat | 19:21 |
| kbmonkey | thereifixedit :D | 19:21 |
| Symmetria | lol but she responds if you call her anything, she always knows when she's being called, I could stand outside and yell, COME HERE BREADBOARD and she'd still come :p | 19:21 |
| === Kerberos is now known as Kerberos[home] | ||
| Symmetria | banlam only a week :) | 19:22 |
| Banlam | lol | 19:22 |
| Banlam | oh :P | 19:22 |
| Banlam | previous owner? | 19:22 |
| Kilos | hi Kerberos[home] | 19:22 |
| Symmetria | some chick in capetown who advertised to rehome her on gumtree :p | 19:22 |
| Kerberos[home] | kilos :) | 19:22 |
| === Kerberos[home] is now known as Kerbero[home] | ||
| Banlam | why did she not want her? | 19:22 |
| Symmetria | lol I asked the chick why she was rehoming her, she said that when she got the pup she hadnt done enough research into the breed and the dog was 2 difficult to handle and had 2 much energy to cope with | 19:23 |
| magespawn | And the gecko is on the outside. | 19:23 |
| Banlam | lol | 19:23 |
| Symmetria | banlam heh, she's a cross between a weimaraner and an australian kelpie, meaning that she has 2 base instincts, one is to herd things and the other is to hunt them | 19:23 |
| Symmetria | and she has endless endless energy | 19:23 |
| Kilos | open the door and teach the dog the gecko is outside | 19:24 |
| Symmetria | kilos haahah no, she already hunts way 2 many lizards, frogs and everything else that moves :P | 19:24 |
| Kilos | hehe | 19:24 |
| Symmetria | I scolded her for chewing on something she wasnt meant to, she went outside for an hour, came back inside with a dead bird in her mouth, dropped it at my feet and lay down with it between her paws, as some kinda "I'm sorry" gift | 19:25 |
| Kilos | frogs make then foam at the mouth then you think your dog is going mad | 19:25 |
| magespawn | Get a Jack Russell, and watch them tear the place apart. | 19:25 |
| * Kilos is a staffie fan | 19:25 | |
| Symmetria | heh magespawn the difference between a jack russell and this one, a jack russell typically won't figure out how to open every door of every cupboard and the fridge :P | 19:25 |
| Symmetria | and is also 2 small to figure out it can jump on almost any table if there is something to steal :p | 19:25 |
| magespawn | Yup too small and a bit thick | 19:26 |
| Symmetria | had this pup 2 days and put a lock on the fridge, was the same deal with my weimaraners | 19:26 |
| magespawn | Very good tracking dogs used for anti-poaching | 19:26 |
| Kerbero[home] | weimeraners! | 19:26 |
| Symmetria | heh kerbero lol they are my favorite breed | 19:27 |
| Kerbero[home] | o | 19:27 |
| Symmetria | I had 2 previously before this one | 19:28 |
| Symmetria | except those didnt have kelpie in them | 19:28 |
| Kerbero[home] | hehe | 19:28 |
| Symmetria | lol though this pup is like 90% weimaraner, and the only kelpie bit in her seems to be her energy levels | 19:28 |
| Kerbero[home] | rather you than me | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | lol, she's awesome :) | 19:29 |
| Kerbero[home] | never thought about getting a cat? | 19:29 |
| Kerbero[home] | and taking over the world? | 19:29 |
| Symmetria | weimaraners are rather neurotic dogs, but their rep is just because people dont know how to handle them, they require someone who knows what they are doing | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | cause typically a weimaraner gets incredibly attached to its owners, and they kinda freak out if they dont get enough attention or if their owners disappear for 2 long | 19:30 |
| Symmetria | and when a weimaraner is bored or not getting enough attention lol, you have trouble, they will tear shit up until someone gives them attention | 19:31 |
| Symmetria | heh I see the gauteng municipality wants to land itself in court | 19:33 |
| Symmetria | for violating the ECA :p | 19:34 |
| Kilos | ECA? | 19:38 |
| Kilos | dont give me a link please | 19:39 |
| Kerbero[home] | i also wondered | 19:39 |
| Kerbero[home] | :P | 19:39 |
| Kilos | Symmetria, ^^ | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | electronic communications act Kilos | 19:40 |
| Kilos | ty kbmonkey you well lad. meds working? | 19:40 |
| kbmonkey | found it haliarious how the SOPA site used a background on their website that was not attributed to the artist | 19:41 |
| kbmonkey | blerrie hypocrites | 19:41 |
| Kilos | its like adverts. all use sexy chicks and sell completely unrelated products | 19:42 |
| Kilos | hilarious | 19:44 |
| Kilos | that looks closer | 19:44 |
| Kilos | Maaz, spell hilarious | 19:44 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Looks good to me | 19:44 |
| kbmonkey | clever bot | 19:48 |
| magespawn | How did they violate the ECa? | 19:52 |
| Symmetria | heh ECA = the telecommunications law | 19:52 |
| Symmetria | magespawn because they banned more fiber deployments in gauteng | 19:52 |
| Symmetria | and the ECA specifically says that any license holder has the right to lay fiber on *ANY* public land | 19:52 |
| Symmetria | providing that htey clean up after themselves and give reasonable notice | 19:52 |
| Symmetria | it is *INCREDIBLY* clear about the rights of license holders and the johannesburg municipality has no legal right to refuse anyone the right to lay fiber | 19:53 |
| Banlam | what are there reasons for refusing them? | 19:53 |
| Banlam | *their | 19:53 |
| Symmetria | banlam they came out and said there is a blanket modatoriam on any new fiber in joburg | 19:53 |
| magespawn | So the licensee can just go ahead then | 19:54 |
| Symmetria | that no one else other than themselves is allowed to lay anymore | 19:54 |
| kbmonkey | never realized there are quite a few unix shell accounts available online | 19:54 |
| Banlam | so their reason for this, is so the municipality can continue to lay fibre without any one lese? | 19:54 |
| Banlam | anyone else* | 19:54 |
| Symmetria | magespawn technically yes, but they could just dig it up again :P the licensees will see them in court shortly Im sure | 19:54 |
| Symmetria | apparently there is an urgent application for an interdict against the modatoriam being heard tomorrow in court | 19:55 |
| Symmetria | banlam basically thats what I believe it translates to, they arent stating what their reason is, but thats what it comes down to | 19:55 |
| magespawn | What a joke | 19:55 |
| Banlam | ic | 19:55 |
| magespawn | So somebodies brother can get the tender | 19:56 |
| Kilos | not moratorium | 19:56 |
| Symmetria | basically, they gonna get taken to court | 19:56 |
| Symmetria | and sued | 19:56 |
| Symmetria | and are gonna lose and get saddled with a huge bill by the courts | 19:57 |
| Symmetria | cause they are getting sued for lost revenue and costs | 19:57 |
| Kilos | Maaz, spell modatorium | 19:57 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Suggestions: Moratorium or moratorium | 19:57 |
| Symmetria | including I believe the salaries of the 4000+ people who cant work as a result of this | 19:57 |
| magespawn | Such a waste of time and public money | 19:57 |
| Banlam | what's wrong with moratorium? | 19:58 |
| magespawn | Bet they cannot go after the officials money directly | 19:58 |
| Banlam | nvrmnd | 19:58 |
| kbmonkey | that's some rigmarole | 19:58 |
| Symmetria | magespawn heh, the gauteng muncipality is going to find itself liable | 19:58 |
| Symmetria | heh, the costs involved in putting 4000+ people outta work for a week | 19:58 |
| Symmetria | are... huge | 19:59 |
| magespawn | Which means the gauten g public | 19:59 |
| Symmetria | heh, on the higher end, you're looking at 15k per person, on the low end, a grand a person, so anywhere between 10 and 100 million worth of costs right there | 19:59 |
| kbmonkey | do you think this would have not happend Symmetria if telecoms were privately owned? | 19:59 |
| kbmonkey | okay that's may be a rhetorical question ;) | 20:00 |
| Symmetria | kbmonkey well, a lot of telecomms is privately owned | 20:00 |
| Symmetria | the problem is that the muncipalities want a piece of that pie | 20:00 |
| kbmonkey | so I have it wrong that govt has 49% of rights in that pie | 20:01 |
| magespawn | Illegally | 20:01 |
| kbmonkey | like they always do. for the people.. like hell | 20:01 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 20:02 |
| Symmetria | kbmonkey yes | 20:02 |
| Symmetria | that is incorrect | 20:02 |
| magespawn | Through telkom but they r3fuse tus fiber because theymeed to recoup the cost of copper | 20:02 |
| Symmetria | a.) the government doesnt own much of neotel at all | 20:02 |
| Symmetria | and b.) the government shareholding of telkom is FAR less than 49% | 20:03 |
| Symmetria | its closer to like 36 I think | 20:03 |
| magespawn | But the | 20:05 |
| magespawn | Major problemis the wasting of time and money | 20:05 |
| kbmonkey | okay so they dropped some shares. I shouldn't blurt out old info, could be disasterous | 20:05 |
| Symmetria | kbmonkey they aint owned 49% for a LONG time | 20:06 |
| Symmetria | direct government share holding is 38% | 20:07 |
| Symmetria | though there is also the elephant consortium and thats where stuff gets confusing cause they own a whack of shares as well | 20:07 |
| Symmetria | fact is though, telkom is skirting the edges of bankcrupcy | 20:08 |
| Kerbero[home] | you should just go bankrupt | 20:08 |
| Kerbero[home] | *they | 20:08 |
| Kerbero[home] | wow that is a bad typo | 20:08 |
| Symmetria | kerbero thats distinctly possible if they are made to pay the fine they are facing | 20:08 |
| Kerbero[home] | o | 20:08 |
| magespawn | lol | 20:08 |
| Symmetria | they are facing a fine of almost 3.5 billion | 20:08 |
| Kerbero[home] | so telkom is maybe going to pay a fine? | 20:09 |
| Symmetria | kerbero they have already been found guilty | 20:09 |
| Symmetria | the only question is how big is the fine gonna be | 20:09 |
| Kerbero[home] | hmm | 20:09 |
| kbmonkey | internet revolution! | 20:09 |
| Symmetria | and the recommendation from the tribunal that found them guilty is around 3.5 billion rand | 20:09 |
| magespawn | Which will come from joe public again | 20:09 |
| Kerbero[home] | but i don't understand or did not follow, what is telkom guilty of | 20:10 |
| Kerbero[home] | except for that people out of work | 20:10 |
| Kerbero[home] | what did they do | 20:10 |
| Symmetria | kerbero anti-competitive practices in the DSL market | 20:10 |
| Symmetria | basically inflating the price of IPC to keep other ISP's outta the game | 20:10 |
| magespawn | They do not have that kind of money, do they? | 20:10 |
| Symmetria | well, that was the primary issue | 20:10 |
| Kerbero[home] | ahh | 20:10 |
| Kerbero[home] | ok | 20:11 |
| Symmetria | magespawn, heh, they USED to have that kinda money, they dont have any more | 20:11 |
| magespawn | And that still did not work anyway. | 20:11 |
| Symmetria | how it works is that the fine is based on 10% of annual revenue for the year in which hte offense happened | 20:11 |
| Symmetria | the year in question here happened to be before they sold vodacom | 20:11 |
| magespawn | Ouch | 20:11 |
| Symmetria | which means their annual turnover included the revenue flows from their 50% holding of vodacom | 20:11 |
| Symmetria | which was telkom's cashcow | 20:11 |
| magespawn | What are the options? Get vodacom to pay their share? | 20:12 |
| Symmetria | when Telkom sold off that 50% share in vodacom, they also had a TON of cash, and their shareholders wouldnt let them keep it | 20:12 |
| Symmetria | it was paid out by and large as a dividend | 20:12 |
| Symmetria | magespawn zero options there | 20:12 |
| magespawn | Of course | 20:12 |
| Symmetria | vodacom isnt liable | 20:12 |
| Symmetria | heh, the funny part is, Telkom had no real option but to sell vodacom, but without vodacom they are kinda screwed cause telkom made up more than 70% of their profit | 20:13 |
| Symmetria | but they *HAD* to sell it, that wasnt optional at all | 20:13 |
| Symmetria | heh you guys know the reason behind the sale of vodacom btw? the real reason? | 20:14 |
| Symmetria | its kinda a funny story :p | 20:14 |
| Symmetria | Vodacom board if I remeber correctly, was made up of 2 Telkom members, 2 Vodaphone members and 2 internal members inside Vodacom itself (or something like that, with that kinda distribution) | 20:14 |
| Symmetria | the guys inside vodacom decided they didnt like telkom | 20:15 |
| Symmetria | so they were always gonna vote with the other guys | 20:15 |
| Symmetria | and basically, telkom as a result completely lost all control of what amounted to most of their revenue :P | 20:15 |
| Symmetria | (well, thats the story out in the market, and I'd say chances are, its probably pretty accurate) | 20:15 |
| magespawn | Lol | 20:16 |
| Kerbero[home] | well done | 20:17 |
| magespawn | Brb | 20:17 |
| magespawn | Back | 20:18 |
| magespawn | Was 50% owned by Vodafone ? | 20:19 |
| Symmetria | magespawn something like that yeah | 20:29 |
| magespawn | Ahh well then | 20:31 |
| magespawn | Off to bed later all | 20:31 |
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