=== queery is now known as Guest38077 [05:12] oops === queery1985 is now known as nick_issues [05:27] how long am I going to have to wait for it to time out [06:37] morning all [06:37] Maaz, coffee on [06:37] * Maaz washes some mugs [06:41] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [06:41] Maaz, ty [06:41] You are welcome Kilos [06:43] later [07:23] hi Kilos [07:25] hi there superfly dLimit and others [07:27] gonna try irssi on this xubuntu as xchat is stom [07:38] Goeie more [07:38] dag se [07:39] hi Banlam [07:39] gday [07:42] yay === Kilos_ is now known as Kilos [07:51] gc morning [07:51] hi there [08:03] hi nlsthzn [08:03] Hey uncle Kilos [08:15] later guys [09:52] Maaz, coffee on [09:52] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [09:52] inetpro, hiya [09:52] maaz should flip the coffee timer :/ [09:52] ha ha ha [09:53] i wonder why he didnt answer you nlsthzn [09:53] should must mean something else to him [09:53] Like life I guess he has dedided to ignore me :p [09:53] still no news on permit? [09:54] nope... and today if our "Friday" if you like and I am supposed to start working again Saturday >.< [09:56] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [09:56] Maaz, ty [09:56] You are welcome Kilos [10:28] eish nlsthzn thats not nice [10:28] :( [10:29] is there no one you can fone to get things moving [10:29] or get your works head to call the permit peeps [10:31] :) it is now in the hands of the goverment - the Critical National Infrastructure Authority (CNIA) - Basically the army :/ [10:32] eish and they in no hurry if they like saudi [10:32] I have heard horror stories... [10:32] tell [10:35] :) well I have heard of two seperate instances where guys where waiting for months to get their passes... lucky for them they where Arab (not local but still from the ME) so I am sure they will get away with it... [10:35] for a South African I doubt I will still have a job if that happens :/ [10:36] eish [10:36] and you not allowed to do pj's either without a permit hey? [10:37] pj? [10:37] private jobs [10:37] or do pc repairs etc from home [10:39] oh I can do what I like I guess... then again I am stuck in the middle of nowhere and there is basically nothing else to do ... lol ... oh well... I guess the wait continues and the Rum is finished @#$@#$ [10:39] ai [10:40] that never helped anything for more than a night [10:40] lol... but it tastes good and if you have enough it lasts many nights [10:40] just kidding however [10:41] lol [10:41] we have been unable to get out liquor licenses as well... this company is full of **** [10:41] them peeps dont drink at all i think [10:42] im sure boet said alcohol was illegal in saudi [10:43] yup [10:43] here it is allowed [10:43] tollerated is a better word I guess [10:43] lol oh yours are the decadent ones [10:44] they allow it for non muslims in any case :) [11:04] bbl [12:57] hmmmm === Mzolisto_ is now known as Mzolisto [14:30] afternoon all [14:30] nearly home time [14:31] Maaz, coffee on [14:31] * Maaz puts the kettle on [14:34] hi psydroid [14:35] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [14:35] Maaz, ty [14:35] You are welcome Kilos [14:59] bb tonite [17:57] eveningall [17:57] sjoe disappearing space bar [18:00] hi Kilos [18:00] hiya superfly [18:15] http://www.zastore.co.za/displays.php [18:15] should I go buy myself one of those [18:16] I really want one of those, look at the resolution, but holy shit, look at the price tag [18:25] hmmmm [18:26] heh, seriously, thats probably the best monitor Ive seen for sale in .za [18:29] sigh [18:29] Symmetria: get it :) [18:31] hmmm, everytime debian boots time starts at 18:22 [18:48] evening all [18:56] hiya magespawn [18:57] hiya magespawn [18:58] Whats up peeps? [18:59] prices [18:59] they reckon petrol going up another 64c a litre most likely so everythings prices gonna join in [19:04] Maaz, coffee on [19:04] * Maaz washes some mugs [19:04] Well if that is not the best news I have had all day then I do not know what is. [19:04] ha ha ha. you so funny at times [19:05] petrol alone is on its way to crippling us [19:06] otherwise the sun shone down lekker all day [19:06] On the plus side, we can all get a lot fitter, and telecomute will become a way of life [19:07] yeah [19:08] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [19:08] otherwise xubuntu xchat still sucks [19:08] Maaz, danke [19:08] Bitteschön [19:09] im sure there is something busted in my conf files [19:09] but dpkg cant sort it either [19:09] yet [19:09] will fix it or die trying [19:10] hows things with you magespawn [19:11] Trying to get filezilla ftp server running at home [19:11] why dont you use ubuntu server software [19:12] is filezilla related to firefox? [19:12] dunno where i got that idea [19:14] I think was/is an add on for firefox [19:14] This is on the windows machine but it is running apache and other open source server software [19:15] and firewall and antivirus. sigh [19:16] if its a local server for you ok but if you gonna let other peeps in i wouldnt trust it too far [19:16] lo Banlam nuvolari [19:18] lol [19:18] my damn puppy almost broke the glass sliding door attacking a ghecko [19:18] again [19:19] lol [19:19] g'devening [19:19] lol, the ghecko gets on the other side of the glass and she growls and barks at it [19:19] and will sit there for hours watching it [19:19] aren't animals adorable [19:19] while you watch the dog [19:19] http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie4.jpg [19:19] look at that lol [19:20] I piled all sorts of shit infront of the door to stop her jumping up against it [19:20] * Banlam takes a pic of Symmetria watching his dog watch the gecko [19:20] lol [19:20] lo nuvolari Kilos Banlam Symmetria [19:20] banlam you stalker [19:20] Kerbero_ o/ [19:20] banlam lol my dog will haunt you [19:20] hi kbmonkey welcome to ubuntu-za [19:20] she's spawn of satan [19:20] :p [19:20] have you seen her spawn of satan photo? [19:21] Kilos it is just for home use at the moment [19:21] Symmetria, yeah saw it last night [19:21] http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/doggie3.jpg <=== see, spawn of satan :p [19:21] hello all [19:21] hehe [19:21] what's her name btw? [19:21] Morocca, she was named by her previous owner === Kerbero_ is now known as Kerberos [19:21] how long have you had her? [19:21] i just boosted my wifi signal by coiling hi quality audio flex around the antenna. it works a treat [19:21] thereifixedit :D [19:21] lol but she responds if you call her anything, she always knows when she's being called, I could stand outside and yell, COME HERE BREADBOARD and she'd still come :p === Kerberos is now known as Kerberos[home] [19:22] banlam only a week :) [19:22] lol [19:22] oh :P [19:22] previous owner? [19:22] hi Kerberos[home] [19:22] some chick in capetown who advertised to rehome her on gumtree :p [19:22] kilos :) === Kerberos[home] is now known as Kerbero[home] [19:22] why did she not want her? [19:23] lol I asked the chick why she was rehoming her, she said that when she got the pup she hadnt done enough research into the breed and the dog was 2 difficult to handle and had 2 much energy to cope with [19:23] And the gecko is on the outside. [19:23] lol [19:23] banlam heh, she's a cross between a weimaraner and an australian kelpie, meaning that she has 2 base instincts, one is to herd things and the other is to hunt them [19:23] and she has endless endless energy [19:24] open the door and teach the dog the gecko is outside [19:24] kilos haahah no, she already hunts way 2 many lizards, frogs and everything else that moves :P [19:24] hehe [19:25] I scolded her for chewing on something she wasnt meant to, she went outside for an hour, came back inside with a dead bird in her mouth, dropped it at my feet and lay down with it between her paws, as some kinda "I'm sorry" gift [19:25] frogs make then foam at the mouth then you think your dog is going mad [19:25] Get a Jack Russell, and watch them tear the place apart. [19:25] * Kilos is a staffie fan [19:25] heh magespawn the difference between a jack russell and this one, a jack russell typically won't figure out how to open every door of every cupboard and the fridge :P [19:25] and is also 2 small to figure out it can jump on almost any table if there is something to steal :p [19:26] Yup too small and a bit thick [19:26] had this pup 2 days and put a lock on the fridge, was the same deal with my weimaraners [19:26] Very good tracking dogs used for anti-poaching [19:26] weimeraners! [19:27] heh kerbero lol they are my favorite breed [19:27] o [19:28] I had 2 previously before this one [19:28] except those didnt have kelpie in them [19:28] hehe [19:28] lol though this pup is like 90% weimaraner, and the only kelpie bit in her seems to be her energy levels [19:29] rather you than me [19:29] lol, she's awesome :) [19:29] never thought about getting a cat? [19:29] and taking over the world? [19:30] weimaraners are rather neurotic dogs, but their rep is just because people dont know how to handle them, they require someone who knows what they are doing [19:30] cause typically a weimaraner gets incredibly attached to its owners, and they kinda freak out if they dont get enough attention or if their owners disappear for 2 long [19:31] and when a weimaraner is bored or not getting enough attention lol, you have trouble, they will tear shit up until someone gives them attention [19:33] heh I see the gauteng municipality wants to land itself in court [19:34] for violating the ECA :p [19:38] ECA? [19:39] dont give me a link please [19:39] i also wondered [19:39] :P [19:40] Symmetria, ^^ [19:40] electronic communications act Kilos [19:40] ty kbmonkey you well lad. meds working? [19:41] found it haliarious how the SOPA site used a background on their website that was not attributed to the artist [19:41] blerrie hypocrites [19:42] its like adverts. all use sexy chicks and sell completely unrelated products [19:44] hilarious [19:44] that looks closer [19:44] Maaz, spell hilarious [19:44] Kilos: Looks good to me [19:48] clever bot [19:52] How did they violate the ECa? [19:52] heh ECA = the telecommunications law [19:52] magespawn because they banned more fiber deployments in gauteng [19:52] and the ECA specifically says that any license holder has the right to lay fiber on *ANY* public land [19:52] providing that htey clean up after themselves and give reasonable notice [19:53] it is *INCREDIBLY* clear about the rights of license holders and the johannesburg municipality has no legal right to refuse anyone the right to lay fiber [19:53] what are there reasons for refusing them? [19:53] *their [19:53] banlam they came out and said there is a blanket modatoriam on any new fiber in joburg [19:54] So the licensee can just go ahead then [19:54] that no one else other than themselves is allowed to lay anymore [19:54] never realized there are quite a few unix shell accounts available online [19:54] so their reason for this, is so the municipality can continue to lay fibre without any one lese? [19:54] anyone else* [19:54] magespawn technically yes, but they could just dig it up again :P the licensees will see them in court shortly Im sure [19:55] apparently there is an urgent application for an interdict against the modatoriam being heard tomorrow in court [19:55] banlam basically thats what I believe it translates to, they arent stating what their reason is, but thats what it comes down to [19:55] What a joke [19:55] ic [19:56] So somebodies brother can get the tender [19:56] not moratorium [19:56] basically, they gonna get taken to court [19:56] and sued [19:57] and are gonna lose and get saddled with a huge bill by the courts [19:57] cause they are getting sued for lost revenue and costs [19:57] Maaz, spell modatorium [19:57] Kilos: Suggestions: Moratorium or moratorium [19:57] including I believe the salaries of the 4000+ people who cant work as a result of this [19:57] Such a waste of time and public money [19:58] what's wrong with moratorium? [19:58] Bet they cannot go after the officials money directly [19:58] nvrmnd [19:58] that's some rigmarole [19:58] magespawn heh, the gauteng muncipality is going to find itself liable [19:58] heh, the costs involved in putting 4000+ people outta work for a week [19:59] are... huge [19:59] Which means the gauten g public [19:59] heh, on the higher end, you're looking at 15k per person, on the low end, a grand a person, so anywhere between 10 and 100 million worth of costs right there [19:59] do you think this would have not happend Symmetria if telecoms were privately owned? [20:00] okay that's may be a rhetorical question ;) [20:00] kbmonkey well, a lot of telecomms is privately owned [20:00] the problem is that the muncipalities want a piece of that pie [20:01] so I have it wrong that govt has 49% of rights in that pie [20:01] Illegally [20:01] like they always do. for the people.. like hell [20:02] night all. sleep tight [20:02] kbmonkey yes [20:02] that is incorrect [20:02] Through telkom but they r3fuse tus fiber because theymeed to recoup the cost of copper [20:02] a.) the government doesnt own much of neotel at all [20:03] and b.) the government shareholding of telkom is FAR less than 49% [20:03] its closer to like 36 I think [20:05] But the [20:05] Major problemis the wasting of time and money [20:05] okay so they dropped some shares. I shouldn't blurt out old info, could be disasterous [20:06] kbmonkey they aint owned 49% for a LONG time [20:07] direct government share holding is 38% [20:07] though there is also the elephant consortium and thats where stuff gets confusing cause they own a whack of shares as well [20:08] fact is though, telkom is skirting the edges of bankcrupcy [20:08] you should just go bankrupt [20:08] *they [20:08] wow that is a bad typo [20:08] kerbero thats distinctly possible if they are made to pay the fine they are facing [20:08] o [20:08] lol [20:08] they are facing a fine of almost 3.5 billion [20:09] so telkom is maybe going to pay a fine? [20:09] kerbero they have already been found guilty [20:09] the only question is how big is the fine gonna be [20:09] hmm [20:09] internet revolution! [20:09] and the recommendation from the tribunal that found them guilty is around 3.5 billion rand [20:09] Which will come from joe public again [20:10] but i don't understand or did not follow, what is telkom guilty of [20:10] except for that people out of work [20:10] what did they do [20:10] kerbero anti-competitive practices in the DSL market [20:10] basically inflating the price of IPC to keep other ISP's outta the game [20:10] They do not have that kind of money, do they? [20:10] well, that was the primary issue [20:10] ahh [20:11] ok [20:11] magespawn, heh, they USED to have that kinda money, they dont have any more [20:11] And that still did not work anyway. [20:11] how it works is that the fine is based on 10% of annual revenue for the year in which hte offense happened [20:11] the year in question here happened to be before they sold vodacom [20:11] Ouch [20:11] which means their annual turnover included the revenue flows from their 50% holding of vodacom [20:11] which was telkom's cashcow [20:12] What are the options? Get vodacom to pay their share? [20:12] when Telkom sold off that 50% share in vodacom, they also had a TON of cash, and their shareholders wouldnt let them keep it [20:12] it was paid out by and large as a dividend [20:12] magespawn zero options there [20:12] Of course [20:12] vodacom isnt liable [20:13] heh, the funny part is, Telkom had no real option but to sell vodacom, but without vodacom they are kinda screwed cause telkom made up more than 70% of their profit [20:13] but they *HAD* to sell it, that wasnt optional at all [20:14] heh you guys know the reason behind the sale of vodacom btw? the real reason? [20:14] its kinda a funny story :p [20:14] Vodacom board if I remeber correctly, was made up of 2 Telkom members, 2 Vodaphone members and 2 internal members inside Vodacom itself (or something like that, with that kinda distribution) [20:15] the guys inside vodacom decided they didnt like telkom [20:15] so they were always gonna vote with the other guys [20:15] and basically, telkom as a result completely lost all control of what amounted to most of their revenue :P [20:15] (well, thats the story out in the market, and I'd say chances are, its probably pretty accurate) [20:16] Lol [20:17] well done [20:17] Brb [20:18] Back [20:19] Was 50% owned by Vodafone ? [20:29] magespawn something like that yeah [20:31] Ahh well then [20:31] Off to bed later all