[00:17] <rocky> hey i somehow got my pulseaudio+alsa screwed up due to trying to test bluetooth stuff, is there anyway to completely reinstall all alsa/pulseaudio related packages (also whatever necessary bluetooth stuff) ?
[00:35] <itaylor57> how do i get my time indicator back on the top right
[00:41] <itaylor57> how do i get my time indicator back on the top right lost it last night and had to reload ubuntu-desktop
[00:48] <Daekdroom> itaylor57, indicator-datetime
[00:49] <rocky> is pulseaudio working in pangolin right now?
[00:49] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[00:50] <rocky> i can't for the life of me get pulseaudio to pick up my bluetooth sound device ... although "aplay -D bt -f s16_le /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav" works as expected
[00:50] <rocky> err... -D bluetooth
[00:51] <rocky> Daekdroom, any suggestions?
[00:51] <Daekdroom> Can't think of anything.
[00:53] <rocky> i think the problem is that i was using oneric and updated to the ppa audio dev stuff for alsa... and since upgrading to pangolin now the sound indicator (and sound settings) won't show any of my sound devices at all
[00:57] <itaylor57> Daekdroom, thanks gonna reboot to see if it worked
[01:02] <itaylor57> Daekdroom, worked like a charm, for some reason my googlefu is weak lately
[01:37] <thetinyjesus> do you feel all these updates are making significant stability differences?
[02:03] <thetinyjesus_> libimobiledevice 1.0.7 allows ios 5 to connect to linux thus me not needed to use windows nearly ever
[02:03] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, why that particular version
[02:03] <bazhang> !find libimobiledevice
[02:03] <snadge> cos the older one doesnt
[02:04] <bazhang> !info libimobiledevice-utils
[02:04] <thetinyjesus_> the one that is in the ubuntu repositories is an older version that will not connect and idk how to compile
[02:04] <snadge> jesus knew how to  compile
[02:04] <bazhang> 1.1.1 is older than 1.0.7 ?
[02:04] <thetinyjesus_> yeah those are test versions doesnt match the real versions
[02:05] <bazhang> pardon?
[02:05] <bazhang> !info libimobiledevice2
[02:05] <snadge> fake version numbers
[02:05] <thetinyjesus_> they release differently like 1.0.6 came out when 1.1.1 came out
[02:05] <bazhang> whats a fake version number
[02:06] <thetinyjesus_> the new test is 1.1.2 and 1.0.7 is the one that works with ios 5
[02:06] <bazhang> and where is this "real" newer version available
[02:06] <snadge> right, i knew what he meant, probably from upstream
[02:06] <thetinyjesus_> on the libimobiledevice website
[02:06] <bazhang> so get it and compile it
[02:07] <bazhang> !build-essential | thetinyjesus_
[02:07] <snadge> hes basically saying the ubuntu version doesnt support ios 5
[02:07] <pangolin> of course it does
[02:07] <snadge> apparently not
[02:07] <bazhang> snadge, thats what he's *saying*
[02:07] <thetinyjesus_> not for music transfer trust me i researched for days and tried every "fix"
[02:07] <pangolin> making things up to suit your reasoning doesn't support anything
[02:08] <snadge> there you go, that should probably be fixed prior to release
[02:08] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, what did you try exactly
[02:08] <snadge> its non critical package
[02:08] <pangolin> anyway you can download http://www.libimobiledevice.org/downloads/libimobiledevice-1.1.2.tar.bz2 and compile it. see what ubottu told you about compiling
[02:09] <thetinyjesus_> you can view EVERYTHING on the ipod/iphone but the library system in ios5 is different
[02:09] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, what are the fixes that you tried
[02:09] <thetinyjesus_> so when you go to transfer a song it gets corrupted because it didnt save to the iphone in the correct "pattern" or what not
[02:09] <thetinyjesus_> all the different ways people mentioned in forums
[02:10] <thetinyjesus_> if you look at the website, they just released the new version on the 22nd that actually supposed ios 5
[02:10] <snadge> the fix is obviously upstream, if i was a betting man, id put money on the newer version fixing it ;)
[02:10] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, it'd be helpful if you mentioned those, so as to avoid having to repeat them while troubleshooting the issue
[02:10] <thetinyjesus_> http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
[02:10] <bazhang> the forums fixes
[02:11] <snadge> surely ubuntu has a process for merging something nonessential like that, this close to release
[02:11] <snadge> or is that a debian issue, i dont know
[02:11] <bazhang> its called a ppa
[02:11] <thetinyjesus_> something nonessential which over 100 million people own?
[02:11] <thetinyjesus_> thats only counting within the past year sales..
[02:11] <snadge> i meant nonessential as in, wont break anything else
[02:11] <cryptotheslow> 100 million Debian / Ubuntu users have iThings?
[02:11] <bazhang> 100 million people use ubuntu?
[02:12] <snadge> its still significant
[02:12] <bazhang> w00h00!
[02:12] <bandit5432> lol bazhang
[02:12] <snadge> it would be better if ithings worked with precise
[02:12] <snadge> instead of having to resort to a ppa
[02:12] <cryptotheslow> indeed
[02:12] <ajmitch> 1.1.1-4 has a patch backported to support mounting ios 5 devices, did that version not work for you?
[02:12] <snadge> which blows
[02:12] <snadge> mounting works fine
[02:12] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, ^
[02:12] <bandit5432> you can mount them you just cant copy music to them
[02:12] <snadge> its the music library that doesnt work
[02:12] <snadge> read scrollback
[02:13] <thetinyjesus_> theres about 150 million iphones and 320 million ipods.. thats a huge number of people who need ios 5 to work
[02:13] <bazhang> no need I was here
[02:13] <thetinyjesus_> or they have to result and use mac or windows
[02:13] <snadge> i dont have any idevices, i hate apple with a violent passion
[02:13] <bandit5432> you can copy music and photos from them but not to them
[02:13] <thetinyjesus_> i didnt ask if you hated them, idc
[02:13] <snadge> but even i respect that package should be updated
[02:13] <cryptotheslow> oh dear
[02:14] <thetinyjesus_> i dont understand why linux people get so uptight about people with idevices, they work so does linux thats why i use it my androids all mess up after 5 months
[02:15] <thetinyjesus_> its too fragmented until google can do something about it
[02:15] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, so you have tried the backported fix then?
[02:15] <Jay_Man> I kind of agree with thetinyjesus - I switched Blackberry, to Android, and then back to Blackberry for now.  Android is cool, but cool doesn't always work very well.
[02:15] <itaylor57> i have doubts that they hype of the web site matches reality
[02:16] <thetinyjesus_> bazhang, the fix i need is to just to not be lazy and compile the new version that actually works
[02:16] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, so yes? no?
[02:16] <thetinyjesus_> bazhang, i dont remember do you have a link
[02:17] <bazhang> thetinyjesus_, let me check the forums
[02:17] <Jay_Man> I have a really quick question, when someone gets a chance:  I'm using the beta, which is working absolutely flawlessly for me... when release date comes, is it recommended simply to "upgrade" to the release, or would you suggest a full re-install?
[02:19] <bandit5432> Jay_Man, it will automagicly be the release
[02:19] <bandit5432> so if every thing goes well just keep using it as is
[02:19] <Jay_Man> automagically without a do-dist-upgrade (or whatever the command is lol)
[02:20] <thetinyjesus_> 12.04 is working so much better now than even a week ago
[02:20] <bandit5432> if you are using the beta you dont have a dist to upgrade to
[02:20] <cryptotheslow> I still get confused about having use dist-upgrade even though I'm not :D
[02:21] <bandit5432> if you are in the beta channel you are using 12.04 so there is no new dist to upgrade to
[02:21] <Jay_Man> I had installed 11.10, and couldn't get java to work at all... tbh I haven't been using Ubuntu for over a year, but my previous distro let me down, so I decided to give it a shot... I nearly gave up again, but once I threw the beta on, I was right back on board!
[02:21] <cryptotheslow> bandit5342 new kernels get held back unless I use dist-upgrade it seems for me at least
[02:22] <bandit5432> cryptotheslow, weird
[02:22] <cryptotheslow> probably some option I set somewhere
[02:22] <Jay_Man> bandit5432: Correct, I'm on 12.04 - but I wasn't sure if there was a "release" in the update manager that pops up telling you that you can upgrade from "Beta" to "release".  I do see your point though.
[02:23] <trism> apt-get dist-upgrade is not the same as upgrading between releases
[02:23] <bandit5432> Jay_Man, there has not been as long as i can remember others can correct me if i am wrong i always tried to do the dist upgrade in the past it never worked
[02:23] <bandit5432> when i was already on testing that is
[02:24] <cryptotheslow> trism, thanks. Thinking about it the same happens on my 10.04 server as well.
[02:24] <Jay_Man> trism: Yes, I read this the other day.  dist-upgrade has something to do with new dependancies.  Its sort of a fail-safe to ensure that you realise that something more substantial is changing.  A regular apt-get upgrade only upgrades existing packages.
[02:25] <cryptotheslow> makes sense
[02:25] <trism> Jay_Man: indeed
[02:25] <itaylor57> thetinyjesus_, i am trying to compile as we speak
[02:25] <cryptotheslow> so were one needed (which it's not) what would be the command to upg to a new release?  (last off topic I promise!)
[02:25] <Jay_Man> In order to upgrade to a new "version", you use the command: do-release-upgrade
[02:26] <cryptotheslow> aha
[02:26] <cryptotheslow> ty
[02:26] <Jay_Man> ;)
[02:26] <Jay_Man> np
[02:26] <cryptotheslow> never upgraded before, always clean install - good to know though.
[02:27] <Jay_Man> Which is the command I thought I'd need to use to upgrade from 12.04 beta, to 12.04 release... but I'm hearing that I shouldn't have to.  I usually do a full re-install, but its just working so well... I hate to do it for nothing.
[02:27] <Daekdroom> Jay_Man, no, you don't have to run do-release-upgrade to go from beta to final.
[02:27] <cryptotheslow> Alreay comes up with a little LTS logo on the desktop here on initial startup
[02:27] <Daekdroom> A sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will suffice.
[02:27] <Daekdroom> cryptotheslow, adding that in the last minute can be troublesome.
[02:28] <cryptotheslow> Daekdroom, adding what?
[02:28] <Jay_Man> Daekdroom: Thanks, very good to know.
[02:28] <Daekdroom> cryptotheslow, 'LTS'
[02:28] <Daekdroom> Or 12.04, for that matter.
[02:28] <ajmitch> Daekdroom: quite troublesome, given how many screenshots need to be taken for documentation, etc :)
[02:28] <Daekdroom> Indeed. The screenshots.
[02:28] <Daekdroom> and ISO testing.
[02:29] <cryptotheslow> hmm... I can imagine. I didn't mean it was a bad thing it was showing up - just mentioning it.
[02:30] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[02:33] <cryptotheslow> Is there a way to increase the grabbable window border size? It's a right pain with my touchpad for some reason.
[02:34] <itaylor57> KM0201, o/
[02:35] <bandit5432> building kernels takes forever
[02:43] <pangolin> try building a time machine
[02:44] <MrChrisDruif> pangolin; I've already got one...
[02:44] <MrChrisDruif> It's not perfect thou...only lets me fastforward in time, not go back ;-)
[02:45] <bandit5432> pangolin, i dont want to think about it
[02:45] <ljt> pangolin: are you precise?
[02:46] <KM0201> itaylor57: o/
[02:46] <pangolin> ljt, precisely
[02:51]  * precise pangolin 
[02:51] <pangolin> took you a while to get that out
[02:51] <precise> I wanted to register it first. :P
[02:52] <precise> So I needed to get it dropped...etc.
[02:53] <precise> pangolin: We should both be voiced. :P
[02:53] <precise> :O
[02:54] <pangolin> Now that you have the BIG title, what do you do with it?
[02:54] <precise> Too much pressure.
[02:54] <pangolin> hehe
[02:54] <bandit5432> waits for the channel to be voice only
[02:54] <precise> Aw.
[02:55] <bandit5432> does that even happen any more
[02:55] <Daekdroom> Did that ever happen?
[02:55] <bandit5432> maybe not here ;)
[02:55] <precise> Only in cases of extreme abuse...
[03:16] <trippeh> Hmm. Unity suddenly got slow after a dist-upgrade.
[03:16] <trippeh> On nvidia-current
[03:44] <snadge> hmm.. anyone else noticed that gedit doesn't do crash recovery?
[03:44] <snadge> thats pretty annoying when say.. your x server randomly crashes
[03:45] <mkultra_> mines been kinda crashy, not too bad, not any worse than normal
[03:46] <mkultra_> crash at the exit of electric sheep
[03:46] <mkultra_> when using xss
[03:46] <snadge> oh im playing with xorg-edgers like a naughty boy
[03:46] <snadge> so i deserved it
[03:46] <mkultra_> the cairo docks a bit screwed up
[03:47] <mkultra_> but yeah ive been hammering on 12.04 pretty hard lately
[03:50] <mkultra_> thunar is missing icons
[03:51] <micahg> mkultra_: which icons?
[03:52] <mkultra_> all of them, in thunar
[03:52] <micahg> hmm, that's weird
[03:54] <mkultra_> yeah im having problems with cairo dock icons too, clearly im testing tons and tons and tons of stuff
[03:54] <mkultra_> stress testing 12.04 lol
[03:55] <mkultra_> oh its gtk3...  i lost my system theme to gtk3 also =(
[03:57] <micahg> xubuntu provides a gtk3 theme
[03:59] <mkultra_> its not black enough for me, even xfce dusk isnt black enough...  i like dark background, light text, dark grey highlighting
[08:06] <ant_> Any idea what package to file a bug against if my cpu wont scale to full speed?
[08:22] <trippeh> Lotus Notes keeps killing my compiz-decorator/gtk-window-decorator, leaving all my windows borderless.
[08:22] <trippeh> That is, makes it crash, not killing directly ;)
[08:23] <trippeh> Thinking I'll just put the window-decorator in a loop, hehe
[08:23] <trippeh> for now..
[08:24] <ant_> I thought we could choose if we want the unity launcher on each screen or not? Where can that be set?
[08:29] <john38> Will Precise support widescreen boot splash screen
[08:29] <john38> without borders
[08:32] <john38> anybody here
[08:32] <LarsN> maybe
[08:33] <LarsN> i have no idea regarding your question though
[08:47] <xus> When did beta 1 come out?
[08:48] <xus> 1st Mar looking at date stamp on some of the ISO's on download servers?
[08:48] <brendand> xus, start of the month
[08:48] <xus> thanks :)
[08:50] <trippeh> while true; do gtk-window-decorator; sleep 1; done :-)
[08:50] <trippeh> problem "solved"!
[09:27] <alkisg> I open software-center, then go to Edit → Software sources, and add a PPA there. But the PPA contents don't show up in software-center.
[09:27] <alkisg> How can I instruct software-center to reload its sources? (like apt-get update?)
[09:33] <Ian_Corne> do ppa's work that way?
[09:35] <alkisg> Ian_Corne: yes, they do, it even fetches the ppa keys, but that's not the problem, it's that the "Sources have changed, reload?" dialog doesn't appear anymore
[09:35] <alkisg> http://askubuntu.com/questions/4983/what-are-ppas-and-how-do-i-use-them and specifically this picture: http://i.stack.imgur.com/lEwnS.png
[09:37] <alkisg> I guess it's a bug in software-properties-gtk...
[09:38] <alkisg> Ah no, software-center uses `software-properties-gtk -n`, instructing it not to update
[09:47] <Ian_Corne> aha ok
[09:56] <alkisg> Hmm it seems that software-center has an embedded ...timer for how frequently it wants to update its sources, which misbehaves a lot
[09:56] <alkisg> I ran apt-get update, still not showing up
[09:56] <alkisg> I rebooted, the same
[09:56] <alkisg> I waited for 10 minutes or so, then I relaunched it, they showed up fine
[09:57] <alkisg> But having to wait for 10 minutes sound more like a bug and less like a design decision... :)
[10:11] <alkisg> On another try, running `add-apt-repository ...; apt-get update; software-center` still doesn't avoid the problem, I still have to wait 10 minutes or so for the new sources to show up
[10:12] <c0rnel> maybe it's taking the info from the wrong place (like a cache)
[10:13] <alkisg> Yes I think it has its own cache, but there should be a way to force it to update, at least, since its "sources changed" autodetection doesn't work...
[10:16] <alkisg> There seem to be many "questions" about it in launchpad, but not a confirmed bug about it: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/184100
[10:24] <tokarbol> I need some help debugging logon problem in Precise when using pam_mkhomedir.so
[10:25] <tokarbol> I reported it as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/956848
[10:26] <tokarbol> but I don't think it's directly related to pam
[10:26] <tokarbol> I have used oneiric and updated just the pam stack to precise and it still works
[10:26] <tokarbol> so I think there is something in unity/lightdm or actually Xorg that causes it
[10:27] <tokarbol> The problem is that the homedir is not created when I login to lightdm/unity
[10:29] <tokarbol> any ideas how to locate in which package the problem is?
[10:33] <jo-erlend> pressing super to open dash only works once in a while. Is that common?
[10:33] <jo-erlend> it's never been a problem until a week ago or something. Now it's nearly impossible to use the keyboard properly. Highly annoying.
[10:34] <alkisg> OK found it, it's reported in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/782953 although closing + reopening isn't enough, update-apt-xapian-index is needed to make software-center aware of the changes in sources
[11:17] <MCR1> Anyone else having troubles with GIMP in latest 12.04 ? libbabl-0.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:26] <ikonia> MCR1: you'll find there will be a libbabl-0.0.so.1 file
[11:26] <ikonia> MCR1: the PPA for git was having this problem with 11.10 it depends on a later version of the library, you have to manually change it
[11:27] <MCR1> ikonia: How can I do that ?
[11:28] <ikonia> MCR1: first look if the library it's looking for exists
[11:28] <MCR1> ikonia: I found out with apt-cache policy that I have another PPA installed providing libgegl and libbabl, so I am in the process of removing that PPA
[11:29] <ikonia> using PPA's with a development OS....crazy
[11:30] <MCR1> ikonia: it really was the PPA - it is working again :)
[11:30] <ikonia> not a surprise
[11:43] <MCR1> ikonia: thx 4 your help
[11:43] <ikonia> you fixed it yourself, so thank yourself
[13:03] <islip> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found on 3.2.0.20 kernel. :(
[13:05] <islip> ndiswrapper bug?
[13:05] <islip> kernel 3.2?
[13:56] <tbf_> oops: https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/Ffct8KMS2wL :-)
[13:56] <lgp171188> Hi how do I rename the bluetooth device name of my laptop in my amd64 precise installation? There doesn't seem to be any straight, obvious way to it or am I missing something?
[14:02] <brendand> lgp171188, sudo hciconfig hci0 name <newname>
[14:02] <brendand> nothing in the ui though
[14:02] <brendand> shame
[14:02] <lgp171188> brendand: Isn't there a way to do it from the GUI?
[14:02] <brendand> lgp171188, no
[14:03] <lgp171188> brendand: Iirc, it was there in oneiric. Any ideas as to why it was removed?
[14:04] <brendand> lgp171188, not really
[14:05] <lgp171188> brendand: Oh it may have been in per Gnome shell ubuntu.
[14:06] <lgp171188> *pre
[14:11] <brendand> lgp171188, if you mean before we took g-c-c from Gnome3 then yes probably
[14:12] <brendand> lgp171188, this is the 'simplification' of the settings you see ...
[14:12] <ldiamond> Is there any good update path from 12.04 beta to 12.04 after release?
[14:13] <JVolt> Hello guys, do anyone know when that new feature to fix the "mouse pausing between dual screens" will be released?
[14:19] <JVolt> how can i know when a new feature will be released?
[14:19] <ldiamond> JVolt, you'll get the update in your update center.
[14:20] <JVolt> I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 daily, but I use dual screens. It's not good to move between screens
[14:21] <ldiamond> May be a bug with ubuntu or the graphic driver. You may want to file a bug report and there may be a bugfix later
[14:21] <JVolt> Idiamond but do you know when that specific feature will be released? I'm updating daily my Ubuntu looking just for that... The system is already stable on my hardware
[14:21] <ldiamond> the daily builds will not be perfect as they are daily builds of a beta
[14:22] <ldiamond> It's called a bug fix, not a feature
[14:22] <ldiamond> I don't know
[14:22] <ldiamond> check if the bug was reported
[14:22] <ldiamond> if not you should report it
[14:25] <JVolt> I'm talking about the knew pointer-edge hold behaviour when passing between screens. I've heard that will be toggleable, but don't know when.. It's what I'm looking for, when it will be released...
[14:28] <ldiamond> running Compiz?
[14:28] <JVolt> I'm running default installation
[14:32] <ldiamond> ps -A | grep compiz
[14:32] <ldiamond> ps -A | grep metacity
[14:32] <JVolt> 2131 ?        00:04:22 compiz
[14:32] <ldiamond> you're running compiz then
[14:33] <JVolt> metacity is not running
[14:33] <ldiamond> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[14:33] <ldiamond> then it's gonna be in the app menu
[14:33] <JVolt> is there some way to disable that using csm?
[14:33] <JVolt> ok, got that
[14:33] <ldiamond> look around you might find something
[14:33] <JVolt> ahm
[14:34] <JVolt> ok
[14:34] <JVolt> thanks =]
[15:48] <bstity> hi, I have trouble with grub after rebooting. Apparently the partitions cannot be found
[15:48] <bstity> the commandline is of no help
[15:48] <bstity> can't load the partitions
[15:49] <bstity> it appeared after a series of ubdates
[15:51] <bstity> don't have internet on the 12.04 machine right now, is it known what packages are broken? I could up/downgrade manually
[16:34] <Lichte> How do I get the bookmark button to show up on Firefox ??  When I click on the "customize" button, it appears, but it disappears again when I close that box
[16:42] <MrChrisDruif> User47; so it seems
[16:49] <MrChrisDruif> What were your problems exactly User47 ?
[16:52] <User47> MrChrisDruif: when i want to update , a message tell me that i have to do a partial upgrade to install updates
[16:52] <User47> and when i try to upgrade
[16:52] <User47> i receive this "not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running."
[16:54] <User47> also probleme whith virtualbox , nvidia driver , screen brithnesse (i fixed this last one) ^^
[17:00] <MrChrisDruif> I always have problems with proprietary driver
[17:00]  * MrChrisDruif was on the phone
[17:00] <MrChrisDruif> That is an awkward error, unable to detect which version you are running
[17:03] <MrChrisDruif> User47; What do you get with "lsb_release -a" in terminal?
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> On the description line?
[17:04] <smw> what is the keyboard shortcut to openthe dash
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> smw; <super>
[17:04] <MrChrisDruif> I think
[17:05] <alesan> hi, which java version is to be installed? I see the openjdk6 is "supported" with the ubuntu logo, while openjdk is not
[17:06] <User47> MrChrisDruif: i get "No LSB modules are available" with the version ofcourse
[17:06] <User47> in description line : Ubuntu precise (development branch)
[17:06] <MrChrisDruif> I also get that message, at least on my 11.10 install
[17:08] <MrChrisDruif> So uname at least knows what version you have
[17:08] <MrChrisDruif> smw; did it work?
[17:09] <User47> MrChrisDruif: the upgrade ?
[17:09] <smw> MrChrisDruif, yeah, super does the doc, not the dash
[17:09] <smw> MrChrisDruif, (dash home I mean)
[17:10] <smw> MrChrisDruif, turns out alt+f2 does that, but I am trying to figure out how to change it to super space
[17:10] <MrChrisDruif> uname is a system tool, but I don't know what update-manager uses
[17:11] <MrChrisDruif> smw; you mean the run-command tool? Not the dash
[17:11] <smw> MrChrisDruif, it is called "dash home"
[17:11] <mvo> lsb_release -a
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> mvo; yeah, lsb_release I meant, not uname
[17:13] <MrChrisDruif> smw; go to System Settings > Keyboard, in there you can change keyboard shortcuts
[17:13] <mvo> yeah, that is what u-m is using
[17:13] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, awkward that User47 gets that error, don't you agree mvo ?
[17:14] <smw> MrChrisDruif, I found it in ccsm
[17:14] <MrChrisDruif> In ccsm? O_O
[17:14] <smw> MrChrisDruif, yep
[17:15] <smw> MrChrisDruif, that felt very wrong to me too
[17:17] <smw> MrChrisDruif, and now it is time to check out gnome-classic :-)
[17:17] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, I'll just stick to gnome-shell
[17:20] <User47> smw: use this in a terminal to gnome classic "sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback"
[17:21] <User47> but it's not really the same as in ubuntu 10.04
[17:21] <dysoco|laptop> I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 Beta, I want to Install Cinnamon: So I added the following PPA: "ppa:gwendal-lebihan-dev/cinnamon-stable", the problem is, that I do "apt-get update", and then when I do "apt-get install cinnamon", it can't find the package... any ideas ?
[17:21] <trism> dysoco|laptop: that ppa only has builds for oneiric
[17:21] <smw> User47, I installed gnome-pannel
[17:22] <smw> panel*
[17:22] <dysoco|laptop> trism, then there's another PPA ? I read that it also works with 12.04
[17:22] <trism> dysoco|laptop: I have never used it, so I do not know
[17:22] <smw> User47, what is now the same?
[17:23] <smw> User47, besides two purely theme things I see when I start it
[17:23] <Daekdroom> dysoco|laptop, that PPA doesn't have any packages for precise. That's why it can't find the packages.
[17:23] <tarvid> just installed server amd64 - looks good
[17:23] <dysoco|laptop> Daekdroom, OK then, thanks
[17:23] <smw> User47, what is wrong with it?
[17:24] <User47> smw: fake somehow
[17:24] <dysoco|laptop> Daekdroom, check this: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/02/alternative-cinnamon-ppa-for-ubuntu.html
[17:24] <smw> wth, I can't right click on the panels
[17:24] <dysoco|laptop> it says it has packages for 12.04 :/
[17:25] <Daekdroom> dysoco|laptop, it used to. But check the page: https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/cinnamon-stable
[17:25] <Daekdroom> You could try changing the source list for 'oneiric' instead of precise.
[17:25] <smw> User47, fake how?
[17:25] <Daekdroom> The packages may or may not be compatible with precise. You could take the chance.
[17:26] <mvo> MrChrisDruif: well, its probably run without the "-a", no? by default it prints just the installed lsb-modules, not the version information
[17:26] <smw> User47, I want specific reasons you dislike it. All I saw was cosmetic changes... but then I could not right click on the panel
[17:27] <smw> grr... they destroyed the time applet
[17:27] <User47> smw: it's not really the same gnome as in 10.04 simely , install to try :) , u'll have the choice always to run Unitu or gnome
[17:27] <smw> User47, I know it isn't. The question is what do you dislike about it.
[17:27] <smw> User47, what changed?
[17:28] <smw> I have named two so far
[17:28] <User47> dysoco|laptop: u have this message ? 'configure: error: SDL/SDL.h header file not found'
[17:30] <smw> User47, ok, now I am unhappy with it :-P
[17:30] <dysoco|laptop> User47, nope
[17:30] <User47> smw: lol , u have to try anyway
[17:30] <User47> may be u will like it
[17:30] <dysoco|laptop> User47, just "Package 'cinnamon' has no installation candidate"
[17:31] <dysoco|laptop> meh, I was going to switch my laptop to LMDE anyways
[17:31] <smw> User47, the question is: is it worth losing these small features for up to date apps
[17:32] <User47> i don't think so smw
[17:32] <User47> i'll be back
[17:32] <smw> are you also still on 11.04?
[17:33] <User47> smw: no i'm in 12.04
[17:33] <smw> User47, on your main machine?
[17:33] <User47> smw: yes
[17:33] <smw> I am testing it on a netbook that still had the netbook release before unity
[17:33] <smw> I decided that needed to be updated :-P
[17:34] <smw> User47, so you think that it is not worth giving up these small features for the latest software?
[17:34] <smw> yet you use 12.04...
[17:34] <User47> smw: i'm using it on my  laptop as secondary system , just for test
[17:35] <User47> on my own machine i'm using 11.10
[17:36] <smw> User47, ok
[17:40] <Bluefoxicy> I am laughing so hard
[17:40] <Bluefoxicy> at Zeitgeist
[17:40] <smw> Is it possible to turn on automatic login with lock?
[17:40] <Bluefoxicy> Are engineers always this disconnected from reality?
[17:40] <Bluefoxicy> "Hey I know, let's give users who can barely get useful results out of Google some  sort of database that they can define technical queries into to return all kinds of information about their documents and help them stay organized!"
[17:40] <Bluefoxicy> Let's teach them SQL too.
[17:42] <Bluefoxicy> Well, we all know how it'll go.  It's not like it hasn't happened before.
[17:42] <Bluefoxicy> It'll get "Simplified" until it's still too ineffective for non-thinking mortals who have better things to do (like grow food so you don't starve), but crippled enough to be completely useless to savvy power-users
[17:50] <dysoco|laptop> Zeitgeist ?
[17:51] <Bluefoxicy> dysoco:  a new addition to Gnome/ubuntu that keeps a database of everything you do, and lets you set up queries to search it as feeds
[17:51] <dysoco|laptop> Bluefoxicy, Oh I see
[17:51] <dysoco|laptop> I remember a question about it in AskUbuntu
[17:52] <Bluefoxicy> I remember that Google Desktop is the farthest you're going to get for end users
[17:52] <Bluefoxicy> You have to remember you have three kinds of computer users
[17:52] <User47> can i get some help ranning virtualbox ?
[17:52] <Bluefoxicy> A)  People who drool all over themselves and are too stupid to live
[17:52] <Bluefoxicy> B)  People who can't use a computer at all, but can handle quantum physics or some other ridiculously complex thing you can't approach
[17:52] <Bluefoxicy> C)  Computer experts
[17:53] <Bluefoxicy> Most of your users are in category (A) and (B)
[17:53] <Bluefoxicy> (B) becomes an interesting group when you realize most people in (C) can't cook well enough to feed themselves :|
[17:55] <Bluefoxicy> (in other words, basic computer use isn't a basic skill; EATING is a basic skill)
[17:55] <cryptotheslow> Bluefoxicy, I think you may have wandered away from your original Zeitgeist observation a tad. :D
[17:55] <Bluefoxicy> cryptotheslow:  not really
[17:56] <Bluefoxicy> I'm highly suspect of anything that promises to do a lot of flexible stuff in a technical capacity for basic end users
[17:56] <Bluefoxicy> I mean we can't even get everyone using PGP encryption on their e-mail
[18:01] <cryptotheslow> Well it's ~only~ been 2 decades...  give people a chance :D
[18:02] <cryptotheslow> User47, what problem(s) do you have with virtualbox?
[18:07] <MrChrisDruif> mvo; I think lsb_release -rs is the command used, but I haven't checked the code to verify
[18:11] <User47> is there anybody alive here ?
[18:11] <cryptotheslow> Read up ^^
[18:14] <MrChrisDruif> User47; like who?
[18:15] <User47> MrChrisDruif: lol
[18:15] <smw> User47, I am trying gnome shell and it is coming back to me why I don't like it :-P
[18:15] <User47> i want some help running virtualbox
[18:16] <smw> User47, you use gnome-shell, right? Do you think you could answer a few questions?
[18:16] <User47> smw: i told u ^^ , u can like it
[18:16] <smw> User47, I can like what?
[18:17] <User47> smw: your gnome ^^
[18:17] <smw> lol
[18:17] <smw> I am retrying all the options again
[18:17] <MrChrisDruif> smw; what don't you like about gnome-shell?
[18:17] <smw> so far gnome classic is winning.
[18:18] <smw> MrChrisDruif, right now there are two things that overpower any other reason. 1. the notification tray is not always there. I never know when I got a message
[18:18] <smw> MrChrisDruif, 2. when I try to launch chrome, it takes me to a current chrome window
[18:19] <MrChrisDruif> Launch Chrome via that Applications Overview?
[18:20] <smw> MrChrisDruif, yeah, I type the super key and then start typing chrome
[18:20] <MrChrisDruif> And you want to launch a secondary window?
[18:20] <smw> MrChrisDruif, problem number 3. no task bar. I need the taskbar when I have 300 terminal windows open
[18:20] <User47> smw: right clic and choose open in a new window
[18:20] <User47> lol
[18:20] <smw> they all look the same and are really small!
[18:21] <smw> User47, wtf?
[18:21] <smw> User47, there are two problems with that
[18:21] <smw> User47, 1. I can't right click easily because I have a horrible mouse on my notebook
[18:21] <smw> netbook*
[18:21] <MrChrisDruif> smw; for opening a second window I've only found a mouse way indeed
[18:22] <smw> MrChrisDruif, ah, I figured it out, when you press enter you also need to press ctrl
[18:22] <smw> damn that is lame :-P
[18:22] <smw> I want to invert that
[18:22] <smw> whatever, I guess I can get used to using the ctrl button...
[18:23] <smw> that does not fix my notification problem
[18:23] <smw> nor does it fix the fact that getting the activities screen is too damn slow. I am used to gnome-do :-P
[18:23] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe someone has made an extension to solve that issue?
[18:24] <MrChrisDruif> extensions.gnome.org with firefox
[18:24] <smw> perhaps
[18:24] <smw> MrChrisDruif, although, I must say that unity may win this battle just for my netbook
[18:25] <smw> It has a better full screen mode
[18:25] <smw> but unity I would say lost the battle for my actual computers
[18:25] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[18:25] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[18:26] <MrChrisDruif> Unity lost it, no matter what if you ask me. Personal opinion.
[18:26] <smw> MrChrisDruif, do you have a 10in netbook?
[18:26] <smw> MrChrisDruif, you would think differently
[18:26] <almoxarife> am I the only one seeing 'perl' upgrade breaking kubuntu?
[18:27]  * MrChrisDruif hasn't, but except for a few pixel gained with unity and it's global menu etc I don't gs is that bad on 10"
[18:28] <smw> MrChrisDruif, the few pixels are worth it
[18:28] <smw> MrChrisDruif, ok, so I am now down to only two problems with shell.
[18:29] <almoxarife> unity is great on a 47 inch plasma
[18:29] <smw> almoxarife, unity isn't "great" anywhere :-P
[18:29] <User47> yessss
[18:30] <MrChrisDruif> Especially on normal/big screens
[18:30] <smw> User47, I am down to tow problems with shell now. 1. notifications 2. taskbar
[18:30] <smw> s/tow/two/
[18:30] <almoxarife> well, thought I would try, xbmc is great on the 47inch plasma, and kde-plasma-desktop is great on this laptop
[18:30] <smw> almoxarife, no objection with either of those opinions ;-)
[18:31] <MrChrisDruif> smw; with <Alt>+<Tab> you can select the program, with down arrow you get to choose which window
[18:31] <almoxarife> smw, time to switch to plasma-dektop, it does allow you to choose like you were at burger king
[18:31] <smw> MrChrisDruif, I need the task bar to find the correct terminal window
[18:31] <smw> almoxarife, I know that
[18:31] <MrChrisDruif> Also <Alt>+<`> you can switch between window of the same program
[18:31] <smw> almoxarife, I tried that one the last time I did this nonsense
[18:32] <smw> almoxarife, I ended up with xfce because it was good enough and light weight
[18:32] <User47> smw: or install compiz to manage your keyboard chortcuts with windows
[18:32]  * almoxarife wonders why people bother with 'nonsense'
[18:32] <smw> almoxarife, because I need to choose one of these
[18:32] <smw> almoxarife, kde is off the list for other reasons.
[18:32] <smw> almoxarife, and it certainly is not lack of understanding ;-)
[18:33] <User47> smw: kde is really bad for me
[18:33] <smw> almoxarife, if I can't find something I like, I will return to xfce
[18:33] <smw> and not upgrade my 11.04 desktop
[18:33] <almoxarife> there is always DSL
[18:34] <smw> DSL? lol
[18:34] <smw> damn small linux?
[18:34] <smw> that does not help me :-P
[18:34] <User47> mdr
[18:35] <User47> smw: did u try backtrack ?
[18:35] <almoxarife> am I the only one seeing 'perl' upgrade breaking kubuntu?
[18:35] <smw> User47, oh hell yes, I am not alone! http://k3rnel.net/2011/05/01/why-im-sick-and-tired-of-gnome-shell/
[18:35] <smw> User47, backtrack... the hacking distro? I used to play with it.
[18:36] <smw> almoxarife, it is my opinion that starting at ubuntu 11.04, all of linux desktop starting going down hill :-P
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> almoxarife; so it seems, but maybe you could try #kubuntu (or #kubuntu+1 if it exists)
[18:36] <smw> almoxarife, and I say this as someone who has used desktop linux for 10 years
[18:36] <User47> smw: it's based on ubuntu 10.04 , & it's full of errors
[18:36] <MrChrisDruif> smw; ALL Linux desktops?
[18:37] <almoxarife> MrChrisDruif: this is kubuntu+1!
[18:37] <smw> MrChrisDruif, well, considering that gnome and kde both did stupid stuff, yes
[18:38] <MrChrisDruif> almoxarife; this channel is *U*buntu+1, not *K*ubuntu+1
[18:38] <almoxarife> MrChrisDruif: you need to read some
[18:38] <MrChrisDruif> smw; Ever tried lxde?
[18:38] <smw> MrChrisDruif, I used it for about 6 months
[18:38] <smw> MrChrisDruif, I have tried everything
[18:39] <smw> I also retried lxde when I was choosing at 11.10
[18:39] <smw> my laptop is up to date, but my 11.04 desktop I refuse to update. Not until I find something good enough.
[18:40] <MrChrisDruif> What I tried to say is that there might be more kubuntu users in those channels almoxarife
[18:41] <smw> MrChrisDruif, ah ha! that is what I want to do. Stop the gnome shell activities dash from fading in.
[18:42] <smw> I knew something bugged me about the gnome-shell speed. The speed was intentional.
[18:43] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[18:43] <almoxarife> MrChrisDruif: what I am saying is that kubuntu will send me here, why? same reason ubuntu will send me here, the script kiddies that help on both those channels mostly are not using ubuntu or kubuntu but are not literate enough for ##linux, but they do love to share the 'rules' with me. btw, try joining #kubuntu+1 , I will be here to welcome yoy
[18:44] <smw> almoxarife, lol. That strikes me as funny because it is so true
[18:44] <almoxarife> smw, unfortunate, but that's the reality
[18:46] <smw> MrChrisDruif, but yeah, http://k3rnel.net/2011/05/01/why-im-sick-and-tired-of-gnome-shell/ . I feel like I wrote it.
[18:46] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^ alright fair enough, I wasn't my intention to frustrate you or anything. I only tried to help by giving suggestions ^_^
[18:46] <almoxarife> MrChrisDruif: and since were are having such a lovely discussion, I run a hybrid, I use the plasma desktop to run a whole heap of gnome/gtk apps, why? cause its there! and I want my cake
[18:47] <smw> smw_
[18:47] <almoxarife> MrChrisDruif: no offense taken btw
[18:47] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, great. I was worried there for sec
[18:48] <almoxarife> :)
[18:50] <smw> MrChrisDruif, ok, here is my final verdict. 1. unity for netbook. 2. gnome-classic is good enough to replace xfce. Still not perfect. 3. gnome-shell, after I figure out how to change certain things and retrain myself COULD replace gnome-classic.
[18:50] <smw> but the idea that I need to go through this much work is insane. I miss incremental updates to gnome 2 :-\
[18:50] <User47> MrChrisDruif: i was stupid , ^^ i should use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:50] <User47> it works now
[18:51] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe lol User47 ^_^
[18:52] <smw> User47, do you agree with my final verdict? :-)
[18:52] <User47> MrChrisDruif: yess, the update manager didn't work , but the terminal always works
[18:52] <User47> smw: ofcourse
[18:53] <smw> User47, I still have no verdict on upgrading my desktop. This thing is just so stable...
[18:53] <MrChrisDruif> I'd need  small screen to judge g-s properly for that
[18:54] <User47> smw: i won' t upgrade my desktop , but i do everything on the lap ^^
[18:55] <smw> User47, lol. who knows, I may keep natty until EOL
[18:55] <smw> !natty
[18:56] <smw> damn... it does not give the EOL
[18:56] <smw> !eol natty
[18:56] <smw> :-\
[18:57] <smw> wow... EOL for natty is october
[18:57] <MrChrisDruif> !eol natty
[18:57] <User47> smw: if u wanna know , i don't like even this natty , i prefer the Lucid lynx
[18:58] <User47> it's my favorite
[18:58] <smw> :-)
[18:58] <smw> User47, when it was incremental improvements, I was always on the cutting edge
[18:59] <smw> now they make too many damn changes
[18:59] <User47> smw: yes
[18:59] <User47> in Lucid i don't use the mouse at all
[19:00] <smw> User47, same for me in natty
[19:00] <User47> with compiz & full keyborad chortcuts
[19:00] <User47> it's really great
[19:00] <smw> the hud looks like it will be cool
[19:01] <smw> but that is tied to unity
[19:03] <User47> i can't find the solution for my probleme with virtualbox :(
[19:04] <User47> i fixed everything but not this
[19:44] <Artemis3> anyone who has upgraded Xubuntu to 12.04 could help me fix xfce? i barely made openbox to start :(
[20:09] <kpow> hi what kernel is the 12.04 currently using?
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> kpow; I believe 3.2.0.20 or something
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> kpow; http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/linux-image
[20:12] <MrChrisDruif> I was right
[20:12]  * MrChrisDruif loves my memory
[20:12] <swick> can i have a starting point to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/949606 ?
[20:13] <kpow> any1 has any experience on dell laptop with the beta? im using the currently preinstalled 11.04 and thinking to upgrade to the beta
[20:14] <pangolin> kpow, you probably want to wait for the final release in April
[20:14] <pangolin> unless you are ok with possible complete failure
[20:15] <kpow> yea i got a recovery usb disk :-)
[20:15] <pangolin> then go for it
[20:15] <kpow> are there any notable improvements?
[20:16] <min|dvir|us-work> Hi. Facebook is dropping only my HTTPS connections only from Python. Any thoughts?
[20:16] <min|dvir|us-work> I believe this to be an operating system issue.
[20:17] <winut> does kubuntu not run like a smelly thing on virtualbox now? this seemed to be its biggest weakness, along with error message when shutting down and general flakiness of the apps (i don't mean to be negative, but these have been some of my own observations) thanks
[20:17] <pangolin> kpow, Unity has had a lot of bug fixes and improvements. I hear good things about HUD
[20:17] <Artemis3> kpow, upgrading failed miserably to me, unless you are an expert, don't :S
[20:21] <dracnoc> winut: KDE runs slow on everything. 4.8 has seen some notable speed improvements, though there is a few bugs to be ironed out. VMWare runs things considerably faster for me rather than VirtualBox.
[20:22] <winut> ok, thanks for the info dracnoc, ill check it out. using xubuntu in vm right now but have to use some kde packages for a complete working system free of errors! lol
[20:23] <winut> does vmware offer better multicore support than virtualbox?
[20:24] <winut> i found 1 cpu is always the fastest on virtualbox, at least on windows xp vm anyway
[20:25] <dracnoc> winut: depends a little on your hardware, but multicore certainly seems stable for me. I've never tried it with an XP vm.
[20:26] <winut> thanks dracnoc. how about boot time?, this was a major factor for opting for single core and general stability (audio dropouts) especially with audio apps
[20:26] <dracnoc> I think the best feature for VMWare is giving all the weird screen resolutions that VirtualBox doesn't. So many times I've seen VB only give 800x600 or 640x480 before trying to install Guest Additions. VMWare doesn't seem to be limited that way.
[20:26] <winut> flexible vesa modes
[20:27] <dracnoc> Boot time? VMWare is certainly a lot quicker, about double the speed .v. VirtualBox.
[20:27] <winut> i rekon i will have to wait for kde 5 before it works well in a vm, maybe this should be a milestone?
[20:29] <winut> dracnoc, what version do you use? thanks
[20:29] <dracnoc> winut: interesting. Usually the devs pick an even number for the stable releases, with the odd numbers being experimental. KDE4 has been far from stable from what I've seen.
[20:29] <taglass> dracnoc, not all projects, or even most follow that convention
[20:29] <guntbert> has this channel's topic  suddenly become "discussion of different virtualization systems"?
[20:29] <dracnoc> I'm using parts of KDE 4.8, with an LXDE front and a few bits from XFCE4.8
[20:30] <winut> no, just dissing the speed of kde in a vm
[20:31] <guntbert> winut: how is that a vbox issue?
[20:31] <winut> exactly
[20:32] <winut> my observation
[20:32] <dracnoc> OK then, slightly back to topic. Isn't KDE4.8 in Precise?
[20:33] <almoxarife> dracnoc: yeap
[20:33] <dracnoc> almoxarife: thanks, thought so. I'm running 4.8 from the 11.10 PPA.
[20:33] <almoxarife> dracnoc: I use gnome-kde
[20:34] <almoxarife> dracnoc: might as well install 12.04, pretty bug free already, and the existing bugs just add fun to the process
[20:35] <dracnoc> almoxarife: i'm thinking in that direction. my oneiric is getting a little messed up with the changes I've made, might be time for a clean install.
[20:35] <kpow> but did they fix the upgrade issues or u still have to install from scratch?
[20:35] <dracnoc> kpow: i always clean install
[20:35] <almoxarife> kpow: I would not upgrade, but that's just my opinion
[20:37] <dracnoc> if you're planning to upgrade, wait a while after the official release and let a few more bugs settle down.
[20:38] <almoxarife> dracnoc: there is a change to kde on 12.04, adds a bit of overhead, but wth, overhead is something to slice and dice, one thing, if you have used dnsmasq or do use it, 12.04 wants to use it now, so caching with your own dsnmasq conf is out the window
[20:39] <dracnoc> almoxarife: oh watch me leap for joy... the one thing KDE doesn't need is extra overhead.
[20:39] <almoxarife> dracnoc: hence why I became a bind user
[20:40] <almoxarife> dracnoc: not too much overhead, aprox 100meg of mem to use all the cool kde stuff, you could still keep it all from starting like before, the akonadi stuff
[20:43] <dracnoc> oh, i drop akonadi anyway. i only use kde for some of the better apps, and dolphin's handy arrangement of providing a quick terminal in the file window, which is one of the best ways to introduce a CLI imho.
[20:44] <almoxarife> dracnoc: I am still more in tune with nautilus than dolphin
[20:45] <almoxarife> dracnoc: and muon is ?????? synaptic baby, that's the ticket
[20:46] <dracnoc> almoxarife: yes, gotta love muon, how the hell is that so quick? i never got on with nautilus, though it's nice to see they got the actions configuration tool working. it's a big asset to thunar.
[20:46] <kpowq> my fingers are tingling with apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:46] <almoxarife> dracnoc: ubuntu can't touch plasma desktop though, that is the one thing I appreciate about kde
[20:47] <almoxarife> kpowq: do ittttttttttttttt, you can always clean install after the mess is too much to clean-up, save your /home folder and go for it
[20:47] <dracnoc> almoxarife: yes, plasma is a hell of a lot more flexible. i've never liked unity, and gnome3, sorry, but no.
[20:48] <almoxarife> dracnoc: I run plasma with cairo-dock
[20:49] <dracnoc> almoxarife: fair enough. i used to have cairo, but i've got into the fashion of a minimalist desktop, i got fed up with the distractions.
[20:50] <almoxarife> dracnoc: cairo auto-hides, I am too lazy to drill down thru the kmenu thing, krunner is also great
[20:52] <dracnoc> i'm down to custom keyboard shortcuts for most things. i've got a 22" screen, a 1080 resolution, and i fill it with nothing... i'm probably doing something wrong. :)
[20:52] <almoxarife> dracnoc: that's a bit toooooooooooooooooo minimalism
[20:53] <almoxarife> dracnoc: live a little, throw a widget on the desktop
[20:54] <almoxarife> dracnoc: I just noticed that you can actually keep widgets on just one particular desktop, I thought about having a 'widget window' just because
[20:54] <dracnoc> almoxarife: i tried the weather widget once, but since i'm next to a window, it was just easier to look outside.
[20:55] <dracnoc> i do have a twin screen arrangement connected to my TV. Screen 2 is now showing Bram Stoker's Dracula.
[20:58] <almoxarife> dracnoc: my htc has hdmi and digital???? something connectors, I use the hdmi to connect to the plasma and feed xbmc to it, if I connected another monitor to the other connector would I be able to have the htc show something else on it??? like a desktop ?
[20:58] <dracnoc> i've kicked a load of updates through my Precise in a vm. So far, nothing has really gone wrong with it. had a few issues with bamfdaemon a while ago, but it's been good for the past week or so.
[20:59] <almoxarife> dracnoc: this morning the 'perl' update wanted to remove most of kde on upgrade, this afternoon it must have been fixed
[21:00] <dracnoc> almoxarife: plug it in and found out. if it's start smoking, either something went terribly wrong, or your HTC and the monitor really enjoyed the moment and are taking a few moments to enjoy a quiet smoke.
[21:00] <dracnoc> almoxarife: i didn't see the perl issue o.O
[21:05] <Artemis3> this is silly... can't run firefox 11 normally (crashes imediately), but works perfect if option -g (from debugger) is passed (no debug symbols)
[21:06] <Artemis3> oh at least it crashed now :)
[21:11] <dracnoc> Artemis3: are you running the Nightly build?
[21:23] <Artemis3> dracnoc, its the in the repo, should i switch?
[21:23] <dracnoc> just out of curiosity, does anyonw know if they've sorted out the HDMI/pulse audio issue in Precise? I had great fun getting audio out to my second screen.
[21:24] <dracnoc> Artemis3: the Nightly may contain new bugs, but if they've fixed yours it may help.
[21:24] <Artemis3> well i simply crashes :)
[21:24] <Artemis3> it
[21:25] <Artemis3> but lets try
[21:25] <johnjohn101> who's working on issues with vmware?  is it you guys or vmware?
[21:25] <Artemis3> i have a feeling it doesnt like libc or something :P
[21:26] <Artemis3> specially this stuff: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00007ffff742c5a6 in ?? () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[21:31] <dracnoc> Artemis3: mozilla have had libc problems for quite a while. they seem to fix it, then something new shows up.
[21:44] <atpa8a> hello
[21:44] <Artemis3> dracnoc, i'm getting Firefox 12b2 from the firefox-next ppa, let's see what it does...
[21:44] <atpa8a> what's happening with xen in precise?
[21:44] <atpa8a> cannot boot any of my guests
[21:44]  * dracnoc ducks for cover
[21:47] <macer1> Hi
[21:47] <macer1> Can anyone look at bug #946736?
[21:47] <atpa8a> device model failure
[21:48] <Artemis3> hmm
[21:48] <Artemis3> same result :(
[21:49] <dracnoc> Artemis3: damn :(
[21:53] <rgrg> I can't get grub to boot my setup anymore
[21:54] <rgrg> apparently the partitions cannot be read
[21:54] <rgrg> cant even read them from grub's commandline
[21:55] <rgrg> it happened after rebooting after updates from the last few days
[21:55] <rgrg> how an I get the kernel to load?
[21:56] <atpa8a> boot into live cd?.. see if drives have errors, etc?..
[22:00] <rgrg> I have booted from a stick, checked the filesystems, chrooted, set up grub anew... everything appears to be fine, but the grub bootloader cannot find partitions
[22:00] <rgrg> I really don;t understand, it is as if grub just does not understand the partition table anymore or something like that (I use a standard partition table, nothing exotic)
[22:05] <macer1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/897038/, why the .desktop files of java was moved?
[22:05] <macer1> I mean deleted
[22:06] <macer1> are they in other package now?
[22:11] <swattor> anyone else had major problems recently with flickering dash, menu bar and apps?
[22:11] <swattor> something in the last few days has caused lots of glitches to start appearing on my desktop
[22:20] <rgrg> does anyone have any tips how i can solve my grub-issue?
[22:22] <Belial`> is there any way to keep the launcher showing after launching an app from it? like as long as the mouse is still hovering over the launcher it'll keep from autohiding?
[22:24] <cryptotheslow> Belial`, that's how it works for me anyway and I'm fairly sure I've not configured anything to make it so.
[22:24] <rgrg> what can cause grub not to recognize partitions? I use a standard MBR table, but grub just cannot find any partition. partitions&table are fine and chrooted grub sets up without errors, but grub just cannot find the /boot partition
[22:24] <rgrg> or any other partition
[22:25] <Belial`> cryptotheslow, ah. when i click an app in the launcher, if i don't move the mouse at all over the launcher, it'll autohide on me after about a half second. i've been messing with ccsm to try and stop it from autohiding as long as the mouse is still on the launcher in one place, but i can't seem to set it that way.
[22:25] <Belial`> unless, of course, i move the mouse down or up staying on the launcher.
[22:26] <Belial`> same goes for switch between windows.
[22:27] <cryptotheslow> Belial`, Ahh I see what you mean now.
[22:46] <Belial`> is there a way to let the global menu show all the time in 12.04?
[22:48] <kklimonda> I don't think so
[22:58] <macer1> Belial` check in ccsm
[22:58] <alteregoa> hello ubuntoids
[22:59] <alteregoa> the kernel 3.3 from kernel ppa has to revert a btrfs commit
[22:59] <alteregoa> a bug makes btrfs trees read only
[22:59] <alteregoa> accordign to this bug report
[22:59] <alteregoa> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/29006
[22:59] <alteregoa> fter the upgrade to Linux 3.3.0-1, any write to a btrfs partition results in a “no space left on device” error.
[23:00] <macer1> alteregoa: file a bug please :)
[23:00] <alteregoa> im to lazy
[23:00] <macer1> xD
[23:00] <macer1> ubuntu-bug linux
[23:01] <macer1> logs from ubuntu-bug will be helpful.
[23:02] <kklimonda> I don't think we actually revert commits in mainline kernels
[23:02] <kklimonda> that would defeat their purpose
[23:03] <macer1> report upstream?
[23:05] <kklimonda> it's already fixed and commited so no need to
[23:06] <macer1> backport?
[23:06] <macer1> :>
[23:07] <kklimonda> mainline kernels should really be exactly what you get from kernel.org
[23:07] <macer1> ...
[23:07] <kklimonda> it's the only reason to use them after all - to test if there are regressions in our patches
[23:07] <kklimonda> (well, the other is to get support for newer hardware but meh)
[23:07] <macer1> just leave it broken
[23:08] <macer1> :>
[23:08] <kklimonda> macer1: the reason for mainline kernels is to have a way of testing unmodified upstream kernels to check if issues are because of local patches or not
[23:09] <macer1> yea I know
[23:09] <kklimonda> macer1: modyfying mainline kernel would defeat its main purpose
[23:09] <macer1> but you said that this is fixed :>
[23:09] <macer1> so is this fixed or...
[23:09] <kklimonda> yes, but there is no stable release yet with the fix
[23:10] <kklimonda> it may be fixed in a daily mainline build though, if the fix made it to the Linus' tree
[23:11] <kklimonda> (which is the case apparently - I just checked the patch location)
[23:11] <macer1> is this bug in the main kernel in main repo of 12.04?
[23:11] <kklimonda> but wait, this fix is from february.. did it get merged to linus' tree after 3.3 release?
[23:12] <kklimonda> no
[23:12] <macer1> so no problem I think :D
[23:12] <kklimonda> at least nothing indicates it is
[23:16] <macer1> kklimonda: zrobiłbyś coś dla mnie? potrzebuję żeby ktoś ustawił jakiś priorytet przy bug #946736 :>
[23:18] <kklimonda> macer1: looking
[23:19] <macer1> thx
[23:23] <kklimonda> done
[23:25] <MCR1> Someone else experiencing strange flickering after latest compiz update ?
[23:25] <macer1> thx, I hope someone will look at it now :)
[23:25] <MCR1> macer1: Intel gfx ?
[23:25] <macer1> no
[23:26] <macer1> nvidia here
[23:26] <MCR1> it is quite HARDCORE here
[23:26] <macer1> :D
[23:26] <MCR1> hurting my eyes badly
[23:26] <macer1> nouveau is HARDCORE too
[23:27] <macer1> it freezes really often ;/
[23:27] <MCR1> macer1: Did you report that on the #ubuntu-unity channel ?
[23:27] <kklimonda> launchpad is a better place to report bugs ;)
[23:27] <macer1> it is driver problem
[23:27] <macer1> it freezes all the system
[23:27] <macer1> However only on nouveau I have working tty's... :(
[23:28] <MCR1> here no freeze, but mad flickering over the whole screen all the time
[23:28] <kklimonda> MCR1: maybe it's some plugin?
[23:28] <macer1> unity --reset
[23:28] <kklimonda> MCR1: have you tried on a guest account?
[23:29] <MCR1> kklimonda: no, will try that.
[23:29] <macer1> and did it happen on gnome shell i.e?
[23:29] <MCR1> kklimonda: plugin possibility high ;)
[23:30] <MCR1> brb
[23:31] <macer1> ubuntu why u make my laptop so hot >.>
[23:32] <kklimonda> it's a penance for buying a laptop with nvidia :P
[23:32] <macer1> uhh
[23:32] <macer1> >.>
[23:33] <kklimonda> which reminds me I should really prepare my nvidia gpu for shipping back to MSI for RMA.. again
[23:33] <MCR1> guest session works, but it starts Unity-2d there
[23:34] <MCR1> unity --reset won't help, because Compiz without Unity shows the same weird effect
[23:34] <MCR1> the good news: Unity 5.8 now works here again :)
[23:35] <macer1> kklimonda: I know why it was so hot xD
[23:35] <kklimonda> macer1: why?
[23:36] <macer1> I was running MineCraft in background lol
[23:36] <kklimonda> ah
[23:36] <kklimonda> wow, unity-2d is catching up with unity
[23:36] <macer1> it even have multi-touch support ;D
[23:37] <macer1> the plan is to replace unity-3d with the qml 2d, when it will be ready
[23:37] <macer1> I think
[23:48] <itaylor57> fixed my wifi problem, I installed an Intel Centrino 6230, it is working great :>)
[23:52] <wickedwiccan> any idea how to fix this error after sudo apt-get update
[23:52] <wickedwiccan> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2EA8F35793D8809A
[23:52] <macer1> W = warning
[23:54] <macer1> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 2EA8F35793D8809A
[23:54] <macer1> gpg --armor --export 2EA8F35793D8809A | apt-key add -
[23:54] <jbicha> wickedwiccan: I do sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt; sudo apt-get update but that's not necessarily a secure way of handling that
[23:55] <jbicha> I get that error on one wifi network I use that requires a username & password with a browser instead of using WPA like they should do
[23:58] <wickedwiccan> ok how do you get openjdk or any java
[23:58] <itaylor57> !java