[00:44] * didrocks really goes to bed now [00:44] see you tomorrow guys! === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [06:11] Good morning [06:22] hey bryceh looks like you had a productive patch piloting session [06:22] GunnarHj: good morning [06:22] rickspencer3, yep [06:23] hey rickspencer3 [06:23] hi pitti [06:23] wow, half of the sponsoring queue is less than two days old [06:23] and Sarvatt fixed the compiz crasher last night (my last night) [06:23] I feel like a happy boy this morning, no one burst my bubble, please :) [06:24] rickspencer3: no beer yet, though [06:24] lol [06:24] need to look into what's breaking farsight [06:24] I said not to burst my bubble! [06:24] :) [06:24] SCNR [06:24] * pitti hugs rickspencer3 [06:25] pitti, in point of fact, I did not panic when I saw there were 2 problems in precice_probs [06:25] * rickspencer3 hugs pitti [06:26] pitti, looks like there was an unstable job with the 54 bit desktop too [06:27] 54? [06:28] lol [06:28] pitti, new Intel thing. [06:28] indeed, it's our newest architecture [06:28] the geovexium [06:29] we found the chip in an alien crash site, thought we'd build a Ubuntu for it [06:31] lol [06:39] speaking of aliens, looks like we're going to get new -fglrx and -nvidia next week. hoping if we get those in it'll take care of some of the various bugs we're seeing with them. [06:41] hey bryceh that's good news [06:42] are those the final ones? [06:44] rickspencer3, final before 12.04 release [06:44] rickspencer3, remember we can now do opt-in updates post-release too :-) [06:44] righto [06:45] but I still recall a couple of years ago we were always getting the binary drivers really close to, or even after, release [06:45] yeah [06:46] this cycle we've at least had *functional* drivers the whole release. helpful to all the testers [06:46] however the versions we have right now are relatively unstable [06:46] word is the new versions solve a lot of the problems users are seeing [06:47] rickspencer3: FYI, bug 956041 is standing between here and beer, I adjusted it accordingly [06:47] Launchpad bug 956041 in telepathy-qt4 "Unmet dependency due to farsight being renamed to farstream" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956041 [06:47] bryceh: Hurray! I wonder if the new fglrx will *really* support hybrid graphics on the laptop I have, rather than claiming to ☺ [06:47] pitti, sounds like someone needs to awk their way to beer? [06:48] RAOF, as long as it leaves us with functioning Xv I'll be happy [06:48] Pfft! Who watches video, anyway! [06:49] No one on fglrx, at least ☺ [06:49] yeah we all know they're just using it for pr0n [06:49] on those internets [06:49] It's for their own good, having X die like that. [06:51] maybe it'll encourage them to get a proper 54-bit video card [06:51] lol [06:53] Is that the new Intel ABI they'd like us to kindly bootstrap? [07:11] hey all, so what's up with unity for beta 2? is there a release that's got to be tested and all that queued up? [07:11] it's supposed to land today, yes [07:11] good morning [07:12] bonjour didrocks [07:12] didrocks: run! [07:13] didrocks: rick asked about unity a minute ago!! [07:13] * pitti hugs didrocks [07:13] * didrocks hugs pitti [07:13] didrocks: I hope you slept well, and didn't go to bed at 3 or so? [07:13] pitti: I went to bed at 2… [07:13] eww [07:13] you're up early then [07:14] I know, but I need to act on unity soon enough if needed… [07:14] we had jasoncwarner_'s issue last need, I need to know the status [07:16] hey didrocks [07:17] bonjour rickspencer3 [07:17] one day we will have a unity landing that does involved late nights [07:18] one day :-) [07:19] normally, I can resist without coffee, but not today bbiab ;) [07:19] RAOF: do you have time to look into bug 827934? [07:19] Launchpad bug 827934 in colord "colord crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827934 [07:19] pitti: so basically, duflu is on some additional work, jasoncwarner_ is experiencing this bug and they got an idea [07:19] RAOF: seems to be a common assertion failure, and reproducible in jenkins [07:19] but still weird, there is a compositer claimed to run before compiz starts in some case… [07:20] pitti: I've started looking at that. Oooh, reproducible in Jenkins? [07:20] RAOF: I think I saw it in some dist-upgrade failed tests, yes [07:21] hmm, not in the current ones, though [07:21] Upstream has thrown their hands up about a bunch of crashes and split the sane stuff out into a separate process. [07:21] RAOF: anyway, the assertion message is in the stack trace [07:21] Which can then crash with impunity. I don't *think* this is that problem, though. [07:22] Yeah; it's a strange dbus problem. [07:22] jasoncwarner_: you added rls-p-tracking to bug 870643 [07:22] Launchpad bug 870643 in flashplugin-nonfree "package flashplugin-downloader failed to install/upgrade: wget: unable to resolve host address `archive.canonical.com'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870643 [07:23] jasoncwarner_: I'm not quite sure what to do there, though; it's been there for ages, and if you can't reach archive.c.c there's not much that this can do about [07:23] I think it's correct to let package installation fail there [07:24] pitti: re the bug, can we close the bug then? get some resolution in the system ? I'm fine with that, though maybe a messgae would also be good [07:25] jasoncwarner_: well, we can keep the bug open, but I don't see us guarantee to fix it [07:25] so perhaps rls-mgr-p-tracking, or dropping the tag? [07:26] pitti: slangasek is working on something for this I think [07:26] pitti: I'll remove the tag, for sure. I was more thinking, if we know that is what we are going to do with the bug, go ahead and resolve it and close it :) [07:26] oh, bug 876298 [07:26] Launchpad bug 876298 in update-notifier "[FFe] [MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298 [07:27] right :) [07:27] so I think we can make that a dupe [07:34] dobey: ubuntuone-client-proxy currently wants to go to universe, so I suppose we should seed it somewhere; I was just wondering if it sohldn't be a dependency of something? or do we have an installer shim which will get it on demand? [07:43] did compiz defaults change recently? I use focus-follows-mouse and noticed that autoraise is now on by default [07:47] I think autoraise had been on for a long time already; I always had to disable it as well [07:48] there is autoraise and raise-on-click.. how confusing :) [07:49] from dconf-editor it seems that autoraise is default false, raise-on-click default true [07:50] but ccsm shows autoraise on, and resetting it always turns it on [08:01] Good morning. [08:01] * didrocks has an evil idea of a workaround [08:27] does anyone know how/where the lightdm session is defined? the hw volume keys don't seem to work on the login screen, and RAOF suggested it might be a missing g-s-d plugin causing that [08:59] hey [09:02] hey is for hearses [09:03] hi seb128 [09:03] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [09:03] i can blame bug 956961 on seb128 ;) [09:03] Launchpad bug 956961 in firefox "Firefox 11.04.1 does not use the gnome-proxy-settings" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956961 [09:04] happy beta2 friday! [09:04] i'm good thanks [09:04] how are you? [09:04] I'm good thanks [09:04] chrisccoulson, no you can't, I had to refresh my makefile knowledge thanks to you yesterday [09:04] heh [09:04] you own me already for this one :p [09:05] chrisccoulson, wth? remove gsettings-desktop-schemas? it's not possible, it provides most of the desktop keys and you know how gsettings handle missing schemas right? ;-) [09:05] seb128, this is on ubuntu 11.04 [09:06] the problem is that gsettings-desktop-schemas exists, but nothing uses it [09:06] oh [09:06] so, firefox now thinks it can use gsettings for the proxy settings, because the schema exists [09:06] I'm clearly not awake ;-) [09:06] but it fails because the proxy settings are actually still in gconf :) [09:07] seb128, we also have the same issue for background settings, but that's not a new issue in 11.04 [09:07] chrisccoulson, I'm trying to remember if g-d-s was useful for anything in 11.04 [09:07] yeah, me too [09:08] it's not installed by default, is it? [09:08] I don't think it was [09:08] oh, good, I still have a natty iso on disk [09:08] * seb128 boots it [09:08] yes, it was I think [09:09] a depends of mousetweaks [09:09] from natty chroot: [09:09] apt-cache show gsettings-desktop-schemas | grep Task [09:09] Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-uec-live, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-uec-live, ubuntu-netbook [09:12] chrisccoulson, yeah, it's installed by default for mousetweaks on natty [09:12] micahg, thanks [09:12] seb128, that's broken then, as gsd is using gconf still [09:13] i guess nobody cared about that enough to notice that it doesn't work ;) [09:14] chrisccoulson, well it's not really "broken", since most of your client don't try both === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk [09:14] chrisccoulson, i.e nothing in natty at the time was using gsettings so it was basically not hurting to have the non used gsettings keys around [09:15] chrisccoulson, can you force the gconf codepatch on < 11.10? [09:15] seb128, oh, i meant that mousetweaks is broken. it's changing gsettings keys that nothing else is consuming [09:15] seb128, yeah, possibly. but i want a way that is acceptable for upstream builds too really. i'm trying to figure out a way to detect that [09:16] chrisccoulson, oh, could be, I'm not sure mousetweaks change "common" keys or is a standalone thing, I don't even know what moousetweaks do ;-) [09:16] seb128, mousetweaks is changing keys in the org.gnome.desktop.a11y.mouse namespace, which is consumed by g-s-d in the current version [09:17] chrisccoulson, what g-s-d does from them? well as you probably noticed I'm totally ignorant of that stack :p [09:17] seb128, i've no idea ;) [09:17] chrisccoulson, anyway if nobody noticed mousetweaks being broken in 11.04 in a year I would vote for "don't bother" [09:18] i just grepped the source for that namespace, and saw that gsd uses it in the mouse plugin ;) [09:18] (but not in 11.04) [09:19] chrisccoulson, ok, g-s-d run mousetweaks when you activated one of the mouse "tweaks" in g-c-c [09:20] like dwell click [09:20] or secondary click [09:20] chrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/762806 [09:20] Launchpad bug 762806 in baltix "[regression] shipped mousetweaks (3.0) does not work with shipped control-center (2.32), needs downgrade" [Undecided,New] [09:21] ah :) [09:21] chrisccoulson, well anyway as said it has been there for a year, people who need mousetweaks probably worked around it or moved away from natty [09:22] chrisccoulson, let's focus on the firefox side [09:22] chrisccoulson, you could sru gsettings-desktop-schemas to drop the proxy keys from it ;-) [09:23] seb128, yeah, that could be one idea. and the background keys ;) [09:23] chrisccoulson, wfm [09:23] chrisccoulson, better you could downgrade mousetweaks and make firefox conflicts on gsettings-desktop-schemas :p [09:23] though I'm not sure that would make upgrades "clean" [09:24] that would work too, but would be more work :) [09:24] i.e update-manager will not likely happily uninstall something [09:24] it seems like mousetweaks is the only thing that depends on g-d-s in natty, which is nice and easy [09:24] right [09:24] that's the cycle where we decided to not go for GNOME3 [09:25] i'll just test this here to make sure that it works [09:26] chrisccoulson, ok [09:32] chrisccoulson, uninstalling g-d-s on that natty kvm doesn't seem to create any visible issue [09:33] cool, thanks [09:44] oh, it's a seb128! bonjour [09:44] hey chrisccoulson [09:44] hey pitti, wie gehts? [09:44] seb128: gut, danke! feeling my jaw less and less [09:45] seb128: another day, and you break 300 bugs, well done! [09:45] pitti, you are getting closer from me again ;-) [09:45] we might both get there for beta2 ;-) [09:45] I don't think I can fix that many during the freeze [09:47] hi pitti, how are you? [09:47] quite fine, thanks! [09:47] how about you? [09:47] seb128, ok, that works fine here :) [09:50] seb128, morning [09:51] pitti: we are tracking a *new* issue that only 2 users are experiencing. To help debugging, can you please bump both unity build? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending [09:52] * pitti makes a magic whirl move [09:53] thanks pitti! ;) [10:15] today will be libreoffices best day in the new bugs reported department, i guess. [10:16] bug.freedesktop.org is out of disc space. [10:16] same for Xorg and a few more, a great day for free software. [10:22] lol [10:22] we need to do the same for launchpad [10:22] lol [10:34] can we shut down IRC as well? :p [10:36] didrocks, that's easy, that's called close your IRC client ;-) [10:37] seb128: well, I prefer the whole internet to shut down right now to not feel guilty :) [10:37] hehe [10:39] * ogra_ hands didrocks http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/ [10:39] "Nightly prevented this site from opening a popup window" [10:39] ;) [10:40] "This is THE internet" - The IT Crowd [10:40] "The Internet is one fire" [10:40] well, then you cant shut it down ... though it would make sense anyway to send out a mass mail to everyone first [10:40] ok, back to crashy/puzzling issue ;) [10:40] so people can save their google docs ;) [10:41] ahah [11:12] ok, most frequent retracers dups this week: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/896289/ [11:26] pitti, mind copying gsettings-desktop-schemas from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa to natty-proposed? [11:26] not sure if you saw the earlier scrollback :) [11:27] vuntz, hey, did you see bugs like bug #948667 [11:27] Launchpad bug 948667 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_pop_verify_invariants()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948667 [11:27] vuntz, it's hitting lot of users in precise it seems [11:31] seb128: nope [11:31] vuntz, ok [11:34] hi pitti, when you've got a minute, could you please copy the 11.10 zh-hans language pack from oneiric-proposed to oneiric-updates? It's been now tested and signed off by someone from the PES team -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Test_results_Ubuntu_11.10_.22Oneiric_Ocelot.22 [12:12] dpm: ah, sure [12:13] dpm: for gnome, kde, or both? [12:13] dpm: nevermind, it says there [12:15] dpm: done [12:16] pitti, cool, thanks! [12:20] Can I disable the HUD? I think the idea is great, but every darn time I switch windows, it steals the focus, because I alt-too quickly (or alt- else to switch tabs in Chrome or whatever). [12:20] ER... [12:20] alt-tab too quickly. [12:22] soren: in ccsm's unity settings you can change the key [12:22] set it to shift+super+alt+ctrl or so :) [12:22] Or caps lock. [12:22] I never use that. [12:23] That might actually prove useful. [12:23] soren: I swapped caps lock and esc [12:23] (yes, that gives me away as heavy vim user :) ) [12:23] pitti: I tried that several times. Never managed to make my fingers follow suit. [12:24] it's so damn useful in vi [12:24] I can deal with switching from Danish keyboard to US ones. Takes me a minute or so, but that's it. The caps-lock<- soren: I can imagine; I'm just plain unable to use vim on a non-swapped keyboard [12:25] I get lost in "broken" (shifted) keys in seconds [12:25] pitti: Oh, any idea how to do it with unity-2d? [12:25] and then just scramble up the whole text [12:25] soren: uh, dconf-editor I suppose [12:26] $ gsettings list-recursively | grep hud [12:26] hmm, no match [12:26] pitti, hi [12:26] com.canonical.Unity2d.Launcher super-key-enable true [12:26] pitti: "grep super" :) [12:26] soren: but that's dash, not hud [12:26] *headdesk* [12:26] right. [12:26] grep Alt doesn't show anything either [12:27] No worries. I'll work it out. [12:27] soren: so, smells like hardcoded [12:27] * soren apt-get sources unity-2d === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:30] Yup. [12:30] HArdcoded. [12:30] ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp- d->m_altHotModifier = KeyboardModifiersMonitor::instance()->getHotModifierFor(Qt::AltModifier); [12:30] ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp: connect(d->m_altHotModifier, SIGNAL(tapped()), SLOT(toggleHudRequested())); [12:30] hey tkamppeter [12:30] ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp- d->m_altHotModifier = KeyboardModifiersMonitor::instance()->getHotModifierFor(Qt::AltModifier); [12:30] ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp: connect(d->m_altHotModifier, SIGNAL(tapped()), SLOT(toggleHudRequested())); [12:30] Whoops, sorry. [12:31] pitti, I am preparing a new foomatic-filters package to fix bug 953962 and bug 960989, can I simply upload it? Will it get into beta2 or wait for after beta2? Do I have to upload it into precise-proposed? It is a small change in the upstream code. [12:31] Launchpad bug 953962 in foomatic-filters "Several mm left offset on Canon ir3035" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953962 [12:31] Launchpad bug 960989 in cups "Misplaced spaces on printout on Canon ir 3035" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960989 [12:31] tkamppeter: you can upload any time [12:31] tkamppeter: no -proposed necessary, it's a small package [12:31] pitti, simply into "precise"? [12:31] tkamppeter: if you want it in b2, please ask in #ubuntu-release, and we'll review it [12:31] tkamppeter: yes [12:31] pitti, OK, thanks. [12:32] tkamppeter: today it's still fine to do fixes, we just want to avoid breakage [12:40] didrocks: err... [12:40] DeviceLauncherIcon::DeviceLauncherIcon(GVolume* volume) [12:40] , device_file_(g_volume_get_identifier(volume_, G_VOLUME_IDENTIFIER_KIND_UNIX_DEVICE)) [12:40] , gdu_device_(get_device_for_device_file(device_file_)) [12:41] didrocks: I'm not quite convinced that an identifier is a valid device file [12:41] at least not in all cases [12:43] pitti: ah interesting [12:43] will have a look after the release [12:43] didrocks: anyway, I'll follow up to the bug [12:43] (surely on monday) [12:43] better there [12:43] thanks! [12:46] ah, hang on, looks like I'm wrong [12:46] meh, it'd be nice to be able to reproduce this === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [12:56] pitti, foomatic-filters_4.0.15-0ubuntu1 uploaded, can you pass it through. Thanks. [12:59] pitti, yeah, bugs would be easier if you could reproduce them all ;-) [13:05] when stracing compiz metacity I am seeing truckloads of EAGAIN... is that really expected? Seems very odd [13:05] is it just me? [13:05] compiz or metacity? [13:05] yep, both [13:05] missing an "or" there :-) [13:05] kamstrup: bug 917210 could be the compiz part [13:05] Launchpad bug 917210 in unity "compiz+unity3d generates > 50 wakeups a second on idle system" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917210 [13:06] hello peeps [13:07] pitti: I am actually on compiz trunk, which the fix should be in if I understand correctly... I am also seeing it from metacity... [13:07] maybe it's not out of the ordinary [13:07] just looks wrong for my uninitiated eyes [13:07] it certainly is === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:07] it shouldn't keep trying, but use select() properly [13:08] weird thing is that I am alos seeing it from metacity [13:21] pitti: the -proxy package is separate because it needs pyqt to work. it should be in main though. [13:27] dobey: thanks, seeded now; how is it getting installed, if not through dependencies? [13:28] pitti: right now, it will need to be manually installed by users who need proxy support [13:29] will likely add it to list of things to install in ubuntuone-installer, but didn't have time to do so for b2 [13:32] pitti: apparently lots of EAGAIN are the norm... checked also metacity on UNE on an old Lucid box... go figure [13:33] seb128, you HATE the lock screen :) [13:33] mterry, indeed, hate hate hate! [13:34] ;-) [13:34] how did you guess? ;-) [13:34] * kenvandine enjoyed the day or two we had the unity greeter for the lock screen [13:34] it's a ugly grey square [13:34] it feels like win95 [13:34] robert_ancell seems to hate it as well :p [13:35] kenvandine, context is bug #878836 [13:35] Launchpad bug 878836 in lightdm "Unity Greeter - Use Unity Greeter to fulfil lock screen as well as login functions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878836 [13:35] robert_ancell got https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97835342/IMG_20120322_170218.jpg [13:35] with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97835133/0001-Make-gnome-screensaver-look-like-Unity-Greeter.patch which is "not so complicated" patch [13:35] haha [13:36] I'm tempted to try to push it [13:36] the current screen is so .... URG [13:36] at least it looks nicer than what we have [13:36] or at least optional and maybe turn it on by .1 or something :p [13:37] is there a way we can choose to use the greeter for a lock screen ? [13:37] but I feel like mterry and pitti will ruin my day with reality check and "we are months after ff and uif" ;-) [13:37] indeed :) [13:38] kenvandine, not really, that doesn't work on non dkms drivers and we never solved the consolekit active session issues (i.e sound stopping on screen locking if you are in a call), nor make the greeter respect user settings for screen power on or suspend [13:38] i.e too many issues with the vt change and different user [13:38] * mterry is perfectly fine with this lock screen for the next 5 years of 12.04 :) [13:38] mterry, you never lock your screen I bet :p [13:39] mterry, 5 years of ugly gtk grey box? [13:39] * desrt smacks kenvandine for suggesting that gtk is ugly [13:39] I like function! [13:39] seb128, i meant if i know the limitations and still willing to use it... it would be cool if i could set that locally [13:40] desrt, i am really tired of that old gtk gray [13:40] i have to say... as a lot of the UI in gnome-shell world gets changed from these 'ugly grey boxes' to these shiny new things.... [13:40] i miss the ugly grey rectangles [13:40] i'll never miss it [13:40] kenvandine: your particular brand of 'gtk grey' comes from cimi :) [13:40] desrt, I guess gnome-shell still has the grey rectangles in their lock screen as well :p [13:41] seb128: you know... i don't really know what is the story there [13:41] desrt, indeed... [13:41] seb128: supposedly gnome-shell was moving the lock screen into the WM [13:41] desrt, story as I read it yesterday on #gnome-hackers that plan is still on but for 3.6 now [13:41] gotcha [13:41] it makes sense [13:41] gnome-screensaver is stupid [13:41] but i'll miss the rectangles :) [13:41] ;-) [13:42] * desrt wonders if it's possible to get a 1990s theme for gnome-shell [13:42] desrt, kill g-s-d [13:42] you will get it :p [13:42] unfortunately that doesn't impact shell [13:42] its default theme is... well, it's default theme [13:42] which will probably happen for gtk next cycle as well, btw [13:43] they are about >< this close to having adwaita without a theme engine [13:43] well it's already the case on most distros [13:43] so then they just have to import the css into gtk itself [13:43] you just need to put adwaita in your settings.ini [13:43] and then we have the default theme as the default theme [13:43] as the fallback theme [13:44] it sucks when you have 2 themes then though [13:44] i.e if you provide a light theme [13:44] seb128: that screensaver patch would be awesome [13:44] mdeslaur, ;-) [13:44] mterry, see!!! [13:44] to put numbers on it: '>< this close' is 244 lines of code (semicolons) [13:45] desrt, well, as long as they let you use a different .css I'm fine with that ;-) [13:45] '>< this close' is only two "FIXME"s in the code :) [13:45] ya. of course they do. [13:45] and in fact, they made that part easier [13:45] the changed the 'base' css to be empty [13:45] gulp, including a multimonitor FIXME [13:45] gtk's "real" default theme is now... very interesting [13:46] though I still don't understand what is all this hype about dark themes [13:46] hate those [13:46] gnome and ubuntu have taken different roads there [13:46] gnome's approach is less bad than ubuntu's, but still annoying [13:46] desrt, differently bad but equaly I would say ;-) [13:47] the only place i see a dark theme variant being useful is in fullscreen [13:47] desrt, like GNOME put those variants for apps with content [13:47] so like the totem controls in fullscreen mode... or the boxes controls when the VM is fullscreen [13:47] i.e totem [13:47] or eog [13:47] yes. i think that's really good [13:47] i wish apps would only use it in fullscreen, though [13:47] instead of just "this app will look different from the rest" [13:47] right [13:47] that's a very macos thing [13:47] and it's dumb [13:50] desrt, do you have any news about the hud icon stuff? we are beta2 frozen now but an upload today should still be ok if you get something [13:51] seb128, think i should update the telepathy packages that had releases last night? [13:52] kenvandine, if they are bug fix versions please do [13:52] they are [13:52] seb128: so the gnome designers just gave me a rather convincing story [13:52] i guess worse case they sit in the queue [13:53] seb128: the dark theme variant is used for applications that deal with visual media -- eog, totem, etc. [13:53] apparently there is a lot of science that says that images/video should always be viewed with dark chrome around [13:53] because lighter chrome distorts perception [13:56] desrt, right, I read about that, I'm just not convinced by how it's done in GNOME [13:56] desrt, like shotwell did it before and it a nicer visual way in my opinion [13:57] seb128: i'm of a mixed mind [13:57] (just installed and opened shotwell for the first time in a long time) [13:58] i appreciate how the shotwell chrome better matches the rest of the apps [13:58] but i find the transition between the dark field and the controls immediately adjacent to be a bit jarring [14:01] desrt, well it's a taste stuff, I hate dark colors with passion [14:02] desrt, i.e I would take a dark as a color choice for a device I buy either [14:02] wouldn't [14:02] like my phone, ipod, etc are colored or white [14:02] desrt, and GNOME is pushing is far enough so I can't stand the look [14:03] but yeah, if you have no opinion on color I guess it's ok ;-) [14:03] seb128: ah. i guess i disagree there. 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