[00:44]  * didrocks really goes to bed now
[00:44] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys!
[06:11] <pitti> Good morning
[06:22] <rickspencer3> hey bryceh looks like you had a productive patch piloting session
[06:22] <pitti> GunnarHj: good morning
[06:22] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yep
[06:23] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[06:23] <rickspencer3> hi pitti
[06:23] <pitti> wow, half of the sponsoring queue is less than two days old
[06:23] <rickspencer3> and Sarvatt fixed the compiz crasher last night (my last night)
[06:23] <rickspencer3> I feel like a happy boy this morning, no one burst my bubble, please :)
[06:24] <pitti> rickspencer3: no beer yet, though
[06:24] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:24] <pitti> need to look into what's breaking farsight
[06:24] <rickspencer3> I said not to burst my bubble!
[06:24] <rickspencer3> :)
[06:24] <pitti> SCNR
[06:24]  * pitti hugs rickspencer3
[06:25] <rickspencer3> pitti, in point of fact, I did not panic when I saw there were 2 problems in precice_probs
[06:25]  * rickspencer3 hugs pitti
[06:26] <rickspencer3> pitti,  looks like there was an unstable job with the 54 bit desktop too
[06:27] <pitti> 54?
[06:28] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:28] <bryceh> pitti, new Intel thing.
[06:28] <rickspencer3> indeed, it's our newest architecture
[06:28] <bryceh> the geovexium
[06:29] <rickspencer3> we found the chip in an alien crash site, thought we'd build a Ubuntu for it
[06:31] <pitti> lol
[06:39] <bryceh> speaking of aliens, looks like we're going to get new -fglrx and -nvidia next week.  hoping if we get those in it'll take care of some of the various bugs we're seeing with them.
[06:41] <rickspencer3> hey bryceh that's good news
[06:42] <rickspencer3> are those the final ones?
[06:44] <bryceh> rickspencer3, final before 12.04 release
[06:44] <bryceh> rickspencer3, remember we can now do opt-in updates post-release too :-)
[06:44] <rickspencer3> righto
[06:45] <rickspencer3> but I still recall a couple of years ago we were always getting the binary drivers really close to, or even after, release
[06:45] <bryceh> yeah
[06:46] <bryceh> this cycle we've at least had *functional* drivers the whole release.  helpful to all the testers
[06:46] <bryceh> however the versions we have right now are relatively unstable
[06:46] <bryceh> word is the new versions solve a lot of the problems users are seeing
[06:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: FYI, bug 956041 is standing between here and beer, I adjusted it accordingly
[06:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956041 in telepathy-qt4 "Unmet dependency due to farsight being renamed to farstream" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956041
[06:47] <RAOF> bryceh: Hurray!  I wonder if the new fglrx will *really* support hybrid graphics on the laptop I have, rather than claiming to ☺
[06:47] <rickspencer3> pitti, sounds like someone needs to awk their way to beer?
[06:48] <bryceh> RAOF, as long as it leaves us with functioning Xv I'll be happy
[06:48] <RAOF> Pfft!  Who watches video, anyway!
[06:49] <RAOF> No one on fglrx, at least ☺
[06:49] <bryceh> yeah we all know they're just using it for pr0n
[06:49] <bryceh> on those internets
[06:49] <RAOF> It's for their own good, having X die like that.
[06:51] <bryceh> maybe it'll encourage them to get a proper 54-bit video card
[06:51] <rickspencer3> lol
[06:53] <RAOF> Is that the new Intel ABI they'd like us to kindly bootstrap?
[07:11] <rickspencer3> hey all, so what's up with unity for beta 2? is there a release that's got to be tested and all that queued up?
[07:11] <pitti> it's supposed to land today, yes
[07:11] <didrocks> good morning
[07:12] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[07:12] <pitti> didrocks: run!
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: rick asked about unity a minute ago!!
[07:13]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[07:13]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: I hope you slept well, and didn't go to bed at 3 or so?
[07:13] <didrocks> pitti: I went to bed at 2…
[07:13] <pitti> eww
[07:13] <pitti> you're up early then
[07:14] <didrocks> I know, but I need to act on unity soon enough if needed…
[07:14] <didrocks> we had jasoncwarner_'s issue last need, I need to know the status
[07:16] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[07:17] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3
[07:17] <rickspencer3> one day we will have a unity landing that does involved late nights
[07:18] <didrocks> one day :-)
[07:19] <didrocks> normally, I can resist without coffee, but not today bbiab ;)
[07:19] <pitti> RAOF: do you have time to look into bug 827934?
[07:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 827934 in colord "colord crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827934
[07:19] <didrocks> pitti: so basically, duflu is on some additional work, jasoncwarner_ is experiencing this bug and they got an idea
[07:19] <pitti> RAOF: seems to be a common assertion failure, and reproducible in jenkins
[07:19] <didrocks> but still weird, there is a compositer claimed to run before compiz starts in some case…
[07:20] <RAOF> pitti: I've started looking at that.  Oooh, reproducible in Jenkins?
[07:20] <pitti> RAOF: I think I saw it in some dist-upgrade failed tests, yes
[07:21] <pitti> hmm, not in the current ones, though
[07:21] <RAOF> Upstream has thrown their hands up about a bunch of crashes and split the sane stuff out into a separate process.
[07:21] <pitti> RAOF: anyway, the assertion message is in the stack trace
[07:21] <RAOF> Which can then crash with impunity.  I don't *think* this is that problem, though.
[07:22] <RAOF> Yeah; it's a strange dbus problem.
[07:22] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: you added rls-p-tracking to bug 870643
[07:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 870643 in flashplugin-nonfree "package flashplugin-downloader failed to install/upgrade: wget: unable to resolve host address `archive.canonical.com'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870643
[07:23] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: I'm not quite sure what to do there, though; it's been there for ages, and if you can't reach archive.c.c there's not much that this can do about
[07:23] <pitti> I think it's correct to let package installation fail there
[07:24] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: re the bug, can we close the bug then? get some resolution in the system ? I'm fine with that, though maybe a messgae would also be good
[07:25] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: well, we can keep the bug open, but I don't see us guarantee to fix it
[07:25] <pitti> so perhaps rls-mgr-p-tracking, or dropping the tag?
[07:26] <micahg> pitti: slangasek is working on something for this I think
[07:26] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: I'll remove the tag, for sure. I was more thinking, if we know that is what we are going to do with the bug, go ahead and resolve it and close it :)
[07:26] <pitti> oh, bug 876298
[07:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876298 in update-notifier "[FFe] [MASTER] We need to better handle external payloads (Flash, msttcorefonts) not being available." [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876298
[07:27] <micahg> right :)
[07:27] <pitti> so I think we can make that a dupe
[07:34] <pitti> dobey: ubuntuone-client-proxy currently wants to go to universe, so I suppose we should seed it somewhere; I was just wondering if it sohldn't be a dependency of something? or do we have an installer shim which will get it on demand?
[07:43] <tjaalton> did compiz defaults change recently? I use focus-follows-mouse and noticed that autoraise is now on by default
[07:47] <pitti> I think autoraise had been on for a long time already; I always had to disable it as well
[07:48] <tjaalton> there is autoraise and raise-on-click.. how confusing :)
[07:49] <tjaalton> from dconf-editor it seems that autoraise is default false, raise-on-click default true
[07:50] <tjaalton> but ccsm shows autoraise on, and resetting it always turns it on
[08:01] <BigWhale> Good morning.
[08:01]  * didrocks has an evil idea of a workaround
[08:27] <tjaalton> does anyone know how/where the lightdm session is defined? the hw volume keys don't seem to work on the login screen, and RAOF suggested it might be a missing g-s-d plugin causing that
[08:59] <seb128> hey
[09:02] <bryceh> hey is for hearses
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:03] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> i can blame bug 956961 on seb128 ;)
[09:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956961 in firefox "Firefox 11.04.1 does not use the gnome-proxy-settings" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956961
[09:04] <seb128> happy beta2 friday!
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[09:04] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no you can't, I had to refresh my makefile knowledge thanks to you yesterday
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:04] <seb128> you own me already for this one :p
[09:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wth? remove gsettings-desktop-schemas? it's not possible, it provides most of the desktop keys and you know how gsettings handle missing schemas right? ;-)
[09:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128, this is on ubuntu 11.04
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> the problem is that gsettings-desktop-schemas exists, but nothing uses it
[09:06] <seb128> oh
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> so, firefox now thinks it can use gsettings for the proxy settings, because the schema exists
[09:06] <seb128> I'm clearly not awake ;-)
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> but it fails because the proxy settings are actually still in gconf :)
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, we also have the same issue for background settings, but that's not a new issue in 11.04
[09:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm trying to remember if g-d-s was useful for anything in 11.04
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> it's not installed by default, is it?
[09:08] <seb128> I don't think it was
[09:08] <seb128> oh, good, I still have a natty iso on disk
[09:08]  * seb128 boots it
[09:08] <micahg> yes, it was I think
[09:09] <micahg> a depends of mousetweaks
[09:09] <micahg> from natty chroot:
[09:09] <micahg> apt-cache show gsettings-desktop-schemas | grep Task
[09:09] <micahg> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-uec-live, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-uec-live, ubuntu-netbook
[09:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, it's installed by default for mousetweaks on natty
[09:12] <seb128> micahg, thanks
[09:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, that's broken then, as gsd is using gconf still
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> i guess nobody cared about that enough to notice that it doesn't work ;)
[09:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well it's not really "broken", since most of your client don't try both
[09:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, i.e nothing in natty at the time was using gsettings so it was basically not hurting to have the non used gsettings keys around
[09:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you force the gconf codepatch on < 11.10?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i meant that mousetweaks is broken. it's changing gsettings keys that nothing else is consuming
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, possibly. but i want a way that is acceptable for upstream builds too really. i'm trying to figure out a way to detect that
[09:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, could be, I'm not sure mousetweaks change "common" keys or is a standalone thing, I don't even know what moousetweaks do ;-)
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, mousetweaks is changing keys in the org.gnome.desktop.a11y.mouse namespace, which is consumed by g-s-d in the current version
[09:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what g-s-d does from them? well as you probably noticed I'm totally ignorant of that stack :p
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i've no idea ;)
[09:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, anyway if nobody noticed mousetweaks being broken in 11.04 in a year I would vote for "don't bother"
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> i just grepped the source for that namespace, and saw that gsd uses it in the mouse plugin ;)
[09:18] <chrisccoulson> (but not in 11.04)
[09:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, g-s-d run mousetweaks when you activated one of the mouse "tweaks" in g-c-c
[09:20] <seb128> like dwell click
[09:20] <seb128> or secondary click
[09:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/762806
[09:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 762806 in baltix "[regression] shipped mousetweaks (3.0) does not work with shipped control-center (2.32), needs downgrade" [Undecided,New]
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> ah :)
[09:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well anyway as said it has been there for a year, people who need mousetweaks probably worked around it or moved away from natty
[09:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, let's focus on the firefox side
[09:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you could sru gsettings-desktop-schemas to drop the proxy keys from it ;-)
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that could be one idea. and the background keys ;)
[09:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wfm
[09:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, better you could downgrade mousetweaks and make firefox conflicts on gsettings-desktop-schemas :p
[09:23] <seb128> though I'm not sure that would make upgrades "clean"
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> that would work too, but would be more work :)
[09:24] <seb128> i.e update-manager will not likely happily uninstall something
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems like mousetweaks is the only thing that depends on g-d-s in natty, which is nice and easy
[09:24] <seb128> right
[09:24] <seb128> that's the cycle where we decided to not go for GNOME3
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> i'll just test this here to make sure that it works
[09:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[09:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, uninstalling g-d-s on that natty kvm doesn't seem to create any visible issue
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[09:44] <pitti> oh, it's a seb128! bonjour
[09:44] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[09:44] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[09:44] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! feeling my jaw less and less
[09:45] <pitti> seb128: another day, and you break 300 bugs, well done!
[09:45] <seb128> pitti, you are getting closer from me again ;-)
[09:45] <seb128> we might both get there for beta2 ;-)
[09:45] <pitti> I don't think I can fix that many during the freeze
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[09:47] <pitti> quite fine, thanks!
[09:47] <pitti> how about you?
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ok, that works fine here :)
[09:50] <ritz_> seb128, morning
[09:51] <didrocks> pitti: we are tracking a *new* issue that only 2 users are experiencing. To help debugging, can you please bump both unity build? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[09:52]  * pitti makes a magic whirl move
[09:53] <didrocks> thanks pitti! ;)
[10:15] <Sweetshark> today will be libreoffices best day in the new bugs reported department, i guess.
[10:16] <Sweetshark> bug.freedesktop.org is out of disc space.
[10:16] <Sweetshark> same for Xorg and a few more, a great day for free software.
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> we need to do the same for launchpad
[10:22] <pitti> lol
[10:34] <didrocks> can we shut down IRC as well? :p
[10:36] <seb128> didrocks, that's easy, that's called close your IRC client ;-)
[10:37] <didrocks> seb128: well, I prefer the whole internet to shut down right now to not feel guilty :)
[10:37] <seb128> hehe
[10:39]  * ogra_ hands didrocks http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> "Nightly prevented this site from opening a popup window"
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[10:40] <didrocks> "This is THE internet" - The IT Crowd
[10:40] <didrocks> "The Internet is one fire"
[10:40] <ogra_> well, then you cant shut it down ... though it would make sense anyway to send out a mass mail to everyone first
[10:40] <didrocks> ok, back to crashy/puzzling issue ;)
[10:40] <ogra_> so people can save their google docs ;)
[10:41] <didrocks> ahah
[11:12] <seb128> ok, most frequent retracers dups this week: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/896289/
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti, mind copying gsettings-desktop-schemas from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa to natty-proposed?
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> not sure if you saw the earlier scrollback :)
[11:27] <seb128> vuntz, hey, did you see bugs like bug #948667
[11:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 948667 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_pop_verify_invariants()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/948667
[11:27] <seb128> vuntz, it's hitting lot of users in precise it seems
[11:31] <vuntz> seb128: nope
[11:31] <seb128> vuntz, ok
[11:34] <dpm> hi pitti, when you've got a minute, could you please copy the 11.10 zh-hans language pack from oneiric-proposed to oneiric-updates? It's been now tested and signed off by someone from the PES team -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA#Test_results_Ubuntu_11.10_.22Oneiric_Ocelot.22
[12:12] <pitti> dpm: ah, sure
[12:13] <pitti> dpm: for gnome, kde, or both?
[12:13] <pitti> dpm: nevermind, it says there
[12:15] <pitti> dpm: done
[12:16] <dpm> pitti, cool, thanks!
[12:20] <soren> Can I disable the HUD? I think the idea is great, but every darn time I switch windows, it steals the focus, because I alt-too quickly (or alt-<something> else to switch tabs in Chrome or whatever).
[12:20] <soren> ER...
[12:20] <soren> alt-tab too quickly.
[12:22] <pitti> soren: in ccsm's unity settings you can change the key
[12:22] <pitti> set it to shift+super+alt+ctrl or so :)
[12:22] <soren> Or caps lock.
[12:22] <soren> I never use that.
[12:23] <soren> That might actually prove useful.
[12:23] <pitti> soren: I swapped caps lock and esc
[12:23] <pitti> (yes, that gives me away as heavy vim user :) )
[12:23] <soren> pitti: I tried that several times. Never managed to make my fingers follow suit.
[12:24] <pitti> it's so damn useful in vi
[12:24] <soren> I can deal with switching from Danish keyboard to US ones. Takes me a minute or so, but that's it. The caps-lock<-<Esc thing... Never managed.
[12:25] <pitti> soren: I can imagine; I'm just plain unable to use vim on a non-swapped keyboard
[12:25] <pitti> I get lost in "broken" (shifted) keys in seconds
[12:25] <soren> pitti: Oh, any idea how to do it with unity-2d?
[12:25] <pitti> and then just scramble up the whole text
[12:25] <pitti> soren: uh, dconf-editor I suppose
[12:26] <pitti> $ gsettings list-recursively | grep hud
[12:26] <pitti> hmm, no match
[12:26] <tkamppeter_> pitti, hi
[12:26] <soren> com.canonical.Unity2d.Launcher super-key-enable true
[12:26] <soren> pitti: "grep super" :)
[12:26] <pitti> soren: but that's dash, not hud
[12:26] <soren> *headdesk*
[12:26] <soren> right.
[12:26] <pitti> grep Alt doesn't show anything either
[12:27] <soren> No worries. I'll work it out.
[12:27] <pitti> soren: so, smells like hardcoded
[12:27]  * soren apt-get sources unity-2d
[12:30] <soren> Yup.
[12:30] <soren> HArdcoded.
[12:30] <soren> ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp-    d->m_altHotModifier = KeyboardModifiersMonitor::instance()->getHotModifierFor(Qt::AltModifier);
[12:30] <soren> ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp:    connect(d->m_altHotModifier, SIGNAL(tapped()), SLOT(toggleHudRequested()));
[12:30] <pitti> hey tkamppeter
[12:30] <soren> ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp-    d->m_altHotModifier = KeyboardModifiersMonitor::instance()->getHotModifierFor(Qt::AltModifier);
[12:30] <soren> ./shell/app/shellmanager.cpp:    connect(d->m_altHotModifier, SIGNAL(tapped()), SLOT(toggleHudRequested()));
[12:30] <soren> Whoops, sorry.
[12:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am preparing a new foomatic-filters package to fix bug 953962 and bug 960989, can I simply upload it? Will it get into beta2 or wait for after beta2? Do I have to upload it into precise-proposed? It is a small change in the upstream code.
[12:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 953962 in foomatic-filters "Several mm left offset on Canon ir3035" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953962
[12:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 960989 in cups "Misplaced spaces on printout on Canon ir 3035" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960989
[12:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: you can upload any time
[12:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: no -proposed necessary, it's a small package
[12:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, simply into "precise"?
[12:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you want it in b2, please ask in #ubuntu-release, and we'll review it
[12:31] <pitti> tkamppeter: yes
[12:31] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, thanks.
[12:32] <pitti> tkamppeter: today it's still fine to do fixes, we just want to avoid breakage
[12:40] <pitti> didrocks: err...
[12:40] <pitti> DeviceLauncherIcon::DeviceLauncherIcon(GVolume* volume)
[12:40] <pitti>   , device_file_(g_volume_get_identifier(volume_, G_VOLUME_IDENTIFIER_KIND_UNIX_DEVICE))
[12:40] <pitti>   , gdu_device_(get_device_for_device_file(device_file_))
[12:41] <pitti> didrocks: I'm not quite convinced that an identifier is a valid device file
[12:41] <pitti> at least not in all cases
[12:43] <didrocks> pitti: ah interesting
[12:43] <didrocks> will have a look after the release
[12:43] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I'll follow up to the bug
[12:43] <didrocks> (surely on monday)
[12:43] <pitti> better there
[12:43] <didrocks> thanks!
[12:46] <pitti> ah, hang on, looks like I'm wrong
[12:46] <pitti> meh, it'd be nice to be able to reproduce this
[12:56] <tkamppeter> pitti, foomatic-filters_4.0.15-0ubuntu1 uploaded, can you pass it through. Thanks.
[12:59] <seb128> pitti, yeah, bugs would be easier if you could reproduce them all ;-)
[13:05] <kamstrup> when stracing compiz metacity I am seeing truckloads of EAGAIN... is that really expected? Seems very odd
[13:05] <kamstrup> is it just me?
[13:05] <pitti> compiz or metacity?
[13:05] <kamstrup> yep, both
[13:05] <kamstrup> missing an "or" there :-)
[13:05] <pitti> kamstrup: bug 917210 could be the compiz part
[13:05] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 917210 in unity "compiz+unity3d generates > 50 wakeups a second on idle system" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/917210
[13:06] <desrt> hello peeps
[13:07] <kamstrup> pitti: I am actually on compiz trunk, which the fix should be in if I understand correctly... I am also seeing it from metacity...
[13:07] <kamstrup> maybe it's not out of the ordinary
[13:07] <kamstrup> just looks wrong for my uninitiated eyes
[13:07] <pitti> it certainly is
[13:07] <pitti> it shouldn't keep trying, but use select() properly
[13:08] <kamstrup> weird thing is that I am alos seeing it from metacity
[13:21] <dobey> pitti: the -proxy package is separate because it needs pyqt to work. it should be in main though.
[13:27] <pitti> dobey: thanks, seeded now; how is it getting installed, if not through dependencies?
[13:28] <dobey> pitti: right now, it will need to be manually installed by users who need proxy support
[13:29] <dobey> will likely add it to list of things to install in ubuntuone-installer, but didn't have time to do so for b2
[13:32] <kamstrup> pitti: apparently lots of EAGAIN are the norm... checked also metacity on UNE on an old Lucid box... go figure
[13:33] <mterry> seb128, you HATE the lock screen :)
[13:33] <seb128> mterry, indeed, hate hate hate!
[13:34] <seb128> ;-)
[13:34] <seb128> how did you guess? ;-)
[13:34]  * kenvandine enjoyed the day or two we had the unity greeter for the lock screen
[13:34] <seb128> it's a ugly grey square
[13:34] <seb128> it feels like win95
[13:34] <seb128> robert_ancell seems to hate it as well :p
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, context is bug #878836
[13:35] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 878836 in lightdm "Unity Greeter - Use Unity Greeter to fulfil lock screen as well as login functions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878836
[13:35] <seb128> robert_ancell got https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97835342/IMG_20120322_170218.jpg
[13:35] <seb128> with https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97835133/0001-Make-gnome-screensaver-look-like-Unity-Greeter.patch which is "not so complicated" patch
[13:35] <kenvandine> haha
[13:36] <seb128> I'm tempted to try to push it
[13:36] <seb128> the current screen is so .... URG
[13:36] <kenvandine> at least it looks nicer than what we have
[13:36] <seb128> or at least optional and maybe turn it on by .1 or something :p
[13:37] <kenvandine> is there a way we can choose to use the greeter for a lock screen ?
[13:37] <seb128> but I feel like mterry and pitti will ruin my day with reality check and "we are months after ff and uif" ;-)
[13:37] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[13:38] <seb128> kenvandine, not really, that doesn't work on non dkms drivers and we never solved the consolekit active session issues (i.e sound stopping on screen locking if you are in a call), nor make the greeter respect user settings for screen power on or suspend
[13:38] <seb128> i.e too many issues with the vt change and different user
[13:38]  * mterry is perfectly fine with this lock screen for the next 5 years of 12.04  :)
[13:38] <seb128> mterry, you never lock your screen I bet :p
[13:39] <kenvandine> mterry, 5 years of ugly gtk grey box?
[13:39]  * desrt smacks kenvandine for suggesting that gtk is ugly
[13:39] <mterry> I like function!
[13:39] <kenvandine> seb128, i meant if i know the limitations and still willing to use it... it would be cool if i could set that locally
[13:40] <kenvandine> desrt, i am really tired of that old gtk gray
[13:40] <desrt> i have to say... as a lot of the UI in gnome-shell world gets changed from these 'ugly grey boxes' to these shiny new things....
[13:40] <desrt> i miss the ugly grey rectangles
[13:40] <kenvandine> i'll never miss it
[13:40] <desrt> kenvandine: your particular brand of 'gtk grey' comes from cimi :)
[13:40] <seb128> desrt, I guess gnome-shell still has the grey rectangles in their lock screen as well :p
[13:41] <desrt> seb128: you know... i don't really know what is the story there
[13:41] <kenvandine> desrt, indeed...
[13:41] <desrt> seb128: supposedly gnome-shell was moving the lock screen into the WM
[13:41] <seb128> desrt, story as I read it yesterday on #gnome-hackers that plan is still on but for 3.6 now
[13:41] <desrt> gotcha
[13:41] <desrt> it makes sense
[13:41] <desrt> gnome-screensaver is stupid
[13:41] <desrt> but i'll miss the rectangles :)
[13:41] <seb128> ;-)
[13:42]  * desrt wonders if it's possible to get a 1990s theme for gnome-shell
[13:42] <seb128> desrt, kill g-s-d
[13:42] <seb128> you will get it :p
[13:42] <desrt> unfortunately that doesn't impact shell
[13:42] <desrt> its default theme is... well, it's default theme
[13:42] <desrt> which will probably happen for gtk next cycle as well, btw
[13:43] <desrt> they are about >< this close to having adwaita without a theme engine
[13:43] <seb128> well it's already the case on most distros
[13:43] <desrt> so then they just have to import the css into gtk itself
[13:43] <seb128> you just need to put adwaita in your settings.ini
[13:43] <desrt> and then we have the default theme as the default theme
[13:43] <seb128> as the fallback theme
[13:44] <seb128> it sucks when you have 2 themes then though
[13:44] <seb128> i.e if you provide a light theme
[13:44] <mdeslaur> seb128: that screensaver patch would be awesome
[13:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, ;-)
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, see!!!
[13:44] <desrt> to put numbers on it: '>< this close' is 244 lines of code (semicolons)
[13:45] <seb128> desrt, well, as long as they let you use a different .css I'm fine with that ;-)
[13:45] <mdeslaur> '>< this close' is only two "FIXME"s in the code :)
[13:45] <desrt> ya.  of course they do.
[13:45] <desrt> and in fact, they made that part easier
[13:45] <desrt> the changed the 'base' css to be empty
[13:45] <mdeslaur> gulp, including a multimonitor FIXME
[13:45] <desrt> gtk's "real" default theme is now... very interesting
[13:46] <seb128> though I still don't understand what is all this hype about dark themes
[13:46] <seb128> hate those
[13:46] <desrt> gnome and ubuntu have taken different roads there
[13:46] <desrt> gnome's approach is less bad than ubuntu's, but still annoying
[13:46] <seb128> desrt, differently bad but equaly I would say ;-)
[13:47] <desrt> the only place i see a dark theme variant being useful is in fullscreen
[13:47] <seb128> desrt, like GNOME put those variants for apps with content
[13:47] <desrt> so like the totem controls in fullscreen mode... or the boxes controls when the VM is fullscreen
[13:47] <seb128> i.e totem
[13:47] <seb128> or eog
[13:47] <desrt> yes.  i think that's really good
[13:47] <desrt> i wish apps would only use it in fullscreen, though
[13:47] <desrt> instead of just "this app will look different from the rest"
[13:47] <seb128> right
[13:47] <desrt> that's a very macos thing
[13:47] <desrt> and it's dumb
[13:50] <seb128> desrt, do you have any news about the hud icon stuff? we are beta2 frozen now but an upload today should still be ok if you get something
[13:51] <kenvandine> seb128, think i should update the telepathy packages that had releases last night?
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, if they are bug fix versions please do
[13:52] <kenvandine> they are
[13:52] <desrt> seb128: so the gnome designers just gave me a rather convincing story
[13:52] <kenvandine> i guess worse case they sit in the queue
[13:53] <desrt> seb128: the dark theme variant is used for applications that deal with visual media -- eog, totem, etc.
[13:53] <desrt> apparently there is a lot of science that says that images/video should always be viewed with dark chrome around
[13:53] <desrt> because lighter chrome distorts perception
[13:56] <seb128> desrt, right, I read about that, I'm just not convinced by how it's done in GNOME
[13:56] <seb128> desrt, like shotwell did it before and it a nicer visual way in my opinion
[13:57] <desrt> seb128: i'm of a mixed mind
[13:57] <desrt> (just installed and opened shotwell for the first time in a long time)
[13:58] <desrt> i appreciate how the shotwell chrome better matches the rest of the apps
[13:58] <desrt> but i find the transition between the dark field and the controls immediately adjacent to be a bit jarring
[14:01] <seb128> desrt, well it's a taste stuff, I hate dark colors with passion
[14:02] <seb128> desrt, i.e I would take a dark as a color choice for a device I buy either
[14:02] <seb128> wouldn't
[14:02] <seb128> like my phone, ipod, etc are colored or white
[14:02] <seb128> desrt, and GNOME is pushing is far enough so I can't stand the look
[14:03] <seb128> but yeah, if you have no opinion on color I guess it's ok ;-)
[14:03] <desrt> seb128: ah.  i guess i disagree there.
[14:03] <desrt> most things i own are black
[14:03] <desrt> it's a lot easier to find black usually...
[14:04] <desrt> seb128: pippin raises an interesting question on the channel, though -- would you buy a white TV?
[14:04] <pitti> well, for reading lots of text, it's really not a matter of opinion
[14:05] <desrt> right... there are two things that seem to be at odds with each other
[14:05] <pitti> as desrt says, you want a black bg for videos/images, and black text on bright background for text
[14:05] <pitti> (terminals, browsers, etc)
[14:05] <desrt> black text on white seems to be a better choice (although it'll be a cold day in hell before i switch my terminals from white on black)
[14:05] <desrt> and image content against black seems the better choice
[14:05] <desrt> damned human eyes
[14:05] <pitti> yes, it is; it's not a coincidence that books are being printed that way for centuries :)
[14:06] <desrt> pitti: i think books are printed that way because it's difficult to imagine as simple of a process to do the inverse ;)
[14:06] <pitti> desrt: I tried white on black on terminals for a while, but it's horrible
[14:06] <seb128> pitti, no I don't
[14:06] <seb128> pitti, shotwell as a subtle grey which I find much better than dark
[14:06] <desrt> pitti: i use 4 different colours of terminal :)
[14:06] <pitti> especially on a laptop with a less powerful tft, you get very bad contrast
[14:06] <desrt> all of them use not-quite-white (#eeeeee or so) for the foreground
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: well, "dark enough"
[14:07] <desrt> and the backgrounds are black, red, green and blue
[14:07] <desrt> (obviously rather darkened shades of each of those)
[14:07] <Chipaca> hi all. dist-upgrade of precise wants to remove unity. I'm assuming this is not a new new world order, and am delaying :)
[14:07] <desrt> Chipaca: apt-get upgrade first
[14:07] <desrt> Chipaca: then apt-get dist-upgrade and only proceed if it makes sense :)
[14:08] <desrt> usually issues like this get sorted within a few hours
[14:08] <Chipaca> yarp
[14:08] <seb128> desrt, I've been told to not recommend "upgrade first"
[14:08] <Chipaca> which is why i'm delaying
[14:08] <desrt> really?
[14:08] <seb128> you miss new Recommends this way
[14:08] <desrt> ah.  tricky.
[14:08] <seb128> upgrade doesn't pull new recommends
[14:08] <desrt> so here's a question
[14:08] <seb128> and nothing else will store them
[14:08] <pitti> oh $deity, new unity fixes 61 bugs -- didrocks, you'll break the 500 mark
[14:08] <desrt> is there a way to apt-get install --reinstall --also-install-recommends-this-time some-package?
[14:09] <pitti> (soon enough)
[14:09]  * Chipaca stays with his "dist-upgrade if sane, otherwise delay" strategy of win
[14:09] <desrt> without requiring the package to be in apt....
[14:09] <desrt> ie: if i manually installed some .deb file and now i want to pull the recommends of that deb as well
[14:09] <pitti> there used to be some --fix-policy option
[14:09] <pitti> mvo: ^
[14:10] <pitti> kenvandine: hey, good morning
[14:10] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[14:11] <pitti> kenvandine: turning http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/precise_probs.html back to beer is in your hands :)
[14:11] <kenvandine> ugh... again?
[14:12] <pitti> kenvandine: I took the liberty to give you bug 956041
[14:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 956041 in telepathy-qt4 "Unmet dependency due to farsight being renamed to farstream" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956041
[14:12] <pitti> kenvandine: is that just a simple rename, or did the API change, too?
[14:13] <kenvandine> did they add a new depends or something?
[14:13] <kenvandine> it was also a soname bump
[14:13] <kenvandine> not sure if it was an API break
[14:13] <kenvandine> i don't thinks o
[14:13] <pitti> kenvandine: no, I suppose gst-farsight just went away
[14:13] <kenvandine> but i can find out
[14:13] <didrocks> pitti: you will never catch me! :)
[14:13] <pitti> kenvandine: libtelepathy-farsight0 itself is uninstallable
[14:13] <pitti> kenvandine: and I figure we want to eliminate farsight from precise completly?
[14:13] <kenvandine> right
[14:14] <pitti> kenvandine: the only reverse depenency is telepathy-qt, and that metapackage (but that's trivial)
[14:14]  * kenvandine looks at telepathy-qt4
[14:17] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks
[14:18] <dobey> hrmm
[14:19] <dobey> lots of ubuntu package imports seem to be failing with PristineTarError for gnome things now, after the switch to .xz
[14:20] <seb128> good that we don't use udd :p
[14:20] <dobey> :(
[14:20] <dobey> you just break it :P
[14:24] <seb128> the UDD guys don't need me, their stuff break by itself ;-)
[14:26] <Adri2000> just out of curiosity, on a precise unity desktop, how is the clock kept synchronized given that ntp isn't installed?
[14:26] <ogra_> ntpdate is installed
[14:27] <ogra_> and called on ifup
[14:27] <Adri2000> ifup, ok. thanks :)
[14:28] <ogra_> see /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate
[14:28] <Adri2000> right
[14:32] <pitti> meh, unity-2d doesn't hide the launcher
[14:32] <pitti> even when telling it to
[14:32] <pitti> gnome-shell's workspaces are broken/different
[14:32] <pitti> plz give me any non-unity session which works...
[14:32] <seb128> pitti, gnome classic?
[14:32] <pitti> ah, perhaps that one
[14:32] <ogra_> lubuntu ftw !
[14:33] <pitti> I now set the laucnher to always show, so that at least the windows aren't underneath it
[14:33] <seb128> pitti, is that for bug testing or got fed up with unity?
[14:33] <pitti> seb128: I found a reproducer for bug 916892
[14:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 916892 in unity-distro-priority "gnome-disk-utility crashed with SIGSEGV in gdu_device_get_object_path()" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/916892
[14:33] <seb128> oh, good
[14:33] <pitti> seb128: but I can't properly debug this when compiz keeps crashing underneath me :0
[14:40] <pitti> desrt: dear lazyweb, how do you move between different workspaces in shell, and move windows there?
[14:40] <desrt> pitti: alt+ctrl+up/down
[14:40] <pitti> that's what I tried
[14:40] <desrt> pitti: to move windows, hold shift at the same time
[14:40] <pitti> that's how it used to work in metacity, compiz, etc.
[14:40] <pitti> but maybe I have some messed up settings
[14:41] <desrt> pitti: perhaps you've been negatively impacted by the new keybindings changes in precise?
[14:41] <desrt> i think there's something involving the windows key on unity now
[14:41] <desrt> could have made its way into your gnome-shell config...
[14:41] <pitti> desrt: if it was, I changed that back
[14:41] <pitti> windows+shift+something else is impossible on my keyboard to do without breaking my hand
[14:43] <desrt> :)
[14:43] <desrt> so now you blame the designers for an obvious deficiency in the design of humans?
[14:44] <desrt> time to upgrade your biology, clearly :p
[14:44] <pitti> /msg desrt got a site for wetwarez?
[14:44] <desrt> i'm not sure i'd like to upgrade my biology with random downloaded shit :)
[14:45] <pitti> I'm sure if that were possible, there would be a scary number of people who would
[14:47] <desrt> ya
[14:47] <desrt> we're horrified by what the 'kids these days' are willing to put on facebook
[14:47] <desrt> we don't yet know the half of it :)
[14:52] <htorque> dbarth: hi! bug 908564 → the bubble is not supposed to go away after a while when hovered by the pointer?
[14:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 908564 in notify-osd "Notification bubbles not disappearing when hovered by mouse pointer" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908564
[14:59] <didrocks> ok, rebooting to -2d and that should be it for the unity release!
[15:11] <didrocks> pitti: what's up? ;)
[15:13] <didrocks> I bet there was a joke about "he's not back, he's not back, -2d is broken!"
[15:13] <didrocks> or a "famous last words…" :p
[15:14] <pitti> I was just happy to see you back, yes :) (non-broken 2d)
[15:15] <pitti> didrocks: btw, I pretty much understand the gdu crash now
[15:15] <didrocks> oh? ;)
[15:16] <didrocks> pitti: well, I just rebuild and retest for my conscious, as we did that with the autobuilt package for the week. But still, I prefer to know exactly how behaves what I upload (as the source is the tarball I reproduce and not just the vcs ):)
[15:16] <pitti> nice race condition
[15:19] <G__81> i am interested to contribute to Ubuntu specifically in development. Where do i start from
[15:19] <didrocks> oh, intereting :)
[15:19] <didrocks> race condition in gdu
[15:20] <G__81> when i say Development i mean bug fixing too
[15:21] <pitti> didrocks: why do you need to change revert_git_keyboard_gsettings.patch ?
[15:21] <pitti> didrocks: did you put the new patch before that revert?
[15:21] <didrocks> pitti: right, I put it before (the patch is rather at the end of the stack)
[15:21] <didrocks> pitti: it's just a quilt refresh basically
[15:21] <didrocks> pitti: oh maybe you know that…
[15:22] <didrocks> pitti: most of the time
[15:22] <didrocks> quilt push -a
[15:22] <didrocks> works
[15:22] <didrocks> but bzr bd fails in applying quilt patches
[15:22] <pitti> yay more .ui patches :0
[15:22] <pitti> right, fuzz
[15:22] <didrocks> pitti: I knew you would love that ;)
[15:22] <pitti> dpkg doesn't accept any fuzz
[15:22] <pitti> quilt itself tolerates it
[15:22] <didrocks> ah ok, it's dpkg, not the way quilt is called
[15:22] <pitti> so if quit push says "fuzz 1" or so anywhere, you need to refresh
[15:23] <didrocks> ok ;)
[15:23] <pitti> s/quit/quilt/
[15:23] <didrocks> pitti: at least, the .ui changes are contained (and done by hand)
[15:23] <G__81> sorry i guess i am @ the wrong channel
[15:23] <didrocks> G__81: oh sorry
[15:23] <G__81> sorry for the noise
[15:24] <didrocks> G__81: no, no worry
[15:24] <didrocks> G__81: dholbach is the guy in charge of helping you :)
[15:24] <didrocks> G__81: do you know a little bit about packaging?
[15:24] <G__81> didrocks, yes i know packaging in fedora as i have been a fedora developer :)
[15:24] <G__81> ;-)
[15:25] <didrocks> ah ok ;) so you are already aware about the distro concepts, let me point you to the debian/ubuntu packaging guide
[15:25] <seb128> G__81, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved might be a good start
[15:25] <G__81> didrocks, yeah i have been contributing to few up-stream projects too and those are used by Ubuntu as well :)
[15:25] <G__81> i have few questions though so that you guys could help me out
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: indeed, pkexec <gui app> requires an accompanying .policy file which allows keeping $DISPLAY
[15:26] <didrocks> G__81: use the link seb128 pointed :)
[15:26] <didrocks> G__81: you can still ask your questions of course
[15:26] <seb128> G__81, if you have question feel free to ask them ;-)
[15:26] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, thanks for the explanation, well that patch was added recently when syncing with Debian, we don't need it for admin users so I just dropped it
[15:27] <pitti> seb128: "adm", yes
[15:27] <G__81> i read an article somewhere where it said how to fix a bug in Ubuntu. The article said, take the bug, get the source using bzr and then fix the bug and push that into bzr. Is that how it works ? My question here is when it said fix the code, does it mean the actual source or the spec file ?
[15:27] <G__81> or put the other way In Ubuntu do you guys actually work on the actual sources too or is it only packaging ?
[15:27] <seb128> G__81, we do both
[15:28] <seb128> we fix upstream bugs and do packaging (new versions updates, etc)
[15:28] <seb128> G__81, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix maybe?
[15:28] <G__81> seb128, so lets say there is some bug in gedit, you get the source and you fix it and push it using some bzr stuff ?
[15:28] <pitti> G__81: actually, it's not sufficient to just fix it in our bzr branches, you also have to report and send it upstream
[15:29] <G__81> pitti, yeah makes sense
[15:29] <G__81> :)
[15:29] <seb128> G__81, it's a bit more complexe, it should be, desktop package use a special workflow, you can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr is should not be too long and have details
[15:30] <seb128> G__81, but basically for i.e gedit you would do
[15:30] <seb128> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu
[15:30] <G__81> now the second question is I have a Ubuntu 11.10 64 bit and can i use that and get the packages and fix it right, you guys dont mandate that its got to be 12.04 beta right ?
[15:31] <seb128> G__81, you can fix bugs in old versions, but usually it's better to work on the current version to ensure the bug is fixed at the propose place and that you don't dup work
[15:31] <seb128> somebody might have already fixed the bug you look at in 12.04 beta
[15:31] <G__81> seb128, infact to be frank i dont have Ubuntu yet installed :) so my plan is to install 11.10 in my system
[15:31] <seb128> you are welcome to backport fixes and propose a stable update if you think the fix is worth backporting though
[15:32] <seb128> G__81, ok, 12.04 beta2 is due next week maybe give it a try? it's a lts cycle and beta2 should be pretty stable
[15:32] <G__81> I have been a fedora user since its inception. Its started crashing and i dont have the patience to reinstall it and get yum updates..
[15:33] <seb128> 11.10 should be a safe bet so yeah, go for that ;-)
[15:33] <seb128> you can always update to 12.04 in a month if you want
[15:34] <G__81> seb128, hmmm...... so is it mandatory for a person to contribute in Ubuntu to have the beta or the RCs to be running ?
[15:34] <seb128> G__81, no
[15:34] <seb128> it just makes things easier
[15:34] <seb128> i.e your patch made on 11.10 might not apply to the current version
[15:34] <seb128> the code might have changed etc
[15:35] <seb128> G__81, quite some people work on git though
[15:35] <seb128> like they would get gedit from upstream git
[15:35] <seb128> fix the bug
[15:35] <G__81> ok seb128 cool. So if someone can help me to fix the first bug in terms of the process so that i get a feel of the process, it would be very helpful
[15:35] <seb128> then submit a patch to ubuntu with the fix
[15:36] <G__81> so you all use jhbuild or is there a PPA for eg:if i have to contribute to some gnome package ?
[15:36] <seb128> G__81, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1201/FixingDesktopBugs
[15:36] <desrt> seb128: icon fix is merge-proposed
[15:37] <seb128> G__81, that's an IRC tutorial I gave where I explained how to backport a GNOME git commit to a package
[15:37] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[15:37] <G__81> oh ok seb128 thats cool
[15:39] <G__81> seb128, cool i guess this process you mentioned there is lot simpler than jhbuild stuff. Is my understanding right ?
[15:39] <seb128> G__81, it should be simple enough yes
[15:40] <G__81> seb128, cool so i would first install Ubuntu and then log in back here
[15:40] <G__81> seb128, in the LP, is there a Ubuntu Desktop team and can i add myself there ?
[15:41] <seb128> G__81, you can subscribe to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop which is our list ... the launchpad team gives upload rights so it's not open, you need to do some work and go through sponsoring before being added
[15:41] <G__81> oh i thought that once i get added to that team, i get subscribed to the email
[15:42] <G__81> oh i didnt know the team there is for different purpose
[15:46] <G__81> seb128, thanks for your time. I am off to start my install. Lets see how it goes and hopefully i should be back here :)
[15:47] <seb128> G__81, ok, good luck, and don't worry if it's quiet over the w.e here
[15:47] <G__81> ok sure seb128 thanks
[15:47] <seb128> G__81, there are quite some people working on Ubuntu full time during the week here and not around on the weekends
[15:48] <G__81> seb128, oh ok
[15:48] <G__81> i understand
[15:48] <seb128> well you will probably still find people around
[15:48] <seb128> but it's less busy than during the week ;-)
[15:49] <G__81> seb128, i am sure my questions would be answered by every single guy here @ least for the next few weeks as i am new bie :)
[15:49] <seb128> ;-)
[15:50] <G__81> ok thanks seb128 for your time.
[15:50] <seb128> you're welcome!
[15:50] <G__81> i would fix one bug and then subscribe myself to the ML ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> desrt, your icon support works great!
[15:51] <desrt> :D
[15:51] <desrt> which is to say, "it works"
[15:51] <desrt> :)
[15:51] <seb128> yeah, I wouldn't expect less from you ;-)
[15:52] <desrt> except before when... it didn't work
[15:52] <seb128> you wouldn't disappoint me twice :p
[15:52] <desrt> gonna sneak it in before the freeze?
[15:52] <seb128> no, freeze was yesterday at 21utc
[15:52] <desrt> oh
[15:52] <seb128> I'm going to sneak it in now
[15:52] <desrt> oh well
[15:52] <desrt> oh.  i see :)
[15:52] <seb128> and get pitti to ack it
[15:53] <seb128> stuff still go in until monday they just need to be reviewed
[15:53]  * desrt is quite fond of this rare period of time when he only has 5 hours different to europe
[15:53] <desrt> i get one more hour of pitti in my days :)
[15:53] <seb128> ;-)
[15:53] <seb128> don't get used to it
[15:53] <pitti> lol
[15:53] <seb128> we change time this .we
[15:53] <desrt> damn
[16:02] <mvo> pitti: there is still apt-get install --fix-policy , no?
[16:02] <mvo> (sorry for the late reply)
[16:02] <pitti> mvo: right, I just wans't sure what the exact incantation was
[16:02] <pitti> thanks!
[16:04] <soren> mvo: --fix-policy? What does that do=
[16:04] <soren> ?
[16:07] <seb128> pitti, I just uploaded an indicator-appmenu update which brings back icons updates to the hud, you could call it a feature but it's little code and it fixes a regression in the refactoring which happened after beta1, I would appreciate if you could ack it
[16:08] <seb128> on that I'm out for some exercice, will be back in ~1hour deal with end of week email and backlog then be off
[16:18] <mvo> soren: it installs all the missing recommends (or if you include --install-suggest all of those as well)
[16:31] <dpm> pitti, I've been checking on the progress of the precise full langpack. It seems you or someone else marked it as active on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+language-packs already. Just a quick heads up that it seemed to take about 8h instead of the usual 22h, so I'd be a bit wary as to whether the export went well
[16:32] <pitti> dpm: yes, I was quite surprised that it was so fast; but it seemed complete
[16:32] <pitti> in fact, it had a lot more stuff than the previous ones
[16:32] <pitti> such as adding gcc-4.4
[16:32] <pitti> dpm: I uploaded the new langpacks already
[16:33] <dpm> pitti, ah, that's cool. Do you have the logs of the build still on the langpacks server? They are often useful to spot problems in templates in LP
[16:34] <pitti> dpm: yes, precise.log
[16:34] <dpm> pitti, great, I'll have a look
[16:36] <dpm> hey all, could someone have a look at bug/855144
[16:37] <dpm> argh, bug 855144
[16:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 855144 in colord "Localizations are not shipped" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855144
[16:37] <dpm> it's just a matter of creating the pot file on build, either with dh_translations or with a call to intltool -p
[16:49] <soren> mvo: Oh, neat.
[16:54] <mvo> soren: yeah, if you add -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true it also tells you what pulls in what
[17:25] <pitti> good night everyone
[17:27] <mpt> Wot, 2012 and launchpad-integration is still shipping by default?
[17:28] <seb128> mpt, why not?
[17:28] <seb128> mpt, we would all love to drop that, it's most of the diff we have over Debian for GNOME
[17:29] <seb128> mpt, if you don't like it please bring up dropping it at UDS ;-)
[17:30] <mpt> seb128, because it clutters up the Help menu of many applications, 1/3 of it is obsolete with Ask Ubuntu, and the other 2/3 assumes that someone opening the Help menu is a geek :-)
[17:30] <seb128> mpt, translations are for geeks?
[17:30] <mpt> seb128, is there a Default Apps blueprint yet?
[17:30] <GridCube> good evening, while doing todays beta2  test on xubuntu installed in spanish, i noticed that the progam onboard would not launch, after reporting the bug on launchpad (#963216), it was pointed as a dupe of (#958385), wich says the problem is fixed "in trunk", what should be done to fix the problem on xubuntu b2?
[17:30] <mpt> seb128, translations aren't, but translating software is
[17:31] <seb128> mpt, we will not do "default apps" again, that was a disaster we said we should better stop :p
[17:31] <seb128> mpt, we will turn that to "call for specific topics and discuss those"
[17:31] <mpt> seb128, so in what context would it be discussed at UDS? It would take about 5 minutes
[17:31] <mpt> (I hope:-)
[17:31] <seb128> mpt, everybody was coming with all the reasons why they hate $apps before
[17:32] <seb128> mpt, I will make room for it in a session and invite you, maybe one on lowering diff with Debian and upstream, or better handling our diffs
[17:32] <mpt> seb128, good idea, thanks
[17:32] <seb128> yw
[17:32] <seb128> mpt, lpi -> we drop the "report a bug" at release time
[17:32] <seb128> i.e we just have those for unstable cycles
[17:32] <seb128> mpt, so we keep translations and get help
[17:35] <desrt> interesting question
[17:35] <desrt> if i 'apt-get source linux' it says
[17:35] <desrt> Picking 'linux-meta' as source package instead of 'linux'
[17:35] <desrt> so i have to say apt-get source linux-image-3.2.0-19-generic in order for it to say:
[17:35] <desrt> Picking 'linux' as source package instead of 'linux-image-3.2.0-19-generic'
[17:35] <desrt> ...which is what i asked for in the first place
[17:49] <caB00T> Just wanna publicly express my enthusiasm ab swtiching to Linux slowly,
[17:49] <caB00T> Those virtual desktops for example, the thing I never knew I needed so bad... :>
[17:55] <seb128> caB00T, thanks, good to have nice feedback ;-)
[17:57] <seb128> lol @https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/40872/comments/97
[17:57] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 40872 in nautilus "Desktop icons are allowed to overlap" [Low,Confirmed]
[17:57] <desrt> BOYCOTT NAUTILUS!
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, he posted the same comment on the gnome bug too
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> i just saw that on twitter
[17:58] <desrt> i wonder what olav will do to him :p
[17:58] <seb128> I was wondering putting a CoC comment
[17:58] <seb128> but it's friday and I can't be bothered ;-)
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, you should think of a funny response instead. did you see the responses on the gnome bug?
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> they've turned it in to a bit of a joke ;)
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313563#c27
[17:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no, let me look
[17:59] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 313563 in Desktop "Icons can be on top of each other." [Minor,New]
[18:00] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:00] <seb128> lol
[18:02] <caB00T> I installed 11.10 and put Gnome onto a VirtualBox.
[18:02] <caB00T> I can't seem to find drivers for my monitor (lap top, wide screen), it's an ATI Radeon, I hear there are problems with those?
[18:02] <caB00T> So does problems = impossible or just a pain in the ass?
[18:02] <caB00T> :)
[18:04] <seb128> caB00T, the ati open source driver should work and you can install the fglrx ati binary driver
[18:04] <seb128> though dunno about "in virtualbox"
[18:04] <caB00T> Prolly the same, I'll try.
[18:04] <caB00T> :)
[18:05] <caB00T> And one more question,
[18:05] <caB00T> What are those "online accounts" etc when I click on my username in the top corner?
[18:06] <seb128> way to configure your online account
[18:06] <seb128> like a google account
[18:06] <seb128> so the im client get your gtalk configured
[18:06] <caB00T> im = instant massanger?
[18:06] <seb128> or the email client your gmail configured (if you use evolution, thunderbird doesn't support that feature)
[18:06] <seb128> yes
[18:07] <caB00T> So the idea is all Ubuntu users can communicate?
[18:07] <caB00T> Interesting stuff... :)
[18:07] <seb128> yeah
[18:07] <seb128> well it's not ubuntu specific, internet is somewhat about communication ;-)
[18:07] <caB00T> Well ofc, but you don't see it on any Windows... :)
[18:07] <seb128> you can communicate via other OSes, phones, tablets, etc as well
[18:29] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, congrats on the Unity release
[18:30] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: thanks! Congrats to the whole dx team as well :)
[18:31]  * didrocks is busy copying from -proposed to the release archive now
[18:31] <bcurtiswx> absolutely!
[18:31] <dobey> anyone know a good way to loop over everything in a GtkTreeModel with GI+python?
[18:36] <caB00T> I went Synaptic Package Manager -> Typed in "gnome-device-manager" And then got gpe-appmanager, I mark it for install, it gives me the menu with some things and a "mark" button, I click on it, and get: "gpe-appmanager: Depends: gpe-confg but it won't be installed. Any ideas?
[18:41] <seb128> caB00T, dunno but that doesn't seem like a package used or maintained you should probably not install it
[18:41] <seb128>  
[18:41] <seb128> ok, stupid gtk question
[18:42] <seb128> how do I set a width limit to a dialog so long labels ellipsize rather than resizing the dialog?
[18:43] <caB00T> I am trying to install the gnome-device-manager, I am following a book.
[18:43] <caB00T> :\
[18:45] <GridCube> sorry for repeating myself but:  while doing todays beta2  test on xubuntu installed in spanish, i noticed that the progam onboard would not launch, after reporting the bug on launchpad (#963216), it was pointed as a dupe of (#958385), wich says the problem is fixed "in trunk", what should be done to fix the problem on xubuntu b2?
[18:47] <seb128> bug #958385
[18:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 958385 in onboard "Encoding mismatch when mousetweaks is missing" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958385
[18:47] <seb128> micahg, ^
[18:48] <micahg> seb128: umm, did you mean that for me?
[18:48] <micahg> ah, right, xubuntu :)
[18:48] <seb128> micahg, I somewhat though you were the closest from xubuntu there
[18:48] <seb128> but feel free to ignore that ;-)
[18:49] <micahg> seb128: sorry, I was thinking back to our mousetweaks discussion 8 hours ago :)
[18:50] <astraljava> seb128: onboard is in ubuntu-desktop task, too, so I'm not sure it's Xubuntu-specific. Is it?
[18:50] <micahg> seb128: well, I don't think we want mousetweaks in xubuntu as it pulls in g-c-c
[18:50] <seb128> astraljava, because ubuntu install moustweaks
[18:51] <micahg> plus as astraljava said we don't even have onboard which is weird
[18:51] <seb128> micahg, xubuntu has no onscreen keyboard?
[18:51] <micahg> oh, wait, we do have onboard
[18:53] <astraljava> seb128: Oh, I see.
[18:53] <micahg> seb128: could we go for an onboard bug fix upload during the freeze?
[18:53] <seb128> micahg, you probably can
[18:53] <caB00T> Ok so I found out that the gnome-device-manager is discontinued, any equivalent you guys reccomend?
[18:53] <micahg> seb128: thanks
[18:53] <seb128> yw
[18:53] <seb128> caB00T, what do you need?
[18:54] <seb128> dinner time, bbl
[18:54] <caB00T> I am swapping from Windows and using a book to help me,
[18:54] <caB00T> There is suppose to be a device manager equivalent called gnome-device-manger but it's discontinued - the book is not exactly brand new, from 2009 I think.
[18:55] <caB00T> So if anyone can reccomned something would be  great?
[18:56] <bcurtiswx> caB00T, there is a channel devoted to support, and I would imagine they can help you better than people in here would. join #ubuntu
[18:56] <caB00T> Oh, this is not a support channel? Sorry. :\
[19:02] <mterry> desrt, how do gvfs daemons receive secrets like user passwords?  I assume not over dbus directly
[19:18] <didrocks> ok, will check in an hour that everything is published and upgrade
[19:19] <didrocks> for now, dinner time :)
[19:19] <didrocks> have a good week-end everyone!
[19:37] <Saviq> hey, anyone else experiencing firefox being a pain (like 5s stalled) when switching from other apps to firefox?
[19:42] <dobey> Saviq: i've noticed disk i/o being a pain. only time i've had temporary ui hangs like that
[19:42] <Saviq> dobey, SSD here..., nothing else shows such behavior
[19:44] <Saviq> firefox just hogs the cpu for some seconds and then goes back to normal
[19:44] <Saviq> private browsing is affected, so I'd assume nothing in my profile - maybe some plugin
[19:44] <dobey> Saviq: does it always happen, or only when say xapian-update-index or whatever, is running, or when installing lots of packages during dist-upgrade, or while send/recv is running in evolution or thunderbird?
[19:44] <Saviq> dobey, every time
[19:44] <Saviq> will try with a guest account
[19:46] <Saviq> hmm guest account unaffected
[19:51] <bcurtiswx> have a good weekend everyone
[19:55] <cyphermox> is someone looking into the vte bug or am I the volunteer for it? :)
[19:56] <cyphermox> mterry: ^ just curious if you're still on libvte, there's an issue with finding the termcap file
[19:56] <mterry> cyphermox, heyo
[19:57] <cyphermox> mterry: hey ;) how are you ? :D
[19:57] <mterry> cyphermox, I haven't done much on libvte recently, no.  But I could lend a hand if it would help
[19:57] <micahg> a reboot fixed it for me
[19:57] <cyphermox> ah, maybe that's all I need
[19:57] <micahg> I don't think it's nice,but it's still beta :)
[19:58] <cyphermox> mterry: I was only asking because you seem to be the last one who touched vte, maybe I misread
[19:58] <mterry> cyphermox, probably was  :)
[19:58] <micahg> would probably be good to fix for final as killing the terminal interaction in the running session isn't very friendly
[19:58] <cyphermox> micahg: I was able to work around it by symlinking its -0.0 directory to -2.90
[19:59] <cyphermox> I'll try rebooting, in case that's good enough here too
[20:18] <cyphermox> micahg: indeed, not seen after a reboot; but I'm sure that would affect the upgrade until the system is rebooted, that's definitely suboptimal
[20:18] <micahg> cyphermox: right
[20:20] <cyphermox> no idea how to correctly fix this though :)
[20:51] <kklimonda> hmm, is there a bug that lightdm doesn't provide any way to configure network before logging in?
[20:57] <cyphermox> kklimonda: not per se. what do you want to configure exactly, I may be able to offer solutions
[20:58] <cyphermox> it was discussed as a blueprint though
[20:58] <kklimonda> cyphermox: users in LDAP, authentication with kerberos, $HOME on the NFS share :)
[20:58] <kklimonda> and laptop with wifi
[20:58] <cyphermox> kklimonda: right, that's the use case we wanted to cover.
[20:59] <cyphermox> kklimonda: if you're connected over wired then it should basically magically work if it's with DHCP
[20:59] <kklimonda> cyphermox: yes it does
[20:59] <cyphermox> but you'll still also need wifi and such
[20:59] <cyphermox> after the first login if wifi is setup then if that's all there is available it also *should* work
[21:00] <cyphermox> but it doesn't cover the first login with just wifi
[21:00] <kklimonda> yeah, it's unfortunate :)
[21:00] <cyphermox> kklimonda: yeah, but not overly difficult to fix; if you don't care too much about hiding parts of the menu
[21:01] <cyphermox> kklimonda: I assume you maybe are interested in preseeded setups?
[21:01] <cyphermox> basically, "all" that is missing is that nm-applet should get started in the lightdm session; and it isn't right now
[21:01] <kklimonda> cyphermox: ah, it's that simple? interesting
[21:02] <cyphermox> I do think it's just that
[21:03] <kklimonda> interesting, I'll give it a try
[21:03] <cyphermox> but then you'll have the whole menu from nm-applet, and it will be running as lightdm so there may be missing permissions to create system-wide connections
[21:05] <cyphermox> kklimonda: let me know how it goes, and/or file bugs and I'll see if we can get them fixed before release.
[21:05] <kklimonda> I wonder whether the network connection configured before login is going to stay alive during and after login
[21:06] <Saviq> dobey, found the offender, btw - it's the globalmenu integration, I'd assume HUD is digging through all the menus every time Firefox is activated
[21:07] <Saviq> I'd say bookmarks are killing it
[21:08] <cyphermox> kklimonda: supposed to if it's system-wide
[21:08] <desrt> Saviq: hm?
[21:08] <Saviq> desrt, every time I activate Firefox, CPU spikes and the browser is stuck for several seconds
[21:09] <Saviq> disabling the globalmenu integration helps
[21:09] <desrt> even without opening the hud?
[21:10] <Saviq> yes
[21:10] <desrt> it's true that there is a recent change to aggressively mine the firefox menus in the hud
[21:10] <desrt> but it should only happening when doing a hud search
[21:10] <Saviq> desrt, if I kill hud-service
[21:10] <Saviq> it goes away again
[21:11] <desrt> and you can freely open/close firefox with no problems?
[21:11] <Saviq> desrt, no updates in queue for me
[21:11] <Saviq> desrt, yes, it just stalls for several seconds
[21:11] <Saviq> then works fine until I go away again
[21:11] <desrt> tricky.
[21:12] <desrt> i wonder if somehow the use count is leaking....
[21:12] <Saviq> desrt, doesn't happen on guest account
[21:12] <Saviq> desrt, so my assumption would be bookmarks
[21:12] <Saviq> I have some - not a huge amount, though
[21:12] <Saviq> should probably drop them anyway... not using them at all
[21:12] <desrt> there is a bug to optimise this situation
[21:12] <desrt> but it shouldn't happen at all when you open firefox for the first time
[21:13] <desrt> so hud-service was running... this presumably means that you did some searching using the hud at some point
[21:13] <Saviq> yeah sure it was a long running session
[21:13] <Saviq> and hud is giving tons of results btw
[21:13] <desrt> so hud internally maintains a usecount
[21:14] <desrt> it should be zero when no searches are active
[21:14] <jbicha> cyphermox: if nm-applet was running in the greeter, we'd want to hide "Edit Connections", right since it has all of the network passwords easily accessible there?
[21:14] <desrt> i wonder if for some reason it's failing to go back to zero for you
[21:15] <Saviq> desrt, let me reboot, some updates went in some time ago, didn't reboot since then
[21:15] <desrt> Saviq: killall hud-service would be enough...
[21:15] <desrt> when it spawns again it would be the new one
[21:15] <Saviq> desrt, yeah but I've a new kernel in store etc.
[21:15] <desrt> doubt it would matter
[21:15] <desrt> but doesn't hurt
[21:15] <Saviq> me too
[21:15]  * desrt has to run off for a bit
[21:16] <desrt> i'll take a peek later and see if i can reproduce what you're seeing
[21:16] <desrt> ciao
[21:19] <Saviq> desrt, just to follow up, new session, hud-service is already there (unity-2d here, probably invoking hud-service over DBus)
[21:19] <Saviq> and issue still here
[21:21] <kklimonda> ah, I'm seeing firefox and hud-service spinning out of control with unity-2d
[21:21] <kklimonda> but not with unity 3d
[21:21] <kklimonda> I wonder if it's related
[23:54] <cyphermox> jbicha: yeah, that's why i meant the permissions may be a little annoying there
[23:55] <cyphermox> but it's getting late to do this, and in fact you might want to be able to create a wifi network from lightdm, if it's a first boot (despite it being much of an edge case)
[23:56] <jbicha> creating a wifi network should be fine, it's viewing existing networks with their passwords that rubs me wrong
[23:57] <cyphermox> jbicha: you don't necessarily can
[23:57] <cyphermox> that's the trick, lightdm permissions will be screwed when it's started in that session