[01:34] StepNjump, txwikinger: ping? I need someone from the project. [01:36] none of the people who were originally involved are here anymore :( [01:37] we'd be starting from where we left off on the wiki and ubuntu-owl.org [01:37] I'd like to revive the team, as materials can be used for actual school classez [01:37] classes* [01:39] so on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning you'd want to look under "Materials" [01:39] er "Course Material Writing" [01:39] click on the icon with the hat :) [01:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Materials [01:42] Ok :) [01:45] http://doctormo.org/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/ is an example of a class that doctormo wrote [01:46] akgraner was also trying to work on some stuff, let me see if she updated the google doc [01:46] that's great [01:47] maybe I can catch her and talk about it [01:47] ah, she didn't end up updating the doc [01:47] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gNbpaBTkH2YHfLh2BW9ek30up6TrnANzWjCcRuvYR40/edit [01:48] it's a decent outline for some teaching she wanted to do though [01:48] hmm, yes [01:48] that can be used as a basic scheme to work on [01:49] btw, this would be considered as official documentation? [01:56] the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself [01:56] even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial" [01:56] but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes [01:59] sorry Lyz, could you please paste what you said before? My window closed :( [02:03] 18:56:00 < pleia2> the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself [02:03] 18:56:11 < pleia2> even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial" [02:03] 18:56:57 < pleia2> but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes [02:07] yep [02:07] I think it's a good idea [02:07] from my side, count me in [02:09] :) [02:09] I'll try to help as much as I can [02:09] so we tried to write what we want from a basic course layout: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout [02:10] but that's subject to change and discussion [02:10] I see [02:10] screenshots should be also attached when possible [02:11] to make this easier [02:11] yeah, those are under "Other Resources' [02:11] (unless they are embedded in the document, which is ok) [02:12] having a step-to-step with pictures guide will be perfect [02:12] are there any classes written? [02:13] apart from the DoctorMO's one [02:14] he wrote a few, they are all linked on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics [02:14] Local Computer, Networking, Package Management, etc [02:16] hmm, ok [02:16] I think we can start with Ubuntu Installation [02:16] that's the start point [02:18] great :) [02:18] I think it makes sense for us to write the classes targeting the LTS versions, so you'll want to do it with 12.04 [02:18] yep [02:18] I'll wait until the final release comes out [02:19] it shouldn't change too much from now to then, maybe hold off on screenshots :) but you can write the outline and start with the basics [02:20] also, all the community docs are licensed CC-BY-SA, so as long as we say "we took this portion from help.ubuntu.com/community/whatever" we can copy docs [02:20] we don't want to be rewriting everything [02:20] haha, yep [02:20] but sometimes help.ubuntu.com is outdated [02:20] yep [02:21] for help.ubuntu.com/community/ we also want to contribute back [02:21] so if something is outdated and we update it for ours, we should update there too :) [02:21] help.ubuntu.com itself (not /community) is harder since those are the official docs and there is an official procedure for editing them [02:23] then, I can investigate about how to do it and mange to update it [02:25] do you need to be part of a team to update help.ubuntu.com? I can apply for it, if needed [02:25] it's the ubuntu-docs team, I don't know what they're using for doc stuff these days [02:25] help.ubuntu.com/community/ is just a wiki, so anyone can edit it [02:26] http://jeremy.bicha.net/2012/03/22/ubuntu-docs-a-call-for-help/ is worth a read [02:27] i'll read it right now [02:28] I told you because in the 'official' documentation I only found how to install from the alternate CD [02:28] maybe we can work along with the doc team to merge ideas [02:29] they have a very tight release schedule because they need to coordinate with translators *before* release [02:29] I'd love to see us collaborate, but it's a lot of work :) [02:32] it is, so, for our actual plans we have to re-start the project, from what was left, using help.ubuntu.com/community [02:32] and update the community pages when needed, if possible [02:32] right? [02:34] pretty much :) [02:34] if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout I see the "Overview" section to be what we pull from /community docs [02:34] we'll probably have to write Demonstration and Practical ourselves, based on that documentation [02:35] yep [02:35] wait a sec, I think I've got an idea [02:37] what about if we contact the ubuntu manual team when we've got lots of articles [02:38] to share our docs with them? [02:38] ours are licensed CC-BY-SA as well, so they're welcome to anything of course [02:38] great [02:38] I think this can turn into a big idea if we're successful [02:54] ok, heading off for the evening, thanks for your help :) [02:55] thanks to you! see you!