[01:34] <JoseeAntonioR> StepNjump, txwikinger: ping? I need someone from the project.
[01:36] <pleia2> none of the people who were originally involved are here anymore :(
[01:37] <pleia2> we'd be starting from where we left off on the wiki and ubuntu-owl.org
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I'd like to revive the team, as materials can be used for actual school classez
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> classes*
[01:39] <pleia2> so on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning you'd want to look under "Materials"
[01:39] <pleia2> er "Course Material Writing"
[01:39] <pleia2> click on the icon with the hat :)
[01:39] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Materials
[01:42] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok :)
[01:45] <pleia2> http://doctormo.org/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/ is an example of a class that doctormo wrote
[01:46] <pleia2> akgraner was also trying to work on some stuff, let me see if she updated the google doc
[01:46] <JoseeAntonioR> that's great
[01:47] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe I can catch her and talk about it
[01:47] <pleia2> ah, she didn't end up updating the doc
[01:47] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gNbpaBTkH2YHfLh2BW9ek30up6TrnANzWjCcRuvYR40/edit
[01:48] <pleia2> it's a decent outline for some teaching she wanted to do though
[01:48] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, yes
[01:48] <JoseeAntonioR> that can be used as a basic scheme to work on
[01:49] <JoseeAntonioR> btw, this would be considered as official documentation?
[01:56] <pleia2> the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself
[01:56] <pleia2> even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial"
[01:56] <pleia2> but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes
[01:59] <JoseeAntonioR> sorry Lyz, could you please paste what you said before? My window closed :(
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:00 < pleia2> the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:11 < pleia2> even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial"
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:57 < pleia2> but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> I think it's a good idea
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> from my side, count me in
[02:09] <pleia2> :)
[02:09] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll try to help as much as I can
[02:09] <pleia2> so we tried to write what we want from a basic course layout: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout
[02:10] <pleia2> but that's subject to change and discussion
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> I see
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> screenshots should be also attached when possible
[02:11] <JoseeAntonioR> to make this easier
[02:11] <pleia2> yeah, those are under "Other Resources'
[02:11] <pleia2> (unless they are embedded in the document, which is ok)
[02:12] <JoseeAntonioR> having a step-to-step with pictures guide will be perfect
[02:12] <JoseeAntonioR> are there any classes written?
[02:13] <JoseeAntonioR> apart from the DoctorMO's one
[02:14] <pleia2> he wrote a few, they are all linked on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[02:14] <pleia2> Local Computer, Networking, Package Management, etc
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, ok
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> I think we can start with Ubuntu Installation
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> that's the start point
[02:18] <pleia2> great :)
[02:18] <pleia2> I think it makes sense for us to write the classes targeting the LTS versions, so you'll want to do it with 12.04
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll wait until the final release comes out
[02:19] <pleia2> it shouldn't change too much from now to then, maybe hold off on screenshots :) but you can write the outline and start with the basics
[02:20] <pleia2> also, all the community docs are licensed CC-BY-SA, so as long as we say "we took this portion from help.ubuntu.com/community/whatever" we can copy docs
[02:20] <pleia2> we don't want to be rewriting everything
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> haha, yep
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> but sometimes help.ubuntu.com is outdated
[02:20] <pleia2> yep
[02:21] <pleia2> for help.ubuntu.com/community/ we also want to contribute back
[02:21] <pleia2> so if something is outdated and we update it for ours, we should update there too :)
[02:21] <pleia2> help.ubuntu.com itself (not /community) is harder since those are the official docs and there is an official procedure for editing them
[02:23] <JoseeAntonioR> then, I can investigate about how to do it and mange to update it
[02:25] <JoseeAntonioR> do you need to be part of a team to update help.ubuntu.com? I can apply for it, if needed
[02:25] <pleia2> it's the ubuntu-docs team, I don't know what they're using for doc stuff these days
[02:25] <pleia2> help.ubuntu.com/community/ is just a wiki, so anyone can edit it
[02:26] <pleia2> http://jeremy.bicha.net/2012/03/22/ubuntu-docs-a-call-for-help/ is worth a read
[02:27] <JoseeAntonioR> i'll read it right now
[02:28] <JoseeAntonioR> I told you because in the 'official' documentation I only found how to install from the alternate CD
[02:28] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe we can work along with the doc team to merge ideas
[02:29] <pleia2> they have a very tight release schedule because they need to coordinate with translators *before* release
[02:29] <pleia2> I'd love to see us collaborate, but it's a lot of work :)
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> it is, so, for our actual plans we have to re-start the project, from what was left, using help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> and update the community pages when needed, if possible
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> right?
[02:34] <pleia2> pretty much :)
[02:34] <pleia2> if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout I see the "Overview" section to be what we pull from /community docs
[02:34] <pleia2> we'll probably have to write Demonstration and Practical ourselves, based on that documentation
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> wait a sec, I think I've got an idea
[02:37] <JoseeAntonioR> what about if we contact the ubuntu manual team when we've got lots of articles
[02:38] <pleia2> to share our docs with them?
[02:38] <pleia2> ours are licensed CC-BY-SA as well, so they're welcome to anything of course
[02:38] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[02:38] <JoseeAntonioR> I think this can turn into a big idea if we're successful
[02:54] <pleia2> ok, heading off for the evening, thanks for your help :)
[02:55] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks to you! see you!