[14:58]  * skaet waves
[14:58]  * skaet seeing some familiar faces show up...  :)
[14:58]  * scott-work waves at skaet 
[14:58] <astraljava> o/
[14:59] <skaet> welcome astraljava.   :)
[14:59] <astraljava> Thanks! Glad to be here.
[14:59]  * skaet glad to see scott-work too.  :)
[14:59] <pitti> hello
[14:59]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar 23 15:00:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <skaet>  [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:00] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
[15:00] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[15:00] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-23
[15:00] <skaet> Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[15:00] <skaet> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> We're now in Beta 2 Freeze, and the archive is frozen, so all changes will need to be reviewed by the release team.   Changes to the unseeded universe can continue to go in, but changes to seeded packages will need review.
[15:00] <skaet> #ubuntu-release if questions, please.
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> For the first time we'll be using precise-proposed as a staging area while we're in Freeze.   unity is currently blazing the trail for us there using this new capability.
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet>  Schedule is at:
[15:00] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:00] <skaet>  #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[15:00] <skaet>  .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[15:00] <skaet> • 2012/03/24 - Framework for Beta 2 release notes available for input
[15:00] <skaet> • 2012/03/29 - DocumentationStringFreeze for ubuntu-doc and server-guide at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet> • 2012/03/29 - Beta 2 Release
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet>  Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[15:00] <skaet>  #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[15:00] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[15:01] <skaet> Hardware Certification - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001015.html - brendand
[15:01] <skaet> Quality Assurance -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001019.html - jibel
[15:01] <skaet> Security team  -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001016.html- mdeslaur
[15:01] <skaet> Kernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001000.html - ogasawara
[15:01] <skaet> Foundations -https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001024.html -  cjwatson
[15:01] <skaet> Server -https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001020.html - arosales
[15:01] <skaet> Linaro -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001011.html - fabo
[15:01] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001006.html-  joshuahoover
[15:01] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001012.html - pitti
[15:01] <skaet> Unity Framework Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001022.html - dbarth
[15:01] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001027.html - Cimi
[15:01] <skaet> Kubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001025.html-  Riddell
[15:01] <skaet> Edubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001008.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[15:01] <skaet> Xubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001014.html - astraljava
[15:01] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001017.html - scott-work
[15:01] <skaet> Lubuntu  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/001021.html - gilir
[15:01] <skaet> Mythbuntu - no update received - superm1
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Comments, Question and Answer Session
[15:01] <Riddell> hi
[15:02] <mdeslaur> hello
[15:02] <arosales> hello
[15:03] <Riddell> \o
[15:03] <skaet> hello everyone.   :)   was just about to ask for show of hands,  but Riddell's started us off.   :)
[15:03] <skaet> go Riddell
[15:04] <Riddell> that was deliberate as a starting question: how's everyone feeling about beta 2? any worries or things to look out for?
[15:04] <highvoltage> o/
[15:04] <pitti> I'll feel much better once that unity is in, and works :)
[15:04] <highvoltage> (just waving hi, not noting any worries)
[15:04] <Riddell> I think Kubuntu is good from smoketesting today but I still don't have precise images working on my arm board (of ubuntu desktop never mind kubuntu)
[15:05] <tumbleweed> hi, no mail from MOTU this week, nothing big I'm aware of
[15:05] <pitti> I'm not aware of true blockers in ubuntu desktop yet
[15:05] <pitti> (again, that's pre-unity landing :-P *knocking on wood*)
[15:05] <Riddell> pitti: what about wallpapers?
[15:06] <pitti> Riddell: oh, we still have the old one? /me puts that on his list
[15:06] <arosales> The MIR and security team have been doing a great job on plowing through the MIRs for server, that was one of the worrisome points.
[15:06] <Riddell> pitti: I don't know but I heard rumours your artists haven't got round to either getting the precise ones in or the FFe needed for them
[15:07] <Cimi> I am on wallpapers
[15:07] <Riddell> pitti: NBS and component mismatches all good?
[15:07] <Cimi> doing reviews this morning
[15:07] <Riddell> Cimi: got a FFe?
[15:07] <pitti> Riddell: mopping up the last things; kenvandine is on fixing telepathy-qt4, to get back beer on precise_probs
[15:07] <Cimi> Riddell, not yet, we don't have the default set either
[15:07] <Cimi> Riddell, we are targeting at beginning next week
[15:07] <Riddell> pitti: oh interesting, is he talking to shadeslayer about telepathy-qt4?
[15:08] <Riddell> Cimi: beginning next week is beta freeze
[15:08]  * pitti relays that
[15:08] <skaet> Riddell, Cimi - we're beta frozen now.
[15:08] <Cimi> Riddell, we are not ready for them today
[15:08] <skaet> this is pretty late
[15:08] <Cimi> skaet, they are published in the bugreport
[15:08] <Cimi> skaet, but we need higher resolution
[15:08] <Cimi> skaet, and few of them might get removed
[15:08] <pitti> we can do Monday under the condition that the size doesn't grow noticeably
[15:09] <pitti> if it's bigger than the current one and overflows images, we have to do it post-beta
[15:09] <skaet> Cimi,  is what's up there now going to be ok for ubuntu-docs to do their screenshots from?
[15:09] <pitti> with "noticeably" == <= +200 kB or so
[15:09] <Cimi> pitti, we'll probably have less wallpapers than ubuntu wallpapers in 11.10 package
[15:10] <pitti> Cimi: sounds promising :)
[15:10] <Cimi> ;-)
[15:10] <arosales> o/
[15:11] <skaet> Cimi,  what about the screen shots?
[15:11] <Cimi> skaet, screen shots are taken against default wallpapers, isn't it?
[15:11] <Cimi> *wallpaper
[15:11] <skaet> Cimi,  yes
[15:12] <cjwatson> I thought we'd been told the default wallpaper was changing a bit too
[15:12] <Riddell> Cimi: will the scrollbar and slider behaviour be changing in 12.04?
[15:12] <Cimi> skaet, the default wallpaper won't change that much
[15:12] <cjwatson> how about it not change at all?
[15:12] <Cimi> Riddell, you mean the left-click thing?
[15:12] <cjwatson> then it won't affect screenshots
[15:12] <Riddell> Cimi: I guess so yes
[15:12] <Cimi> cjwatson, it changed so subtly, you won't notice
[15:12] <pitti> if just the non-default ones change, it's not crucial to press into b2
[15:13] <pitti> same for the subtle default change, I figure
[15:13] <cjwatson> Cimi: I love being told that kind of thing ... actually not really
[15:13] <Cimi> all the process of the LTS is to taking up 6 cycles and refining, the wallpaper is part of this process and is a refinements of the last
[15:13] <cjwatson> if it's so subtle you won't notice, we could skip any screenshot risk by not taking that change
[15:14] <Riddell> Cimi: are your processes aligned to the ubuntu release cycle including freezes?
[15:14] <Cimi> Riddell, not really, but I am personally aware of them
[15:14] <Riddell> is there someone aware of them or is that a team failure?
[15:15] <Cimi> Riddell, I've asked the final default wallpaper, I'll look at it in a minute
[15:15] <Cimi> Riddell, I'm not speaking of the system team now, I am dealing of a designer thing
[15:15] <Riddell> skaet: maybe an action to ensure the design team is aware of the cycle they are working to?
[15:16] <skaet> Riddell,   yes,  I was making a note of that.
[15:16] <Cimi> systems team is doing great :-) and it's not that designers are doing bad, just that the selection and all the contest took more time
[15:16] <Riddell> Cimi: what is the systems team?
[15:16] <Cimi> Riddell, the team I am representing now
[15:16] <Cimi> Riddell, I am an engineer of Systems but I work in London with designers
[15:17] <skaet> #action - review design schedules, and dx system team release shedules against Ubuntu release schedule at UDS for Q
[15:17] <meetingology> ACTION: - review design schedules, and dx system team release shedules against Ubuntu release schedule at UDS for Q
[15:17] <Riddell> Cimi: isn't that Unity services and settings?
[15:17] <Cimi> Riddell, it is
[15:17] <skaet> Riddell,   yes, its the systems aspect.
[15:17] <Riddell> "systems" seems awfae generic sounding, that's why I'm getting confused
[15:18] <Riddell> anyway more important things to discuss I expect :)
[15:18] <Cimi> Riddell, I will make sure designers will respect release schedule more firmly
[15:18] <Cimi> no worries, skaet as well
[15:18] <Cimi> I apologize for the issues if there were any
[15:19] <cjwatson> mm, I never knew what Systems meant myself :)
[15:19] <cjwatson> (maybe that should be "[DX Systems] Release Meeting 2012-03-30", since most of us aren't DX?)
[15:20] <skaet> ..?
[15:20] <cjwatson> yah, sorry
[15:20] <Riddell> ..
[15:20] <skaet> :)
[15:20] <skaet> A documentation freeze exception (and adjustment of the translations deadlines) was made for ubuntu-docs and the server guide - to give them more time to get the content created.   Anyone who is able to help them with parts,  would be welcome.   Details of what needs to be done can be found:
[15:20] <skaet> #link http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-docs-todo (contact jbicha if questions)
[15:20] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/UbuntuServerGuide (contact pmathulis if questions)
[15:21] <skaet> it was relevant to the prior point, of impact of some of the changes being discussed,  so seemed appropriate to insert here.
[15:21] <skaet> ..
[15:21] <Cimi> give me few mins to check the final 12.04 default wallpaper
[15:21] <skaet> Cimi,  sure.
[15:21] <skaet> arosales,  go
[15:21] <arosales> Just a coment
[15:21] <arosales> cjwatson: Riddell: Thanks for your help on bug 948437 and bug 948438
[15:21] <arosales> ..
[15:21] <skaet> :)
[15:21] <Riddell> all in a day's work from your friendly archive admin team
[15:22] <skaet> o/
[15:22] <Cimi> Riddell, for the left-click thing on the scale/scrollbar, it will get in 12.04 only if it will get merged in upstream gtk
[15:22] <Cimi> Riddell, we will not distropatch gtk+
[15:22] <Cimi> seb128 can confirm
[15:23] <Riddell> Cimi: and any plans for Qt as used by various Ubuntu Desktop things?
[15:23] <Cimi> Riddell, no plans for 12.04 I'd say
[15:23] <Cimi> Riddell, but I doubt the patch will be difficult to do
[15:23] <Riddell> mm, inconsistent scrollbar behavious between applications seems nasty
[15:24] <Cimi> Riddell, what are you referring to?
[15:24] <Riddell> patches are always harder than expectred :)
[15:24] <Cimi> Riddell, overlay scrollbars or left-click jump-to behavior?
[15:24] <Riddell> Cimi: if you're using ubuntu desktop and gtk changes then you have different behaviour between say firefox and ubuntu one
[15:24] <Cimi> Riddell, overlay scrollbars for qt are not in the plans
[15:24] <Riddell> dunno whatever
[15:24] <Cimi> ah ok, you're talking abut overlay scrollbars now, and yes there are no plans now
[15:25] <Cimi> and I think we should keep the conversation apart from this meeting
[15:25] <Cimi> but thanks for raising the issue
[15:25] <Riddell> ..
[15:25] <skaet> brendand, any questions about apw's summary?  is there an ETA when some of that retesting they're asking for can happen?   also is  https://bugs.launchpad.net/hw-labs/+bug/834731 still a blocker since it can't be reproduced?
[15:26] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <brendand> skaet, no - i will discuss taking the tag off it with ara
[15:26] <Cimi> skaet, Riddell I received the new final 12.04 default wallpaper
[15:26] <brendand> where is apw's summary?
[15:26] <skaet> brendand,   he posted it to ubuntu-release mail list
[15:26] <Riddell> Cimi: tell it to the desktop team :)
[15:26] <Cimi> it won't affect screenshots with apps used in the ubuntu electronic manual on the desktop
[15:27] <skaet> Cimi, thats good news, thanks.
[15:27] <Cimi> maybe it should be used for the default screenshot in the ubuntu webpage once 12.04 is released, for sake of consistency
[15:27] <brendand> skaet, ah ok. good news is that bug 714862 is fix released now and tested
[15:27] <Cimi> but I don't think we are dealing with something that affects focs
[15:27] <skaet> [ACTION] skaet discuss screenshots for ubuntu web page with web team and Cimi.
[15:27] <meetingology> ACTION: skaet discuss screenshots for ubuntu web page with web team and Cimi.
[15:29] <skaet> brendand,  Can the ones looking for retesting get scheduled for early next week/later today?
[15:30] <brendand> skaet, probably. i'll check and let you know
[15:30] <skaet> its probably too late for Beta 2 at this point, but getting them in as soon as possible after the Beta2 release seems prudent.
[15:30] <skaet> Thanks.
[15:30] <skaet> ..
[15:30]  * skaet looks around for other o/ before going on to her next one ;)
[15:31] <Riddell> skaet: you're next :)
[15:31] <skaet> :)
[15:31] <skaet> dbarth, ogra_ - any estimates on when compiz will pick up the OpenGLES?
[15:31] <skaet> ..
[15:32] <skaet> fabo, ^  probably as well.  ;)
[15:32] <ogra_> skaet, i uploaded the gles driver today 8sits in NEW and waits for an archive admin to letz it into multiverse)
[15:32] <ogra_> once thats in i'll throw the compiz patch into our package
[15:32] <ogra_> (patch is ready but without driver we couldnt test yet)
[15:33] <ogra_> (it works in the luinaro images though, so i dont expect actual issues)
[15:33] <ogra_> skaet, i would say right after beta
[15:33] <ogra_> (i dont want to risk beta image stability for it)
[15:33] <ogra_> ..
[15:33] <skaet> ogra_,  thanks,  :)  That's what I was trying to figure out.
[15:33] <skaet> ..
[15:34] <skaet> jibel,  any preliminary feedback on the Beta 2 images that started going up earlier today?
[15:35] <jibel> from a QA perspective and the testing we did, B2 is in a rather good shape. The installer sprint helped a lot
[15:36] <jibel> But I'm prudent, Unity never land without a bunch of surprises. So we'll know the real status of 12.04 once it's in.
[15:36]  * skaet nods
[15:36] <jibel> pitti, any ETA for a fix for bug 916291? It is now blocking oneric main and universe testing
[15:37] <jibel> upgrade testing I mean
[15:37] <pitti> jibel: we actually believed it to be fixed already
[15:37] <pitti> so, as we currently didn't debug yet what's causing it, still a couple of days
[15:37] <pitti> which will unfortunately mean post-b2 :(
[15:37] <jibel> ok, thanks
[15:39] <skaet> .. I think,  next question/comment?
[15:40] <dbarth> ogra_: great news
[15:40] <skaet> scott_work, astraljava, highvoltage, Riddell - any FFE's being waited on for your images?
[15:40] <Riddell> not that I know of
[15:41] <highvoltage> skaet: nope
[15:41]  * skaet puts ticky mark in the Kubuntu column. :)
[15:41] <highvoltage> (stgraber did a good job of poking me all the time to get things in on time)
[15:41]  * skaet ticky marks Edubuntu.   :)
[15:41] <Riddell> highvoltage: teachers pet!
[15:41] <highvoltage> hie hie
[15:42] <skaet> lol
[15:43] <skaet> any other FFE's  that folks want to see in Beta2 but haven't been commented on?
[15:43] <scott-work> skaet: no FFe's that i am aware of
[15:44] <scott-work> i believe all we had are already completed
[15:44] <skaet> thanks scott-work.
[15:45] <skaet> also,  thanks tumbleweed for the update on Universe last week,  attached it to the minutes from last week.  :)
[15:45] <scott-work> not sure about xubuntu, i asked in channel and astral.java is away from computer at the moment (who is here for xubuntu)
[15:46] <skaet> scott-work, he was here at the start of the meeting, so something must have come up. :/
[15:46] <ScottK> BTW, there was a volunteer to test powerpc images for Xubuntu on (IIRC) the QA list today.
[15:46] <Riddell> volunteers to test the kubuntu images on arm welcome
[15:47] <scott-work> skaet: i think he was on a tram with a laptop and low battery
[15:47] <skaet> ScottK, interesting,  that's not one on Xubuntu's manifest for this release.
[15:47] <ScottK> Yes.  They specifically asked if it could be added back.
[15:48] <ScottK> IIRC it was just dropped due to lack of testers.
[15:48] <skaet> pitti, cjwatson,  ^ thoughts?
[15:49] <pitti> question for xubuntu really; if someone wants them and can test them, sure
[15:49] <pitti> we should just keep in mind that adding a powerpc image quadruples image build time
[15:49] <ScottK> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2012-March/002054.html
[15:49] <pitti> in case they need fast turnarounds for bug fixes
[15:49] <pitti> but that's not a big blocker, of course
[15:50] <ScottK> skaet: I'm not sure there are Xubuntu people active on that list.  Could you follow up with them since they aren't here?
[15:50] <skaet> I'll follow up with Xubuntu team offline.
[15:50] <skaet> :)
[15:50] <ScottK> Great.
[15:50]  * skaet sees ScottK is faster at typing than she is.  :)
[15:50] <cjwatson> the new-powerpc-buildd RT looks days away from completion
[15:50] <cjwatson> ...
[15:51] <skaet> ..
[15:51] <skaet> anything else before we wrap up?
[15:52] <Daviey> Things look surprisingly good!
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, brendand, jibel, mdeslaur, cjwatson, dbarth, Daviey, arosales,  fabo, pitti, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, highvoltage, ogra_, tumbleweed
[15:52] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar 23 15:52:33 2012 UTC.
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-23-15.00.moin.txt
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-23-15.00.html
[15:52] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:52] <arosales> skaet: thanks for chairing
[15:52] <arosales> have a good weekend all
[15:52] <Daviey> ta!
[15:52] <pitti> thanks everyone
[15:52] <skaet> Have a good weekend all.   :)
[15:53] <jibel> thanks skaet! enjoy your week end all!
[15:54] <scott-work> thank you :)