[07:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[07:33] <christel> good morning :)
[07:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh we are all up early today.
[07:34] <AlanBell> ooh the farnham posse are all awake
[07:34] <christel> hehe
[07:34] <AlanBell> and in other news I got data out of Oracle 11g \o/
[07:35] <christel> hooray
[07:35] <AlanBell> it was a bit of a tussle, but I won in the end
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Great. Well done.
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Drop Tom a message so he can stop jumping on Omer.
[07:49] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: do I have to?
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[08:04] <DJones> Morning
[08:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - http://marshallfridge.com/
[08:16] <AlanBell> lol
[08:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:17] <AlanBell> and it goes to 11!
[08:23] <daubers> Morning
[08:25] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning morning
[08:45] <DJones> Has anybody here bought an Asus transformer prime yet?
[08:53] <diplo> Didn't popey get one ?
[08:53] <diplo> DJones ^^ ?
[08:54] <AlanBell> DJones: I am waiting for the infinity version
[08:55] <DJones> AlanBell: I've not heard of that
[08:55]  * DJones googles
[08:56] <AlanBell> full HD screen
[08:56] <DJones> Ah
[08:58] <DJones> Tossing up beween getting a xoom 2/galaxy tab/prime  At the moment, the prime looks to be the best option
[09:10]  * AlanBell cries at unbreakable linux
[09:10] <daubers> AlanBell: did you break it?
[09:10] <daubers> did czajkowski touch it? that normally breaks things
[09:11] <dwatkins> I thought unbreakable linux was Red Hat 9
[09:12] <czajkowski> daubers: oi
[09:12] <christel> AlanBell: what time are we lunching? :)
[09:13] <AlanBell> ooh about lunchtime I think
[09:14] <AlanBell> dwatkins: I think it is redhat enterprise linux 5.5
[09:14] <AlanBell> comes with no repositories working
[09:14] <dwatkins> AlanBell: eek :-/
[09:19] <czajkowski> anyone here run banshee?
[09:19] <czajkowski> hands up ?
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> nope
[09:19] <popey> o/
[09:20] <czajkowski> popey: can you launch it there and play a tune please
[09:20] <popey> sure
[09:20] <czajkowski> and tell me does it bomb out and die
[09:20]  * popey listens to a bit of blondie
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol ^^ "(09:10:45) daubers: did czajkowski touch it? that normally breaks things"
[09:20] <popey> diplo: no, i have a transformer, not a prime
[09:20] <popey> have played with the prime and it's lovely
[09:20] <popey> and I'd probably buy one if android didn't suck donkey balls :D
[09:21] <diplo> ah, I'm saving up for a tabley
[09:21]  * TheOpenSourcerer will stick CM9 on his touchpad soon.
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> In fact might do it this weekend.
[09:22] <diplo> humphreybc reckons it works really well on his according to G+
[09:22] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: I dont break things I bring to light their non workings :)
[09:23]  * DJones suggests PEBKAC
[09:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer and AlanBell are off to view some office space shortly. Expansion and growth are UNSTOPPABLE!
[09:24] <AlanBell> then we are going to a pub
[09:24] <AlanBell> for more expansion
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[09:24] <czajkowski> hehe
[09:24] <czajkowski> sounds like a great plan
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I'm going to pubs this evening too. And Curry.
[09:24] <czajkowski> popey: did it close up at all ?
[09:24]  * popey listens to more blondie
[09:24] <popey> no czajkowski
[09:25] <popey> czajkowski: run it in a terminal and see what happens
[09:26] <czajkowski> popey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/896184/
[09:27] <popey> czajkowski: ubuntu-bug banshee
[09:32]  * DJones wonders if the transformer prime is harder to get hold of than rocking horse droppings, all I want to do is go into a shop and look at one
[09:33] <popey> they are lovely
[09:33] <popey> almost ipad-levels of lovely ;)
[09:33]  * AlanBell waits for the lovelier one
[09:34] <DJones> They look great, and does everything I want (for work purposes of course, that it plays video & music/reads books/internet/email/minecraft etc is a perk
[09:34] <popey> heh, minecraft
[09:35] <DJones> pocket edition has survival mode now :)
[09:35] <popey> yeah
[09:35] <DJones> Not easy to play on a phone though
[09:36] <DJones> Prime with keyboard could be just in time for going away for a week after easter
[09:39] <AlanBell> yay I have installed MySQL-python on this thing
[09:39] <AlanBell> only took an hour
[09:40] <AlanBell> and the installation of the centos repositories
[09:40] <czajkowski> ight bug logged
[09:40] <czajkowski> great start to the day eh!
[09:41] <popey> are you running latest 12.04?
[09:41] <czajkowski> popey: aye
[09:41] <czajkowski> popey: and remember we added my music to rhythmbox
[09:41] <popey> ya
[09:41] <czajkowski> well now Ive duplicate of everything in there
[09:41] <popey> right click two tracks that are the same
[09:41] <popey> look at the details and see where the files are
[09:44] <czajkowski> come/czajkowski/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/Beyoncé/4   and /home/czajkowski/.local/share/ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/Beyoncé/4
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:47] <arsen> whats the price on the prime?
[09:47] <DJones> arsen: £500
[09:48] <arsen> not bad eh :o
[09:48] <arsen> well, wtihin ipad pricerange.
[09:48] <gord> wow, thats expensive...
[09:48] <DJones> Yeah, thats my thought, Tab is £480 and doesn't have sd card or hdmi built in
[09:48] <DJones> so comparatively cheap
[09:49] <gord> still way way too expensive for what it is
[09:49] <popey> czajkowski: known bug
[09:49] <popey> czajkowski: dobey working on it
[09:50] <popey> hassle him, it's annoying me too
[09:50] <gord> i "fixed" it, but you have to edit the python code
[09:50] <popey> (which is why i currently use banshee)
[09:51] <czajkowski> cant use banshee https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/962915  :)
[09:51] <czajkowski> need my music fix while working
[09:52] <popey> czajkowski: are you at home?
[09:52] <popey> is there a mac on the network sharing out music?
[09:52] <czajkowski> I am
[09:52] <czajkowski> let me see
[09:53] <popey> s/mac/itunes/
[09:53] <czajkowski> ahh no but I think he has them on the tv as it's apple tv
[09:53] <czajkowski> good thinking :D
[09:53] <popey> well, hang on
[09:54] <popey> can you test whether banshee plays music if you go 'offline'
[09:54] <popey> i.e. switch off wifi or disconnect
[09:54] <popey> so, shut close banshee, down wifi, open banshee, play song
[09:54] <popey> see if it works
[09:54] <czajkowski> nods
[09:55] <meet> in gnome 3, all status indicator icons like pidgin or clementime integration are hidden at the right bottom screen. I am not able to get them at the top besides the time date or poweroff icons. what can i do?
[09:55] <popey> meet: when you say 'gnome 3' do you mean 'gnome shell'?
[09:55] <popey> meet: perhaps there is an extension to do that, i don't know, I don't use gnome shell. http://extensions.gnome.org/
[09:56] <meet> i am new to this..could you explain? I installed the gnome 3 on unity from software center
[09:56] <popey> meet: welcome to the madhouse! ☺
[09:56] <popey> meet: you were in unity, installed gnome shell and logged out and back in, and now you have gnome shell open?
[09:57] <meet> ya. i had five options at the login screen- gnome, classic, (something else), unity, unity 2d
[09:57] <meet> popey: i selected gnome
[09:58] <popey> gotcha meet
[09:59] <popey> so, I have no idea, I dont run gnome shell, sorry. but there might be an extension to fiddle with the user interface at http://extensions.gnome.org/
[09:59] <meet> ok thanks. :)
[10:00] <brobostigon> meet: also have a look at gnome-tweak-tool, it gives loads of options to mess with gnome3 generally.
[10:01] <czajkowski> popey: bach cant see his itunes folder, nm no biggies cheers for the help
[10:02] <popey> czajkowski: but does banshee play music when offline?
[10:03] <czajkowski> nope
[10:03] <popey> interesting
[10:36] <popey> gord: http://paste.ubuntu.com/896252/
[10:36] <popey> why does my ATI based machine say VMware as the vendor?
[10:39] <gord> popey, because your using software renderering
[10:39] <gord> llvm pipe is software rendering
[10:39] <popey> should be using hardware, it's a radeon
[10:39] <popey> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series]
[10:40] <gord> should be using hardware but X decided to load llvm pipe, i'd try forcing radeon in xorg.conf
[10:40] <popey> j
[10:40] <popey> k even
[10:52] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:53] <davmor2> morning all
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:53] <DJones> Right, transformer prime ordered
[11:09] <davmor2> I'll try that again Morning all
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:09] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrro
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: I have a feeling it's gonna be one of those days :(
[11:11] <bigcalm> Friday!
[11:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: but it;s SUNNY
[11:11] <czajkowski> and FRIDAY!
[11:12] <christel> AlanBell: i still think you should take over the plough as your new premises and also run the pub, "The Lord and Bell" has a certain ring to it
[11:12] <christel> i'd go there for a pint or five!
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: I've already had half a dozen calls off the step son after his nan and mom, I've had to restart my router to make the internet work, and then restart xchat cause not all the channels came back to life so you tell me :)
[11:14] <davmor2> morning bigcalm recovered from being out numbered by canonical staff again yesterday
[11:14] <czajkowski> davmor2: *hugs*
[11:15] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'll never get used to it
[11:16] <davmor2> lukasz said after you left maybe it's a sign that you need to join canonical :D
[11:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: ^
[11:16] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:18] <davmor2> czajkowski: we had you counter part there yesterday Lukasz Czyzykowski
[11:18] <czajkowski> ahhh really
[11:18] <czajkowski> his name confuses me
[11:19] <czajkowski> it's spelled wrong :)
[11:19] <christel> lol
[11:19] <bigcalm> Says you
[11:19] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's sounds like yours but with a stutter at the beginning
[11:20] <Dave2> czy<tab>
[11:20]  * Dave2 runs
[11:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: now that's not on he told us the meaning of your name, now if only I could remember it, something like singing lark, I'll have to prod him to check there was certainly a bird of some sort in it
[11:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Czajkowski :)
[11:23] <davmor2> lapwing I was close I knew there was a bird in there :)
[11:24] <bigcalm> That block of text is not very easy to read for some reason
[11:29] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[11:30] <arsen> _^
[11:30] <arsen> ^_^
[11:33] <sally_cinnamon> =)
[11:42] <davmor2> s-fox: sally_cinnamon
[11:43] <davmor2> sally_cinnamon: you trying our a new nick
[11:47] <AlanBell> christel: we are heading for the pub
[11:49] <davmor2> AlanBell, christel: Enjoy !
[11:50] <hoover> hi folks
[11:51] <davmor2> hello hoover
[11:57] <sally_cinnamon> davmor2,  no
[11:57] <christel> AlanBell: ok! i shall join you shortly!
[11:58]  * daubers ponders lunch
[12:14] <hoover> Hmmm, Pub
[12:14] <daubers> does ubuntu still use plymouth
[12:16] <popey> yes
[12:17] <daubers> ta
[12:17] <popey> ☺
[12:17] <daubers> things change so often I sometimes struggle to keep up
[12:20]  * bigcalm thinks he won't get to the pub in time for lunch with the gang
[12:20] <bigcalm> 3 hour drive 'n all...
[12:20] <Pendulum> bigcalm: wimp :P
[12:21] <Pendulum> you should have started driving 3 hours ago
[12:22] <bigcalm> Pendulum: I'm saving my energy for oggcamp (where and whenever it might be)
[12:22] <bigcalm> Pendulum: good morning!
[12:23] <Pendulum> bigcalm: was about to asked how you missed me in that other channel, but I think I showed up just as you restarted
[12:27] <davmor2> daubers: you think you struggle to keep up sometimes,  I think you over estimate you're ability and keeping up ;)
[12:31] <hoover> too bad biggie
[12:31] <popey> bug
[12:31] <popey> bah
[12:32] <popey> bug 963029
[12:32] <popey> anyone fancy confirming that on 12.04
[12:32] <davmor2> popey: you have unicode tunes ;)
[12:33] <popey> maybe ☺
[12:35]  * AlanBell wonders where the christel is
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: it seems to work fine for ¥
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: and ←
[12:35] <bigcalm> Friday might be chippy day
[12:35] <bigcalm> Hummmm
[12:36] <bigcalm> Or is it subway again?
[12:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: compromise grab a butter sub and then a cone of chips and merge the 2 together :)
[12:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: chip sub sarnie you know it makes sense
[12:39] <bigcalm> Tempting, but too much hassle :)
[12:39]  * bigcalm trundles off into town
[13:17] <DJones> \o/ Your amazon order has been dispatched :)
[13:19] <dogmatic69> I have been having problems with mail, and turns out sendmail + postfix are running
[13:19] <dogmatic69> should i apt-get remove sendmail
[13:20] <j0nr> ok folder is chown root.www-data ... I am member of group www-data... why cant I create files in there?
[13:20] <j0nr> perms are drwxrwxr-x
[13:26] <ali1234> in SQL can i have a key that is both primary key and foreign key? ie 1:1 correspondence between two tables?
[13:27] <ali1234> more importantly, is it a good idea?
[13:27] <ali1234> i want to extend an existing wordpress table, but i don't want to mess with their schema
[13:27] <j0nr> ah, "newgrp www-data" in that window refreshed the perms
[13:27] <ali1234> and i don't wat to use wp_meta
[13:32] <ali1234> ah never mind i understand it now
[13:38] <dogmatic69>  ali1234: you want a hasOne relation Say users table hasOne profile, in profiles table stick user_id. You can make user_id a pk, but I like to always have a id field
[13:38] <ali1234> dogmatic69: it's like this
[13:38] <ali1234> wordpress has table wp_posts
[13:38] <ali1234> i made a custom post type
[13:38] <ali1234> i need to store a crapload of stuff about said custom posts
[13:39] <ali1234> so i have my own table for that
[13:39] <dogmatic69> ye, that is the same.
[13:39] <ali1234> called "videos" - so wp_posts to videos is 1 to 0 or 1
[13:40] <ali1234> now i also have a voting table where each row is a vote combining a playlist, video, and user
[13:40] <ali1234> so videos(ID) is foreign key to wp_posts(ID)
[13:40] <ali1234> and then votes has foreign key video_id which points to video(ID)
[13:41] <ali1234> which means video(ID) is both a foreign and primary key at the same time
[13:41] <ali1234> but i realised i can just make votes(video_id) point directly at wp_posts primary key instead
[13:41] <ali1234> because it's the same value
[13:41] <dogmatic69> it will work, I prefer having the id on all tables, less confusing
[13:42] <ali1234> well that's the point
[13:42] <ali1234> the ID is on all tables, but it's the same ID
[13:42] <ali1234> i don't want to have two unique IDs on one table :)
[13:42] <ali1234> but i dn't have to so it's all good
[13:42] <dogmatic69> if you were talking about millions of records, I would go with your way as you will save 100's of mb of redundant info
[13:43] <bigcalm> Oh poo. The camera app has stopped working on my nexus one
[13:43] <gord> bigcalm, restarted?
[13:43] <ali1234> dogmatic69: thats my SQL http://paste.ubuntu.com/896442/
[13:43] <Nafallo> hmmm... ICS should be due soon...
[13:44] <bigcalm> gord: rebooted, powered off, battery removed, still force closes
[13:44] <ali1234> hmm i see bugs, better fix them
[13:44] <gord> bigcalm, i blame your evil hacker flashing
[13:44] <dogmatic69> ali1234: whats with the $ $videos_table
[13:44] <bigcalm> gord: How long has the n1 been out? I put cm on it maybe a month after release. Worked 100% until today
[13:45] <dogmatic69> is that a holder for prefix?
[13:45] <ali1234> dogmatic69: yes, it inserts the table name with the wordpress db prefix set by user
[13:45] <ali1234> $votes_table = $wpdb->prefix . "videovote_votes";
[13:45] <gord> bigcalm, and my 100% native since i got it install still works! correlation absolutely = causation!
[13:45] <ali1234> etc
[13:45] <bigcalm> Haha
[13:46] <dogmatic69> ali1234: bigint() is a bit overboard, unless you are looking to create 18446744073709551615 posts
[13:46] <bigcalm> Afternoon aq
[13:47] <ali1234> dogmatic69: that's the type wordpress uses for IDs, so I have to use it too
[13:48] <ali1234> i suppose i don't have to use it for ballots and votes but, consistency, you know
[13:48] <directhex> using huge integer types seemed silly to twitter, too
[13:48] <ali1234> yeah? did they run out then?
[13:48] <ali1234> i'm not making the next twitter anyway
[13:49] <ali1234> if this site gets 10 hits a day it will be deemed a success
[13:49] <directhex> they did. twittergeddon!
[13:50] <directhex> biggest problem was twitter clients built into mobile phones, which were hardcoded to use the smaller data type
[13:50] <ali1234> they've got that facebook sim now
[13:50] <ali1234> wonder how long before that gets broken by an api update
[13:51] <ali1234> actually it probably requires an intermediate server anyway
[14:13] <gord> cleaning desk, found random vga->dvi converter, score!
[14:13] <gord> i love hidden desk treasure
[14:18] <bigcalm> But what will you do with it?
[14:19] <gord> put it in the draw with the rest of the useless desk treasures obviously?
[14:19] <bigcalm> Silly me
[14:20] <gord> it can make friends with the old mobile phone chargers and PS/2 connectors
[14:22] <bigcalm> AlanBell: did christel find you?
[14:39] <christel> bigcalm: she did!
[14:39] <christel> we drank lovely pints and ate food
[14:40] <christel> she is a bit daft mind, i was convinced that place was "just down the road from me"
[14:40] <christel> so i walked down..
[14:40] <christel> it wasnt "just down the road from me"
[14:40] <christel> well, it is just down the road in the car i guess...
[14:40] <bigcalm> Whoopsie
[14:40] <christel> hehe
[14:54] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes :)
[14:55] <AlanBell> it is a lovely day for an unhurried lunch :)
[14:55] <davmor2> christel: mind you nice weather to walk in right :)
[15:00] <christel> AlanBell: have you looked at riverside park? (i am not entirely sure where it is but i think behind thai lotusland somewhere?)
[15:00] <christel> tho they may be very similar to regus
[15:01] <AlanBell> christel: we tried to find it this morning
[15:02] <christel> aha!
[15:05] <christel> is it well hidden? :x
[15:10] <AlanBell> yup
[15:14] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer \o/
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> o/
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice lunch eh?
[15:17] <bigcalm> My boss keeps chickens, he also keeps 2 cats...
[15:17] <bigcalm> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/526892_10150607014195829_708650828_9643535_2026130720_n.jpg
[15:17] <bigcalm> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538206_10150607027885829_708650828_9643604_967181359_n.jpg
[15:18] <bigcalm> I have to say that that is a pretty tabby :)
[15:18] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: very nice! thank you both for providing such wonderful company!
[15:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Likewise. Have a great weekend christel
[15:20] <christel> and you!
[15:45] <marcushaslam> ntersting
[15:55] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer, AlanBell: man how you gonna get your heads through doorways now with compliments like that,  christel you're not thinking this through at all are you :D
[15:56]  * oimon has eaten too many sweets today
[15:57] <davmor2> christel: that or you're more evil that I realise Muhahahahahahahaha
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: I'm used to it. :-)
[16:07] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: have you invested in lollypop shaped doorways then :D
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> No but that's a good idea.
[16:17] <christel> davmor2: haha, i only speak the truth!
[16:18] <davmor2> christel: oh so you have an underlying evil current then :D
[16:21]  * daubers wonders if there's an anti-christel
[16:25] <christel> haha
[16:27] <davmor2> daubers: I think the way you need to get round it is o.d. on christel then she has no effect on you, same as czajkowski
[16:27] <oimon> somehow my gmail account has got on a spam list, where i've received 20 spam in < 24 hours, where usually i received nearly no spam in my gmail :(
[16:27] <oimon> really annoying
[16:29] <diplo> Same happened to me oimon
[16:29] <diplo> :/
[16:29] <gord> doesn't gmail handle them properly? its been a long time since gmail has let a spam mail get in my inbox
[16:29] <diplo> yeah most of the time id say
[16:30] <diplo> just a shitter that actually getting stuff
[16:30] <diplo> :)
[16:30] <oimon> gord, they are getting into my inbox
[16:30] <oimon> the spam folder has 50 messages today
[16:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: language please...
[16:32] <oimon> went to a trade fair today
[16:32] <oimon> got loads of stress toys
[16:32] <oimon> and 30 pens
[16:33] <oimon> and tubs of jelly babies
[16:35] <christel> davmor2: there is no evil christel, honestly
[16:37] <davmor2> christel: hahaha I was only joking, you're like czajkowski too nice to really be evil :)  but don't tell her I said that it'll ruin her rep :D
[16:48] <oimon> diplo, just got another one?
[16:48] <diplo> nope
[16:49]  * diplo has been tagging music files on and off for 2 days now :(
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> 12.04 Beta2 building now. http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Unity-5.8-out,-ready-for-beta2!
[16:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wonder of bug 160311 is fixed (again).
[16:54] <bigcalm> It's a pixel hunt
[16:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm on 10.10 which has the problem. It's a PITA
[16:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have a really sensitive mouse and it's still hard!
[16:54] <bigcalm> 10.10 or 11.10?
[16:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> 10.10
[16:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Proper Gnome :-)
[16:57] <sally_cinnamon> oh wow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17491344
[16:57] <sally_cinnamon> that is so wrong
[16:58] <AlanBell> sally_cinnamon: yeah, I just looked up the lyrics to the borat version. I can see why they are not very happy with it.
[16:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's so funny. Film banned in both countries.
[16:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Get's played in one to the other
[17:08] <ali1234> i just read that
[17:08] <ali1234> pretty hilarious
[17:09] <ali1234> so i'm ripping a live stream from youtube, as you do
[17:09] <ali1234> it's like 6 hours long though
[17:10] <ali1234> and i noticed that the youtube content server will only hand you 2GB of the file in one session
[17:10] <ali1234> so if you actually tried to watch all 6 hours in one go you would get disconnected roughly every 1 hour 45 minutes
[17:10] <ali1234> which sucks
[17:11] <ali1234> so i'm grabbing it in parallel so i have some overlap
[17:11] <ali1234> but i'll need to somehow find the joins
[17:11] <AlanBell> is it that exciting?
[17:12] <ali1234> i don't want to watch it at all
[17:12] <ali1234> it's for someone else
[17:12] <AlanBell> 2oh the "just downloading it for a friend" story ;)
[17:12] <bigcalm> ;)
[17:12] <ali1234> yeah well this is what happens when people find out you know how to pick locks
[17:14] <ali1234> anyway, how am i going to join up the parts?
[17:14] <ali1234> i think i will have to scan through the stream packets
[17:14] <ali1234> it's not like subsections of one big file, it has a header
[17:14] <ali1234> maybe i can just cut that off
[17:17] <quackers> am I logged in here now?
[17:18] <quackers> it seems so
[17:18] <ali1234> i wonder just how expensive "longest common substring" operation is on 2x 2GB files
[17:18] <angela-android> hello quackers
[17:18] <AlanBell> hi quackers
[17:18] <quackers> angela-android, hello
[17:19] <bigcalm> Hi quackers
[17:19] <sally_cinnamon> ali1234,  You are ripping content from youtube?
[17:19] <ali1234> yeah
[17:19] <quackers> AlanBell,  hello!
[17:19] <quackers> ali1234,  hi
[17:19] <ali1234> hiya
[17:19] <quackers> bigcalm,  howdy
[17:20] <sally_cinnamon> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms - section 9.1 forbids downloading content
[17:20] <sally_cinnamon> ^ ali1234
[17:20] <ali1234> am i bovvered though?
[17:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi
[17:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: shhhh I said you was nice but I don't think anyone notice, our little secret ;)
[17:24] <quackers> o/ forestpiskie
[17:24] <bigcalm> Really CBA today :(
[17:24] <forestpiskie> hi quackers
[17:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: and that is different to a normal day how?
[17:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: today I really CBA. The weather is too night
[17:25] <bigcalm> nice
[17:25] <bigcalm> I spent my lunch hour in the garden :)
[17:26] <quackers> so did my dogs
[17:27] <quackers> different garden though
[17:28] <bigcalm> I can confirm that there were no dogs in my garden
[17:28] <quackers> :-)
[17:28] <AlanBell> I can confirm that there had been a big fat smelly dog visiting the pub garden we were at
[17:28] <AlanBell> spotted a large deposit after we had eaten
[17:29] <quackers> oh dear, where was its owner?
[17:29] <forestpiskie> fighting
[17:29] <AlanBell> gone, with the dog, and left the evidence
[17:29] <forestpiskie> :(
[17:29]  * AlanBell isn't a dog person really
[17:30] <AlanBell> just chickens, more pubs should have chickens wondering around the garden
[17:30] <quackers> they have their place - but the pub garden is not one of them
[17:30] <popey> o/
[17:30] <BigRedS> their place is generally places I'm not at or going to be at
[17:30] <quackers> or ducks :-)
[17:30] <AlanBell> danfish_: how are the ducks?
[17:31] <quackers> waddling about fine thanks
[17:31] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[17:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[17:31] <Nafallo> I want chinese duck rolls now...
[17:31] <Nafallo> "thanks"
[17:31] <AlanBell> funnily enough we have duck and pancakes cooking right now
[17:32] <quackers> my brothers!!!!
[17:32] <forestpiskie> run quackers
[17:32] <AlanBell> with hoi san sauce
[17:32] <ali1234> duckroll?
[17:32] <quackers> bad people!
[17:32] <AlanBell> nom nom nom
[17:32] <quackers> :-)
[17:33] <Nafallo> hmm. I'm actually going to drool I think.
[17:33] <quackers> again?
[17:33] <bigcalm> Bother, want duck pancake rolls now
[17:33] <czajkowski> ohh crispsy duck
[17:33] <czajkowski> panckakes
[17:33] <czajkowski> some fried rice
[17:33] <bigcalm> Wonder how I can sneak some in tonight while Hayley is out
[17:34] <bigcalm> Speaking of which, she's just returned home!
[17:34] <quackers> o/ Hayley
[17:35] <AlanBell> I think I need more chickens
[17:35] <quackers> KFC?
[17:35] <AlanBell> http://www.bhwt.org.uk/cms/re-home-some-hens/
[17:35] <czajkowski> dwatkins: do you work on banshee?
[17:49] <bigcalm> I've just been put in charge of 2 Debian squeeze servers
[17:49] <bigcalm> Is bash not installed by default?
[17:49] <bigcalm> And is it worth installing dotdeb?
[18:00] <sally_cinnamon> hmmm. well. i thought things were better than that in here. apparently not.
[18:01] <bigcalm> Better than what?
[18:02] <gordonjcp> better than the Stone Roses' second single
[18:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Better than Battenburg cake
[18:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right. Time I started a slow amble toward to a night on the sauce...
[18:23] <brobostigon> i am looking for a way of backing up on ubuntu server, the world dir from minetest, and it doing said automatically, what is a good solution. ?
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: can you backup the world file of a running server without problems?
[18:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just tried manually, yes.
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: then I'd say some kind of rsync script/solution
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> dejadup is the Ubuntu default, but I've never used it
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> rsnapshot is OK but very picky about tabs in its config file
[18:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: a script may work, just automating copying the world dir out, into a backup folder.?
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> yes, but then you don't get multiple (Rolling) backups
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> so you can't fall back more than once
[18:33] <brobostigon> true point,
[18:43] <brobostigon> pmt@taylorworld:~/minetest$ rsync -azvv /home/pmt/minetest/world/ /home/pmt/world.backup/
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> watch out
[18:44] <brobostigon> that is what i have. after reading about rsync,
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> if the "source" part in rsync ends in a /, it will do something strange
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> rsync a/ b -> puts all files in "a" in "b"
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> rsync a b -> puts a directory called "a" (with a's contents) in b
[18:45] <brobostigon> hmm, ok.
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> does that make sense? :)
[18:45] <brobostigon> yes
[18:48] <ali1234> good grief this youtube thing is presented by george lamb
[19:03] <ali1234> brobostigon: rsync has a --dryrun switch
[19:03] <ali1234> or similar. just says what it is going to do. quite useful
[19:08] <brobostigon> ali1234: thank you, didnt read about that. :)
[19:38] <ali1234> wow...
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> the rsync manpage is LONG :)
[19:40] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/896872/
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: what do?
[19:40] <ali1234> it takes the last 10000 bytes of file A
[19:40] <ali1234> then finds their offset in file B
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> 1000?
[19:40] <ali1234> oh yeah 1000
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> yes.. \o/ python
[19:41] <ali1234> well, substring length doesn't matter
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> it's like grep
[19:41] <ali1234> what matters is a gave it two 2GB files and it completed in 4 seconds
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Vewy nice
[19:41] <ali1234> the match was exactly half way through as expected
[19:41] <ali1234> i didn't think it would be that fast
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Maybe the files are "hot" in cache?
[19:42] <ali1234> probably
[19:42] <ali1234> i have 16GB so basically any files is always cached after it has been read once
[19:43] <ali1234> i bet it will be slower when i write the concatenated file
[19:45] <ali1234> yeah i can increase the substring size to 100MB and it still takes 4 seconds
[19:45] <ali1234> and so this method is obviously valid for joining ripped flv streams :)
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:06] <directhex> hooray i got some decorating done
[20:09] <davmor2> directhex: you know the place is set to self destruct if you finish though right?
[20:11] <directhex> davmor2: yeah, like i'm gonna finish. five different paints, for the room! five!
[20:12] <davmor2> directhex: sadtrombone.com
[20:14] <directhex> tomorrow i start on paint 3 and possibly 5, depending on the time
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> MS-Paint?
[20:29] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/paintsupreme/
[20:29] <ali1234> if it was after the watershed i'd post a humorous video right about now
[20:30] <ali1234> but it's very nsfw
[20:30] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: or https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/kidspainter/
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: l'expensive
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://i.imgur.com/bzAVM.jpg
[20:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: paintsupreme isn't so bad and it's useful too
[20:32] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: that's not good that's 2 clockwork orange in 2 parts
[20:58] <ali1234> so... what are the odds that openshot will explode if i try to edit a 8 hour/8GB video file with it?
[20:58] <mgdm> evens at best
[21:01] <ali1234> do we have blu-ray authoring software on ubuntu?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> Does a VM with Windows count?
[21:02] <ali1234> no
[21:02] <diplo> evening all
[21:04] <ali1234> hmm i think i finally exceeded disk cache
[21:17] <davmor2> ali1234: technically no but I think it's partially on it's way
[21:34] <jacobw> hi
[21:36] <quackers> hi jacobw
[21:39] <popey> Evening all
[21:40] <quackers> o/ popey
[21:41] <bigcalm> Morning popey
[22:02] <Azelphur> gah, the Ubuntu package for conky is still borked :(
[22:03] <Azelphur> you'd think conky would have pushed a release lol
[22:03] <quackers> how so? is this for 12-04?
[22:03] <Azelphur> no, 11.10
[22:03] <Azelphur> execpi is broken :/
[22:03] <Azelphur> it puts ugly boxes all over the place
[22:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:03] <jacobw> that sounds like conky :p
[22:04] <quackers> I haven't checked 11-10 for a while. It was ok last time I looked
[22:04] <quackers> something changed then?
[22:04] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[22:04] <Azelphur> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3411610&group_id=143975&atid=757308 this bug :P
[22:06] <quackers> I use an adapted version of VinDSL's script and it has different sections for conky 1.8.0 and conky 1.8.1 in certain respects
[22:07] <popey> Azelphur: are you using unity or some other desktop?
[22:07] <Azelphur> popey: XFCE
[22:07] <popey> gotcha
[22:07] <popey> does it use compiz?
[22:07] <Azelphur> yea
[22:08] <popey> do me a favour.. install powertop
[22:08] <Azelphur> done
[22:08] <popey> sudo powertop, and wait for 30 seconds or so to see it settle
[22:08]  * Azelphur waits for settling
[22:08] <popey> second column, wakeups per second
[22:08] <popey> what do you see for compiz?
[22:09] <Azelphur> events/s category?
[22:09] <popey> yeah, the one thats just a number
[22:09] <Azelphur> 25.4
[22:09] <Azelphur> changed to 17.5
[22:09] <popey> nice
[22:09] <popey> 12.04?
[22:10] <Azelphur> 11.10
[22:10] <popey> k
[22:10] <popey> thanks
[22:10] <Azelphur> gone back up to 27.5 hehe
[22:11] <Azelphur> happen to know how I might check out 1.8.2 from conkys git? they bundle all the versions inside one git repo
[22:11] <Azelphur> they seem to have different heads \o/
[22:11] <popey> no, sorry
[22:11] <Azelphur> yay for git fun
[22:19] <directhex> popey: you're an evil apple user, right?
[22:19] <popey> yes
[22:19] <Azelphur> he sometimes wears devil horns and scares little children for fun
[22:20] <quackers> don't all Apple users do that?
[22:20] <Azelphur> indeed
[22:20] <directhex> popey: would you have a use for a £15 itunes gift card?
[22:20] <dwatkins> I don't
[22:21] <popey> i would, yes
[22:21] <popey> i can paypal you the cash
[22:21] <directhex> 'cos we're really unlikely to use this
[22:21] <popey> would be useful as a preseie for sophie
[22:21] <popey> now she has an ipod
[22:23] <popey> directhex: how much do you want for it? :D
[22:24] <directhex> popey: a sensible & fair value. you want the physical card posting, or just the redemption code from the back?
[22:26] <ali1234> i've still got that $34 on amazon.com gift balance, and they won't ship a kindle from .com store to the UK any more, so i need to get rid of that some how
[22:26] <bigcalm> Buy ebooks
[22:26] <bigcalm> Or musics
[22:27] <ali1234> i would if a knew how
[22:27] <directhex> porn!
[22:28] <ali1234> can i use that giftcard balance to pay for ec2 stuff?
[22:52] <ali1234> hmm... no cost limiting, terrible customer support, and it's really expensive... you know what? i think i'll give AWS a miss...
[22:53] <ali1234> can i run ubuntu on azure?
[22:53] <dwatkins> Is it not OS-agnostic, ali1234?
[22:54] <ali1234> i don't know?
[22:54] <ali1234> that's why i asked?
[22:55] <dwatkins> allegedly they are enabling linux this year
[22:55] <dwatkins> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-to-enable-linux-on-its-windows-azure-cloud-in-2012/11508
[22:56] <ali1234> i can handle "losing state" - so is it possible to do it today?
[22:56] <ali1234> what kind of virtualization do they use?
[22:56] <DJones> Heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v0FVm_H_D18
[23:01] <directhex> ali1234: microsoft? hyper-v
[23:12] <ali1234> hmm... are there any other providers at all that do what AWS does?
[23:14] <ali1234> rackspace seems to have something
[23:17] <dwatkins> what features are you looking for, ali1234?
[23:17] <ali1234> ability to use juju to manage virtual machines
[23:18] <ali1234> or at least the possibility of implementing it
[23:18] <ali1234> ie that means an API for uploading images and provisioning vm instances
[23:19] <ali1234> oh, and the ability to set a fixed cost limit
[23:21] <ali1234> basically i want to use juju, but i don't want to spend more than about $15-$20 per month
[23:26] <dwatkins> can you run your own virtual host with it?
[23:27] <ali1234> yes, if you buy a dedicated server
[23:27] <ali1234> but that costs more than $20/month
[23:27] <dwatkins> I mean a local machine
[23:27] <ali1234> yes, but then nobody else can access it
[23:27] <dwatkins> I can set ports to forward on my router
[23:27] <ali1234> i'm not hosting a website on my broadband
[23:28] <dwatkins> I could also take my server and place it in a server room on someone's DMZ
[23:28] <ali1234> again, that would cost more than $20/month
[23:28] <dwatkins> What do you want the server to do?
[23:28] <ali1234> run wordpress
[23:28] <ali1234> and maybe some collaboration software
[23:28] <ali1234> and perhaps a file server
[23:28] <dwatkins> how about an account on wordpress.com?
[23:29] <ali1234> no.
[23:29] <ali1234> i'd just get a VPS
[23:29] <dwatkins> yeah, unmanaged ones can be fairly cheap
[23:29] <ali1234> that *does* cost less than $20/month and can easily do everything i need
[23:31] <dwatkins> Something like http://vps.net/ ?
[23:31] <dwatkins> hmmm, perhaps not quite that cheap
[23:31] <ali1234> that isn't "real" cloud computing though
[23:31] <ali1234> i can't use it with juju. it's just regular VPS hosting
[23:31] <dwatkins> no, you probably have to pay more for proper clustering
[23:32] <ali1234> not really, actually
[23:32] <dwatkins> oh?
[23:32] <ali1234> on amazon i could get 2 or maybe 3 micro instances for about the same price as a VPS
[23:32] <dwatkins> well they have the economy of scale on their side, I assume
[23:32] <ali1234> but there's no way to limit bandwidth costs (you pay 12p per gigabyte)
[23:33] <dwatkins> ah ok
[23:33] <dwatkins> brb
[23:33] <ali1234> and their customer service is terrible
[23:33] <ali1234> so basically i want exactly what AWS offers for the same price, but run by someone that isn't amazon
[23:33] <AlanBell> sounds interesting
[23:33] <AlanBell> how would I go about offering that?
[23:33] <ali1234> well first i would get a few million in capital
[23:34] <AlanBell> yup, then what?
[23:34] <ali1234> then i'd hire someone to run it for me and take all the profit
[23:34]  * AlanBell moves to step 2
[23:34] <AlanBell> bypassing the inconvenient step1
[23:35] <AlanBell> juju can do lcx containers or something like that
[23:35] <ali1234> yeah but as previously stated that requires getting a dedi which is too expensive
[23:36] <AlanBell> yeah, but I have 4 of them and I am cool with getting more
[23:36] <AlanBell> I can see a potential opportunity to provide a kind of micro-amazon service here
[23:36] <ali1234> yes
[23:36] <AlanBell> they don't scale down enough
[23:37] <ali1234> AWS micro instances even is overkill for what i need
[23:37] <AlanBell> yup
[23:37] <ali1234> like i said on G+ i could run the 6 websites i run now on one micro
[23:37] <AlanBell> messing about with juju requires about 3 instances before you get off the ground
[23:37] <ali1234> yeah
[23:38] <AlanBell> to do anything remotely interesting you need to not be gasping at the wallet if you spin up 10 just because you feel like it
[23:40] <ali1234> the difference between juju/AWS and "what i need" is like the difference between a high end RAID and a cheap-ass JBOD
[23:41] <AlanBell> yeah, we might be able to be the cheep-ass JBOD providor you are looking for
[23:41] <ali1234> i need something that can corral a bunch of random homogenous servers
[23:42] <ali1234> *virtual servers
[23:42] <ali1234> or yeah, just cheaper and smaller instance provider :)
[23:42] <ali1234> but at the end of the day, if it's all running out of one dedi, is it really even worth it?
[23:43] <AlanBell> depends on the objective
[23:43] <AlanBell> if the objective is to run it on juju, then I guess so
[23:43] <ali1234> well i don'tjust want to run it for the sake of it
[23:43] <AlanBell> if the objective is to just run the damn thing then not really
[23:43] <ali1234> ease of deployment is one part of it
[23:45] <ali1234> the possibility of redeploying on bigger instances later is a good thing to have too
[23:45] <AlanBell> I will try to find out what might be involved in setting that kind of thing up
[23:45] <AlanBell> I can see an opportunity for a juju specific cloud service with a different pricing structure to amazon
[23:46] <ali1234> how would it be different?
[23:46] <AlanBell> dunno yet
[23:47] <ali1234> i really just need smaller slices, that's all
[23:47] <AlanBell> maybe just a single overall quota and a fixed monthly
[23:47] <ali1234> i don't mind if the cost is variable, i just want to be able to specify an absolute maximum limit :)
[23:47] <AlanBell> you have 100GB of storage, 4GB ram, run as many instances of whatever size you like within that
[23:47] <AlanBell> for example
[23:48] <AlanBell> what happens at the maximum limit? things get turned off?
[23:48] <ali1234> yeah
[23:48] <ali1234> or rate limited
[23:48] <dwatkins_> may I add you guys on G+
[23:48] <AlanBell> our bandwidth is all you can eat
[23:49] <AlanBell> up to a very silly limit
[23:49]  * dwatkins_ inserts a question mark somewhere in that sentence
[23:49] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts
[23:49] <dwatkins_> cheers AlanBell
[23:49] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts
[23:49] <AlanBell> https://plus.google.com/117044437831175918422/posts
[23:49] <ali1234> i don't post much :)
[23:50] <ali1234> and when i do it's just complaining
[23:50]  * dwatkins_ is https://plus.google.com/u/0/113887142977624814920/posts for the record
[23:50] <AlanBell> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5 these are the servers we use mostly
[23:51] <ali1234> AlanBell: heh, mer project uses those too... cos they need to run lxc for obs
[23:51] <ali1234> ok ok acronym overload
[23:51] <ali1234> obs = open build service, builds stuff in VMs... can't run it on a virtual server for that reason. pretty much same problem i have
[23:51] <AlanBell> right
[23:52] <AlanBell> currently we slice those servers up with KVM
[23:52] <AlanBell> customers get their system that runs, we don't specify the ram and disk space they purchase, it is just "enough"
[23:52] <AlanBell> if they need more ram we give them more ram etc
[23:53] <AlanBell> most are 1 or 2GB vms
[23:53] <ali1234> i really have no idea how popular this website is going to be... at all
[23:53] <AlanBell> up to about 10 per host
[23:54] <ali1234> but i suspect the answer is "not very"
[23:54] <AlanBell> generally we don't sell ourselves as a hosting providor, but we do provide hosting for our consultancy customers if they want
[23:54] <ali1234> so i'd like the ability to grow, but i definitely want to start out tiny
[23:54] <ali1234> a week ago i would have been happy to just get an unmanaged VPS and do it all myself
[23:55] <ali1234> but juju just looks so easy
[23:55] <AlanBell> wonder how many lcx containers will fit on 24GB of ram
[23:55] <ali1234> i'd guess a lot
[23:56] <AlanBell> bed time for me, night all o/
[23:56] <ali1234> night