| jrwren | tmux has an easy way to toggle the status bar. i haven't found one for screen :( | 01:18 |
|---|---|---|
| jrwren | ah, just as easy in gnuscreen, i guess i'm old byobu for a bit longer | 01:22 |
| jrwren | yay! | 01:24 |
| jrwren | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/560 | 01:24 |
| jrwren | i'm so happy :) | 01:24 |
| snap-l | https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/K8yXXAVRDNb | 02:28 |
| snap-l | Have to say I'm a little irritated by this | 02:29 |
| rick_h | jrwren: how do you hide the bar? | 02:56 |
| rick_h | morning | 11:01 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 11:55 |
| brousch | rick_h: did you watch this talk at pycon? http://pyvideo.org/video/632/scalability-at-youtube | 12:06 |
| rick_h | brousch: no, it sounded like not a ton of interesting bits | 12:06 |
| rick_h | any good? reviews coming out of it were really mixedc | 12:06 |
| brousch | ok. i'm wondering if it's a good one to point to when people say things like "python doesn't scale" | 12:06 |
| brousch | i haven't watched it yet | 12:07 |
| rick_h | yea, can't say on that | 12:08 |
| rick_h | honestly, just send them to me if they think it won't scale. they're nuts. all depends on your code and how you do your infrastructure | 12:08 |
| rick_h | such a loaded phrase...scales to what with what for what? | 12:09 |
| brousch | it'd be nice to have a pithy response like "youtube is python" | 12:10 |
| rick_h | you can do that | 12:13 |
| rick_h | and quroa is pylons, and mozilla sync is python | 12:14 |
| rick_h | actually all the new mozilla stuff is pyramid | 12:14 |
| snap-l | Launchpad is Python | 12:14 |
| snap-l | New sf.net is Python | 12:14 |
| rick_h | yea | 12:15 |
| snap-l | Mark Ramm said Turbogears was powering a porn site | 12:15 |
| brousch | sounds like it's time for a wtfhasobamadone.com-like web site | 12:15 |
| rick_h | yea, that was their most famous large scale site years ago | 12:16 |
| brousch | pythondoesntscale.com | 12:16 |
| snap-l | pythonwebscale | 12:16 |
| snap-l | and put a pixelated picture of a python on a scale | 12:17 |
| brousch | in a spider web? | 12:17 |
| snap-l | with a 32x32 transparent scaled-up gif of a spider web from geocities | 12:17 |
| brousch | pythoniswebscale.com | 12:21 |
| brousch | with short blurbs like "YouTube uses Python to handle a billion hours of videos uploads a day" | 12:22 |
| brousch | is GAE written in python? | 12:24 |
| rick_h | I don't think so, it's got python bindings/support, but I don't think the backend is python | 12:25 |
| rick_h | though you can say the first google search engine was written in python | 12:25 |
| brousch | anyways, another idea for the list. maybe i'll lightning talk it at pyohio and see who's interested | 12:25 |
| snap-l | Well, I expect the minimize button to die a death sometime soon | 12:27 |
| rick_h | heh, come on snap-l, when are you ready for tiling boot camp? | 12:27 |
| snap-l | because the younger crowd doesn't use it | 12:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Yeah, because if I'm going to change my workflow, I might as well do it wholesale. | 12:28 |
| rick_h | no one takes your toys away over here :) | 12:28 |
| brousch | snap-l: i didn't see what annoyed you in that thread | 12:29 |
| brousch | i very rarely minimize a window | 12:29 |
| snap-l | brousch: bunch of people who think the minimize button is redundant | 12:29 |
| snap-l | That's great, but there are people who do, myself included. | 12:30 |
| brousch | oh, they want to remove it? | 12:30 |
| brousch | i didn't read the whole thing | 12:30 |
| snap-l | I don't think so, but I could see the sentiment pushing it to that level | 12:30 |
| brousch | bah, who cares. it'll only happen in unity | 12:31 |
| snap-l | It's like my worst nightmare: fully maximized applications with no way to get them out of my face. | 12:31 |
| snap-l | I worked IT. That's how the secretaries worked | 12:32 |
| rick_h | I've been saying for a while now that wallpapers are deprecated :P | 12:32 |
| brousch | switch to a different workspace | 12:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: yes, because workspaces will save us all | 12:32 |
| snap-l | fuck me | 12:32 |
| snap-l | why not shove everything onto the floor | 12:32 |
| snap-l | hell, desks are deprecated, just crawl on the ground and move to your work | 12:32 |
| brousch | i work with 1 or 2 windows/desktop | 12:33 |
| brousch | when it's full, i go to another one | 12:34 |
| snap-l | I'm glad that works FOR YOU | 12:34 |
| snap-l | I like to put things away when I'm not using them | 12:34 |
| brousch | omg you are so old | 12:35 |
| snap-l | Yeah, and I like sharing too | 12:35 |
| rick_h | lol | 12:35 |
| snap-l | I remember full screen apps. They were called DOS apps | 12:35 |
| rick_h | you guys play nice | 12:35 |
| rick_h | back to the terminal! | 12:35 |
| brousch | minimizing is not putting things away | 12:35 |
| snap-l | brousch: It's getting things out of my sight | 12:36 |
| snap-l | and no, putting it on another workspace doesn't work for me | 12:36 |
| snap-l | It's the equivalent of shoving it onto the floor | 12:36 |
| brousch | on the floor everything is in one pile | 12:36 |
| snap-l | Yes, and on another workspace, it's another pile | 12:37 |
| brousch | it's more like having a ring of monitors around you and you swivel to look at which one you want | 12:37 |
| snap-l | Were it only so elegant | 12:38 |
| snap-l | So, I should have my openvpn window up all the time? | 12:38 |
| snap-l | or run it via nohup and have it logged? | 12:38 |
| snap-l | How about minimizing it, so I don't have to worry about it | 12:39 |
| brousch | eh? | 12:39 |
| brousch | i see minimization as an additional state i need to remember | 12:39 |
| snap-l | brousch: point being, I can minimize it, and it still runs and takes up no workspace at all | 12:39 |
| snap-l | I see workspaces in the same way | 12:40 |
| brousch | so not only is the program i want on some workspace, now i have to remember if it's showing or hidden on that workspace | 12:40 |
| brousch | i always have 10 workspaces, so it's not like they're a scarce resource | 12:41 |
| snap-l | I have 4, because that's what I get | 12:41 |
| brousch | use alt-1 to alt-0 to switch between them | 12:42 |
| snap-l | I really hope that some UX designer doesn't decide some part of your workflow is deprecated | 12:42 |
| brousch | snap-l: they did, which is why i'm using kde | 12:42 |
| snap-l | Maybe that's the answer | 12:42 |
| snap-l | instead of using a designed interface, just use one that was designed by a committe and thrown into a blender. | 12:43 |
| brousch | i use my gnome2 workflow, with menues where they're supposed to be and with a stable number of workspaces | 12:43 |
| brousch | designed by commitee implies that the committee picked one way to do something. kde is more like designed by everybody | 12:44 |
| brousch | however you want to do it, you can | 12:44 |
| snap-l | Well, it's not like I can run back to a mac, because they're changing shit over there too | 12:44 |
| snap-l | GET OFF MY DESKTOP YOU DAMN KIDS | 12:45 |
| brousch | that's my point. you can make kde use whatever workflow you want | 12:46 |
| brousch | you can use one workspace like windows and minimize all your applications | 12:46 |
| snap-l | brousch: but can it keep me from throwing up in my mouth | 12:46 |
| snap-l | because everytime I use KDE, that's where my lunch heads. | 12:46 |
| brousch | and then you can set the panel to show those minimized windows in many different ways to help you pick the right one | 12:47 |
| brousch | i like the oxygen theme | 12:47 |
| brousch | kind of a grayscale theme | 12:47 |
| jrwren | rick_h: "caption splitonly" "hardstatus ignore" | 13:31 |
| jrwren | hides the byobu bar in screen. | 13:31 |
| jrwren | i bound it to h for hide. | 13:31 |
| jrwren | then for unhide i bound to H "caption always" "hardstatus alwayslastline" | 13:31 |
| jrwren | who says python doesn'ts scale? | 13:32 |
| snap-l | People who should know better, I'm assuming | 13:33 |
| snap-l | God, I'm becoming rick_h | 13:36 |
| _Marcus | I know Michigan is right next to Canada, but why is the "All About Us" link ur1.ca? | 13:36 |
| rick_h | ruh roh | 13:36 |
| snap-l | using the split function of tmux to run watch pep8 *.py, and editing in the bottom split | 13:36 |
| snap-l | _Marcus: It's a URL shortener run by a person we trust | 13:37 |
| _Marcus | Oh | 13:37 |
| snap-l | Evan Prodromeau, who is based out of Canada | 13:37 |
| snap-l | Quebec, I believe | 13:37 |
| jrwren | snap-l: why not pyflakes? | 13:38 |
| snap-l | pyflakes doesn't show pep8 errors | 13:38 |
| jrwren | yes it does. | 13:39 |
| snap-l | in vim? | 13:39 |
| rick_h | not all, | 13:39 |
| rick_h | you need to run both | 13:39 |
| jrwren | what? | 13:39 |
| jrwren | that is opposite of what i read. | 13:39 |
| rick_h | pyflakes doesn't so thing like spacing issues, etc | 13:39 |
| rick_h | I run both, on my build server for just this reason | 13:39 |
| jrwren | pyflakes-vim ? | 13:40 |
| rick_h | that's why there's a thing called flake8 that tries to do both | 13:40 |
| rick_h | but hacky, since it includes both source files | 13:40 |
| rick_h | :/ | 13:40 |
| jrwren | oh wow, pyflakes-vim is dead... long live syntastic | 13:41 |
| rick_h | yea, but I've not gotten that to run right yet | 13:41 |
| snap-l | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2441 | 13:42 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Not dead, afaict | 13:42 |
| rick_h | snap-l: yea, it's pretty dead, author isn't messing with it any more | 13:42 |
| jrwren | snap-l: that page is dead with link to github | 13:45 |
| jrwren | github readme says it dead with link to syntastic | 13:45 |
| jrwren | snap-l: you can read, right? ;p | 13:45 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Don't confuse me with facts | 13:46 |
| jrwren | snap-l the republican | 13:46 |
| snap-l | The only thing i read on those pages is "how do I download" | 13:46 |
| snap-l | I prefer to think of myself as an independent idiot. ;) | 13:47 |
| jrwren | lol. | 13:48 |
| snap-l | And now I think it's time for Pathogen | 13:51 |
| rick_h | yea, pathogen ftw | 13:51 |
| snap-l | Oh, awesome... Squeezebox managed to pick a very soothing background piece of electronica | 14:28 |
| snap-l | didn't realize it. :) | 14:28 |
| snap-l | like sonic furniture | 14:28 |
| snap-l | http://magnatune.com/artists/rildrim | 14:29 |
| snap-l | Dreamed Rules was the album I was listening to | 14:30 |
| snap-l | I know this is likely a moot point, but it appears most of the annoying twits have left identi.ca | 14:35 |
| snap-l | They're moving to diaspora or Google Plus instead. | 14:35 |
| snap-l | OK, I <3 Syntactic | 14:42 |
| snap-l | has already helped me clean up dead variables. | 14:42 |
| rick_h | does it work right for you? gumble | 14:42 |
| snap-l | You have to install pyflakes separately. | 14:43 |
| snap-l | or pylint / flake 8, etc | 14:43 |
| rick_h | yea, did that | 14:43 |
| rick_h | ok, well I'll give it another go sometime. I ended up just keeping my pyflakes fork | 14:43 |
| snap-l | Check your bundle directory to see if git didn't eat it | 14:43 |
| snap-l | if you cloned from git, it'll have it's own .git directory | 14:44 |
| rick_h | I think I just installed it, pip style | 14:44 |
| snap-l | and that really makes other gits jealous | 14:44 |
| snap-l | Not sure how it works with virtualenvs | 14:44 |
| rick_h | yea, you have to install in each venv, been doing that with pep8/pyflakes | 14:44 |
| snap-l | I installed pyflakes system-wide. | 14:44 |
| snap-l | apt-get | 14:45 |
| === _Marcus is now known as _NotMarcus | ||
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| === _Marcus is now known as `Marcus | ||
| === _Marcus is now known as `Marcus | ||
| === `Marcus is now known as _Marcus | ||
| snap-l | Alright, which one of you sold your Apple stock? http://www.cnbc.com/id/46835129 | 16:18 |
| * ColonelPanic001 lights a cigar with a $100 bill | 16:21 | |
| ColonelPanic001 | no I, of course. | 16:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | if it were me, I could have afforded to type "not" properly. | 16:21 |
| snap-l | You cold have had your butler do spell checking | 16:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | exactly. | 16:21 |
| snap-l | http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/contests/whats-the-most-valuable-lesson-youve-ever-learned/ <- Is it just me, or does the first three sentences of this article sound like it needs to be delivered with skinny jeans and an attitude? | 16:36 |
| snap-l | "No, not an eBook, there’s no Kindle edition and you can’t read it on your iPad" which means, essentially, fuck you. | 16:37 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I know better than you how you should consume information most efficiently, which is why I'm a designer in the first place, I know better than everyone. Can't you tell by my macbook air and $8 espresso I'm holding? | 16:40 |
| snap-l | "The most valuable lesson I’ve learned? Keeping the customer satisfied, even if that means making a PDF, eBook, Kindle, or iPad version of your hipster design manual." | 16:40 |
| tjagoda | bah | 16:53 |
| tjagoda | my gtalk is vomiting errors | 16:53 |
| tjagoda | FFFUUUU GOOOGGGLLLEEEE | 16:53 |
| brousch | wow, greg-g with another grumpy old man quote | 17:35 |
| brousch | i'm gonna chalk it up to lack of sleep due to baby | 17:35 |
| rick_h | hah | 17:35 |
| greg-g | brousch: :) Carrie and I have noticed we both got a ton more cynical lately | 17:53 |
| rick_h | that wont' get any better :) | 17:59 |
| brousch | sure it will | 18:00 |
| brousch | once the child sleeps for 8 hours most nights | 18:00 |
| rick_h | naw, then you're cynical about more things | 18:02 |
| rick_h | other parents, non parents, day care, how kids play at the playground, you get all kinds of things to get cynical about | 18:03 |
| greg-g | yeah, we'll see :) | 18:03 |
| snap-l | http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/angelight-shamansity/ <- I have a hard time taking this album seriously | 20:06 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I haven't been on Magnatune in ages | 20:07 |
| _Marcus | Hey, you're name is like that drink. I just noticed that | 20:07 |
| snap-l | _Marcus: Hey, your name is like a Roman Emperor. ;) | 20:08 |
| _Marcus | :) | 20:08 |
| snap-l | But yes, it's a nick that I've used for about 20 years now | 20:08 |
| _Marcus | That's 1992. Snapple was introduced in 1972 | 20:09 |
| snap-l | yes, and it was during a period when I drank a lot of Snapple Iced Tea | 20:10 |
| snap-l | Actually, more like 17 years | 20:10 |
| _Marcus | Lol | 20:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | my name is like that message you get when /boot is on an reiserfs partition and you recompile your kernel without reiserfs. | 20:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | at least, that's the only time I remember seeing it myself | 20:34 |
| _Marcus | My name is like that one that I was given after birth | 20:35 |
| ColonelPanic001 | pft | 20:36 |
| snap-l | gah, had someone try to ssh into my system | 20:36 |
| snap-l | Just turned off ssh port forwarding. | 20:36 |
| brousch | that was me trying to pirate your CC music collection | 20:40 |
| snap-l | heh | 20:41 |
| _Marcus | snap-l: How do you access it without SSH? | 21:05 |
| Blazeix | telnet | 21:38 |
| jrwren | o-O | 21:44 |
| jrwren | why would you turn off ... oh... you stopped forwarding 22, not turned off ssh port forwarding. | 21:44 |
| jrwren | sounded like you AllowTcpForwarding=no | 21:45 |
| jrwren | which would be silly ;) | 21:45 |
| greg-g | WHOA! I just opened a PDF in Fx Nightly and it used pdf.js to show it in-browser! | 22:21 |
| jrwren | cool. | 22:26 |
| jrwren | what is Fx Nightly? | 22:26 |
| jrwren | Aurora ? | 22:27 |
| greg-g | uh.... I forget, I use a PPA | 22:28 |
| snap-l | Well, I'm on the local machine, so I don't need ssh for now | 23:46 |
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