[01:18] <jrwren> tmux has an easy way to toggle the status bar. i haven't found one for screen :(
[01:22] <jrwren> ah, just as easy in gnuscreen, i guess i'm old byobu for a bit longer
[01:24] <jrwren> yay!
[01:24] <jrwren> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/560
[01:24] <jrwren> i'm so happy :)
[02:28] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/K8yXXAVRDNb
[02:29] <snap-l> Have to say I'm a little irritated by this
[02:56] <rick_h> jrwren: how do you hide the bar?
[11:01] <rick_h> morning
[11:55] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:06] <brousch> rick_h: did you watch this talk at pycon? http://pyvideo.org/video/632/scalability-at-youtube
[12:06] <rick_h> brousch: no, it sounded like not a ton of interesting bits
[12:06] <rick_h> any good? reviews coming out of it were really mixedc
[12:06] <brousch> ok. i'm wondering if it's a good one to point to when people say things like "python doesn't scale"
[12:07] <brousch> i haven't watched it yet
[12:08] <rick_h> yea, can't say on that
[12:08] <rick_h> honestly, just send them to me if they think it won't scale. they're nuts. all depends on your code and how you do your infrastructure
[12:09] <rick_h> such a loaded phrase...scales to what with what for what?
[12:10] <brousch> it'd be nice to have a pithy response like "youtube is python"
[12:13] <rick_h> you can do that
[12:14] <rick_h> and quroa is pylons, and mozilla sync is python
[12:14] <rick_h> actually all the new mozilla stuff is pyramid
[12:14] <snap-l> Launchpad is Python
[12:14] <snap-l> New sf.net is Python
[12:15] <rick_h> yea
[12:15] <snap-l> Mark Ramm said Turbogears was powering a porn site
[12:15] <brousch> sounds like it's time for a wtfhasobamadone.com-like web site
[12:16] <rick_h> yea, that was their most famous large scale site years ago
[12:16] <brousch> pythondoesntscale.com
[12:16] <snap-l> pythonwebscale
[12:17] <snap-l> and put a pixelated picture of a python on a scale
[12:17] <brousch> in a spider web?
[12:17] <snap-l> with a 32x32 transparent scaled-up gif of a spider web from geocities
[12:21] <brousch> pythoniswebscale.com
[12:22] <brousch> with short blurbs like "YouTube uses Python to handle a billion hours of videos uploads a day"
[12:24] <brousch> is GAE written in python?
[12:25] <rick_h> I don't think so, it's got python bindings/support, but I don't think the backend is python
[12:25] <rick_h> though you can say the first google search engine was written in python
[12:25] <brousch> anyways, another idea for the list. maybe i'll lightning talk it at pyohio and see who's interested
[12:27] <snap-l> Well, I expect the minimize button to die a death sometime soon
[12:27] <rick_h> heh, come on snap-l, when are you ready for tiling boot camp?
[12:28] <snap-l> because the younger crowd doesn't use it
[12:28] <snap-l> rick_h: Yeah, because if I'm going to change my workflow, I might as well do it wholesale.
[12:28] <rick_h> no one takes your toys away over here :)
[12:29] <brousch> snap-l: i didn't see what annoyed you in that thread
[12:29] <brousch> i very rarely minimize a window
[12:29] <snap-l> brousch: bunch of people who think the minimize button is redundant
[12:30] <snap-l> That's great, but there are people who do, myself included.
[12:30] <brousch> oh, they want to remove it?
[12:30] <brousch> i didn't read the whole thing
[12:30] <snap-l> I don't think so, but I could see the sentiment pushing it to that level
[12:31] <brousch> bah, who cares. it'll only happen in unity
[12:31] <snap-l> It's like my worst nightmare: fully maximized applications with no way to get them out of my face.
[12:32] <snap-l> I worked IT. That's how the secretaries worked
[12:32] <rick_h> I've been saying for a while now that wallpapers are deprecated :P
[12:32] <brousch> switch to a different workspace
[12:32] <snap-l> brousch: yes, because workspaces will save us all
[12:32] <snap-l> fuck me
[12:32] <snap-l> why not shove everything onto the floor
[12:32] <snap-l> hell, desks are deprecated, just crawl on the ground and move to your work
[12:33] <brousch> i work with 1 or 2 windows/desktop
[12:34] <brousch> when it's full, i go to another one
[12:34] <snap-l> I'm glad that works FOR YOU
[12:34] <snap-l> I like to put things away when I'm not using them
[12:35] <brousch> omg you are so old
[12:35] <snap-l> Yeah, and I like sharing too
[12:35] <rick_h> lol
[12:35] <snap-l> I remember full screen apps. They were called DOS apps
[12:35] <rick_h> you guys play nice
[12:35] <rick_h> back to the terminal!
[12:35] <brousch> minimizing is not putting things away
[12:36] <snap-l> brousch: It's getting things out of my sight
[12:36] <snap-l> and no, putting it on another workspace doesn't work for me
[12:36] <snap-l> It's the equivalent of shoving it onto the floor
[12:36] <brousch> on the floor everything is in one pile
[12:37] <snap-l> Yes, and on another workspace, it's another pile
[12:37] <brousch> it's more like having a ring of monitors around you and you swivel to look at which one you want
[12:38] <snap-l> Were it only so elegant
[12:38] <snap-l> So, I should have my openvpn window up all the time?
[12:38] <snap-l> or run it via nohup and have it logged?
[12:39] <snap-l> How about minimizing it, so I don't have to worry about it
[12:39] <brousch> eh?
[12:39] <brousch> i see minimization as an additional state i need to remember
[12:39] <snap-l> brousch: point being, I can minimize it, and it still runs and takes up no workspace at all
[12:40] <snap-l> I see workspaces in the same way
[12:40] <brousch> so not only is the program i want on some workspace, now i have to remember if it's showing or hidden on that workspace
[12:41] <brousch> i always have 10 workspaces, so it's not like they're a scarce resource
[12:41] <snap-l> I have 4, because that's what I get
[12:42] <brousch> use alt-1 to alt-0 to switch between them
[12:42] <snap-l> I really hope that some UX designer doesn't decide some part of your workflow is deprecated
[12:42] <brousch> snap-l: they did, which is why i'm using kde
[12:42] <snap-l> Maybe that's the answer
[12:43] <snap-l> instead of using a designed interface, just use one that was designed by a committe and thrown into a blender.
[12:43] <brousch> i use my gnome2 workflow, with menues where they're supposed to be and with a stable number of workspaces
[12:44] <brousch> designed by commitee implies that the committee picked one way to do something. kde is more like designed by everybody
[12:44] <brousch> however you want to do it, you can
[12:44] <snap-l> Well, it's not like I can run back to a mac, because they're changing shit over there too
[12:45] <snap-l> GET OFF MY DESKTOP YOU DAMN KIDS
[12:46] <brousch> that's my point. you can make kde use whatever workflow you want
[12:46] <brousch> you can use one workspace like windows and minimize all your applications
[12:46] <snap-l> brousch: but can it keep me from throwing up in my mouth
[12:46] <snap-l> because everytime I use KDE, that's where my lunch heads.
[12:47] <brousch> and then you can set the panel to show those minimized windows in many different ways to help you pick the right one
[12:47] <brousch> i like the oxygen theme
[12:47] <brousch> kind of a grayscale theme
[13:31] <jrwren> rick_h: "caption splitonly" "hardstatus ignore"
[13:31] <jrwren> hides the byobu bar in screen.
[13:31] <jrwren> i bound it to h for hide.
[13:31] <jrwren> then for unhide i bound to H "caption always"    "hardstatus alwayslastline"
[13:32] <jrwren> who says python doesn'ts scale?
[13:33] <snap-l> People who should know better, I'm assuming
[13:36] <snap-l> God, I'm becoming rick_h
[13:36] <_Marcus> I know Michigan is right next to Canada, but why is the "All About Us" link ur1.ca?
[13:36] <rick_h> ruh roh
[13:36] <snap-l> using the split function of tmux to run watch pep8 *.py, and editing in the bottom split
[13:37] <snap-l> _Marcus: It's a URL shortener run by a person we trust
[13:37] <_Marcus> Oh
[13:37] <snap-l> Evan Prodromeau, who is based out of Canada
[13:37] <snap-l> Quebec, I believe
[13:38] <jrwren> snap-l: why not pyflakes?
[13:38] <snap-l> pyflakes doesn't show pep8 errors
[13:39] <jrwren> yes it does.
[13:39] <snap-l> in vim?
[13:39] <rick_h> not all,
[13:39] <rick_h> you need to run both
[13:39] <jrwren> what?
[13:39] <jrwren> that is opposite of what i read.
[13:39] <rick_h> pyflakes doesn't so thing like spacing issues, etc
[13:39] <rick_h> I run both, on my build server for just this reason
[13:40] <jrwren> pyflakes-vim ?
[13:40] <rick_h> that's why there's a thing called flake8 that tries to do both
[13:40] <rick_h> but hacky, since it includes both source files
[13:40] <rick_h> :/
[13:41] <jrwren> oh wow, pyflakes-vim is dead... long live syntastic
[13:41] <rick_h> yea, but I've not gotten that to run right yet
[13:42] <snap-l> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2441
[13:42] <snap-l> jrwren: Not dead, afaict
[13:42] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, it's pretty dead, author isn't messing with it any more
[13:45] <jrwren> snap-l: that page is dead with link to github
[13:45] <jrwren> github readme says it dead with link to syntastic
[13:45] <jrwren> snap-l: you can read, right?  ;p
[13:46] <snap-l> jrwren: Don't confuse me with facts
[13:46] <jrwren> snap-l the republican
[13:46] <snap-l> The only thing i read on those pages is "how do I download"
[13:47] <snap-l> I prefer to think of myself as an independent idiot. ;)
[13:48] <jrwren> lol.
[13:51] <snap-l> And now I think it's time for Pathogen
[13:51] <rick_h> yea, pathogen ftw
[14:28] <snap-l> Oh, awesome... Squeezebox managed to pick a very soothing background piece of electronica
[14:28] <snap-l> didn't realize it. :)
[14:28] <snap-l> like sonic furniture
[14:29] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/rildrim
[14:30] <snap-l> Dreamed Rules was the album I was listening to
[14:35] <snap-l> I know this is likely a moot point, but it appears most of the annoying twits have left identi.ca
[14:35] <snap-l> They're moving to diaspora or Google Plus instead.
[14:42] <snap-l> OK, I <3 Syntactic
[14:42] <snap-l> has already helped me clean up dead variables.
[14:42] <rick_h> does it work right for you? gumble
[14:43] <snap-l> You have to install pyflakes separately.
[14:43] <snap-l> or pylint / flake 8, etc
[14:43] <rick_h> yea, did that
[14:43] <rick_h> ok, well I'll give it another go sometime. I ended up just keeping my pyflakes fork
[14:43] <snap-l> Check your bundle directory to see if git didn't eat it
[14:44] <snap-l> if you cloned from git, it'll have it's own .git directory
[14:44] <rick_h> I think I just installed it, pip style
[14:44] <snap-l> and that really makes other gits jealous
[14:44] <snap-l> Not sure how it works with virtualenvs
[14:44] <rick_h> yea, you have to install in each venv, been doing that with pep8/pyflakes
[14:44] <snap-l> I installed pyflakes system-wide.
[14:45] <snap-l> apt-get
[16:18] <snap-l> Alright, which one of you sold your Apple stock? http://www.cnbc.com/id/46835129
[16:21]  * ColonelPanic001 lights a cigar with a $100 bill
[16:21] <ColonelPanic001> no I, of course.
[16:21] <ColonelPanic001> if it were me, I could have afforded to type "not" properly.
[16:21] <snap-l> You cold have had your butler do spell checking
[16:21] <ColonelPanic001> exactly.
[16:36] <snap-l> http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/contests/whats-the-most-valuable-lesson-youve-ever-learned/ <- Is it just me, or does the first three sentences of this article sound like it needs to be delivered with skinny jeans and an attitude?
[16:37] <snap-l> "No, not an eBook, there’s no Kindle edition and you can’t read it on your iPad" which means, essentially, fuck you.
[16:40] <greg-g> snap-l: I know better than you how you should consume information most efficiently, which is why I'm a designer in the first place, I know better than everyone. Can't you tell by my macbook air and $8 espresso I'm holding?
[16:40] <snap-l> "The most valuable lesson I’ve learned? Keeping the customer satisfied, even if that means making a PDF, eBook, Kindle, or iPad version of your hipster design manual."
[16:53] <tjagoda> bah
[16:53] <tjagoda> my gtalk is vomiting errors
[16:53] <tjagoda> FFFUUUU GOOOGGGLLLEEEE
[17:35] <brousch> wow, greg-g with another grumpy old man quote
[17:35] <brousch> i'm gonna chalk it up to lack of sleep due to baby
[17:35] <rick_h> hah
[17:53] <greg-g> brousch: :) Carrie and I have noticed we both got a ton more cynical lately
[17:59] <rick_h> that wont' get any better :)
[18:00] <brousch> sure it will
[18:00] <brousch> once the child sleeps for 8 hours most nights
[18:02] <rick_h> naw, then you're cynical about more things
[18:03] <rick_h> other parents, non parents, day care, how kids play at the playground, you get all kinds of things to get cynical about
[18:03] <greg-g> yeah, we'll see :)
[20:06] <snap-l> http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/angelight-shamansity/ <- I have a hard time taking this album seriously
[20:07] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't been on Magnatune in ages
[20:07] <_Marcus> Hey, you're name is like that drink. I just noticed that
[20:08] <snap-l> _Marcus: Hey, your name is like a Roman Emperor. ;)
[20:08] <_Marcus> :)
[20:08] <snap-l> But yes, it's a nick that I've used for about 20 years now
[20:09] <_Marcus> That's 1992. Snapple was introduced in 1972
[20:10] <snap-l> yes, and it was during a period when I drank a lot of Snapple Iced Tea
[20:10] <snap-l> Actually, more like 17 years
[20:10] <_Marcus> Lol
[20:34] <ColonelPanic001> my name is like that message you get when /boot is on an reiserfs partition and you recompile your kernel without reiserfs.
[20:34] <ColonelPanic001> at least, that's the only time I remember seeing it myself
[20:35] <_Marcus> My name is like that one that I was given after birth
[20:36] <ColonelPanic001> pft
[20:36] <snap-l> gah, had someone try to ssh into my system
[20:36] <snap-l> Just turned off ssh port forwarding.
[20:40] <brousch> that was me trying to pirate your CC music collection
[20:41] <snap-l> heh
[21:05] <_Marcus> snap-l: How do you access it without SSH?
[21:38] <Blazeix> telnet
[21:44] <jrwren> o-O
[21:44] <jrwren> why would you turn off ... oh... you stopped forwarding 22, not turned off ssh port forwarding.
[21:45] <jrwren> sounded like you AllowTcpForwarding=no
[21:45] <jrwren> which would be silly ;)
[22:21] <greg-g> WHOA! I just opened a PDF in Fx Nightly and it used pdf.js to show it in-browser!
[22:26] <jrwren> cool.
[22:26] <jrwren> what is Fx Nightly?
[22:27] <jrwren> Aurora ?
[22:28] <greg-g> uh.... I forget, I use a PPA
[23:46] <snap-l> Well, I'm on the local machine, so I don't need ssh for now