[01:18] tmux has an easy way to toggle the status bar. i haven't found one for screen :( [01:22] ah, just as easy in gnuscreen, i guess i'm old byobu for a bit longer [01:24] yay! [01:24] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/560 [01:24] i'm so happy :) [02:28] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/K8yXXAVRDNb [02:29] Have to say I'm a little irritated by this [02:56] jrwren: how do you hide the bar? [11:01] morning [11:55] Good morning [12:06] rick_h: did you watch this talk at pycon? http://pyvideo.org/video/632/scalability-at-youtube [12:06] brousch: no, it sounded like not a ton of interesting bits [12:06] any good? reviews coming out of it were really mixedc [12:06] ok. i'm wondering if it's a good one to point to when people say things like "python doesn't scale" [12:07] i haven't watched it yet [12:08] yea, can't say on that [12:08] honestly, just send them to me if they think it won't scale. they're nuts. all depends on your code and how you do your infrastructure [12:09] such a loaded phrase...scales to what with what for what? [12:10] it'd be nice to have a pithy response like "youtube is python" [12:13] you can do that [12:14] and quroa is pylons, and mozilla sync is python [12:14] actually all the new mozilla stuff is pyramid [12:14] Launchpad is Python [12:14] New sf.net is Python [12:15] yea [12:15] Mark Ramm said Turbogears was powering a porn site [12:15] sounds like it's time for a wtfhasobamadone.com-like web site [12:16] yea, that was their most famous large scale site years ago [12:16] pythondoesntscale.com [12:16] pythonwebscale [12:17] and put a pixelated picture of a python on a scale [12:17] in a spider web? [12:17] with a 32x32 transparent scaled-up gif of a spider web from geocities [12:21] pythoniswebscale.com [12:22] with short blurbs like "YouTube uses Python to handle a billion hours of videos uploads a day" [12:24] is GAE written in python? [12:25] I don't think so, it's got python bindings/support, but I don't think the backend is python [12:25] though you can say the first google search engine was written in python [12:25] anyways, another idea for the list. maybe i'll lightning talk it at pyohio and see who's interested [12:27] Well, I expect the minimize button to die a death sometime soon [12:27] heh, come on snap-l, when are you ready for tiling boot camp? [12:28] because the younger crowd doesn't use it [12:28] rick_h: Yeah, because if I'm going to change my workflow, I might as well do it wholesale. [12:28] no one takes your toys away over here :) [12:29] snap-l: i didn't see what annoyed you in that thread [12:29] i very rarely minimize a window [12:29] brousch: bunch of people who think the minimize button is redundant [12:30] That's great, but there are people who do, myself included. [12:30] oh, they want to remove it? [12:30] i didn't read the whole thing [12:30] I don't think so, but I could see the sentiment pushing it to that level [12:31] bah, who cares. it'll only happen in unity [12:31] It's like my worst nightmare: fully maximized applications with no way to get them out of my face. [12:32] I worked IT. That's how the secretaries worked [12:32] I've been saying for a while now that wallpapers are deprecated :P [12:32] switch to a different workspace [12:32] brousch: yes, because workspaces will save us all [12:32] fuck me [12:32] why not shove everything onto the floor [12:32] hell, desks are deprecated, just crawl on the ground and move to your work [12:33] i work with 1 or 2 windows/desktop [12:34] when it's full, i go to another one [12:34] I'm glad that works FOR YOU [12:34] I like to put things away when I'm not using them [12:35] omg you are so old [12:35] Yeah, and I like sharing too [12:35] lol [12:35] I remember full screen apps. They were called DOS apps [12:35] you guys play nice [12:35] back to the terminal! [12:35] minimizing is not putting things away [12:36] brousch: It's getting things out of my sight [12:36] and no, putting it on another workspace doesn't work for me [12:36] It's the equivalent of shoving it onto the floor [12:36] on the floor everything is in one pile [12:37] Yes, and on another workspace, it's another pile [12:37] it's more like having a ring of monitors around you and you swivel to look at which one you want [12:38] Were it only so elegant [12:38] So, I should have my openvpn window up all the time? [12:38] or run it via nohup and have it logged? [12:39] How about minimizing it, so I don't have to worry about it [12:39] eh? [12:39] i see minimization as an additional state i need to remember [12:39] brousch: point being, I can minimize it, and it still runs and takes up no workspace at all [12:40] I see workspaces in the same way [12:40] so not only is the program i want on some workspace, now i have to remember if it's showing or hidden on that workspace [12:41] i always have 10 workspaces, so it's not like they're a scarce resource [12:41] I have 4, because that's what I get [12:42] use alt-1 to alt-0 to switch between them [12:42] I really hope that some UX designer doesn't decide some part of your workflow is deprecated [12:42] snap-l: they did, which is why i'm using kde [12:42] Maybe that's the answer [12:43] instead of using a designed interface, just use one that was designed by a committe and thrown into a blender. [12:43] i use my gnome2 workflow, with menues where they're supposed to be and with a stable number of workspaces [12:44] designed by commitee implies that the committee picked one way to do something. kde is more like designed by everybody [12:44] however you want to do it, you can [12:44] Well, it's not like I can run back to a mac, because they're changing shit over there too [12:45] GET OFF MY DESKTOP YOU DAMN KIDS [12:46] that's my point. you can make kde use whatever workflow you want [12:46] you can use one workspace like windows and minimize all your applications [12:46] brousch: but can it keep me from throwing up in my mouth [12:46] because everytime I use KDE, that's where my lunch heads. [12:47] and then you can set the panel to show those minimized windows in many different ways to help you pick the right one [12:47] i like the oxygen theme [12:47] kind of a grayscale theme [13:31] rick_h: "caption splitonly" "hardstatus ignore" [13:31] hides the byobu bar in screen. [13:31] i bound it to h for hide. [13:31] then for unhide i bound to H "caption always" "hardstatus alwayslastline" [13:32] who says python doesn'ts scale? [13:33] People who should know better, I'm assuming [13:36] God, I'm becoming rick_h [13:36] <_Marcus> I know Michigan is right next to Canada, but why is the "All About Us" link ur1.ca? [13:36] ruh roh [13:36] using the split function of tmux to run watch pep8 *.py, and editing in the bottom split [13:37] _Marcus: It's a URL shortener run by a person we trust [13:37] <_Marcus> Oh [13:37] Evan Prodromeau, who is based out of Canada [13:37] Quebec, I believe [13:38] snap-l: why not pyflakes? [13:38] pyflakes doesn't show pep8 errors [13:39] yes it does. [13:39] in vim? [13:39] not all, [13:39] you need to run both [13:39] what? [13:39] that is opposite of what i read. [13:39] pyflakes doesn't so thing like spacing issues, etc [13:39] I run both, on my build server for just this reason [13:40] pyflakes-vim ? [13:40] that's why there's a thing called flake8 that tries to do both [13:40] but hacky, since it includes both source files [13:40] :/ [13:41] oh wow, pyflakes-vim is dead... long live syntastic [13:41] yea, but I've not gotten that to run right yet [13:42] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2441 [13:42] jrwren: Not dead, afaict [13:42] snap-l: yea, it's pretty dead, author isn't messing with it any more [13:45] snap-l: that page is dead with link to github [13:45] github readme says it dead with link to syntastic [13:45] snap-l: you can read, right? ;p [13:46] jrwren: Don't confuse me with facts [13:46] snap-l the republican [13:46] The only thing i read on those pages is "how do I download" [13:47] I prefer to think of myself as an independent idiot. ;) [13:48] lol. [13:51] And now I think it's time for Pathogen [13:51] yea, pathogen ftw [14:28] Oh, awesome... Squeezebox managed to pick a very soothing background piece of electronica [14:28] didn't realize it. :) [14:28] like sonic furniture [14:29] http://magnatune.com/artists/rildrim [14:30] Dreamed Rules was the album I was listening to [14:35] I know this is likely a moot point, but it appears most of the annoying twits have left identi.ca [14:35] They're moving to diaspora or Google Plus instead. [14:42] OK, I <3 Syntactic [14:42] has already helped me clean up dead variables. [14:42] does it work right for you? gumble [14:43] You have to install pyflakes separately. [14:43] or pylint / flake 8, etc [14:43] yea, did that [14:43] ok, well I'll give it another go sometime. I ended up just keeping my pyflakes fork [14:43] Check your bundle directory to see if git didn't eat it [14:44] if you cloned from git, it'll have it's own .git directory [14:44] I think I just installed it, pip style [14:44] and that really makes other gits jealous [14:44] Not sure how it works with virtualenvs [14:44] yea, you have to install in each venv, been doing that with pep8/pyflakes [14:44] I installed pyflakes system-wide. [14:45] apt-get === _Marcus is now known as _NotMarcus === _NotMarcus is now known as _Marcus === _Marcus is now known as `Marcus === _Marcus is now known as `Marcus === `Marcus is now known as _Marcus [16:18] Alright, which one of you sold your Apple stock? http://www.cnbc.com/id/46835129 [16:21] * ColonelPanic001 lights a cigar with a $100 bill [16:21] no I, of course. [16:21] if it were me, I could have afforded to type "not" properly. [16:21] You cold have had your butler do spell checking [16:21] exactly. [16:36] http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/contests/whats-the-most-valuable-lesson-youve-ever-learned/ <- Is it just me, or does the first three sentences of this article sound like it needs to be delivered with skinny jeans and an attitude? [16:37] "No, not an eBook, there’s no Kindle edition and you can’t read it on your iPad" which means, essentially, fuck you. [16:40] snap-l: I know better than you how you should consume information most efficiently, which is why I'm a designer in the first place, I know better than everyone. Can't you tell by my macbook air and $8 espresso I'm holding? [16:40] "The most valuable lesson I’ve learned? Keeping the customer satisfied, even if that means making a PDF, eBook, Kindle, or iPad version of your hipster design manual." [16:53] bah [16:53] my gtalk is vomiting errors [16:53] FFFUUUU GOOOGGGLLLEEEE [17:35] wow, greg-g with another grumpy old man quote [17:35] i'm gonna chalk it up to lack of sleep due to baby [17:35] hah [17:53] brousch: :) Carrie and I have noticed we both got a ton more cynical lately [17:59] that wont' get any better :) [18:00] sure it will [18:00] once the child sleeps for 8 hours most nights [18:02] naw, then you're cynical about more things [18:03] other parents, non parents, day care, how kids play at the playground, you get all kinds of things to get cynical about [18:03] yeah, we'll see :) [20:06] http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/angelight-shamansity/ <- I have a hard time taking this album seriously [20:07] I haven't been on Magnatune in ages [20:07] <_Marcus> Hey, you're name is like that drink. I just noticed that [20:08] _Marcus: Hey, your name is like a Roman Emperor. ;) [20:08] <_Marcus> :) [20:08] But yes, it's a nick that I've used for about 20 years now [20:09] <_Marcus> That's 1992. Snapple was introduced in 1972 [20:10] yes, and it was during a period when I drank a lot of Snapple Iced Tea [20:10] Actually, more like 17 years [20:10] <_Marcus> Lol [20:34] my name is like that message you get when /boot is on an reiserfs partition and you recompile your kernel without reiserfs. [20:34] at least, that's the only time I remember seeing it myself [20:35] <_Marcus> My name is like that one that I was given after birth [20:36] pft [20:36] gah, had someone try to ssh into my system [20:36] Just turned off ssh port forwarding. [20:40] that was me trying to pirate your CC music collection [20:41] heh [21:05] <_Marcus> snap-l: How do you access it without SSH? [21:38] telnet [21:44] o-O [21:44] why would you turn off ... oh... you stopped forwarding 22, not turned off ssh port forwarding. [21:45] sounded like you AllowTcpForwarding=no [21:45] which would be silly ;) [22:21] WHOA! I just opened a PDF in Fx Nightly and it used pdf.js to show it in-browser! [22:26] cool. [22:26] what is Fx Nightly? [22:27] Aurora ? [22:28] uh.... I forget, I use a PPA [23:46] Well, I'm on the local machine, so I don't need ssh for now