[01:42] <ochosi> hey everyone
[01:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: fixed the icons in git as well. sorry i seemingly completely overlooked that folder earlier...
[07:23] <astraljava> madnick: Have you wrote the email to the release mailing list?
[07:23] <astraljava> written*
[07:24] <knome> astraljava, there should be nothing except in the "what was done engineering wise"
[07:24] <knome> but i really need to go now
[07:24] <astraljava> Ok.
[07:24] <knome> so see you later today
[07:24] <astraljava> Yep, later.
[07:24] <knome> bug 961744 and bug 961745
[07:24] <knome> should go there ^
[07:25] <knome> see you, i'm running already! ->
[07:27] <micahg> umm, lightdm-gtk-greeter uploaded...
[07:36] <astraljava> micahg: mr_pouit: Am I right in saying that the only changes 'engineering wise' regarding Xubuntu only were the xubuntu-artwork update and the xubuntu-meta update for replacing mixer with pavucontrol? I didn't see any other archive changes in the logs for the past few days?
[07:37] <micahg> astraljava: lightdm-gtk-greeter source uploaded (affects other teams)
[07:37] <astraljava> Sadly I didn't pay that much attention previously, as I jumped to this co-position only yesterday...
[07:37] <micahg> astraljava: hehe, thanks for helping :)
[07:37] <astraljava> micahg: Ok, didn't know it was Xubuntu-sourced change. Thanks!
[07:37] <micahg> well, our devs did it :)
[07:37] <astraljava> Right, I guess that makes it so. :)
[07:37] <micahg> on behalf of the rest of the flavors
[07:38] <micahg> astraljava: blueman updated
[07:38] <astraljava> ...for which I thank thee on behalf of Studio! :)
[07:38] <micahg> astraljava: just look for mr_pouit uploads: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-March/thread.html
[07:38] <astraljava> micahg: Ahh... that seems like a list I should subcribe to.
[07:57] <astraljava> madnick: Mail sent. Thanks micahg, knome!
[07:58] <micahg> astraljava: lightdm-gtk-greeter was already upload, did you mean to include it in both sections?
[07:59] <astraljava> micahg: Gah... I misread the section title. I'll write a correction.
[08:13] <astraljava> grrr... stupid mutt.
[08:17] <astraljava> ...and c&p... oh well, that'll do, I don't wanna spam any more. :)
[10:00] <ochosi> can anyone confirm that gmusicbrowser has disappeared from indicator-sound in precise?
[10:00] <ochosi> (i mean the launcher that's there even when gmusicbrowser isn't running)
[10:00] <ochosi> (when gmusicbrowser is running, it's displayed there)
[10:01] <ochosi> against which package would i report the bug? indicator-sound? xubuntu-default-settings?
[13:14] <knome> astraljava, wow, thanks. that's a really good mail :)
[13:25] <mr_pouit>  [D-BUS Service]
[13:25] <mr_pouit> -Name=com.canonical.indicators.sound
[13:25] <mr_pouit> +Name=com.canonical.indicator.sound
[13:26] <mr_pouit> ^ ochosi: xubuntu-default-settings please (they renamed the service name)
[13:26] <mr_pouit> o hai
[13:31] <knome> hey
[14:02] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, so i shall file a bugreport and attach this as patch? or do you actually want me to test it?
[14:07] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, since it seemed a bit too trivial to test it, here's the bug: #963114
[14:16] <ochosi> bbl
[14:47] <mr_pouit> thanks, I tested it anyway
[14:50] <astraljava> knome: Thank you, appreciated.
[14:51] <astraljava> I'm in a bus, on my way to my mom's, so connection might be tricky, but I'll try to manage the meeting.
[14:52] <knome> heh :)
[14:52] <knome> k
[14:59] <knome> i'm hungry.
[15:13] <astraljava> knome: Pardon me, but it seems that my laptop's battery is going bad, and it tells me I only have 40 minutes left. I'm not sure whether we'll make it to Xubuntu in that time. Is there a chance you could answer any questions regarding it?
[15:14] <astraljava> ...or madnick, for that matter. But I understood he's not online at the moment.
[15:24] <GridCube> im doing today's test and im finding a problem when trying to launch the "OnBoard Configuration" from "configuration"(¿I guess thats the name in english?) and im getting a "cant be reported because of a "shared-mime-info" is obsolete?
[15:35] <GridCube> in fact onboard itself fails to launch
[15:42] <GridCube> the "undo" button on the calculator lacks an icon
[15:44] <GridCube> for some reason catfish will autodefault to search its own folder instead of ~/
[15:44] <scott-work> are there any outstanding FFe's that still require approval for beta
[15:44] <scott-work> beta 2, that is
[15:51] <scott-work> from the release-meeting
 BTW, there was a volunteer to test powerpc images for Xubuntu on (IIRC) the QA list today. [10:46] <Riddell> volunteers to test the kubuntu images on arm welcome [10:47] <scott-work> skaet: i think he was on a tram with a laptop and low battery [10:47] <skaet> ScottK, interesting,  that's not one on Xubuntu's manifest for this release. [10:47] <ScottK> Yes.  They specifically asked if it could be added back. [10:4
[15:51] <scott-work> arggh
 BTW, there was a volunteer to test powerpc images for Xubuntu on (IIRC) the QA list today.
 ScottK, interesting,  that's not one on Xubuntu's manifest for this release.
 Yes.  They specifically asked if it could be added back.
 IIRC it was just dropped due to lack of testers.
 pitti, cjwatson,  ^ thoughts?
 question for xubuntu really; if someone wants them and can test them, sure
 we should just keep in mind that adding a powerpc image quadruples image build time
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2012-March/002054.html
 in case they need fast turnarounds for bug fixes
 but that's not a big blocker, of course
 skaet: I'm not sure there are Xubuntu people active on that list.  Could you follow up with them since they aren't here?
 I'll follow up with Xubuntu team offline.
[15:58] <astraljava> scott-work: Thanks! I spoke to skaet, and we could have a chat about powerpc later today. knome: mr_pouit: madnick: micahg: Able to participate in that talk?
[16:01] <GridCube> bug #963216
[16:02] <knome> ho?
[16:02] <knome> astraljava, ^
[16:21] <ochosi> does onboard still look as bad as on oneiric?
[16:24]  * knome is currently revieweing the strategy document
[16:24] <GridCube> ochosi: i don't know because i cant launch it :P
[16:24] <GridCube> ochosi: also an icon is missing from the calculator
[16:24] <ochosi> aha?
[16:24] <ochosi> which one
[16:24] <ochosi> (screenshot ideally please)
[16:24] <GridCube> im getting it
[16:26] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/204848
[16:26] <ochosi> a-ha
[16:26] <ochosi> that must be new
[16:27] <ochosi> last time i tested the calculator it still worked
[16:27] <ochosi> (they obviously decided to switch to symbolic icons)
[16:27] <ochosi> it's undo-symbolic
[16:28] <GridCube> what else uses the undo-symbolic?
[16:28] <ochosi> GridCube: could you please switch to the other modes and see whether there's anything else missing?
[16:28] <GridCube> i did and there is not
[16:28] <ochosi> every app that uses symbolic icons for the undo-buttons
[16:28] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[16:28] <ochosi> i'll see whether i can dig one up
[16:30] <ochosi> (or better: i'll coordinate that with upstream elementary)
[16:40] <ochosi> GridCube: could you please report a bug against xubuntu-artwork so that we don't forget about this?
[16:42] <GridCube> ok 
[16:42] <ochosi> ty
[16:42] <ochosi> brb
[16:44] <GridCube> bug #963262
[16:56] <ochosi> ty
[16:56] <ochosi> GridCube: it seems to be even worse when using ubuntu's own icon-theme (ubuntu-mono-dark or humanity-dark)
[17:00] <astraljava> GridCube: Did you check the bug yours was marked as a dupe of?
[17:00] <GridCube> yes i just did 
[17:00] <astraljava> Seems like a classic python utf-8 bug. :)
[17:01] <ochosi> GridCube: ok, i know how to fix it
[17:01] <GridCube> im reoping the vbox to see if the workaround works :P
[17:01] <astraljava> I can check how big changes there are in the trunk to the version currently in precise.
[17:01] <GridCube> what the onboard or the calculator oc?
[17:01] <GridCube> what the onboard or the calculator ochosi ?
[17:01] <ochosi> calc
[17:01] <ochosi> onboard works here
[17:01] <GridCube> :P oh
[17:01] <astraljava> ochosi: Oh? What version?
[17:01] <GridCube> so its because mine its in spanish?
[17:02] <ochosi> whatever version is in precise
[17:02] <ochosi> (using the main server)
[17:02] <ochosi> typing with the mouse is utterly slow though :)
[17:03] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03232012-060336pm.php
[17:08] <GridCube> oh... lookat that using LANGUAGE= en did the trick
[17:10] <astraljava> GridCube: How are your language settings?
[17:11] <GridCube> i installed it on es 
[17:11] <GridCube> thats for spañish
[17:11] <GridCube> fun fact
[17:12] <GridCube> even if i launch it wit he LANGUAGE=en the keyboard layout still is on latam :P
[17:13] <astraljava> latam?
[17:13] <GridCube> yes, latin amreican
[17:14] <GridCube> theres two main layouts for spañish keyboard, Spain Layout and LatinAmerican Layout
[17:15] <GridCube> and then theres a lot more, but i've never seen them, i mean there are dvorak keyboards to and all that but i've never seen them
[17:16] <astraljava> Right. Well, bzr log says it's fixed almost a week ago already, but the version in precise has latest debian/changelog entry from Feb. 21st.
[17:21] <astraljava> It's troublesome, as this affects all flavors. I'm not sure we can do much about it.
[17:21] <GridCube> i don't follow
[17:22] <GridCube> you mean its not affecting just xubuntu¿
[17:22] <astraljava> Well, not all, but it's in the tasks: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-usb.
[17:23] <astraljava> ...as well as xubuntu-desktop.
[17:23] <astraljava> I guess this issue has to be escalated to the Desktop Team.
[17:24] <GridCube> mmkay, glad i spot it now then :3
[17:24] <astraljava> Yep. Do you want to raise the issue there?
[17:24] <GridCube> ochosi: i tried all the iconsets and they all broke the calculator
[17:24] <GridCube> astraljava: i don't know how to, and your voice would be heard faster i say :D
[17:25] <astraljava> Not really, haven't dealt with that team before at all.
[17:26] <GridCube> ill do it if you want me to, but i don't really know what to say
[17:27] <astraljava> GridCube: I'd just join the appropriate channel, voice the problem and link to the bug in LP. They will either pick up on it, or instruct on how to proceed with getting it updated.
[17:27] <GridCube> :) ok, whats the channel?
[17:27] <astraljava> It should be #ubuntu-desktop.
[17:32] <GridCube> done :)
[17:36] <astraljava> Most excellent! Thanks a bunch! :)
[17:54] <micahg> astraljava: I'm around now, still need me?
[17:55] <knome> astraljava, hmmp. i'm okay with the PPC build, but i'm not going to start supporting it officially, not even semi-officially, and i don't think we can throw next to any developer time to it
[17:56] <astraljava> micahg: Kate hasn't started the discussion yet, but it regards the powerpc support. Do we have testers enough to support the manifest for precise?
[17:56] <micahg> astraljava: who is we in this case?
[17:56] <astraljava> micahg: Xubuntu Team.
[17:56] <knome> micahg, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03232012-064511pm.php
[17:56] <knome> astraljava, if we have *one* volunteer, err, no
[17:56] <micahg> astraljava: no idea, that's why we dropped it in the first place
[17:57] <knome> micahg, fix that!!!!
[17:57] <knome> ;)
[17:57] <micahg> knome: I don't have working hardware ATM
[17:57] <knome> micahg, awwh
[17:57] <knome> micahg, in that case... you can tell somebody else to fix that :)
[17:57] <astraljava> micahg: That's what I was afraid of. I don't really know who that one volunteer is, but it was brought up in the release meeting today, and Kate was about to talk about it here.
[17:58] <knome> skaet, 
[17:58] <knome> 19:55  knome: astraljava, hmmp. i'm okay with the PPC build, but i'm not going to start supporting it officially, not even semi-officially, and i don't think we can throw next to any developer time to it
[17:58] <knome> skaet, that ^
[17:59] <skaet> hiya knome,  I don't know who the volunteer is either.
[17:59] <skaet> and adding it will slow down your rebuild times...
[17:59] <micahg> I don't mind adding back powerpc, we're in good shape regarding that
[18:00] <micahg> the problem was without a tester, it was never releasable
[18:00] <knome> skaet, please find out and tell him to stop at this channel, and we can rethink the issue together
[18:00] <skaet> micahg,  it will make the xubuntu rebuilds about 4x slower if we have powerpc in the set, until all are done building.
[18:00] <knome> skaet, also, if micahg can confirm he has the time to do at least some bugfixes for that, i'm okay with that too
[18:00] <micahg> the only developer time is shuffling langpacks to not be oversized
[18:01] <knome> skaet, but probably after PP, not *for* PP
[18:01] <skaet> knome,  fair enough.
[18:01] <micahg> skaet: we can always build it and not block on it
[18:02] <micahg> knome: time, idk, but I try to fix those build issues in any event for xubuntu packages
[18:02] <skaet> micahg, I think that looking at how we can stop blocking on it as part of the build infrastructure would give us more options.   we're not there yet, and unlikely to get there for P.
[18:02] <knome> micahg, mm-hmm. 4× slower rebuilds doesn't sound good >__<
[18:03] <astraljava> What machinery would run a powerpc build? If I get a job, I might be interested in getting some, if there are any cheaper ones.
[18:03] <micahg> skaet: oh, you can't publish until they're all finished?
[18:03] <skaet> micahg, yeah. :(
[18:03] <micahg> astraljava: old Macs, IBM POWER servers
[18:03] <knome> astraljava, ps3? ;)
[18:04] <skaet> micahg, We can manually invoke a subset, but it gets fiddly and when things are under pressure, its another thing to get wrong, so I'd prefer to avoid it.
[18:04] <astraljava> knome: But they pulled the support for installing other OS, didn't they? An older MBP I could think of acquiring.
[18:04] <knome> astraljava, yeah, in the later revisions, or that might be related to the OS version too.
[18:04] <micahg> astraljava: right, idk if ps3 is even unofficially supported at this point
[18:05] <astraljava> micahg: Gotcha.
[18:05] <knome> astraljava, you could try buying one with nhl '11, and see if that works first.
[18:05] <micahg> skaet: are we getting a faster powerpc image builder, or did that already happen?
[18:06] <astraljava> knome: I'll get back to the matter if/when I have a job.
[18:06] <knome> :)
[18:06] <skaet> micahg, ticket to swap in the faster PPC has been waiting for over 5 months now, so I'm not optimistic we'll get it this cycle.
[18:13] <astraljava> So, I think the conclusion is not to add PPC builds for PP, we'll revise the decision for the PP+1. No?
[18:15] <knome> yes, i think that's the most sensible thing to do at this point
[18:16]  * skaet notes.   :)
[18:17] <astraljava> Thanks. :)
[18:18]  * genii-around ponders the two Molar Macs he has sitting at home under the stairs
[18:18]  * astraljava goes to google for Molar Macs
[18:19] <genii-around> PPC 750
[18:20] <micahg> skaet: would you be averse to adding PPC for a point release if the testing and image building issues are fixed?
[18:23] <skaet> micahg, yes.  Long time to support, and not what the interest level in the old version wll be like in 2 years time.
[18:23] <skaet> s/yes/yes, I am averse to adding it to the point release/
[18:23] <skaet> :)
[18:24] <genii-around> astraljava: If someone is willing to pay shipping from Toronto to where you are, one or both of them are yours for free
[18:25] <astraljava> genii-around: Thanks, but shipping such monsters to Finland, some 10k+ miles from Toronto, is probably more expensive than buying some here. :) Appreciate the thought, though.
[18:26] <genii-around> astraljava: OK
[18:27] <astraljava> Well, maybe not 10k+ miles, but kilometres at least. :)
[18:28] <micahg> skaet: I would only consider it as a preview and non-blocking, not a firm commitment
[18:35] <skaet> micahg, new hardware being added in point releases should only be used for firm commitments to support for the entire period.  The next development release seems like the best option for preview/non-blocking.
[18:41] <GridCube> astraljava: they never answer on #ubuntu-desktop, so i don't know what to do and i have to go now, :/
[18:42] <astraljava> GridCube: Ok, I'll join there and monitor if they react on it later.
[18:43] <GridCube> mmkay want me to repost my question??
[18:44] <astraljava> Yes, please. Thanks!
[18:45] <GridCube> there :)
[18:45] <GridCube> gotta go now, see yah
[18:48] <astraljava> Thanks!
[18:48] <astraljava> See ya later.
[18:55] <astraljava> micahg: Alright, how do we go about it? An FFe (re: onboard)?
[18:56] <micahg> astraljava: it's bug fix, I just need to ask skaet
[18:56] <astraljava> micahg: Gotcha, thanks!
[18:56] <micahg> brb, reboot
[19:58] <ochosi> i'll be back on sunday evening or better on monday
[19:58] <ochosi> have a nice weekend everyone!
[21:29] <TheMouldyMarsBar>  /join #arbot
[21:30] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Oops
[21:53] <knome> pleia2, i sent email to the xfce devs on the logo issue, you've been cc'd