/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/24/#kubuntu-devel.txt

JontheEchidnaapachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/yt85n.png00:46
JontheEchidnafor you <300:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: broken looking muon?00:48
Riddellor is that a fix to something?00:48
JontheEchidnaRiddell: that's showing the new progress throbber that shows up when the Muon Software Center is starting up00:49
JontheEchidnabefore it'd just sit like that for ~ a second while it loaded stuff00:49
JontheEchidnawith no indication that it was working00:49
Riddelllovely00:50
RiddellJontheEchidna: threaded or split up in process method?00:51
JontheEchidnathreaded using QtConcurrent/QFuture, makes it super-easy00:51
Riddelldude you're elite00:51
RiddellI've done very little threaded stuff, s-c-printer-kde is about the only one I think00:52
JontheEchidnaAll you have to do with QFuture is set up a QFuture object that will hold the results of your asynchronous function, connect it's finished() signal to a slot, then run your asynchronous function with QtConcurrent00:53
Riddellit's all so much simpler than the java stuff I got (badly) taught at uni00:55
JontheEchidnahere's the diff if you're curious: http://commits.kde.org/muon/2524feb991b59435b766a0a7c03ed5693133338500:55
JontheEchidnaI turned the init() method into a non-classed function, then I pass a function pointer to init along w/ the function parameters to QtConcurrent::run00:56
JontheEchidnaMy future watcher tells me when QtConcurrent has finished it's thread running my init function, and I get my nice QVector filled with apps00:57
JontheEchidnavery handy for multithreading sorting00:58
RiddellJontheEchidna: what are your initial impressions of apol's qml interface?00:58
JontheEchidnaor creating large lists of objects00:58
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I like it, but I'm not an expert with mobile UI's (not that I'm an expert with desktop ones) so I don't know what judgements I could make in that regard00:59
JontheEchidnaWhat I'd really like to see is a set of style guidelines from KDE for mobile UI's, and QML UI's on the desktop00:59
JontheEchidnait seems that right now there's a bit of a "roll your own" thing going on00:59
JontheEchidnaI guess this will become a more prominent issue when Qt/KDE5 roll around00:59
JontheEchidnawhen everything goes QML01:00
* jalcine thinks JontheEchidna is, in fact, an elite, lol01:00
JontheEchidna:P01:00
jalcineShould be addressed as soon as possible.01:02
jalcineThe sooner it happens, however, the more people that might want to use QML.01:02
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I've been working w/ apol to work on UI warts as they become apparent, the UI is still very new and still does some funky stuff. I do like it in general, though.01:02
JontheEchidnaI plan on keeping the classic QWidget Muon Software Center around until KDE5, and keeping the QML Installer for the "Active" flavour until that time.01:03
JontheEchidna(Active is the current hip word for mobile, right?)01:03
jalcineLol, could be01:06
JontheEchidnaRiddell: We could do a UI review at UDS to get some input from the wider Kubuntu Contributor community, if we could work out a way for that to be done remotely.01:06
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes please add to wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries01:24
Riddellhmm kmix keeps crashing suddenly01:38
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KRFRiddell: yep. same here06:38
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jussiMorning all, just tried to do a upgrade to precise from oneiric, got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/897481/07:52
jussi(i left it on overnight and just woke up to that :( )07:53
jussisigh. cant seem to get past that error and dont want to turn my PC off before I get it sorted :(08:30
georgelappies_new Thunderbird update has the bug where the tooltips are Black text on very dark background. using KDE 4.8.1. with ubuntu 11.1009:38
schnellegeorgelappies_: you can change tooltip background color in system settings to workaround this bug09:47
georgelappies_schnelle: thanks, will do so. Where would one look to find the cause of this bug? is it coming from the oxygen-gtk gtk theme engine?09:49
schnellegeorgelappies_: I really don't know where bug is. I had this bug in chrome. Now the bug is present with firefox too09:54
georgelappies_schnelle: you using the oxygen-gtk plugin as well? If I change my style to Raleigh for gtk the bug is gone but all gtk apps look fugly09:56
schnellegeorgelappies_: yes. probably it is oxygen-gtk bug. 09:58
schnelleRiddell: can Kubuntu use lighter tooltip background color by default? tooltip background color which works well with dark(black) and light(white) text10:03
schnellethat way we can workaround bugs with tooltip like we had in libreoffice in oneiric10:04
schnellenow in oneiric i have this tooltip bug with chrome and firefox, so i had to change tooltip background color10:05
georgelappies_the 'Chrome' colour scheme works well as the tooltip colour is a light blue10:17
Peace-ok the pool on ubuntu forums doesn't work10:19
Peace-poll10:19
Peace- i guess i have a solution for this10:25
Peace-a fork10:25
Peace-or something like that10:26
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jussiright, so got the update to precise done, after a few shenanigans 13:48
BluesKajhi all14:21
rbelemRiddell, heya14:52
BluesKajquiet here today ..especially for a saturday14:57
rbelemheya BluesKaj 14:59
BluesKajrbelem,  hey14:59
rbelemBluesKaj, currently i only have this time for kubuntu :-(15:00
rbelemBluesKaj, probably people a getting a little bit of fresh air :-D15:00
BluesKajbusy guy eh , rbelem ...not so here ...being retired etc 15:01
BluesKajyeah, spring is on it's way here , altho it's cloudy and dreary today15:02
rbelemBluesKaj, yeah... you know... job, 1yr baby boy, family, new house15:03
rbelemBluesKaj, r u retired already?15:03
jussirbelem: I forgot you had a kid :)15:04
rbelem:-D15:04
rbelemjussi, you have two, right?15:04
jussinope15:04
jussijust Elodi, 10 weeks old15:04
rbelemjussi, awesome! first son! that's great15:05
jussirbelem: Elodi is a girl ;)15:05
rbelemjussi, i thought you had more, i dont know why o.O15:05
BluesKajrbelem,  congrats jussi :)15:06
rbelemjussi, what is the female form of son?15:06
rbelems/form/word/15:06
kuboturbelem meant: "jussi, what is the female word of son?"15:06
jussidaughter15:06
rbelem:-)15:07
rbelemjussi, i want a baby girl also :-), but my wife says that she only wants one child :-(15:08
jussiaawww15:08
rbelemjussi, how is she going?15:09
BluesKajrbelem, yes , i've been retired for a while ...linux became my hobby besides music and audio , after retirement15:09
jussirbelem: just fine, sleeping right now15:09
rbelemBluesKaj, nice :-)15:11
rbelemBluesKaj, what have you been doing?15:11
rbelemjussi, girls usually sleeps better than boys15:12
rbelemjussi, mine didnt like very much to sleep15:12
rbelemjussi, my wife and me had a really bad sleep nights during the first six months15:13
rbelemBluesKaj, in the linux world :-)15:14
jussirbelem: so you werent pulling a rodrigo much then ? :P15:14
rbelemjussi, that's totally true15:14
jussiI know the feeling15:15
BluesKajrbelem,  learning and helping ppl with kubuntu mostly 15:15
rbelemjussi, even today... i have to wake every @6am to take him to the baby school and then go to work15:15
BluesKajrbelem,  baby school ? how old is he ?15:18
rbelemBluesKaj, 1yr and 3months old15:19
jussiBluesKaj: "daycare"15:21
rbelemi have to leave for a while15:21
* rbelem was trying to backport kwin patch from master to 4.8.115:22
BluesKajjussi,  yeah we used to pay for in home daycare , but these were usually just other young mothers 15:37
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Riddellhi rbelem 16:07
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shadeslayerwendar: ping17:01
shadeslayerwendar: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537566 << Best to have a look at this :)17:01
wendarshadeslayer: hi17:01
wendarokay17:01
shadeslayerI can't figure out how to get root and CWM though17:02
shadeslayerone of the commands fails .. no idea how to proceed atm17:02
wendarI got root before17:02
shadeslayeroh, how?17:03
wendarhttp://androidroot.mobi/2011/11/14/introducing-razorclaw-v1/17:04
shadeslayerah, I can't use that anymore ... 17:05
shadeslayerdoesn't work ...17:05
wendarit worked for me17:05
wendaron sbk217:06
wendarwhere I hit a wall was finding any images that worked17:06
wendar(that wasn't even trying to run natively)17:06
shadeslayeryeah, the tool came out after the fix for that exploit was already pushed to my device -.-17:06
wendarah, bummer17:07
wendarit can't be flashed back to factory standard?17:07
shadeslayerNot that I know of17:07
shadeslayerlilstevie knows the SBKv2 key but he can't tell it to us17:07
wendaryeah, that's fair17:07
wendarwe should bring him to the next UDS so he can unlock all our devices (without telling us what the sbk is) ;)17:08
shadeslayerhehehe17:08
shadeslayerHe also says that there's no need for the SBK17:09
wendarhow so?17:09
shadeslayerNo idea, I'll pastebin the discussion17:10
wendarthat you can flash without it?17:10
wendaror that ASUS doesn't really need to use it? (i.e. it doesn't help them)17:10
shadeslayerwendar: http://paste.kde.org/445706/17:11
shadeslayerline 2617:11
wendarah, okay17:12
wendarso, it's not really "native"17:12
wendarthis is the loopback device method17:12
shadeslayeryeah 17:13
wendarit's still running ubuntu as a "guest" on top of android17:13
shadeslayerdamnit ASUS .. I hate you17:13
shadeslayeryep17:13
shadeslayeractually wait17:13
wendarbut then, really if I got it working that far I'd be pretty happy17:13
shadeslayerwendar: isn't it native?17:13
shadeslayeryou're flashing the boot.img to the partition17:13
wendarwell, "native" would be entirely wiping android and replacing it with ubuntu17:13
shadeslayerand then mounting a image as a loopback17:13
shadeslayerah17:14
shadeslayerthat way17:14
shadeslayer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1537566 < Is what you want then17:14
wendaryeah, so boot.img is just an extra file inside the ordinary android filesystem17:14
wendarand then you load that on the loopback device17:14
shadeslayerremoves android from what I understand17:14
wendaryup, that's exactly what I've been looking for17:14
wendarthanks for the link :)17:15
shadeslayer:)17:15
wendarI away visiting my son this weekend, but will try it when I get back home17:15
* shadeslayer goes back to figuring out how to get root17:15
shadeslayerhave fun  :D17:15
wendarwill let you know how far I get17:15
shadeslayerawesome17:15
* wendar cackles gleefully :)17:15
BluesKajBBL17:46
shadeslayerrbelem: ping18:37
rbelemshadeslayer, pong18:38
rbelemRiddell, heya18:38
shadeslayerrbelem: does precise have all the latest plasma active packages?18:38
shadeslayeror did you hide stuff in other PPA's ? :P18:39
rbelemshadeslayer, :-D18:39
* shadeslayer is very close to getting ubuntu on his transformer18:39
rbelemshadeslayer, everything is in the repos18:39
shadeslayerawesome18:39
rbelemshadeslayer, there are just a few adjustments that need to be done18:40
shadeslayerok, I'll first have to get the rootfs updated ;)18:40
rbelemshadeslayer, :-)18:40
* shadeslayer has to first make his own image for the transformer18:41
rbelemshadeslayer, will you use linaro tools or will you create it using chroot?18:42
shadeslayernot sure, I'm looking at this right now : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=147683518:43
* shadeslayer is very excited18:43
shadeslayerfinally mananged to get CWM on the transformer, just need to flash the appropriate bits now18:44
Riddelltransformer?18:46
shadeslayeryus18:47
shadeslayerRiddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_Pad_Transformer18:48
Riddellah, ARM laptop?18:49
shadeslayerARM tablet18:49
shadeslayerwhich has a dock ...18:49
shadeslayerRiddell: can I get a EC2 for 30 minutes or so? My connection is stretched to the limit19:06
shadeslayerI need to make a Plasma Active image for my transformer19:07
Riddellshadeslayer: hi19:21
shadeslayer\o19:21
Riddellloading19:22
shadeslayerthanks!19:22
Riddellshadeslayer: ubuntu@ec2-174-129-178-18.compute-1.amazonaws.com19:23
shadeslayer:D19:27
shadeslayerrbelem: plasma-active should pull in everything that is required right?19:31
rbelemshadeslayer, kubuntu-active should pull everything19:32
shadeslayerah ok19:32
shadeslayerrbelem: E: Couldn't find these debs: kubuntu-active 0.o19:32
shadeslayeron ports.ubuntu.com19:33
rbelemRiddell, do we have active packages in ports.ubuntu.com?19:33
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta/1.6 << Looks like it19:35
rbelemo.O19:36
shadeslayerah, maybe debootstrap is only checking main19:40
shadeslayerthar we go19:42
Riddellrbelem: sure19:43
JontheEchidnaapol: I think I might have broken the QML installer with this commit, but I'm not sure why my changes would have broken it: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/repository/revisions/2524feb991b59435b766a0a7c03ed5693133338520:13
JontheEchidnait doesn't show apps anymore :(20:13
apolugh xD20:21
apolJontheEchidna: ok, don't worry I'll look into it on monday20:21
JontheEchidnacool, thanks20:22
* apol g2g20:22
apolenjoy the weeKend20:22
JontheEchidnayou too20:22
shadeslayeromg20:38
shadeslayeratleast I'm in initramfs20:39
shadeslayer:P20:39
shadeslayerrbelem: Riddell ^20:39
rbelemRiddell, i finished to backport the mgraesslin kwin patch for kwin active20:55
mgraesslinrbelem: does it work?20:55
Riddellrbelem: what's it do?20:56
* Riddell out20:56
rbelemmgraesslin, i did not tested yet20:56
rbelemRiddell, https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104299/diff/#index_header20:56
rbelemmy current machine is too slow to build20:56
rbelemRiddell, do you have a faster machine :-D20:57
rbelemi think i will have to build on my machine :'(20:59
rbelemRiddell, mgraesslin, here is the patch http://paste.kde.org/445868/ backported from master to 4.8.1 :-)21:01
mgraesslinrbelem: remove those for fade and fadedesktop21:02
rbelemmgraesslin, taking a quick look. do you think it is ok?21:03
rbelemmgraesslin, oki :-)21:03
mgraesslinand I think you have to adjust the CMakeLists.txt inside tabbox21:04
rbelemmgraesslin, there is no CMakeLists.txt there21:07
mgraesslinwell the files are installed from $somewhere21:08
mgraesslinI think it's in the main CMakeLists.tx21:08
mgraesslint21:08
rbelemfound it21:09
Whiskey`Wonkawould this be the right place to ask about muon in 12.04 saying 'your package system is broken' and muon exiting, checking the error it says 'you are holding broken backages'21:09
rbelemJontheEchidna, ^ :-D21:10
JontheEchidnaI think that's a bit more of a user support question, your apt is broken21:11
yofelcan't muon be a bit more cooperative and suggest a way how to resolve that?21:12
JontheEchidnathat message comes from apt itself, and apt doesn't really have that functionality21:12
* yofel was thinking of aptitude21:13
yofelbut yeah, apt itself doesn't21:13
JontheEchidnayeah, aptitude does a bunch of additional dependency handling that I think it would be a mistake to try to do21:13
JontheEchidnabecause then suddenly weird behaviors become your bug :P21:14
Whiskey`WonkaJontheEchidna: this is a 24hour old fresh install. only muon has been used. i would love to know how and what broke the package system21:14
rbelemmgraesslin, here is the tabbox part http://paste.kde.org/445886/21:14
mgraesslinrbelem: yeah looks ok21:14
yofelWhiskey`Wonka: check your apt history and logs21:15
Whiskey`Wonkayofel: what would i be looking for? there were no issues till now, trying to get network manager installed correctly21:15
yofelcheck the term.log in /var/log/apt/ for any errors (start at the bottom)21:16
JontheEchidnait should come installed correctly?21:17
littlegirlHey there, the Kubuntu docs still need some love, so I'm going to continue working on them. Darkwing, do you prefer <trademark>Windows</trademark> or <trademark class="registered">Windows</trademark>?21:17
littlegirlAlso, I notice that "file system" and "filesystem" are both used in various places in the documentation. Is there a preference for one over the other?21:18
Whiskey`Wonkayofel: mmm nothing at the very end, but greping the file for error does have a few, all 3 are -> Unable to open directory /usr/lib/gio/modules:21:18
Whiskey`Wonkagoogle says its a known issue21:19
yofelWhiskey`Wonka: that doesn't say much without the context, and let's move to #kubuntu21:19
yofelor #ubuntu+1 rather21:19
Whiskey`Wonkayofel: im in +121:20
rbelemmgraesslin, it built kwinactive and kwinactive_gles21:21
rbelemmgraesslin, is it expected?21:21
rbelemmgraesslin, hum... and it generated the kwin_gles.shell and kwin.shell21:22
shadeslayerrbelem: poke21:23
* rbelem jumps21:23
rbelemshadeslayer, :-)21:23
shadeslayerrbelem: I want to create my own boot.img21:23
shadeslayerusing abootimg21:23
shadeslayerdo you have any experience in that field?21:23
shadeslayersince tegra is not a OMAP platform I can't just use the intrid from the OMAP platform21:24
rbelemshadeslayer, hum... i just generated from linaro tools21:25
rbelemshadeslayer, but will you use another kernel?21:25
shadeslayeranother kernel? as in?21:26
shadeslayerthe current one isn't booting21:26
shadeslayerI get dropped to initramfs21:26
shadeslayerbecause it can't find the necessary modules21:26
rbelemshadeslayer, hum... i see21:26
rbelemshadeslayer, do you have an idea of which modules are?21:27
shadeslayernope21:27
shadeslayerI get a bunch of these errors :  FATAL error. could not load /lib/modules/2.6.36/4/modules.dep21:28
rbelemshadeslayer, do you have the kernel from the xda thread?21:28
shadeslayernope21:29
mgraesslinrbelem: if you have both gl and gles it will of course build two binaries21:29
rbelemmgraesslin, nice :-)21:30
mgraesslinand I have no idea what "kwin.shell" is21:30
rbelemmgraesslin, this is the contents http://paste.kde.org/445898/21:31
rbelemyofel, heya :-D21:33
yofelrbelem: hey21:36
rbelemyofel, do you have time to take a look in that funky debian/rules?21:37
rbelem:-D21:37
yofelrbelem: did you try it out?21:37
rbelemyofel, not yet21:37
rbelemyofel, but i think it will not work as expected21:38
yofelI've never tried to build a package with 2 different patch sets yet, so I'm not quite sure how to do this either :/21:40
rbelemhum...21:40
rbelemi'm so stupid21:41
rbelemyofel, i think we can have only one patch set21:41
yofelI would say so21:42
yofelunless you figure out how to tell dh to patch, conf, build, inst, unpatch, patch, conf, build, inst the package21:42
rbelemyofel, to enable the changes that i need we just have to pass a build parameter21:43
yofelwell that's doable21:43
* rbelem kicks himself21:43
rbelemthanks yofel :-)21:45
yofelI don't think I helped much ^^21:46
shadeslayerOMFG22:26
shadeslayerI did it22:26
shadeslayerit's booting \o/22:26
rbelemyofel, hum... i just realized that there is one kubuntu active specific patch for kde-workspace22:27
shadeslayerrbelem: the problem was a bad intrid22:27
shadeslayerI just swapped it with a new one and voila22:27
rbelemshadeslayer, awesome :-D22:27
rbelemshadeslayer, is it running kubuntu active already?22:28
shadeslayerrbelem: the rootfs is resizing w22:28
shadeslayerwill take a bit of time22:28
shadeslayerprobably 25 minutes or so22:28
shadeslayerand then it'll boot into oneiric22:28
shadeslayerFor precise I'll need to compile the kernel myself since we don't have kernels for nvidia tegra22:29
shadeslayeroh, I'll help wendar out a bit and give her the correct kernel blog22:29
rbelemshadeslayer, why not? linaro dropped tegra support?22:29
shadeslayerafaik they only have OMAP4 devices no?22:29
rbelemshadeslayer, usually they compile stuff to work on all armv7 devices22:30
shadeslayerhmm ... will try it out tomorrow then22:30
shadeslayerit's 4 AM here22:31
shadeslayerjust want to fall into bed and sleep22:31
rbelemshadeslayer, the problem would be kernel drivers22:31
rbelemshadeslayer, ouch22:32
shadeslayerhmmmm22:32
shadeslayerI do have the driver sources22:32
shadeslayersomewhere in this messy dir structure22:32
rbelemehehehe22:33
rbelem:-)22:33
shadeslayersigh22:35
shadeslayerstill resizing22:35
* shadeslayer writes documentation meanwhile22:36
rbelemshadeslayer, what is the sdcard speed?22:36
shadeslayerrbelem: it's on a eMMC22:36
shadeslayerwendar: Ubuntu on your transformer in 10 easy steps : http://paste.kde.org/445916/22:43
wendarsweet! can't wait to try it :)22:44
shadeslayeryep, I can't wait for the resizing to finish :P22:45
shadeslayerwe also need to figure out how to get kernel support for the tegra 2 in the archives22:45
shadeslayera couple of things that need to be fixed here and there, will work on that tomorrow22:46
shadeslayerand it's still resizing ... sigh ... how long will this take!!!22:48
shadeslayerhmm ... i see a x ...22:54
rbelemRiddell, ping22:58
shadeslayerrbelem: do you know what binary needs to be executed to bring up a virtual keyboard in ubuntu?23:05
shadeslayeranything will do23:05
shadeslayerheh, nvm23:07
rbelemshadeslayer, you will need the pkg plasma-active-keyboardcontainer23:09
shadeslayernope, wanted the ubuntu one23:09
shadeslayerit's called onboard23:09
rbelemshadeslayer, hum... never heard23:10
shadeslayerhttp://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-1110s-default-virtual-keyboard-onboard-096-released-exciting-new-features23:10
rbelemshadeslayer, hum... nice23:11
shadeslayer:)23:12
Riddellrbelem: hi23:35
rbelemRiddell, heya :-)23:35
Riddellshadeslayer: ec2 machine can go?23:36
rbelemRiddell, can we move kde-window-manager-common qml, desktop, svg files to kde-window-manager-data?23:37
rbelemRiddell, then we will have kde-window-manager-common and kde-window-manager-active-common23:37
rbelemand kde-window-manager-data23:37
Riddellrbelem: -data to be used by both kwin and kwinactive?23:38
rbelemRiddell, yup23:38
Riddellsure23:38
rbelemsweet23:39
rbelemRiddell, i will make the changes, then i will ping you23:39
Riddellrbelem: I'm probably going to bed soon so send an e-mail to kubuntu-devel list23:41
rbelemRiddell, do you have a fast machine that i could use to build stuff?23:41
Riddellrbelem: I can set up an ec223:41
rbelemRiddell, how fast is an ec2?23:41
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Riddellrbelem: how fast do you want?23:43
Riddellrbelem: ubuntu@ec2-23-20-187-26.compute-1.amazonaws.com23:44
rbelemRiddell, that's good :-D23:45
rbelemRiddell, a xeon is much faster than my 3yrs old core2duo  :-D23:46
rbelemRiddell, thanks23:46
Riddellrbelem: please shut down when you've finished  sudo poweroff -n -f23:48
rbelemRiddell, oki23:48
* rbelem wants to hug Riddell so bad23:49
rbelem:-D23:50
Riddelllucky me :)23:50
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