=== jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [01:10] anybody have any luck with quake2? (runs fine on 11.10) [01:29] Boa noite [01:31] FernandoMiguel: hey [01:47] its amazing how if you use linux compatible h/w it works [01:47] where can I see change log for UNity 5.8 ? [01:48] glosoli: try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+changelog [01:49] jbicha: thanks buddy [02:07] nice. somewhere in these updates, they fixed a problem with certain compiz effects showing artifacts when in use. (minimize mostly) [02:07] this has been a problem since i can't even remember when. [02:44] how install startupmanager [02:51] hmm. desktop environment just crashed, or something, and now it fails to load on boot/login. I get the wallpaper and nothing else. this is following an apt upgrade, but it was an hour or so after. any places I can start looking for troubleshooting? [02:51] aguitel, you may not want that app it will not follow kernel updates. [03:05] nite [03:06] hmm [03:07] xen doesn't seem to work in precise... [03:07] Fyodorovna: any app equivalent ? === emma is now known as em === synaptix|TF2 is now known as synaptix|ubuntu [03:30] how do I enable indicators? [03:30] specifically, the weather indicator [03:31] leftyfb, sudo apt-get install indicator-weather [03:31] enable, not install [03:31] I got that part already [03:31] leftyfb, ah, in the terminal indicator-weather & exit [03:32] leftyfb, you can put it in startup if not there already. [03:32] zero documentation on that or any other indicators [03:33] leftyfb, a bit of the usual what to do after install cruft. https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=things+to+do+with+12.04&btnG=&gbv=1&sei=dUBtT7KPI-WliQKXicS6BQ [03:34] yeah, I'm making that list [03:34] "how to make ubuntu usable again" [03:35] i'll be turning it into a script [03:35] ugh [03:35] looks like paste is broken as well [03:35] as in, highlight paste [03:36] i'm sure some developer somewhere though nobody uses this and it's obviously slowing everything down and confusing people so we'll remove it" [03:38] ok, anyone know how to re-enable the highlight paste? [03:45] HOw many days ? [03:46] April 26th [03:46] Duhh, like a month. [03:46] leftyfb: how is it at the moment, buggy ? [03:47] i've spent 3 days making a list/script of things to fix it [03:47] !party [03:47] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Oneiric release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1186/detail/ [03:47] so far, as expected and is the current theme in the computing industry, they have neutered almost every aspect of the OS [03:48] only 8 users @ #ubuntu-release-party [03:49] leftyfb: cheers. [03:49] so I think it's worth to wait then screw my system up. :) [03:50] you should never install a pre-release anything on a production machine [03:50] or a machine where you don't want to have issues [03:51] Is 12.04 out on April 26th? [03:51] 23:46:01 leftyfb | April 26th [03:51] sorry [03:51] :) [03:52] leftyfb: with Kernel 3.3 right? [03:52] 3.2.0-20-generic-pae [03:52] in beta 2 [03:52] ok [03:56] is there always some serious change in kernal minor version upgrades or something else stopping ubuntu to keep up with the kernal ? [04:22] got it [04:22] combination of running glipper on my synergy server and using synergy client on ubuntu 12.04 [04:50] Hello... I was trying to install JDK7 in my Ubuntu 12.04 (sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk -y --fix-missing), but there's an error =S http://pastebin.com/DsAN2Q6e [04:52] lsmagalhaes: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-ubuntu-12-04.html [04:52] use that to install java [04:52] thank you! [04:53] Will this bug be solved at Ubuntu 12.04 stable? [04:53] ah, I found out my problem from yesterday. Disabling the HUD disables alt+tab somehow https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/962669 [04:53] Launchpad bug 962669 in unity "Alt+tab and Alt+F4 shortcuts do not work [5.6.0-0ubuntu4]" [Undecided,New] [04:53] or is that the only way to install jdk7 in ubuntu, now? [04:54] lsmagalhaes: it's the way I suggest [04:54] openjdk/icedtea is crap [05:19] hmm.. fglrx 8.960 just got pushed as an update in precise [05:20] and i cant see any changelog.. is that catalyst 12.3? who did that wtf? :p [05:55] arg, the HUD is so annoying and i can't turn it off or even remap the key :( [05:57] which version of php is in 12.04 ? [05:57] silv3r_m00n: 5.3.10-1ubuntu2 [05:58] is unity still in 12.04? [05:58] hmm ok [05:58] spupuser1: yes [05:58] ah... [06:38] Hello, I am having difficulty assembling an array using mdadm. I build the array, mount it, mkfs it, add it to mdadm.conf, add it to fstab, reboot, and the system can no longer find it. [06:40] 'mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md0' completes without any output [06:40] 'mdadm --detail /dev/md0' returns 'mdadm: cannot open /dev/md0: No such file or directory' [06:41] 'mdadm -Es' returns this: ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 UUID=cfaa38f6:229f0e93:98d1af90:f84ef666 name=leech:0 [06:41] not sure how to proceed. [06:41] this is all working as expected on my 10.04 fileserver, and I am testing this on 12.04 in a VM. [06:43] what bugs have you found? [07:24] fdisk -l finds a /dev/md127 [07:25] mdadm --detail /dev/md127 returns the expected results for my array that I created as /dev/md0 [07:26] why would it change? [07:28] should I file this as a bug, or am I overlooking something? [07:43] Hello...is this where I should come for help with an issue in Precise? [07:43] yes [07:44] hmm.. ubuntu has just published a secret version of catalyst that doesnt exist [07:44] wtf :p [07:44] Ah, thank you! New to the whole IRC thing, so bear with me [07:44] the latest you can download from ati is 12.2 aka 8.950 .. and the repos just pushed a version 8.960 [07:44] im trying to understand how thats possible :P [07:45] I'm on tonight because after the update to Unity 5.8, I get a solid black desktop in Unity 3D, but not Unity 2D nor GNOME Shell. [07:45] yeah.. the latest unity update.. does not work with this nonexistant version of fglrx [07:45] im using unity2d atm [07:45] I'm using Unity 2D too...in my case I have integrated NVIDIA graphics with Nouveau [07:46] luls [07:46] you tried the nvidia binary driver right? [07:46] Haven't tried that yet, but Nouveau was working well under 5.6 [07:46] Are you having the same issue? [07:47] well.. im on an amd/radeon chip [07:47] and the symptom i get.. is a desktop with icons etc.. no launcher.. cant click on anything [07:47] but mouse moves around [07:47] no panel either [07:48] I also get a mouse cursor, but everything else is solid black...found I can still bring up a hidden terminal window with Ctrl+Alt+T and use sudo reboot to get out of it though [07:48] Maybe I can interact with other stuff, but it's hard to tell since obviously I can't see anything, lol [07:49] I contemplated grabbing a fresh daily build ISO and doing a full reinstall, but I wonder if that's overkill [07:50] it is.. an update just got pushed in the last day or so [07:50] it not working properly.. is somewhat to be expected.. for me.. the secret driver update is far more puzzling [07:50] no changelog or anything.. and no evidence that it even exists [07:50] im glad its affecting nvidia too though.. because that would then indicate its a problem with unity itself [07:51] I haven't updated my laptop yet, but I'm curious to see if the same thing happens there since that uses Intel graphics [07:51] you could try unity --reset [07:51] and deleting your settings etc.. i would do that.. but i cant be bothered [07:52] I thought of trying all that...btw, do you know how to log out via the terminal so I can avoid a full reboot everytime I trap myself in 3D? [07:53] yeah [07:53] sudo service lightdm restart [07:53] will get you back to the login prompt [07:54] Ah, thanks. I'll write that down and come back after trying some stuff [07:54] Im currently upgrading to precise and some of the dash icons have been replaced by a "?" [07:55] The upgrade is still in process [07:55] then wait until the updated finished [08:00] im about to try gnome instead [08:01] Back with great news: Unity 3D works again for me! (For now) [08:02] how did you fix it [08:02] if you tell me you reset your settings.. im gonna get partially annoyed.. then just sigh :p [08:02] Logging in and doing a unity --replace only brought back the wallpaper...then yeah, I did a unity --reset, sry [08:03] But the funny part is that I can't remember messing with any settings prior to the upgrade...interesting [08:03] Now before we get all excited, I haven't even tried logging out and back in, or doing a reboot yet, so I'm not sure if it's fixed "for good" [08:05] Anyways, still going to give you a big thanks for pointing me in the right direction :) [08:11] ok im back in unity [08:11] unity is an eye candy [08:12] i prefer to work in the gnome [08:13] not really.. i find it quite practical actually [08:14] maximises screen real estate.. especially with the launcher set to autohide [08:35] Back again, @Snadge. Got the same issue on my laptop with Intel graphics and fixed the issue there in exactly the same way [08:36] Anyways, I've filed a bug here in case you or anyone else is interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/963633 [08:36] Launchpad bug 963633 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity 5.8: Entire screen stays solid black except the mouse cursor when logged into Unity 3D, but can still "use" the desktop" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:39] I am thinking this is not a graphics issue personally, but it sure will be annoying to anyone who also does the upgrade, I figure. Anyways, leaving for tonight, might come back on tomorrow with a couple minor questions after some sleep. Thanks again! [08:40] dammit left too quickly :p [08:40] i'll say it affects me too.. what the hell [08:41] omg.. im famous, i was mentioned in the bug report ;) [08:45] does anyone know how I can install gnome-shell 3.2 in 12.04 ? the default version - 3.3.92 - is screwing with my extensions [09:11] can anyone try pageup/pagedown in evince, see if it's smooth scrolling? [09:27] How do you use the hud in unity? [09:31] nm, found it === sdx24 is now known as sdx23 [09:43] http://tinypic.com/r/14ay4o2/5 my cool desktop [09:44] anyone else using fglrx 8.960 that just got pushed in precise? [09:44] version comes up wrong for me [09:46] still no anti-aliasing [09:49] where [09:50] I meant brenty's screenshot [09:51] anti-aliasing seems to be working for me :) i changed the setting in fonts to medium hinting and they look better- to me.. [09:52] brenty, wth his that. [09:52] brenty, I can't tell what DE it is... [09:52] kde 4.8.1 im on kubuntu 11.10 with kde backports ppa for 4.8.1 [09:53] xool [09:53] ah, now I see it says ubuntu... [09:53] brenty: I don't mean texts, I mean the desktop cube, look at the edges [09:53] got a circuit board wallpaper and the ghost window and plasma themes [09:54] new updates fixed the major problems i had like things sticking in task bar. now the laptop is ready for show-off [09:55] hmm [09:56] yeah the cube edges and text looks chunky. but when its not rotating the cube it all looks super smooth... [09:57] seems like i remember changing an opengl setting in desktop effects to make more fast less nice looking [09:58] it always amazes me compiz can do that many crazy effects but no anti aliasing for window corner or curve lines [09:59] yeah while the window is wobbling around or the cube is rotating things can look a little off or crummy. but when a window is still it looks super [10:00] Anyone experiencing mad flickering after the most recent (yesterday's) Compiz update, or is it just me ? [10:00] you've never met this bug then :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/764330 [10:00] Launchpad bug 764330 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[regression] Moving windows lags behind the mouse by 1-2 seconds; appear to freeze when dragging." [High,Fix committed] [10:01] I mean how can it do scale window so smooth, but dragging can stutter... [10:02] st1: you should be happy - it says fix committed [10:03] I tried disabling all additional plugins - no effect. [10:03] I tried changing workaround options, turning all of them on and off - no effect. [10:03] I purged xorg edgers PPA (although I am on Intel and it never made problems) - no effect. [10:03] I will be when they release it for oneiric or when I upgrade to precise [10:03] Unity 5.8 now starts again here at least, but with that flickering it is impossible to do anything productive or passive (I could listen to music without problems though :P) [10:04] it looks like every redraw anywhere on screen causes Compiz to clear and redraw the whole screen, so if I close everything the flickering will be triggered each second, because of the clock which updates :-/ [10:04] removing Unity and starting just with Compiz does not make the flicker disappear, so I am quite sure the problem has something to do with the last Compiz update on Precise 12.04. [10:05] what happens when you remove unity on ubuntu now? [10:05] seems like i remember tinkering with a checkbox in compiz settings that caused the same thing back in ubuntu 9 or 10 [10:06] yuv or something? [10:06] st1: I would not recommend the update ;) removing Unity here means starting Compiz without Unity [10:07] brenty: yuv ? [10:07] so you log into unity session with no launcher or anything? does windows have any decorator ? [10:08] st1: I had to log in without Unity, because 5.6 0ubuntu4 was crashing here - windows have deco then, because of gtk-win-decorator [10:09] st1: I also use Docky and Synapse, so no problems to work without Unity (missing the tray then ofc) [10:09] I thought unity is doing decorating now since there's a unity-window-decorator process [10:09] trying to remember the check box i checked, apply, unchecked, apply to fix a similar issue with compiz before [10:09] not yet here [10:10] I would personally like to see Emerald doing the decorations for Ubuntu as default [10:10] but I guess that won't happen soon :'( [10:11] yeah, at least emerald can do anti aliased corners [10:11] brenty: please do remember, although I am pessimistic about a checkbox fixing my problem [10:14] you would be surprised. couldnt get folder directory preview to work. toggled checkbox off and on... works now [10:16] st1: Emerald can do much more than that, but still it seems to get simply dropped - there is not even a possibility to install it on Precise yet, previous versions of Ubuntu have been supported via Emerald PPAs, but now it does not compile anymore :P [10:16] http://tinypic.com/r/sysdgm/5 [10:19] MCR1: I know, I'm just frustrated to see smooth round corner gets push and push from Canonical and gnome team [10:27] I cannot file a compiz bug with "ubuntu-bug compiz" ? [11:06] is anybody running gnome-shell in 12.04 ? how are u getting your extensions to work ? [11:15] is there a way to get java apps to automaticly run if i double click them instead of having to first do java -jar filename.jar [11:37] by java apps you mean minecraft? :p [11:39] minecraft the new 'second life' [11:39] :P [11:39] i start it with a shell script.. unfortunately precise has regressed somewhat with regards to minecraft [11:40] if you run it under unity.. performance is initially amazing.. but then it slows down over a period of time and becomes choppy.. unity2d, is slower overall.. but more consistent [11:40] it also crashes upon exit.. the best i can tell is that has something to do with lwjgl, display driver and/or xorg update [11:41] it works fine in oneiric [11:43] for me, minecraft works ok [11:43] except maybe the crappy nouveau performance [11:44] what happens when you exit from the menu [11:45] does it raise an exception? [11:45] i cant believe nouveau has gotten good enough for people to actually use it [11:46] sign of the times i guess.. i remember when it was just a joe [11:46] err joke [11:48] morning [11:49] just wondering, i updated ubuntu this morning now the unity dash and the menu bar along the top are going crazy [11:53] Medjai: i am here [11:53] lol same [11:54] ok well right now i'm currently on the same laptop with the ubuntu partition [11:54] so i'll need to reboot for that [11:54] stop [11:54] nope you dont? [11:54] i dont? [11:54] ubuntu partition? what do you mean? [11:54] two seperate partitions? [11:54] i'm on windows atm [11:54] dual boot [11:55] oh! in that case you will have to, yepp... [11:55] but what does xorg control btw [11:55] as said, if you still have the file just delete it, or if you want to be ob the save side rename it [11:55] xorg is your graphics server [11:56] so by renaming it it will just regenerate it correctly on next boot? [11:56] well the config i mean [11:56] ive just seen that others have posted in the forums with the same flickering issues [11:56] after the round of updates this morning [11:57] i don't have a flickering issue [11:57] m problem is after i login [11:57] all i see is my wallpaper [11:57] it will stay there forever [11:57] sometimes i'll see the 12.04 LTS splash on the bottom left [11:57] did you update this morning? [11:57] but it won't go past that [11:57] this actually happened last night [11:57] or earlier [11:57] depending on your time zone i guess [11:57] i guess [11:58] i'm GMT -5 [11:58] US Eastern Standard Time [11:58] ok... well i think some update has messed some graphics settings up majorly :/ [11:58] what are people saying on the forum djbenny [11:58] has there been a solution? [11:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1946138 [11:59] not as far as i can see [11:59] though i think there is a launchpad report [12:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/963093 [12:00] Launchpad bug 963093 in unity (Ubuntu Precise) "Unity 5.8: Flickering and corruption on Unity UI elements" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:00] yeah there is [12:00] hmm i'm not having any flickering though [12:01] i'm going to rename the xorg.conf and see if that solves my issue [12:01] i'll be right back guys [12:08] welli fixed it by doing unity --reset [12:15] Medjai, I'm having the same problem you are [12:16] Don't seem to have an xorg.conf located in /etc/X11 [12:16] What's happening to you exactly? [12:17] after the login screen, all I get is the wallpaper [12:17] Medjai: did it do the trick? [12:17] Medjai: no xorg.conf? [12:17] Nope [12:17] interestingly enough, though, it first happened not after a reboot, but after the panel, menu, and desktop started flickering and flashing for a minute [12:18] I'm in the recovery kernel as root but that shouldn't matter right? [12:18] Medjai: too bad... then i am afraid i have to recommend you to stick to the bugreport that djbenny mentioned... [12:18] Medjai, are you also on intel graphics? [12:19] Yep [12:19] of course not, the file system hierarchy and it contents stay the same [12:20] what does unity --reset do? I don't want to lose my settings if possible [12:21] I am experiencing heavy, mad flickering after latest Compiz update here (Intel GMA HD4500 gfx) [12:21] hd4500? [12:21] already changed gfx driver, removed Unity - Compiz is the culprint and latest update did it is my guess [12:21] spupuser1: yep [12:21] hd4000 and hd2500 are not out yet [12:22] MCR1, that's what we're talking about. you were the one that had the same problem as me last time, right? [12:22] You're saying it's the compiz package? [12:23] spupuser1: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_x4500hd&num=1 [12:23] quantumlemur: not sure which one ;) [12:24] Medjai: just a wild guess after removing the other possibilities ;) [12:24] Medjai: I am pretty sure [12:24] MCR1, I think unity had been removed in an update, or something? or some updates were released out of order? [12:24] Where is the compiz config stored [12:25] I'd like to back it up before I remove the package [12:25] Medjai: open ccsm to back it up [12:25] im running the new unity :D [12:25] i have no idea whats new though [12:25] But technically if I was to use ubuntu 2d to login it shouldnt start compiz up right? [12:26] correct [12:26] quantumlemur: you have to be careful when doing a dist-upgrade that all needed packages have already been released and nothing gets removed [12:26] ubuntu2d works fine after the update.. a few users have reported having to unity --reset [12:26] to get unity working after the latest update [12:26] Ah ok [12:27] So then yes it maybe compiz [12:27] unity-2d worx here [12:27] lol unity2d i meant before.. i've been drinking moonshine [12:29] Yep 2d works too [12:30] This is retarded I want my wobbly windows lol [12:35] hello all [12:35] Medjai: its workign for me.. did you try unity --reset ? [12:35] is there a way to set openbox as the default desktop manager in 1204? [12:35] this computer is too slow for unity .... [12:35] Snadge does that reset your settings? [12:35] yeah it does [12:36] ah [12:36] i've just find out how :) [12:36] bsd is better for an old pc [12:36] you could also try xfce c0rnel.. i know you can just install that, and select it from the login manager [12:36] the selecting was my problem, but i've clicked on the ubuntu icon and there it was :) [12:37] thank you snadge [12:37] hmmm [12:37] no applications menu .... [12:38] spupuser1, thank you, but i don't really understand some concepts there, like partitions [12:38] also, i have no idea if i can add a bsd to the existing ~ 6 linux distros installed [12:39] broken slow design :p [12:40] apparently x eats a lot of resorces [12:41] yeah its a turd.. i remember running X on a 486 with 8mb of ram, back in the day [12:41] what's that application that starts at (text) login and says how many updates are available [12:41] yes, maybe even 486 sx with 4mb of ram :) [12:41] slackware 1.0 [12:41] things have changed a tiny bit since then [12:42] just a little bit [12:42] mmm [12:42] it's not that, only the server has it [12:47] hi [12:54] Submitted a bug report now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/963872 [12:54] Launchpad bug 963872 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Precise 12.04: experiencing mad flickering after the most recent Compiz update to version 0.9.7.2" [Undecided,New] [13:00] 1396 upgraded, 509 newly installed, 46 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [13:00] Need to get 951 MB of archives. [13:00] 12.04 :-) [13:00] any reasons to press N? [13:01] 46 to remove [13:02] ur right mayb i should scroll back and see what are those 46 [13:03] skype ubuntu-desktop mysql* nothing _too_ serious [13:03] OH NO gnome-mahjongg! [13:04] you are upgrading to 12.04 from 11.10, i presume? [13:04] no 11.04 [13:04] well i dont care everything is backed up and i got a recovery partition [13:05] pressed Y and here we go [13:05] good luck, let's hope everything goes well. [13:06] if not mayb i'll help the beta process [13:07] :) [13:17] I just read on omgubuntu about bugs and if the bugs one think of is important enough for this release or if it can wait for 12.10. They will not stop bugfixes for 12.04 just because they will be working on 12.10 will they? I mean there usually comes a 12.04.1 and .2 .3 and .4 also right? [13:18] spacebug-, lts typically has point releases, yes [13:18] good [13:19] because from 12.04 and forward I was thinking about only sticking to LTS:es [13:19] Well bugfixes happens continuously, point releases are just when they are stuffed onto a new liveCD right? [13:20] that was my thought also. Just that what was written on that site sounded strange [13:20] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-development-update-18/ [13:21] when development for 12.10 starts, bug fixes primarily focuses on 12.10, while critical and security bugs will be backported depending on the seriousness of the bugs and the level of difficulty required in backporting. [13:22] ok [13:23] well, 11.04 never got the fix for missing gnome applets ;> [13:23] tfu, 10.04 [13:23] omgubuntu isn't always dead on the ball, I've noticed... [13:24] and regarding point releases, arand is pretty accurate. [13:25] the bugs I was thinking of is BAMF related and has HIGH or MEDIUM Importance state [13:26] btw, is anyone else missing the wallpaper-in-lightdm thingy? [13:27] ironhalik: there is a bug that prevents lightdm from showing the current wallpaper if you are using wallpaper slideshow. [13:27] or if you are using an encrypted home folder [13:27] yup, Im encrypted [13:28] well, Im encrypted on my lappy, but not on desktop, where the problem is too [13:28] and no slideshow either [13:28] ill try to move my wallpaper to /usr/share [13:28] hope it works out well. [13:29] spacebug-: Importance matters less than if/if not someone feels like working on them ;) [13:30] yeah seems so ;) [13:38] jokerdino: yup, moving the wallpaper to /usr/share/background with proper permissions fixed the problem [13:38] next, I wonder if you can reenable the lightdm lock screen :) [13:39] nice to know. [13:41] shame it works currently for one user, for one wallpaper :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:46] hah, wow... _extreme_ regressions after todays upgrades! :) [13:46] don't say that... im updating atm [13:46] Unity is completely broken. Unity 2D works fine, though. [13:47] and I haven't tried Unity 2D in a little while, so that's fine. I'll just have to look into what broke later today. [13:48] in unity, i have to spend many clicks to run a simple app [13:48] It works for me [13:48] so i go back to gnome [13:49] spupuser1, why do you have to do that? [13:49] spupuser1, Ubuntu uses Gnome by default by the way. [13:49] jo-erlend: unity --replace doesn't fix the UI for you? [13:49] alt+f2 still works in the same manor in unity. [13:50] jokerdino, not even close. [13:50] also, pinning apps to the launcher is a one click process from there on out. [13:50] so...many clicks, i don't see it. [13:50] how manage grub2 ? is possible to install startupmanager ? [13:50] meta+a key shows all installed apps. [13:50] oh dear, i don't want to upgrade already. [13:50] one click [13:51] spupuser1, your 15-20 most used applications should require one click. 20-50 should require 2-3 clicks. [13:51] am i the only 1 still using alt-f2 to run my apps? [13:51] i do it sometimes out of habit. [13:52] but just hitting the meta key gets the job done too. [13:52] CTRL-Space for Synapse here [13:52]