[06:50] <infinity> roaksoax: You around?
[06:51] <infinity> roaksoax: That cobbler upload.  You correctly ditched the apache2ctl call in one maintainer script, but left it in others.
[06:51] <infinity> roaksoax: All start/stop stuff should be going through invoke-rc.d
[07:32] <jhojho> Sarvatt: even hardy is faster http://pastebin.com/XrFUT8Zq
[07:32] <jhojho> more usage of aes-128 than aes-256
[16:06] <roaksoax> infinity: yes I am aware of that. But if you can figure out a way of not having it failing on the postrm when using invoke-rc.d, then please, provide a patch
[16:06] <roaksoax> it is just not enough changing it to invoke-rc.d cause it will fail
[18:01] <Eren> how can I delete a package without calling its prerm, postrm scripts?
[18:03] <Eren> I've detected a problem with the package I'm working on. While upgrading the package, the new version adds user/group in preinst script, after the old package is removed and its postrm script is called. However, postrm deletes the user/group so the new package's postrm script cannot chown some directories
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> Eren: I've no idea if this is safe, but I suppose you could comment out the contents of the script by editing it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[18:14] <slangasek> roaksoax: why are you calling invoke-rc.d in the postrm?  Stopping services is a prerm operation
[18:14] <Eren> what's a common practice for user/groups in ubuntu?
[18:14] <Eren> "if needed, add user/group and leave forever?"
[18:25] <tumbleweed> Eren: yes. removing users and groups is problematic. There could be files owned by them
[18:31] <PaoloRotolo> hi all!
[18:33] <sladen> danjared: gcc -o helloworld helloworld.c
[19:05] <infinity> roaksoax: Eh?  How will apache2ctl work, but invoke-rc.d fail?
[19:06] <infinity> roaksoax: I'm not suggesting you remove the guards to make sure /etc/init.d/apache2 and invoke-rc.d exist or anything, just that you stop invoking apache2ctl directly.  And given how hard it is to have apache2ctl installed without /etc/init.d/apache2, I'm curious how it fails.
[19:13] <slangasek> oh, it's postrm because it's a reload command, right ;)
[19:23] <infinity> slangasek: Probably.  I've already mostly forgotten. :P
[19:24] <infinity> slangasek: My objection is that the postinst and postrm both had [ -x apache2ctl ] || [ -x invoke-rc.d ] (ish) logic, and the postinst was fixed to stop being silly, the postrm wasn't.  I can't quite sort out why.
[19:24] <slangasek> right
[19:26] <alabd> Good day all , my home partition was full and seems my laptop has been turned off cause of battery lack , after booting again ubuntu and while logging in my user , it return an error that "could not update /home/alabd/.ICEauthority ", , now there is free space and permission of the file is 777 , but error remains ...another problem ocurred is that it adds  /home/alabd  to /bin/ address like this >  alabd@alabd:~$ ping bash: /home/alabd/bin/ping: cann
[19:27] <ikonia> alabd: this is not a support channel
[19:27] <ikonia> alabd: as you know
[20:06] <alabd> any opinion ?
[20:06] <ikonia> alabd: this is NOT a support channel
[20:06] <ikonia> alabd: do you understand yes/no ?
[21:03] <Nafallo> hmm. my mini does not like -proposed at the moment.
[21:03] <Nafallo> I've got lots of flickering all over the screen.
[21:03] <Nafallo> I think I'll just revert to a previous snapshot, because this is painful.
[21:03] <Nafallo> brb
[21:32] <Nafallo> hrm
[21:32] <Nafallo> apt-btrfs-snapshot set-default is broken...
[21:54] <roaksoax> infinity: invorke-rc.d apache2 restart --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/898444/
[21:55] <roaksoax> infinity: invoke-rc.d apache2 reload --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/898446/
[21:55] <roaksoax> infinity: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/898447/
[21:56] <roaksoax> infinity: all of the above, failures
[21:56] <sabdfl> smoser, cloud-init is lovely stuff
[21:56] <roaksoax> infinity: apache2ctl restart --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/898451/ --> success!
[22:06] <roaksoax> slangasek: I'm not stopping a service in the postrm in cobbler. apache2 needs to be installed after purging cobbler as cobbler symlinks config for apache2, so when removed, it needs to restart as the configs are gone
[22:31] <Daviey> Anyone know if live-build supports putting the full binary in an intiramfs, rather than dependant on an external disk image?
[22:46] <infinity> roaksoax: Looks like it just needs a >/dev/null
[22:46] <infinity> roaksoax: Because it's taking the output of the init script as debconf input.
[22:47] <infinity> Daviey: I'm not sure I understand the question.  You want to build an initrd, and then throw away the rootfs (easy), or make the rootfs an initrd (live-build doesn't make initrds, initramfs-tools does)?
[22:47] <infinity> roaksoax: Or you need to stop debconf before you restart the webserver.  Take your pick.