[00:00] <axisys> I appended this end of the `quiet -- ' priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/uinstall. using standard 10.04 lts 64bit image
[00:02] <axisys> how do I check if it got an IP from busybox?
[00:02] <axisys> dmesg shows eth0 is ready 100 full
[00:03] <axisys> cat /var/log/syslog gave lots of info
[00:03] <axisys> nm
[00:13] <axisys> that bit.ly was redirected to https.. no wonder why it was failing
[00:25] <Smaug> hey all, to allow the webserver to write a directory, what should I chnage the permissions/ownership/group?  (ie which user is my webserver user - I am using apache2, but it is not obivous from the list of users
[00:28] <bob921> Is there a canonical way to manage wireless connections on ubuntu-server, or should I just write a wpa_supplicant.conf and run that on startup?
[00:30] <bob921> Ah, looks like I should use /etc/network/interfaces. Reading manpage now.
[03:36] <tyler> i've got a home server w/wireless using wpasupplicant, but sometimes my network connection goes down
[03:36] <tyler> is there some way i can get it automatically reconnected?
[03:36] <tyler> the router itself goes down, i mean
[03:43] <ehnde> nvm, i'll use a bash script with crontab
[04:47] <mumixam> anyone know of a way to get the serial #/ID for a harddrive that has failed and the system does not see it anymore?
[04:49] <lifeless> should be on a label on it
[04:49] <mumixam> on the disk itself?
[04:50] <mumixam> ive got disk that has failed, but id like to know which one
[04:51] <mumixam> im looking for something to link the /dev name to a serial #
[04:51] <mumixam> and i cant check udev becasue the disk is 'desynced'
[04:57] <mumixam> i guess my best bet it check the neighboring drives serials and compile a list next time at boot
[05:24] <blendedbychris> I halted my do-package-upgrade … can i resume it somehow >.<
[05:24] <blendedbychris> ?
[05:26] <blendedbychris> or just run the upgrade process from natty ro oneric again
[05:26] <blendedbychris> to
[06:19] <taipres> does lighttpd really have bad memory leaks?
[06:19] <taipres> that they apparently haven't fixed all this time?
[08:48] <hallyn> jjohansen: aa_change_onexec() still giving me EPERM when aa_change_profile works...
[08:48] <hallyn> (just fyi - going to bed.  may file bug later)
[08:49] <hallyn> eh, what the heck, will file bug now
[13:17] <emptiness> I am trying to follow the guide on installing openLDAP on ubuntu server, but when I try and ldapadd the frontend.ldif, I get an error stating "no global superior knowledge" when adding the group entry at the end of the example. anybody experienced this?
[13:21] <emptiness> nvm, figured it out
[17:58] <Sam23947> Hi, I have some questions regarding mailserver and SMTP replay. Is this the right place to ask?
[18:01] <ikonia> if you're running it on ubuntu, sure
[18:02] <Sam23947> I do. 10.10
[18:03] <JanC> 10.10 only has 18 months of support, so you can ask questions for one more month...  ;)
[18:03] <Sam23947> I'm following this tutorial: http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[18:03] <JanC> but please go on (your question probably isn't version-dependent)
[18:04] <Sam23947> He states: Next you need to decide whether to send all outgoing mail via another SMTP server,
[18:04] <Sam23947> # or put it an accessible smtp server relayhost = smtp.yourisp.com
[18:04] <remix_tj> ok what's the problem?
[18:04] <remix_tj> :-)
[18:04] <Sam23947> so I came cross this: http://darrynvt.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/setup-sendmail-notifications-for-gmail-smtp/#comment-28
[18:05] <Sam23947> and im wondering if i can just put googles SMTP server there and it will work
[18:05] <Sam23947> or if there is a better solution
[18:05] <Sam23947> caus eim worried about spamfilters since the mailserver is for a onlinestore
[18:05] <JanC> Sam23947: is this a server at home or a server/VPS hosted somewhere?
[18:06] <Sam23947> VPS
[18:06] <remix_tj> do you really need a relayhost?
[18:06] <JanC> then you can send mail yourself
[18:06] <JanC> the relayhost is often needed when you are on DSL or cable because ISPs tend to block outgoing SMTP traffic...
[18:07] <Sam23947> idk, i have no experince with mail servers. I basicaly need an mailadress with my domain name from which i can send and receive mails and they should not get caught uop by spamfilters
[18:09] <Sam23947> mails send via sendmail all land in smpamfolder atm
[18:09] <JanC> Sam23947: I have a VPS and use no relayhost and (except for, very exceptionally, some stupid mailmasters that don't know the SMTP specs) my mail never gets blocked
[18:10] <JanC> Sam23947: land in who's spamfolder?
[18:10] <Sam23947> receipient
[18:11] <Sam23947> hotmail, gmail, yahoomail, etc
[18:11] <JanC> Sam23947: all recipients using 1 mail provider, or using multiple?
[18:11] <JanC> heh
[18:13] <JanC> Sam23947: does the "from:"-domain have any restrictions about what mailserver mails can originate?
[18:13] <Sam23947> not that im aware of
[18:14] <Sam23947> as he writes: "Sending email directly from the MTA (mail transfer agent) on one’s server is now considered to be faux pas. Unless you’ve got that machine configured within DNS (MX record, reverse lookup, etc), it’d likely fail most basic spam checks at the destination mail server. "
[18:14] <seekwill> Sam23947: You should outsource that
[18:14] <JanC> eh
[18:14] <JanC> seekwill: why?
[18:14] <Sam23947> crossed my mind
[18:15] <seekwill> Because email is serious business these days, with the amount of spam and abuse out there
[18:15] <seekwill> It's not the same as any other service
[18:15] <seekwill> (http, etc)
[18:15] <JanC> Sam23947: configuring MX records is a good idea, of course, otherwise you won't be able to receive mail back...
[18:15] <Sam23947> how much would u estimate for setting it up if i use one of those freelancer sites?
[18:16] <emptiness> someone familiar with scrambled samba SID in phpldapadmin?
[18:16] <seekwill> "Sending email directly from the MTA (mail transfer agent) on one’s server is now considered to be faux pas" <-- doesn't make sense
[18:16] <JanC> seekwill: I admin a couple of servers in my free time, and even without a fancy config mail still works the same as 10 years ago...
[18:16] <emptiness> (not scrambled, but showing code instead of the SID digits)
[18:16] <seekwill> JanC: ok :)
[18:17] <JanC> seekwill: of course if you want to do fancy things, you need to configure it correctly (but that was true in 2000 too)
[18:18] <Sam23947> only want to send and receive mails without getting caught in spam, ont know if thats fancy but its certainly all rather confusing for a noob like me, so idk if i should continue frustrating myself another few days with this or outsource it
[18:18] <seekwill> Managing a mail server is difficult, and for most people, better to be outsourced. Google Apps does it for free/cheap
[18:18] <JanC> something that is true: if you send mail from your own server, make sure random people can't send mail that way
[18:19] <seekwill> Sam23947: Managing a mailserver is not a "setup and forget" service
[18:19] <JanC> e.g.: don't allow forum memebers to contact each other via mail  :P
[18:19] <Sam23947> so what do you recon?
[18:19] <JanC> (via a mail form)
[18:20] <JanC> Sam23947: if you only want to send mail for specific purposes, I would just use local postfix
[18:20] <JanC> site-specific
[18:21] <seekwill> Sam23947: Google Apps hosts mail for free. Rackspace charges $2/month or something. That's usually a better solution :)
[18:21] <Sam23947> its for a webstore, order confirmations and support emails are the primary reason
[18:22] <seekwill> Sam23947: I would highly recommend outsourcing email then, since it is obviously important in your use case. If you don't outsource, you'll want to read up and study about how email works.
[18:22] <JanC> Sam23947: I won't expect too much problems with handling it yourself then, but if you don't want to learn/handle mail-specific issues, outsourcing is an option, of course
[18:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: yeah sorry, there was a build failure (sorted out post freeze) on the beta2 upload and a revert and some patches didn't make it in.  There will be another upload as soon as the freeze lifts
[18:23] <JanC> I won't recommend Google though (seen too much stupidity over there already :P )
[18:24] <seekwill> If this is for a business, something like sendgrid is probably what you want
[18:25] <Sam23947> ok thank you guys, been very helpful. I'll chk out sendgrid
[18:26] <JanC> it's possible that the VPS hosting company has its own mail solutions too
[18:26] <Sam23947> they dont
[18:26] <helpme555> hello all
[18:29] <helpme555> how I can chnage folder permission (exp: chwon command) and that permission should be also for the new files add in the future
[19:32] <blendedbychris> can one go from release to lts?
[19:32] <blendedbychris> i just need some new packages real quick and was going to upgrade my current lts to "normal" for until lts is released
[19:32] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: you mean upgrade from a non-lts to an lts?
[19:33] <blendedbychris> yea say i was on ocelot or something
[19:33] <blendedbychris> oneric
[19:33] <blendedbychris> hangin out there until lts 12 is released
[19:34] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: not quite sure what you're saying.  you want to upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 (under development)?
[19:35] <blendedbychris> yea but upgraded 11.10 to 12.04 once it's stable
[19:35] <blendedbychris> upgrade*
[19:35] <blendedbychris> any reason why i couldn't do that?
[19:35] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: just wait until 12.04 is released, then upgrade
[19:36] <blendedbychris> i need a package in 11.10 heh
[19:36] <blendedbychris> is going from 11.10 to 12.04 lts a supported upgrade path
[19:36] <blendedbychris> ?
[19:37] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: what do you mean by 'supported'?
[19:37] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: whether it is supposed to work properly?
[19:37] <blendedbychris> yes?
[19:37] <pmatulis> blendedbychris: sure
[19:37] <hggdh> yes, it is: Lucid -> Precise and Oneiric -> Precise are supported
[19:38] <blendedbychris> okie doke thanks
[19:49] <blendedbychris> if i'm upgraded from lucid to maverick and get "While scanning your repository information no mirror entry for the upgrade was found. This can happen if you run a internal mirror or if the mirror information is out of date."
[19:49] <blendedbychris> i'm using a mirror… but should i just put the ubuntu repos in my sources.list?
[19:49] <blendedbychris> official*
[19:59] <hggdh> you can. Or you can update your mirrors ;-)
[20:53] <hallyn> jjohansen: stgraber: the re-push of apparmor upload is a prereq (well, sort of, there *is* a workaround, but...) for fixing the edubuntu builds
[20:54] <hallyn> jjohansen: stgraber: so should the apparmor upload happen now (before freeze lifts)?
[20:54] <socializer> hello
[20:54] <hallyn> if need be, i guess i can just mount proc myself in the code and do the proper fix after freeze...
[20:55] <socializer> can someone get me a link to the install instructions for jircii install instructions
[20:56] <hallyn> jircii?  sorry not heard of it
[21:01] <stgraber> hallyn: if jjohansen can get a fixed apparmor uploaded on Monday, we should be fine for beta2. If later then it'll become a problem as it affects all images and requires re-testing of all of them
[21:01] <stgraber> (we're currently frozen but we don't have a beta2-candidate yet, so bugfixes uploaded until then should be allowed through pretty easily as long as they look sane)
[21:13] <hallyn> stgraber: if I manually mount /proc, should I then umount it, or do your containers not care?
[21:17] <stgraber> hallyn: the current code should work either way. I think it'd be best not to have people expect /proc to be mounted for them though
[21:17] <hallyn> ok i'll umount it if i mounted it, thanks
[23:48] <nancy--> how to know how much bandwidth is used in amazons ec2 cloud. i cant find any docs help or on google  ?
[23:55] <Martyn> nancy-- : ??
[23:55] <Martyn> nancy-- : Your usage report is in your AWS user section
[23:56] <Martyn> nancy-- : Although if you want to gather other statistics, you're going to need to manage MRTG or Cactus yourself, and monitor each host
[23:57] <nancy--> Martyn,  are they free?
[23:57] <nancy-->  how to get them?
[23:58] <Martyn> nancy--: Ah, you don't have much experience with this I take it then...
[23:58] <Martyn> nancy--: The tools you need are free (both beer and speech)
[23:59] <Martyn> but installing and setting them up isn't purely trivial ...
[23:59] <Martyn> what kind of information are you looking for?
[23:59] <Martyn> Because your -total- aggregate used bandwidth is trivially found in the Amazon Web Services console, under your account