[00:04] ciao [00:34] hello ma [00:34] hello matt_symes [00:34] even [00:34] :D [00:34] hey pa [00:35] hello forestpiskie [00:35] didn't expect to see me in here [00:35] you're up late :) Must be the weekend. [00:36] I've heard you forest folk get about [00:36] 3 giggling 12 year olds woke me up :( [00:36] D: [00:36] I should learn to say no more often :p [00:36] probably shouldn't tell us more [00:36] Better than any alarm clock [00:37] ha ha ha [00:37] I'll learn 'em though - lights on at 6am :D [00:37] revenge ;) lol [00:38] daftykins: I'm a soft single dad who takes it out on forum trolls lol [00:38] :D [00:38] matt_symes: indeed - it went a bit quiet when I turned the upstairs leccy off [00:38] XD [00:39] nice move [00:39] oh lord - english tv at silly o'clock includes the twoering inferno then [00:39] Must remember that one [00:39] * forestpiskie puts music on [00:39] matt_symes: it worked surprisingly quickly lol [00:39] with the kids today i'd have thought changing the wireless key would scupper them [00:40] :D [00:40] ha ha ha [00:40] she uses linux ... she's had to work things out :) [00:40] excellent training [00:40] yep [00:40] strange noises from the school though lol [00:41] howdy [00:41] hello andylockran [00:41] o andylockran [00:41] o/ [00:41] forestpiskie: do they use Linux in school now ? [00:42] not here - but she's used to doing things not the ms way [00:42] so they asked lol [00:42] I wish they did [00:43] Must have confused them no end. Take in a Live USB stick to show them ? [00:44] I think the IT 'teacher' has some idea - but I've been there for a few days before when I was trying to get into teaching - not very open at all :( [00:44] "what is zeez magical thing, it's a picture that has no start button!" [00:44] lol [00:45] ha ha ha [00:46] i'm quite jealous of younger generations now, with the information they have access to [00:46] who need a ?start? button anyway. I want to !do! not ?start? [00:46] when i was ridiculously keen to learn you were at the mercy of others onlines' patience [00:46] and also OSs were harder to mess with pre-virtualisation and also lack of shared net connections to be able to experiment easier [00:47] daftykins: when I was at school we still learnt Lsd and proper measurements [00:47] interesting school giving out LSD :D [00:47] I add that when I left we weren't ... [00:47] daftykins: so am i especially in schools. It was a couple of BBC model Bs when i was in school [00:48] =] [00:48] daftykins: special school ... :) [00:48] forestpiskie 60s child :) [00:48] yea - just :) [00:49] between a rock and a hard place - learnt proper measurements - but still had slide rules and log tables when exams came [00:50] so I did my 60s at stonehenge in the late70s/early 80s [00:51] nice place for it. [00:51] it was :) [00:51] or at least to start with :p [00:52] right i'm giving up on Friday and committing to Saturday, g'night all \o [00:53] night [00:53] sounds like a plan. Good night \o/ [00:53] night matt_symes [00:53] night all [00:53] good night peeps [00:54] o/ [02:10] my first shared internet connection had a 386 as router and ran over 2BaseT/coax [02:10] all parts bought at computer fair for under £50 [02:12] 10base2. [02:12] yeah that's the one [02:12] thin ethernet [02:13] i loved that stuff [02:13] being able to plug in an extra machine without dropping a cable was handy [02:14] not so handy for the network admin trying to find the rogue machines though [02:16] my first 4 port 10base-t hub cost more than my entire network up to that point [08:29] hi all. can anyone tell me if theres a 64 bit ubuntu. ive got ubuntu on my machine but its only got the 32 bit on here [08:30] there is jonsaint [08:31] you'd have to reinstall to get it though [08:31] where can i grait? [08:31] yeah i know, where can i get it? [08:31] current version? [08:31] yes. [08:31] http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download [08:32] when the next version is released next month, will that also be upgraded as well? [08:32] just change the 32 bit to 64 bit [08:32] it will ask if you want to upgrade to it yes [08:32] superb. many thanks [08:32] welcome [08:51] good morning lovelies [08:54] morning all [08:57] Morning christel and AlanBell [08:57] ALthough I wouldnt class myself in the "lovelies" group :P [09:07] aww of course you are! [09:07] another sunny day today :D [09:07] \o/ [09:09] meh [09:15] * christel tickles Myrtti [09:29] Finnish spring. snow on the ground - and it's raining like before the great flood. [09:29] ;___; [09:41] hi, can somebody tell me where I can download the up to date version of Pangolin [09:41] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [09:42] thank you [09:42] I'd be more inclined to do the beta plus updates - no guarantee the daily will do anything :) [09:43] ok, thanks for the advice, will take a look at that now….. [09:43] :) [09:47] bugs.maemo.org finally gave up the ghost and marked every bug "WONTFIX" [09:49] lol [09:49] so ends an era [09:58] hank3three3chat: I would go for the daily, saves a few hundred MB of updates [09:59] I think he probably did [09:59] I just updated my lappy - been sitting in the kitchen unloved - it was lots of updates ... [10:00] urrgh. How do I reboot the USB stack? lost keyboard and mouse again [10:01] overnight something happened to the DVB hardware and it appears to have killed all USB functionality [10:02] * StevenR wishes he knew what the box tried to do just before it failed like this [10:14] AlanBell: that riverside place apparently is down the road just to the left (before if coming from my side of town, oh wait.. it's a one way street? so before anyhow i guess) the leisure center [10:14] centre* [10:14] AlanBell: mind a pm? [10:24] sure [10:24] christel: yeah, we went there, didn't find it [10:24] lots of industrial units [10:25] aha [10:30] we want posh modern offices to fit our up and coming dynamic hi tech startup image [10:30] or to give us a high tech startup image :) [10:41] morning all, anyone having issues updating 12.04 this morning? [10:41] not here [10:42] ah... wait there, seems I might have spoken too soon... seems to be working now [10:42] :) [10:43] pigeon on the wire perhaps :D [10:43] maybe, did find the broadband turned off this morning... mother-in-law had turn it off to "save the internet" :) [10:44] Apacheuk: http://www.snopes.com/holidays/aprilfools/cleaning.asp [10:45] Apacheuk: you mean you don't turn it off? You realise that you're wasting electrons by not doing so? [10:45] MartijnVdS, thats funny... I sending that to our helpdesk now [10:49] haven't updated in a while, theres alot :) [10:51] I have a wacom pen and touch late, and I was wondering, does it work on 11.10? If so where are the instructions? Or is it out of the box? [11:02] anybody know? [11:03] plug it in and let us know what happens [11:09] AFAIK they've worked out of the box for several years, but YMMV [11:16] nothing happens, the blue light on the slate comes on but the pen doesn't work, and I just found the wacom icon in the dash, and opened that and it doesn't recognise its connected [11:16] it works on my mac [11:20] is there anything I can do to get it working? [11:20] the model is CTH-470 [11:21] good morning everyone. [11:22] time to DIY! [11:23] DIY! [11:26] oh well, thanks any way, will just have to use it on my mac [11:47] hank3three3chat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88028/wacom-bamboo-capture-cth-470-pen-and-touch-not-working <-- seen this? [11:48] om nom, tea [11:57] so who knows how to take a radiator off the wall? [11:59] directhex: Make sure the system is empty first [11:59] directhex: then.. use some kind of wrench on the nuts connecting it to the system? [11:59] directhex: then just lift it off its holders? [11:59] yeah... sounds like a 2-man job :/ [12:00] i'm off to town to cach a cheque, buy a lunch, and buy some wrenches [12:01] and let the sugar soap on this door dry out [12:04] Morning all [12:05] hi popey [12:06] urgh i'm bunged up. might have the plague [12:13] Myrtti: you are awesome it works, thankyou [12:16] another question, can you add any apps for this like you can on mac, or is it just use the way it is? [12:17] hank3three3chat: depends on what you mean with "like you can on mac" [12:17] hank3three3chat: the preferred way to add apps is through the Software Center [12:17] it is on mac too [12:18] xcept they call it Apple Store or something [12:18] aloha [12:18] hmm [12:18] latest updates have strange behaviour :/ [12:18] moving mouse over icons in the dash [12:18] causes them to flicker [12:20] OK so it's not me [12:20] for me, the entire screen flickers [12:20] when things update [12:22] ok, just watched a video, and the guy used my paint, and you got all the t=stuff on that that you need, going to play with it now === tubadaz__ is now known as tubadaz [12:23] Myrtti: well on mac, its got all these apps you can download, but having just seen the video on my paint with wacom, don't need anything else, its all in that program [12:23] MartijnVdS: the tabs on chrome flicker when I add a new one or go to a different tab [12:23] most epically annoying [12:24] and not my terminal is fflickering when I type at times and hit enter [12:24] czajkowski: what about clicking the menus/indicators? [12:24] hank3three3chat: gimp might be closest to what you are looking for - but I'm not sure what you're trying to do [12:24] czajkowski: does that flicker as well? [12:25] MartijnVdS: yup [12:25] flicker tastic which means working this morning is rather painful [12:25] :/ [12:25] :| [12:25] * MartijnVdS checks the launchpads [12:26] czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/963093 [12:26] Launchpad bug 963093 in unity (Ubuntu Precise) "Unity 5.8: Flickering and corruption on Unity UI elements" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:27] Myrtti: not much at the moment, need to get used to the slate and how it works, I have gimp installed, but will have a look at my paint to start, to get used to it…… [12:27] just rte ally glad it works in Ubuntu [12:27] MartijnVdS: oh thanks [12:28] hmm ran unity --reset [12:28] not sure resetting it worked [12:28] shall reboot [12:28] now all customization is gone [12:28] brb [12:29] hmm when did the dasher get a wine background [12:30] czajkowski: wine background? [12:32] MartijnVdS: http://twitpic.com/90luiw/full [12:32] see along side the side [12:36] czajkowski: I think it adapts to the dominant colour in your background image [12:36] czajkowski: or it's supposed to, anyway [12:36] czajkowski: you can blame gord if it doesn't. [12:36] czajkowski: Cute pic though :) [12:36] where the hell is it getting wine from [12:37] MartijnVdS: cheers, me and the find angry birds for my desktop [12:37] or cows [12:37] it alternates [12:37] I realise that sounds strange but it's not :) [12:37] I have this one atm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/photostream [12:37] the laucnher colour automatically changes to "match" your wallpaper [12:38] which normally means turning bright pink or blue [12:38] czajkowski: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/3260817864/ ? [12:38] czajkowski: also.. do the birds need to be angry? :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5767921455/in/photostream + http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5828812586/in/photostream [12:40] MartijnVdS: more like http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad278/maymidnights/angry-birds1.jpg [12:40] MartijnVdS: or http://www.nothingsnormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Angry-Birds-003.jpg [12:40] i think that might be photoshopped [12:40] czajkowski: the second one is scary [12:43] door coat 1 done! [12:43] coat 2 can be done in... at 7am! [12:43] you have slow-drying paint? :) [12:44] MartijnVdS: wood paints take a long time to dry [12:44] touch dry 8 hours, recoat dry in 16 [12:44] it's as good an excuse as any :-) [12:44] walls are blocking on someone being around to help de-wall the radiator [12:58] does OS X include blu-ray authoring software? [12:59] say hello to my pretty new desktop http://twitpic.com/90m7f7/full [12:59] that's pretty....................not! [12:59] hello anyway [13:23] ali1234: no. [13:23] But why are you asking here? [13:23] OSX can't even play back BD's AFAIK. [13:23] Yup, you need third-party software. [13:28] You can't get a Mac with a built-in blu-ray drive. === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [13:34] dwatkins: unless you're the Woz. [13:35] ali1234: don't think so [13:35] ali1234: given no macs come with blueray drives [13:41] OmNomDePlume: isn't this the mac channel on freenode? [13:42] ☺ [13:44] ali1234: yes, this channel - #ubuntu-uk - is the Mac channel on freenode. === slvr_ is now known as slvr [13:45] o.O [13:45] what Unity needs is a Goodreads-lens [13:45] not that I use lenses that much [13:45] but that would be nice [13:45] What Unity needs is to be sent to hell. [13:46] trololololololo [13:46] oo, constructive criticism, just what I like. [13:46] need a unicode trollface [13:46] plz moar. [13:46] yes i was just thinking that the other day [13:46] popey: 🐭 [13:46] lmao [13:46] would a mouse do? [13:46] popey: Submit a proposal to the Unicode people [13:46] question mark in a diamond [13:46] works for me [13:46] popey: screen or tmux? [13:47] I actually hope Ubuntu keeps Unity. [13:47] ubuntu font, screen [13:47] OmNomDePlume: it will [13:47] popey: tmux and shows fine. [13:47] screen doesn't understand unicode 6 [13:47] there is no other option [13:47] with monospace font [13:47] Because then it'll continue to lose market share to Mint. [13:47] hahaha yeah, right [13:47] it corrupts even in utf8 mode [13:47] 🐵 monkey? [13:47] And eventually go the way of Linspire. [13:47] mint? you;ve got to be kidding me [13:48] at least ubuntu is somewhat consistent in the choice of desktop ☺ [13:48] Yeah, you know, that Ubuntu derivative which makes things usable. [13:48] what desktop will mint have in 3 years time [13:49] ? [13:49] popey: his ;) [13:49] mint won't have any desktop without ubuntu to provide the whole of the rest of the OS [13:49] mate? cinnamon? gnome shell? [13:49] lol you think the average user cares if it's KDE or Gnome? [13:49] thats not the question I asked, no. [13:49] I'm pointing out the utter inconsistency of the mint UI [13:50] and the fact that they chop and change around at the whim of one guy [13:50] Ux1F479 looks approximately like a troll [13:50] (yes, I am aware of the irony of me saying that) [13:50] popey: now that is truly ironic [13:50] oh you beat me to it [13:50] Yes. [13:50] ☺ [13:50] Yes.. [13:50] The Archbishop Desmond Shuttleworth. [13:51] "JAPANESE OGRE [13:51] " [13:51] "JAPANESE GOBLIN [13:51] I bet Shuttleworth likes anime. [13:51] that has a bit too long nose [13:51] Myrtti: we want trollface not an actual troll [13:52] thanks Myrtti - that got picked up in my alerts lol [13:52] problem? [13:52] My point was that there are hundreds of people working for canonical, and hundreds more in the wider community. Mint has what? 10 developers, 1 or 2 full time? [13:52] http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F300.pdf <-- for reference [13:52] forestpiskie: which did? [13:52] goblin :) [13:53] I fail to see how mint can make a significant dent in any market other than the "unity haters" one. [13:53] exactly my point too. mint is [13:53] If Mint is based on Ubuntu, does that not mean it's dependant on Ubuntu's success? [13:53] too small to really make a difference [13:53] cinnamon might get wider traction, or at least influence gnome devs to un-suck shell [13:53] to some degree dwatkins [13:54] mint can switch to debian, or something else, if ubuntu disappears [13:54] it did make me chuckle when the mint guys said they would change all references to Ubuntu when they find them (like affiliate codes) [13:54] yet they still use our bandwidth for the repositories [13:54] That sounds a bit cheeky. [13:54] but it will never be top tier [13:54] how can they use ubuntu repositories if they modify the packages? [13:55] theirs are on top of the ubuntu ones [13:55] ali1234: version bumping. [13:55] 1.0-1ubuntu1+mint1 > 1.0-1ubuntu1 [13:55] they also have this odd system of updates which recommends you don't install security updates until they have been vetted [13:55] which seems insecure by design [13:55] yeah [13:55] but that's always the way [13:56] when you start messing heavily with an OS but also try to remain compatible [13:56] sure [13:56] it never turns out well [13:56] popey: it means "give us long enough to make 1.0-1ubuntu1.1+mint1, otherwise ubuntu 1.0-1ubuntu1.1 will replace 1.0-1ubuntu1+mint1" [13:56] yup [13:56] so essentially Mint is Ubuntu with a different logo spray-painted on top and has delayed security updates? [13:56] they have some apps too [13:56] not really [13:56] the updates aren't delayed [13:56] iirc they have a different update manager and a backup tool [13:56] ah ok [13:56] dwatkins: and stuff like cinnamon [13:56] ali1234: not delayed, they just dont recommend them [13:56] exactly [13:57] * dwatkins looks cinnamon up [13:57] cinnamon challenge [13:57] http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ [13:57] tar [13:57] observe how it doesn't actually say wtf cinnamon even _is_ on the homepage [13:57] cinnamon is the plugin for shell right? [13:57] ^^ see [13:58] it's nowhere near as good as gnome fallback mode [13:58] 719 packages can be updated. [13:58] oops [13:58] mums machine [13:58] * popey hugs ssh [13:58] ali1234: fallback is going away [13:58] it's hobbled by the fact that it uses gnome-shell as a base [13:58] 'Cinnamon applets are easy to write' apparently, but yes, I still don't know what it is [13:58] which means no multimonitor support and no ability to configure panels [13:58] directhex: they're switching to software rendering aren't they? [13:58] ali1234: llvmpipe means shell can run without a proper gpu [13:59] :-| I'm sorry I mentioned Unity [13:59] Fedora 18 is shipping with it iirc? [13:59] hah [13:59] fallback isn't going away actually. gnome-panel has been ported to gtk3. you can't put that cat back in the bag now [13:59] sure, and MATE will completely keep gnome 2 alive too [13:59] yeah but there's no longer any reason to do so [14:00] there is, for a minority of nerds who hate change [14:00] because gnome-panel on gtk3 is identical to gnome2 in every way except the choice of themes (because old themes have to be ported) [14:00] lets bring back CDE on solaris [14:00] CDE is free software now [14:00] i thought there were omissions ali1234 ? [14:00] it was released a week or two ago [14:00] ahh, thats why it's on my brain [14:00] panel applets all work okay? [14:00] i'm sure there's a minority that hates change but the majority dislike unity and gnome-shell because they are just bad [14:01] heh [14:01] yes allthe old panel applets are there [14:01] potato/potato [14:01] popey: on another thing alltogether - someone in ubuntuforums wants to know how to report a daily iso test result - is there somewhere simple I can point him that you know of? [14:02] at least gnome-panel works with other window managers [14:02] why must all linux videos have metal on them ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkDPIsddK8 [14:02] at this point it would only take porting the old human theme and you could have identical desktop to 10.04, on 12.04 [14:03] oh, also the settings menu moved [14:03] you only get applications and places now [14:03] which kind of sucks [14:03] also odd wallpaper choice from thet youtuber [14:03] popey: the guy's background scares me more than his choice of music [14:03] * dwatkins didn't think IRC channel names were case-sensitive [14:04] popey: O_o [14:05] ...and then there's the choice of game: "urbanterror" [14:05] popey: cause it's clearly cool! don'tcha know! [14:05] popey: good thing that the view count doesn't go up if you don't watch more than 50% of the video [14:05] popey: I suspect the majority are made by Americans as well [14:05] is he using KDE? [14:05] that's even worse IMO [14:05] I'd hate to think that he got one unsuspecting view more from me just because I had to click the link. [14:06] dwatkins: they aren't. [14:06] Myrtti: Pendulum any idea on a talk title to give to http://www.flossie.org/ [14:06] going to be talking about the Ubuntu community, how I go involved and how it lead to a job in Canonical doing stuff I love [14:06] and the kinda enviroment that it is [14:08] sounds like fun [14:08] dwatkins: do you work on banshee? [14:08] czajkowski: no, I'm not a developer I'm afraid [14:09] * dwatkins works in support [14:11] I wonder if I can make an RSS feed of my +1s on google plus [14:11] hmm, 340 quid for a nokia n9 [14:12] http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/26048/dccft/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-64GB-musta [14:13] 16 or 64GB one? [14:14] yeah, 64GB seems to go for ~340 on ebay [14:17] http://www.securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/ubuntu-linux-used-in-mcdonalds-restaurants/ [14:18] "The Gnome 2 desktop was kept until the 11.04 release and then the infamous Unity desktop took over, and dealt the Ubuntu distribution a blow it might never recover from." [14:18] nice [14:18] that blog post is almost interesting [14:18]