[00:04] <dwatkins_> ciao
[00:34] <forestpiskie> hello ma
[00:34] <forestpiskie> hello matt_symes
[00:34] <forestpiskie> even
[00:34] <daftykins> :D
[00:34] <daftykins> hey pa
[00:35] <matt_symes> hello forestpiskie
[00:35] <forestpiskie> didn't expect to see me in here
[00:35] <matt_symes> you're up late :) Must be the weekend.
[00:36] <matt_symes> I've heard you forest folk get about
[00:36] <forestpiskie> 3 giggling 12 year olds woke me up :(
[00:36] <daftykins> D:
[00:36] <forestpiskie> I should learn to say no more often :p
[00:36] <daftykins> probably shouldn't tell us more
[00:36] <matt_symes> Better than any alarm clock
[00:37] <forestpiskie> ha ha ha
[00:37] <forestpiskie> I'll learn 'em though - lights on at 6am :D
[00:37] <matt_symes> revenge ;) lol
[00:38] <forestpiskie> daftykins: I'm a soft single dad who takes it out on forum trolls lol
[00:38] <daftykins> :D
[00:38] <forestpiskie> matt_symes: indeed  - it went a bit quiet when I turned the upstairs leccy off
[00:38] <daftykins> XD
[00:39] <matt_symes> nice move
[00:39] <forestpiskie> oh lord - english tv at silly o'clock includes the twoering inferno then
[00:39] <matt_symes> Must remember that one
[00:39]  * forestpiskie puts music on 
[00:39] <forestpiskie> matt_symes: it worked surprisingly quickly lol
[00:39] <daftykins> with the kids today i'd have thought changing the wireless key would scupper them
[00:40] <matt_symes> :D
[00:40] <forestpiskie> ha ha ha
[00:40] <forestpiskie> she uses linux ... she's had to work things out :)
[00:40] <daftykins> excellent training
[00:40] <forestpiskie> yep
[00:40] <forestpiskie> strange noises from the school though lol
[00:41] <andylockran> howdy
[00:41] <forestpiskie> hello andylockran
[00:41] <matt_symes> o andylockran
[00:41] <matt_symes> o/
[00:41] <matt_symes> forestpiskie: do they use Linux in school now ?
[00:42] <forestpiskie> not here - but she's used to doing things not the ms way
[00:42] <forestpiskie> so they asked lol
[00:42] <forestpiskie> I wish they did
[00:43] <matt_symes> Must have confused them no end. Take in a Live USB stick to show them ?
[00:44] <forestpiskie> I think the IT 'teacher' has some idea - but I've been there for a few days before when I was trying to get into teaching - not very open at all :(
[00:44] <daftykins> "what is zeez magical thing, it's a picture that has no start button!"
[00:44] <forestpiskie> lol
[00:45] <matt_symes> ha ha ha
[00:46] <daftykins> i'm quite jealous of younger generations now, with the information they have access to
[00:46] <matt_symes> who need a ?start? button anyway. I want to !do! not ?start?
[00:46] <daftykins> when i was ridiculously keen to learn you were at the mercy of others onlines' patience
[00:46] <daftykins> and also OSs were harder to mess with pre-virtualisation and also lack of shared net connections to be able to experiment easier
[00:47] <forestpiskie> daftykins: when I was at school we still learnt Lsd and proper measurements
[00:47] <daftykins> interesting school giving out LSD :D
[00:47] <forestpiskie>  I add that when I left we weren't ...
[00:47] <matt_symes> daftykins: so am i especially in schools. It was a couple of BBC model Bs when i was in school
[00:48] <daftykins> =]
[00:48] <forestpiskie> daftykins: special school ... :)
[00:48] <matt_symes> forestpiskie 60s child :)
[00:48] <forestpiskie> yea - just :)
[00:49] <forestpiskie> between a rock and a hard place - learnt proper measurements - but still had slide rules and log tables when exams came
[00:50] <forestpiskie> so I did my 60s at stonehenge in the late70s/early 80s
[00:51] <matt_symes> nice place for it.
[00:51] <forestpiskie> it was :)
[00:51] <forestpiskie> or at least to start with :p
[00:52] <daftykins> right i'm giving up on Friday and committing to Saturday, g'night all \o
[00:53] <forestpiskie> night
[00:53] <matt_symes> sounds like a plan. Good night \o/
[00:53] <forestpiskie> night matt_symes
[00:53] <andylockran> night all
[00:53] <matt_symes> good night peeps
[00:54] <forestpiskie> o/
[02:10] <ali1234> my first shared internet connection had a 386 as router and ran over 2BaseT/coax
[02:10] <ali1234> all parts bought at computer fair for under £50
[02:12] <directhex> 10base2.
[02:12] <ali1234> yeah that's the one
[02:12] <ali1234> thin ethernet
[02:13] <directhex> i loved that stuff
[02:13] <ali1234> being able to plug in an extra machine without dropping a cable was handy
[02:14] <ali1234> not so handy for the network admin trying to find the rogue machines though
[02:16] <ali1234> my first 4 port 10base-t hub cost more than my entire network up to that point
[08:29] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone tell me if theres a 64 bit ubuntu. ive got ubuntu on my machine but its only got the 32 bit on here
[08:30] <forestpiskie> there is jonsaint
[08:31] <forestpiskie> you'd have to reinstall to get it though
[08:31] <jonsaint> where can i grait?
[08:31] <jonsaint> yeah i know, where can i get it?
[08:31] <forestpiskie> current version?
[08:31] <jonsaint> yes.
[08:31] <forestpiskie> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download
[08:32] <jonsaint> when the next version is released next month, will that also be upgraded as well?
[08:32] <forestpiskie> just change the 32 bit to 64 bit
[08:32] <forestpiskie> it will ask if you want to upgrade to it yes
[08:32] <jonsaint> superb. many thanks
[08:32] <forestpiskie> welcome
[08:51] <christel> good morning lovelies
[08:54] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:57] <jussi> Morning christel and AlanBell
[08:57] <jussi> ALthough I wouldnt class myself in the "lovelies" group :P
[09:07] <christel> aww of course you are!
[09:07] <christel> another sunny day today :D
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:09] <Myrtti> meh
[09:15]  * christel tickles Myrtti 
[09:29] <Myrtti> Finnish spring. snow on the ground - and it's raining like before the great flood.
[09:29] <Myrtti> ;___;
[09:41] <hank3three3chat> hi, can somebody tell me where I can download the up to date version of Pangolin
[09:41] <forestpiskie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:42] <hank3three3chat> thank you
[09:42] <forestpiskie> I'd be more inclined to do the beta plus updates - no guarantee the daily will do anything :)
[09:43] <hank3three3chat> ok, thanks for the advice, will take a look at that now…..
[09:43] <forestpiskie> :)
[09:47] <ali1234> bugs.maemo.org finally gave up the ghost and marked every bug "WONTFIX"
[09:49] <Myrtti> lol
[09:49] <Myrtti> so ends an era
[09:58] <AlanBell> hank3three3chat: I would go for the daily, saves a few hundred MB of updates
[09:59] <forestpiskie> I think he probably did
[09:59] <forestpiskie> I just updated my lappy - been sitting in the kitchen unloved - it was lots of updates ...
[10:00] <StevenR> urrgh. How do I reboot the USB stack? lost keyboard and mouse again
[10:01] <StevenR> overnight something happened to the DVB hardware and it appears to have killed all USB functionality
[10:02]  * StevenR wishes he knew what the box tried to do just before it failed like this
[10:14] <christel> AlanBell: that riverside place apparently is down the road just to the left (before if coming from my side of town, oh wait.. it's a one way street? so before anyhow i guess) the leisure center
[10:14] <christel> centre*
[10:14] <Myrtti> AlanBell: mind a pm?
[10:24] <AlanBell> sure
[10:24] <AlanBell> christel: yeah, we went there, didn't find it
[10:24] <AlanBell> lots of industrial units
[10:25] <christel> aha
[10:30] <AlanBell> we want posh modern offices to fit our up and coming dynamic hi tech startup image
[10:30] <AlanBell> or to give us a high tech startup image :)
[10:41] <Apacheuk> morning all, anyone having issues updating 12.04 this morning?
[10:41] <forestpiskie> not here
[10:42] <Apacheuk> ah... wait there, seems I might have spoken too soon... seems to be working now
[10:42] <forestpiskie> :)
[10:43] <forestpiskie> pigeon on the wire perhaps :D
[10:43] <Apacheuk> maybe, did find the broadband turned off this morning... mother-in-law had turn it off to "save the internet" :)
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> Apacheuk: http://www.snopes.com/holidays/aprilfools/cleaning.asp
[10:45] <StevenR> Apacheuk: you mean you don't turn it off? You realise that you're wasting electrons by not doing so?
[10:45] <Apacheuk> MartijnVdS, thats funny... I sending that to our helpdesk now
[10:49] <Apacheuk> haven't updated in a while, theres alot :)
[10:51] <hank3three3chat> I have a wacom pen and touch late, and I was wondering, does it work on 11.10? If so where are the instructions? Or is it out of the box?
[11:02] <hank3three3chat> anybody know?
[11:03] <AlanBell> plug it in and let us know what happens
[11:09] <Myrtti> AFAIK they've worked out of the box for several years, but YMMV
[11:16] <hank3three3chat> nothing happens, the blue light on the slate comes on but the pen doesn't work, and I just found the wacom icon in the dash, and opened that and it doesn't recognise its connected
[11:16] <hank3three3chat> it works on my mac
[11:20] <hank3three3chat> is there anything I can do to get it working?
[11:20] <hank3three3chat> the model is CTH-470
[11:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:22] <directhex> time to DIY!
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> DIY!
[11:26] <hank3three3chat> oh well, thanks any way, will just have to use it on my mac
[11:47] <Myrtti> hank3three3chat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88028/wacom-bamboo-capture-cth-470-pen-and-touch-not-working <-- seen this?
[11:48] <Myrtti> om nom, tea
[11:57] <directhex> so who knows how to take a radiator off the wall?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Make sure the system is empty first
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> directhex: then.. use some kind of wrench on the nuts connecting it to the system?
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> directhex: then just lift it off its holders?
[11:59] <directhex> yeah... sounds like a 2-man job :/
[12:00] <directhex> i'm off to town to cach a cheque, buy a lunch, and buy some wrenches
[12:01] <directhex> and let the sugar soap on this door dry out
[12:04] <popey> Morning all
[12:05] <forestpiskie> hi popey
[12:06] <directhex> urgh i'm bunged up. might have the plague
[12:13] <hank3three3chat> Myrtti: you are awesome it works, thankyou
[12:16] <hank3three3chat> another question, can you add any apps for this like you can on mac, or is it just use the way it is?
[12:17] <Myrtti> hank3three3chat: depends on what you mean with "like you can on mac"
[12:17] <Myrtti> hank3three3chat: the preferred way to add apps is through the Software Center
[12:17] <ali1234> it is on mac too
[12:18] <ali1234> xcept they call it Apple Store or something
[12:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:18] <czajkowski> hmm
[12:18] <czajkowski> latest updates have strange behaviour :/
[12:18] <czajkowski> moving mouse over icons in the dash
[12:18] <czajkowski> causes them to flicker
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> OK so it's not me
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> for me, the entire screen flickers
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> when things update
[12:22] <hank3three3chat> ok, just watched a video, and the guy used my paint, and you got all the t=stuff on that that you need, going to play with it now
[12:23] <hank3three3chat> Myrtti: well on mac, its got all these apps you can download, but having just seen the video on my paint with wacom, don't need anything else, its all in that program
[12:23] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: the tabs on chrome flicker when I add a new one or go to a different tab
[12:23] <czajkowski> most epically annoying
[12:24] <czajkowski> and not my terminal is fflickering when I type at times and hit enter
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: what about clicking the menus/indicators?
[12:24] <Myrtti> hank3three3chat: gimp might be closest to what you are looking for - but I'm not sure what you're trying to do
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: does that flicker as well?
[12:25] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: yup
[12:25] <czajkowski> flicker tastic which means working this morning is rather painful
[12:25] <czajkowski> :/
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> :|
[12:25]  * MartijnVdS checks the launchpads
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/963093
[12:27] <hank3three3chat> Myrtti: not much at the moment, need to get used to the slate and how it works, I have gimp installed, but will have a look at my paint to start, to get used to it……
[12:27] <hank3three3chat> just rte ally glad it works in Ubuntu
[12:27] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: oh thanks
[12:28] <czajkowski> hmm ran unity --reset
[12:28] <czajkowski> not sure resetting it worked
[12:28] <czajkowski> shall reboot
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> now all customization is gone
[12:28] <czajkowski> brb
[12:29] <czajkowski> hmm when did the dasher get a wine background
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: wine background?
[12:32] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: http://twitpic.com/90luiw/full
[12:32] <czajkowski> see along side the side
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I think it adapts to the dominant colour in your background image
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: or it's supposed to, anyway
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you can blame gord if it doesn't.
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Cute pic though :)
[12:36] <czajkowski> where the hell is it getting wine from
[12:37] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: cheers, me and the find angry birds for my desktop
[12:37] <czajkowski> or cows
[12:37] <czajkowski> it alternates
[12:37] <czajkowski> I realise that sounds strange but it's not :)
[12:37] <MartijnVdS> I have this one atm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6816260055/in/photostream
[12:37] <ali1234> the laucnher colour automatically changes to "match" your wallpaper
[12:38] <ali1234> which normally means turning bright pink or blue
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/3260817864/ ?
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: also.. do the birds need to be angry? :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5767921455/in/photostream + http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/5828812586/in/photostream
[12:40] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: more like http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad278/maymidnights/angry-birds1.jpg
[12:40] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: or http://www.nothingsnormal.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Angry-Birds-003.jpg
[12:40] <ali1234> i think that might be photoshopped
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the second one is scary
[12:43] <directhex> door coat 1 done!
[12:43] <directhex> coat 2 can be done in... at 7am!
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> you have slow-drying paint? :)
[12:44] <directhex> MartijnVdS: wood paints take a long time to dry
[12:44] <directhex> touch dry 8 hours, recoat dry in 16
[12:44] <quackers> it's as good an excuse as any :-)
[12:44] <directhex> walls are blocking on someone being around to help de-wall the radiator
[12:58] <ali1234> does OS X include blu-ray authoring software?
[12:59] <czajkowski> say hello to my pretty new desktop http://twitpic.com/90m7f7/full
[12:59] <quackers> that's pretty....................not!
[12:59] <quackers> hello anyway
[13:23] <OmNomDePlume> ali1234: no.
[13:23] <OmNomDePlume> But why are you asking here?
[13:23] <OmNomDePlume> OSX can't even play back BD's AFAIK.
[13:23] <OmNomDePlume> Yup, you need third-party software.
[13:28] <dwatkins_> You can't get a Mac with a built-in blu-ray drive.
[13:34] <OmNomDePlume> dwatkins: unless you're the Woz.
[13:35] <popey> ali1234: don't think so
[13:35] <popey> ali1234: given no macs come with blueray drives
[13:41] <ali1234> OmNomDePlume: isn't this the mac channel on freenode?
[13:42] <popey> ☺
[13:44] <OmNomDePlume> ali1234: yes, this channel - #ubuntu-uk - is the Mac channel on freenode.
[13:45] <dwatkins> o.O
[13:45] <Myrtti> what Unity needs is a Goodreads-lens
[13:45] <Myrtti> not that I use lenses that much
[13:45] <Myrtti> but that would be nice
[13:45] <OmNomDePlume> What Unity needs is to be sent to hell.
[13:46] <popey> trololololololo
[13:46] <Myrtti> oo, constructive criticism, just what I like.
[13:46] <popey> need a unicode trollface
[13:46] <Myrtti> plz moar.
[13:46] <ali1234> yes i was just thinking that the other day
[13:46] <Myrtti> popey: 🐭
[13:46] <OmNomDePlume> lmao
[13:46] <Myrtti> would a mouse do?
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: Submit a proposal to the Unicode people
[13:46] <popey> question mark in a diamond
[13:46] <ali1234> works for me
[13:46] <Myrtti> popey: screen or tmux?
[13:47] <OmNomDePlume> I actually hope Ubuntu keeps Unity.
[13:47] <popey> ubuntu font, screen
[13:47] <popey> OmNomDePlume: it will
[13:47] <Myrtti> popey: tmux and shows fine.
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> screen doesn't understand unicode 6
[13:47] <popey> there is no other option
[13:47] <Myrtti> with monospace font
[13:47] <OmNomDePlume> Because then it'll continue to lose market share to Mint.
[13:47] <popey> hahaha yeah, right
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> it corrupts even in utf8 mode
[13:47] <Myrtti> 🐵  monkey?
[13:47] <OmNomDePlume> And eventually go the way of Linspire.
[13:47] <ali1234> mint? you;ve got to be kidding me
[13:48] <popey> at least ubuntu is somewhat consistent in the choice of desktop ☺
[13:48] <OmNomDePlume> Yeah, you know, that Ubuntu derivative which makes things usable.
[13:48] <popey> what desktop will mint have in 3 years time
[13:49] <popey> ?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: his ;)
[13:49] <ali1234> mint won't have any desktop without ubuntu to provide the whole of the rest of the OS
[13:49] <popey> mate? cinnamon? gnome shell?
[13:49] <OmNomDePlume> lol you think the average user cares if it's KDE or Gnome?
[13:49] <popey> thats not the question I asked, no.
[13:49] <popey> I'm pointing out the utter inconsistency of the mint UI
[13:50] <popey> and the fact that they chop and change around at the whim of one guy
[13:50] <Myrtti> Ux1F479 looks approximately like a troll
[13:50] <popey> (yes, I am aware of the irony of me saying that)
[13:50] <ali1234> popey: now that is truly ironic
[13:50] <ali1234> oh you beat me to it
[13:50] <OmNomDePlume> Yes.
[13:50] <popey> ☺
[13:50] <OmNomDePlume> Yes..
[13:50] <OmNomDePlume> The Archbishop Desmond Shuttleworth.
[13:51] <Myrtti> "JAPANESE OGRE
[13:51] <Myrtti> "
[13:51] <Myrtti> "JAPANESE GOBLIN
[13:51] <OmNomDePlume> I bet Shuttleworth likes anime.
[13:51] <Myrtti> that has a bit too long nose
[13:51] <ali1234> Myrtti: we want trollface not an actual troll
[13:52] <forestpiskie> thanks Myrtti - that got picked up in my alerts lol
[13:52] <ali1234> problem?
[13:52] <popey> My point was that there are hundreds of people working for canonical, and hundreds more in the wider community. Mint has what? 10 developers, 1 or 2 full time?
[13:52] <Myrtti> http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F300.pdf <-- for reference
[13:52] <Myrtti> forestpiskie: which did?
[13:52] <forestpiskie> goblin :)
[13:53] <popey> I fail to see how mint can make a significant dent in any market other than the "unity haters" one.
[13:53] <ali1234> exactly my point too. mint is
[13:53] <dwatkins> If Mint is based on Ubuntu, does that not mean it's dependant on Ubuntu's success?
[13:53] <ali1234> too small to really make a difference
[13:53] <directhex> cinnamon might get wider traction, or at least influence gnome devs to un-suck shell
[13:53] <popey> to some degree dwatkins
[13:54] <ali1234> mint can switch to debian, or something else, if ubuntu disappears
[13:54] <popey> it did make me chuckle when the mint guys said they would change all references to Ubuntu when they find them (like affiliate codes)
[13:54] <popey> yet they still use our bandwidth for the repositories
[13:54] <dwatkins> That sounds a bit cheeky.
[13:54] <ali1234> but it will never be top tier
[13:54] <ali1234> how can they use ubuntu repositories if they modify the packages?
[13:55] <popey> theirs are on top of the ubuntu ones
[13:55] <directhex> ali1234: version bumping.
[13:55] <directhex> 1.0-1ubuntu1+mint1 > 1.0-1ubuntu1
[13:55] <popey> they also have this odd system of updates which recommends you don't install security updates until they have been vetted
[13:55] <popey> which seems insecure by design
[13:55] <ali1234> yeah
[13:55] <ali1234> but that's always the way
[13:56] <ali1234> when you start messing heavily with an OS but also try to remain compatible
[13:56] <popey> sure
[13:56] <ali1234> it never turns out well
[13:56] <directhex> popey: it means "give us long enough to make 1.0-1ubuntu1.1+mint1, otherwise ubuntu 1.0-1ubuntu1.1 will replace 1.0-1ubuntu1+mint1"
[13:56] <popey> yup
[13:56] <dwatkins> so essentially Mint is Ubuntu with a different logo spray-painted on top and has delayed security updates?
[13:56] <popey> they have some apps too
[13:56] <ali1234> not really
[13:56] <ali1234> the updates aren't delayed
[13:56] <popey> iirc they have a different update manager and a backup tool
[13:56] <dwatkins> ah ok
[13:56] <directhex> dwatkins: and stuff like cinnamon
[13:56] <popey> ali1234: not delayed, they just dont recommend them
[13:56] <ali1234> exactly
[13:57]  * dwatkins looks cinnamon up
[13:57] <sagaci> cinnamon challenge
[13:57] <popey> http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
[13:57] <dwatkins> tar
[13:57] <popey> observe how it doesn't actually say wtf cinnamon even _is_ on the homepage
[13:57] <ali1234> cinnamon is the plugin for shell right?
[13:57] <popey> ^^ see
[13:58] <ali1234> it's nowhere near as good as gnome fallback mode
[13:58] <popey> 719 packages can be updated.
[13:58] <popey> oops
[13:58] <popey> mums machine
[13:58]  * popey hugs ssh
[13:58] <directhex> ali1234: fallback is going away
[13:58] <ali1234> it's hobbled by the fact that it uses gnome-shell as a base
[13:58] <dwatkins> 'Cinnamon applets are easy to write' apparently, but yes, I still don't know what it is
[13:58] <ali1234> which means no multimonitor support and no ability to configure panels
[13:58] <popey> directhex: they're switching to software rendering aren't they?
[13:58] <directhex> ali1234: llvmpipe means shell can run without a proper gpu
[13:59] <Myrtti> :-| I'm sorry I mentioned Unity
[13:59] <popey> Fedora 18 is shipping with it iirc?
[13:59] <popey> hah
[13:59] <ali1234> fallback isn't going away actually. gnome-panel has been ported to gtk3. you can't put that cat back in the bag now
[13:59] <directhex> sure, and MATE will completely keep gnome 2 alive too
[13:59] <ali1234> yeah but there's no longer any reason to do so
[14:00] <popey> there is, for a minority of nerds who hate change
[14:00] <ali1234> because gnome-panel on gtk3 is identical to gnome2 in every way except the choice of themes (because old themes have to be ported)
[14:00] <popey> lets bring back CDE on solaris
[14:00] <directhex> CDE is free software now
[14:00] <popey> i thought there were omissions ali1234 ?
[14:00] <directhex> it was released a week or two ago
[14:00] <popey> ahh, thats why it's on my brain
[14:00] <popey> panel applets all work okay?
[14:00] <ali1234> i'm sure there's a minority that hates change but the majority dislike unity and gnome-shell because they are just bad
[14:01] <popey> heh
[14:01] <ali1234> yes allthe old panel applets are there
[14:01] <popey> potato/potato
[14:01] <forestpiskie> popey: on another thing alltogether - someone in ubuntuforums wants to know how to report a daily iso test result - is there somewhere simple I can point him that you know of?
[14:02] <Laney> at least gnome-panel works with other window managers
[14:02] <popey> why must all linux videos have metal on them ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrkDPIsddK8
[14:02] <ali1234> at this point it would only take porting the old human theme and you could have identical desktop to 10.04, on 12.04
[14:03] <ali1234> oh, also the settings menu moved
[14:03] <ali1234> you only get applications and places now
[14:03] <ali1234> which kind of sucks
[14:03] <popey> also odd wallpaper choice from thet youtuber
[14:03] <dwatkins> popey: the guy's background scares me more than his choice of music
[14:03]  * dwatkins didn't think IRC channel names were case-sensitive
[14:04] <ali1234> popey: O_o
[14:05] <dwatkins> ...and then there's the choice of game: "urbanterror"
[14:05] <czajkowski> popey: cause it's clearly cool! don'tcha know!
[14:05] <Myrtti> popey: good thing that the view count doesn't go up if you don't watch more than 50% of the video
[14:05] <czajkowski> popey: I suspect the majority are made by Americans as well
[14:05] <ali1234> is he using KDE?
[14:05] <ali1234> that's even worse IMO
[14:05] <Myrtti> I'd hate to think that he got one unsuspecting view more from me just because I had to click the link.
[14:06] <OmNomDePlume> dwatkins: they aren't.
[14:06] <czajkowski> Myrtti: Pendulum any idea on a talk title to give to http://www.flossie.org/
[14:06] <czajkowski> going to be talking about the Ubuntu community, how I go involved and how it lead to a job in Canonical doing stuff I love
[14:06] <czajkowski> and the kinda enviroment that it is
[14:08] <dwatkins> sounds like fun
[14:08] <czajkowski> dwatkins: do you work on banshee?
[14:08] <dwatkins> czajkowski: no, I'm not a developer I'm afraid
[14:09]  * dwatkins works in support
[14:11] <dwatkins> I wonder if I can make an RSS feed of my +1s on google plus
[14:11] <popey> hmm, 340 quid for a nokia n9
[14:12] <Myrtti> http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/26048/dccft/Nokia-N9-alypuhelin-64GB-musta
[14:13] <Myrtti> 16 or 64GB one?
[14:14] <popey> yeah, 64GB seems to go for ~340 on ebay
[14:17] <popey> http://www.securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/ubuntu-linux-used-in-mcdonalds-restaurants/
[14:18] <ali1234> "The Gnome 2 desktop was kept until the 11.04 release and then the  infamous Unity desktop took over, and dealt the Ubuntu distribution a  blow it might never recover from."
[14:18] <ali1234> nice
[14:18] <Myrtti> that blog post is almost interesting
[14:18] <ali1234> i should put more trollposts on my website
[14:18] <ali1234> i might get more adsense clicks that way
[14:19] <popey> ☺
[14:19] <popey> works for ZDNet
[14:20] <ali1234> also very next sentence "KDE is a nice alternative to Unity" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[14:20] <popey> is there a "... if you like stabbing yourself with a thousand tiny knives.."
[14:20] <ali1234> i tried that plasma active build on the ideapad. it is totally awful
[14:20] <ali1234> the touchpad works
[14:21] <popey> ideapad? is that the lenovo thing?
[14:21] <ali1234> but you can't click on half of the UI elements with it for no obvious reason
[14:21] <ali1234> yeah it's a hybrid tablet
[14:21] <ali1234> transformer
[14:21] <ali1234> i can't remember what they are called
[14:21] <popey> ahh
[14:21] <popey> yeah
[14:21] <ali1234> anyway point being it has a touchscreen which is supported, just that plasma active is horribly broken
[14:22] <ali1234> it's also really hilariously confusing and difficult to use
[14:22] <ali1234> it has that kind of "drag down" menu like on android
[14:22] <ali1234> but then to run applications you have to drag it down TWICE
[14:22] <ali1234> and there is no visual hint for this at all
[14:22] <ali1234> and no other way to run apps ... at all
[14:22] <ali1234> it's also extremely slow
[14:22] <ali1234> like when you figure out to drag down twice, there is a search box
[14:23] <ali1234> you type the first letter of your search, wait 15 seconds for it to update, type second letter, wait 5 seconds, type third letter and now it updates instantly... because now there's only 3 hits
[14:23] <ali1234> i really hate search boxes that work that way
[14:23] <ali1234> don't search when i've only typed "s"
[14:24] <ali1234> it makes no sense and totally destroys any chance of interactivity
[14:25] <ali1234> also it took well ovet ten minutes to boot
[14:25] <ali1234> there were two separate points where i thought it had crashed because it took so long
[14:30] <dwatkins> hahaha - "place your mouse on top of an analogue alarm clock to stop the screensaver ever kicking in"
[14:30] <ali1234> what?
[14:31] <ali1234> but i dn't have an analogue alarm clock
[14:31] <ali1234> will a digital one work?
[14:31] <dwatkins> http://lifehacker.com/5896093/use-an-analog-alarm-clock-to-disable-forced-screensavers
[14:32] <ali1234> wait that's actually GENIUS
[14:32] <ali1234> does the mouse pointer go around in a circle?
[14:32] <dwatkins> hehe, doubt it
[14:32] <dwatkins> it probably just moves a bit to the side once a minute
[14:33] <ali1234> someone should send that link to totem developers
[14:33] <ali1234> they fixed that alt thing yet?
[14:36] <dwatkins> bug 216939 ?
[14:37] <dwatkins> If they'd used 'shift' (like I do to come out of screensavers) I wonder if it might have taken longer to be reported.
[14:38] <penguin42> wow, that's a bizarre bug
[14:39] <dwatkins> "Looks like the culprit is gnome-screensaver-command"
[14:39] <ali1234> er, well that bug is back
[14:39] <ali1234> because it affects hud now
[14:39] <ali1234> because tapping alt opens it
[14:39] <dwatkins> initiating a keypress is a silly way to stop the screensaver, can't it just send a command to disable the screensaver for 10 minutes every 10 minutes?
[14:40] <dwatkins> (or every 9m59s)
[14:40] <ali1234> bug 921276
[14:40] <ali1234> yes, it's very silly, yes they could do it properly
[14:40] <penguin42> I guess they expect it to work with any screensaver, not just gnome
[14:40] <ali1234> that's why we have XDG
[14:41] <dwatkins> there's no standard way to send some kind of system call to temporarily disable whatever screensaver is enabled?
[14:41] <ali1234> yes
[14:42] <ali1234> see man xdg-screensaver
[14:43] <dwatkins> thanks ali1234
[14:44] <penguin42> ali1234: Nice, I wonder - does xdg cleanup if the window disappears - e.g. if the app crashes/is closed without reenabling screensaver
[14:44] <ali1234> no idea
[14:45] <ali1234> i think it should according to phrasing of the manual page
[14:45] <dwatkins> That was why I suggested sending a signal periodically to temporarily disable the screensaver.
[14:45] <directhex> moo.
[14:55] <dwatkins> 'The window must remain in existance for the duration of the suspension.
[14:55] <dwatkins> '
[15:04] <popey> Pimm's O'Clock!
[15:06] <SuperEngineer> Beer o'clock - popey earns more than me I guess ;)
[15:08] <SuperEngineer> [I say "earns"but, you know, many words have several meanings :D
[15:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tottenham Court Road  24th March 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=135
[15:09] <popey> this is a bottle of pimm's that's been on the shelf for months ☺
[15:09] <popey> I only bought some lemonade
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[15:12] <Myrtti> no proper ginger ale or fresh mint so no pimm's for me :-<
[15:12] <popey> yummy
[15:14] <directhex> i'm drinking archers & lemonade lately
[15:16] <SuperEngineer> Facebook get's my "stupid idiots of the month award" http://tinyurl.com/6mjwg92 [http://preview.tinyurl.com/6mjwg92]
[15:17] <dwatkins> book book book book book book
[15:18] <directhex> dwatkins is now a chicken?
[15:18] <SuperEngineer> now that *would * be a good compaign - everyone shouting "book" at facebook!
[15:19] <dwatkins> directhex: I was saying 'book' a lot because of that article about Facebook
[15:19] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: indeed, it's silly what they're trying to do
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> book book book book book - & no - I'm not a chicken either
[15:19] <dwatkins> I guess they want to stop people making sites like 'farcebook' or something that sounds vaguely similar.
[15:20] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: they just turned themselves into farcebook by attempting it
[15:20] <brobostigon> or like microshaft, and similer.
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> hope they don'y copywright face - I've had mine longer they they've had their name!
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> I'll sue ;)
[15:22] <brobostigon> they cant really copyright a bodypart.
[15:23] <SuperEngineer> but they copywrighted the human genome -why not - they're daft enough
[15:23]  * SuperEngineer starts destroying the paper based publications he paper-based-publications shops in case fb get wind of them!
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/x0Nrk.jpg
[15:23] <SuperEngineer> *bought from
[15:26] <robinmdh> I installed the 12.04 beta 1 image to see if the ext4 > 16TB issue was solved(as mentioned here(need the 3.2.X kernel etc) http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42) but i can't get it working, anyone know why/how ?
[15:26]  * SuperEngineer thinks - copywright the word carpet - hmmm - 1 good get rich quick plan
[15:28]  * SuperEngineer laughs at thought of U-UK IRC listeners rushing to copywright office with "carpet" written on a piece of &arp*t
[15:30] <SuperEngineer> [can't mention the word - someone's copyrighting it as I speak....]
[15:30] <penguin42> it's UPS that owns a particular brown
[15:32] <SuperEngineer> ...yeah, they can have that one - let's paint all our vehicles so they resemble the colour of faeces.. a good reminder to our customers
[15:36] <ali1234> is that really the official flag of mars?
[15:36] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Mars apparently it actually is
[15:37] <ali1234> or at least as official as you're going to get anyway
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: please stop using the word Mars - I've copywrighted it ;)
[15:40] <ali1234> no.
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> damn
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: you have not.
[15:40] <ali1234> what about mars bars?
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> double damn
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> foiled again
[15:41] <penguin42> heck USB thumb drives are coming down; play.com has got 32GB for about £15
[15:41] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar is that really worthy of it;s own article? really?
[15:42] <ali1234> i tried one once, it was disgusting
[15:42] <ali1234> and i love fried food
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> +1 to tried & disgusting - got as far as 2 bites before retching
[15:42] <ali1234> yeah really
[15:43] <ali1234> i don't think anyone has ever purchased more than one
[15:43] <ali1234> it might be alright if the batter didn't taste like fish i guess
[15:44] <popey> I had a lovely haggis pudding supper in aberdeen once
[15:44] <popey> _once_
[15:44] <popey> was heart-attack inducing levels of fat
[15:44] <popey> tasty ☺
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> is that fried haggis in batter with chips by any chance?
[15:46] <ali1234> http://23x.net/5/what-is-a-munchy-box.html
[15:47] <ali1234> not sure if for real
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> just looked -  oh no! surely not!
[15:48] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchy_box it must be real it's on wikipedia
[15:49] <popey> that looks awesome
[15:49] <popey> wikipedia having issues here
[15:49] <SuperEngineer> ...but, then again, yum yum
[15:49] <popey> or chrome
[15:51] <ali1234> i just went to the shop to buy a BD-RE disc and it's really hot out
[15:51] <ali1234> it's like summer
[15:51] <ali1234> last week it snowed
[15:51] <ali1234> makes no sense
[15:51] <popey> yeah
[15:51] <popey> pimm's here, and bbq about to be lit
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> call the fire brigade before lighting... much safer
[15:53] <popey> ☺
[15:53] <popey> i once had the police turn up because i was burning some crap in the garden
[15:53] <popey> lotsa smoke
[15:55] <Nafallo> that's just stupid
[15:55] <Nafallo> they should have sent the fire brigade
[15:55] <Nafallo> also, morning
[16:05] <ali1234> http://www.imgburn.com/ claims to work in wine and can create udf 2.5 filesystems
[16:05] <ali1234> so i just need something that can make menus?
[16:06] <popey> hmm, cant get to wikipedia at all
[16:09] <penguin42> bizarre; Amazon has recommend Twelve Monkeys to me - which is great; but it says it did it because I said I own Pulp Fiction, 2010 and I rated 2001
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> popey: +1 www.wikipedia.org/ & en.wikipedia.org/ both DOA
[16:10] <Nafallo> meh
[16:10] <Nafallo> that would be why I can't reach them
[16:10] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Fine here
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: so you're the reason why the rest of us can't get there?
[16:11] <Nafallo> hmm. their loadbalancer pings...
[16:11] <Nafallo> mtr
[16:11]  * penguin42 whistles innocently
[16:12] <Nafallo> connected to, but doesn't seem to load a lot.
[16:12] <Nafallo> I was just going to read about what libre.fm is...
[16:13] <SuperEngineer> [probably overloaded by people deleting their definitions of "Facebook" and replacing them with the word "idiots"
[16:13] <ali1234> penguin42: i don't understand why you think that amazon recommendation is odd?
[16:14] <popey> Nafallo: last.fm for freetards ☺
[16:14] <Nafallo> popey: is that all? they do all the same things or?
[16:14] <popey> thats the goal
[16:14] <popey> been around for years, started by Matt Lee
[16:14] <Nafallo> I take that as a no
[16:14] <popey> ☺
[16:15] <Nafallo> what parts are i place?
[16:15]  * popey shrugs
[16:15] <Nafallo> I noticed it because I changed scrobbler on my phone, so that part is there :-P
[16:15] <ali1234> penguin42: twelve monkeys and 2001 are both "weird" sci-fi (for want of a better term) movies
[16:15] <ali1234> and pulp fiction and twelve monkeys both use non-linear story telling
[16:16] <ali1234> so it makes sense to me
[16:18] <penguin42> 2001 isn't that weird!
[16:18] <gord> its more along the lines of other people who like 2001 and pulp fiction also like twelve monkies
[16:18] <ali1234> penguin42: yeah except for the first hour and the last 45 minutes
[16:19] <ali1234> gord: sure, it's not intelligent. but it does make sense too
[16:19]  * SuperEngineer votes get-iplayer best linux tool - my Formula 1 Grand Prix rescuer!
[16:19] <gord> i find amazon recommendations pretty good :) its let me know about a few things i wouldn't of picked up on otherwise but have found very enjoyable
[16:20] <gord> and its fun to spend a few minutes a week pruning its recommendations on the phone -_-
[16:21] <ali1234> penguin42: i'd imagine it recommending memento and inception for you also based on what you've told us so far :)
[16:21] <penguin42> ali1234: OK, OK, the chimp bit is weird and the beyond infinity bit as well....
[16:21] <penguin42> ali1234: Ouch! It did recommend memento, but I didn't know what that was - haven't ordered it - what is it ?
[16:21] <ali1234> the blue danube docking scene is pretty tripped out (and awesome) too
[16:22] <penguin42> oh the blue danube scene is *nice* not weird
[16:22] <ali1234> memento is a movie about a guy who has no long term memory
[16:22] <ali1234> it's by the same guy that did inception
[16:22] <gord> memento is good, i'd recommend it
[16:23] <penguin42> ali1234: Thing is I saw Inception at the cinema and only kind of liked it
[16:23] <ali1234> and it uses non linear story telling
[16:23] <ali1234> i liked inception
[16:23] <ali1234> not because it was complicated (it wasn't)
[16:24] <nothingspecial> o/ quackers
[16:24] <quackers> o/ people :-)
[16:24] <ali1234> memento *is* complicated though
[16:24] <penguin42> ali1234: I think I got confused by the reason for the 2nd to last layer
[16:24] <ali1234> penguin42: i don't think you;re really supposed to analyse it
[16:25] <ali1234> i mean if you do most of it makes no sense
[16:26] <ali1234> like why do they need that machine thing in any of the inner layers? it's not real
[16:26] <gord> i still like paprika more than inception, but no one i know has ever seen that :(
[16:26] <penguin42> what's that?
[16:26] <ali1234> never heard of it. will check it out
[16:27] <gord> its similar, came out prior
[16:27] <ali1234> also, for the ultimate in impossible to understand sci-fi, you should watch primer. you literally need a diagram to understand it
[16:27] <gord> well, has similar themes
[16:27] <popey> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0851578/
[16:27] <popey> ?
[16:28]  * popey adds both to his 'list'
[16:28] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh I keep intending to watch that
[16:28] <ali1234> you can't watch it once :)
[16:30]  * popey welcomes suggestions for other 'related' films
[16:30] <ali1234> what i really love about inception is that it has the feel of a william gibson setting. it could easily be set in the same universe as neuromancer etc
[16:31] <popey> ali1234 / gord you can be my amazon 'you may also like' bots
[16:31] <ali1234> hmm, i dunno, how much films have you seen?
[16:32] <popey> well, seen inception, like films with that or time travel bents
[16:33] <ali1234> a scanner darkly was pretty good
[16:33] <gord> the girl who leapt through time is pretty good, i enjoyed it quite a bit
[16:33] <ali1234> perfect role for keanu
[16:34] <ali1234> robert downey jr is really good in that one too
[16:34] <ali1234> the rotoscoping gets a bit annoying in places though
[16:34] <tugrik> afternoon :)  If I want to run a box using full memory and loading the CPU, to test the hardware - kind of memtest but more so, what could I run?
[16:34] <gord> robert downey jr is enjoyable in almost all roles ;)
[16:34] <gord> that reminds me, must get more Nic Cage movies
[16:34] <ali1234> i often find him annoying - but again he's *supposed* to be annoying in this movie so it works
[16:35] <popey> oh yes, i liked a scanner darkly
[16:35] <ali1234> like tom hanks in ... that one movie where he plays a jerk
[16:35] <ali1234> since i can't stand him, that's his only movie that i like
[16:36] <popey> tugrik: phoronix test suite ☺
[16:36] <ali1234> phoronix i found really difficult to actually get it to run the tests :(
[16:36] <ali1234> if you don't want to do CPU and memory at the same time, i recommend cpuburn and memtest
[16:37] <ali1234> i think there's a memory tester that runs inside linux too, so you could do that, can't remember what it's called though
[16:37] <penguin42> gord: Actually, I tend to dislike Nick Cage in most things
[16:37] <gord> penguin42, you are watching the wrong nic cage movies then ;) like 2/3rds are pretty awful - but that last third are glorious just because of him
[16:38] <tugrik> thanks ali1234
[16:40] <czajkowski> in google docs how does one merge cells
[16:40] <czajkowski> as it's clearly escaping me
[16:40] <ali1234> hmm i tried that once
[16:40] <ali1234> well, either i know how to do it, or it isn't possible
[16:41] <czajkowski> no it is
[16:41] <czajkowski> I can see it done in another doc
[16:41] <ali1234> yeah i just need to remember how
[16:41] <popey> right click
[16:41] <penguin42> gord: Only one I've seen I really liked was Con Air
[16:42] <popey> highlight the two cells, right click context menu has the option to merge
[16:42] <ali1234> not here it doesn't
[16:42]  * popey checks
[16:42] <ali1234> edit -> merge cells
[16:42] <popey> odd
[16:43] <czajkowski> huzza
[16:43] <czajkowski> FINALLY!
[16:43] <czajkowski> goes back
[16:43] <ali1234> penguin42: what about the rock with sean connery? that's a good movie
[16:43] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:44] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm yeh
[16:44] <ali1234> raising arizona is also good
[16:47] <czajkowski> expendibles!
[17:03] <tugrik> thanks as well popey btw, appreciated
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> thought I bumped into the WC today - but no  - just some imposter Doo-glass with his wife Deer -Dree! damn!
[17:43]  * SuperEngineer misses the WC
[17:46] <DJones> yay. new tablet
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> DJones: as the doctor says... keep taking the tablets
[17:48] <DJones> heh
[17:48] <SuperEngineer> [you -didn't- "take", it I hope
[17:49] <DJones> nah, couldn't swallow it
[17:49] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you're not supposed to.. they're suppositories
[17:50] <DJones> ouch, that'll bring tears to my eyes
[18:39] <daubers> Evening
[18:40] <jacobw> evening
[18:43] <daubers> sometimes I forget that google groups is more than a mailing list :)
[18:45] <jacobw> i don't use google groups for anything right now
[18:46] <daubers> The local hackspace uses it quite a lot
[18:48]  * daubers writes blog while software installs
[18:49] <christel> oh so quiet!
[18:52]  * czajkowski jumps on christel *HUGS*
[18:55] <christel> hello princess!
[18:55]  * christel hugs czajkowski 
[18:56] <czajkowski> hello darling
[18:56] <christel> how art thou
[18:57] <mgdm> evening al
[18:57] <mgdm> all, even
[18:59] <christel> hullu mgdm
[19:02] <czajkowski> christel: not bad got  some jason stratham on :)
[19:19] <czajkowski> christel: how was the little on and rugby today?
[19:20] <czajkowski> *one
[19:30] <ali1234> AlanBell: i think the offset notifications on second monitor has been fixed!
[19:30] <ali1234> rebooting for updates...
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: but not all unity graphics flicker
[19:31] <ali1234> well notifications aren't part of unity
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> sure, but if you've _also_ upgraded Unity, you're going to have a bad time
[19:32] <ali1234> i'm having a bad time anyway, actually
[19:32] <ali1234> all window decorations disappeared before i updated
[19:32] <ali1234> if they flicker they'll at least be there half the time, that's an improvement right now
[19:37] <ali1234> i don't see any flickering
[19:37] <ali1234> and notifications are fixed
[19:37] <ali1234> but they are blue like the launcher
[19:38] <ali1234> except the launcher isn't blue cos i set the setting to change the colour
[19:39] <ali1234> is there a dash lens for launchpad?
[19:39] <ali1234> yes, there is
[19:40] <ali1234> but it isn't packaged
[19:41] <ali1234> seems not ready for prime time
[19:51] <ali1234> AlanBell: doh, there's a bug older than both of ours with active discussion: https://bugs.launchpad.net/notify-osd/+bug/716458
[19:56] <ali1234> ok, i successfully built a udf 2.6 iso using imgburn in wine
[19:56] <ali1234> so i just need some software to make blu-ray menus now. any ideas?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> blu-ray menus? aren't those java stuff?
[20:05] <ali1234> i don't know, and i don't really care :)
[20:05] <ali1234> i just want to make chapters in a looooooooong video
[20:05] <ali1234> and put a menu on the front
[20:27]  * popey tickles Laney 
[22:00] <threemob> can somebody help with installing midori, if I did it through Synaptic., it had a list as long as my arm to remove programs that I need and use.......
[22:00] <threemob> is there a .deb file that can be used to install it
[22:02] <AlanBell> !info midori
[22:02] <AlanBell> threemob: just sudo apt-get install midori or grab it from the software centre
[22:04] <threemob> yeh, get lots of  errors when I do that in both ways
[22:05] <threemob> http://pastebin.com/cijEhzGQ
[22:06] <threemob> get it from synaptic and it wants to delete things like brasero, and other programs I need
[22:06] <AlanBell> what version of Ubuntu are you starting from?
[22:06] <threemob> 11.10
[22:06] <AlanBell> !info libwebkitgtk
[22:07] <AlanBell> hmm, it just installs in 12.04
[22:07] <threemob> ah, that would explain it
[22:07] <threemob> thank you
[22:07] <AlanBell> well that doesn't explain it, the thing should just work in 11.10 too
[22:08] <threemob> oh right
[22:08] <threemob> how do I find the missing package
[22:09] <AlanBell> !info libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
[22:09] <AlanBell> !info libwebkitgtk-3.0-0
[22:09] <DJones> AlanBell: I have that version installed
[22:10] <threemob> ok so what does that mean, sorry. :(
[22:10] <DJones> -1.0-0 (1.4.3)
[22:10] <AlanBell> threemob: try sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
[22:10] <threemob> ok
[22:10] <AlanBell> I am expecting some kind of different error message
[22:10] <threemob> one sec I'll give it a try
[22:12] <threemob> http://pastebin.com/jbZtSWPM
[22:13] <threemob> most odd
[22:13] <AlanBell> gosh
[22:14] <threemob> so how do I get around that
[22:15] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get -f install
[22:15] <threemob> will that install the whole of my 11.10 again
[22:15] <threemob> just so I know
[22:16] <AlanBell> no, that should just give another attempt at installing the not-quite installed midori package
[22:16] <AlanBell> and anything else that is a bit broken
[22:17] <threemob> http://pastebin.com/5bG8XqTm
[22:17] <AlanBell> well that didn't do much did it
[22:17] <threemob> hehe
[22:17] <threemob> nope
[22:17] <AlanBell> maybe try installing midori again
[22:17] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install midori
[22:18] <threemob> just did that, got the e already postedsame message as before that I hav
[22:18] <threemob> sorry, start again, got the same message, as I have already posted
[22:20] <threemob> http://pastebin.com/LA3GKaNv
[22:20] <threemob> very strange
[22:21] <DJones> AlanBell: I've just tun the install command (but cancelled it) http://pastebin.com/y3ZuVX58 Maybe that gives some info
[22:21] <AlanBell> threemob: I am kind of out of ideas here
[22:22] <threemob> oh wow, definitely missing something
[22:22] <daftykins> do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[22:22] <AlanBell> maybe sudo apt-get --fix-missing install
[22:22] <threemob> daftykins: what is universe and multiverse?
[22:22] <daftykins> they're different package sources
[22:23] <daftykins> if it's refusing to install that libwebgtk package, perhaps it's not got a source for it
[22:23] <threemob> how do I enable both and where
[22:23] <daftykins> i read once not long ago that that's usually the cause, that universe and multiverse aren't enabled
[22:23] <daftykins> err not sure on such a new Ubuntu, i've not really used the 11.xx series
[22:24] <daftykins> i'm also guessing so AlanBell may well slap my wrist in a moment :D
[22:24] <threemob> It might be an idea to see what I have enabled anyway
[22:25] <daftykins> usually there's an app called "software sources" somewhere under admin or system
[22:25] <daftykins> or, you can just delve straight into /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:25] <daftykins> and see what's commented out or included
[22:26] <threemob> AlanBell tried that, and got this message http://pastebin.com/NFCeEVEN
[22:27] <threemob> just looked and both are activated
[22:27] <threemob> or enabled I should say
[22:27] <daftykins> ah-har
[22:27] <daftykins> do you get a result of you "apt-cache search libwebgtk" ?
[22:27] <daftykins> *if you
[22:28] <threemob> nothing
[22:30] <threemob> how do I correct broken packages, with the commands you already gave, as its no corrected
[22:33] <daftykins> threemob: did you have to add a repository for midori?
[22:34] <threemob> nothing when I enter apt-cache search libwebgtk
[22:34] <threemob> I havent added a repository, how do I do that
[22:34] <daftykins> oh it's not necessary, probably, i just wondered if you did. did you just run "sudo apt-get install midori" to begin with?
[22:35] <threemob> yes and got the same message I started off with, in pastebin
[22:36] <daftykins> yeah it's not going to go on until it's aware of where to find that libwebgtk package
[22:36] <daftykins> i take it you're fully updated and upgraded? "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:36] <threemob> http://pastebin.com/y3ZuVX58
[22:36] <threemob> yes, but I can that again
[22:37] <threemob> same error message I just showed you
[22:38] <threemob> need to go to bed, back is killing me, thank you so much for your help
[22:38] <threemob> might try again tomorrow, after some rest
[22:39] <daftykins> wow it wants to get rid of a lot
[22:39] <daftykins> no problemo, gl with it!
[22:39] <threemob> I know, and if I deo it via synaptic, it wants to get rid of even more
[22:39] <threemob> bye for now
[22:40] <threemob> and thanks again
[23:12]  * Laney wibbles at popey 
[23:12] <Laney> man, my hands are /freeeeeeeeeeeeezing/
[23:12] <Laney> long dark cycle back without gloves