[03:11] <jalcine> For the curious: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fedora-16-gnome-3-review,3155-28.html
[07:52] <snadge> umm.. the latest 5.8 update or whatever.. is that known to be broken?
[08:00] <snadge> i get a desktop with icons on it
[08:00] <snadge> but no launcher or panel.. and i cant click on anything
[08:00] <snadge> so im drinking moonshine to cope with the pain
[08:01] <snadge> naw not really im using unity2d ;)
[09:49] <MCR1> Hi. Since the last Compiz update I am experiencing mad flickering all the time on my Intel GMA HD4500. Is there a workaround for this already ?
[09:49] <MCR1> I tried disabling all additional plugins - no effect.
[09:50] <MCR1> I tried changing workaround options, turning all of them on and off - no effect.
[09:50] <MCR1> I purged xorg edgers PPA (although I am on Intel and it never made problems) - no effect.
[09:53] <MCR1> Unity 5.8 now starts again here at least, but with that flickering it is impossible to do anything productive or passive (I could listen to music without problems though :P)
[09:55] <MCR1> it looks like every redraw anywhere on screen causes Compiz to clear and redraw the whole screen, so if I close everything the flickering will be triggered each second, because of the clock which updates :-/
[09:57] <MCR1> removing Unity and starting just with Compiz does not make the flicker disappear, so I am quite sure the problem has something to do with the last Compiz update on Precise 12.04.
[10:28] <MCR1> Anyone here who can help with that ^^ ?
[10:29] <MCR1> It is getting really annoying ;) - need new eyes soon :P
[10:29] <MCR1> I cannot file a compiz bug with "ubuntu-bug compiz" ?
[11:43] <davidcalle> mhr3, ping
[11:44] <mhr3> pong
[11:44] <davidcalle> mhr3, how are you?
[11:44] <mhr3> hungry :)
[11:44] <njin> hello, have you tracked the unity bug of tody's update ?
[11:45] <mhr3> and just woke up :P
[11:45] <davidcalle> Hehe :P there is an issue with the rb scope, a fresh install creates album art in a place we are not looking at.
[11:46] <mhr3> oh, where is that?
[11:46] <davidcalle> mhr3, it's some weird tdb database, here is the Python to extract the right file names http://paste.ubuntu.com/897693/
[11:47] <njin> bug 963815
[11:47] <davidcalle> mhr3, really dirty, but it works, I couldn't find my way inside this db so I kind of bruteforced it
[11:48] <mhr3> i've never seen such db
[11:48] <mhr3> dunno what parses it
[11:49] <davidcalle> mhr3, me neither, and there is very few doc about it
[11:50] <mhr3> davidcalle, maybe it would be easier to patch rb to fallback to the old methods?
[11:51] <mhr3> this is pretty crazy, it has like 5 different methods of doing it
[11:52] <davidcalle> mhr3, hmm the "easy" way would be to translate my dirty hack into 5 lines of Vala :P But yeah... Patching rb... :/
[11:58] <mhr3> as i said i have no idea what parses such db, whether it has vala bindings etc... so can't really help
[12:03] <davidcalle> mhr3, Ok, anyway I'll try to find someone who knows about it, here is what the db looks like inside : http://paste.ubuntu.com/897714/ the file name is in the value, between "tfile" and "ssrctype"
[12:04] <mhr3> clearly the rb people will know something about it
[12:06] <davidcalle> mhr3, yeah... On the other hand, a simple cat also makes the db parsable (with a lot of garbage, but the values are here).
[12:07]  * mhr3 pretends he didn't see that last line :P
[12:10] <davidcalle> mhr3, yeah, lets cat the db... 0 :-)
[12:11] <davidcalle> Anyway, I got to go, it's sunny and I'm going for a picnic, have a nice day ;-)
[12:55] <MCR1> Submitted a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/963872
[16:07] <njin> hggdh hello are you i ?
[16:07] <njin> in?
[16:07] <hggdh> njin: yes, I am, for the moment
[16:08] <njin> hggdh, great help me with bug 962949 what is ?
[16:09] <njin> hggdh don't look at the testcase, now it cames at the first boot of a fresh live session
[16:09] <njin> comes
[16:10] <hggdh> njin: I have no clue. But I think this is, then, unity 5.8, and there are reports of weird behaviour on it
[16:10] <njin> hggdh, ok I assign to unity then ?
[16:12] <hggdh> I think compiz is also good now
[16:12] <njin> ok thanks a lot
[16:12] <hggdh> welcome
[18:11] <lvillani> Hi, is anyone else having problems with unity-lens-applications since the update to 5.8.0-0ubuntu1 (precise)?
[18:12] <lvillani> In particular, nothing is showing up in the dash. Indeed the only thing that seems to work is alt+f2 so I may as well have some other issue...
[20:39] <cjohnston> lvillani: I have the same issue
[20:39] <cjohnston> I was just coming in here to ask
[20:39] <cjohnston> It is the weekend, so there may not be anyone around tho
[20:40] <lvillani> glad I'm not alone, then
[20:41] <cjohnston> lvillani: I havent looked for a bug, but if you will file one I'll mark it confirmed
[20:42] <lvillani> cjohnston, did you have problems with appmenus not working and the wrong font being used throughout the desktop, too?
[20:43] <lvillani> had to nuke ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2* and ~/.config/dconf to "restore" the desktop
[20:43] <cjohnston> not that I'm aware of
[20:43] <lvillani> not sure if these are related but happened in the timeframe I updated unity
[20:46] <lvillani> bad luck, I'm gettings timeout errors on bugs.launchpad.net
[20:46] <cjohnston> I was a bit ago on lp too
[20:51] <lvillani> Reporting bug.
[20:58] <lvillani> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/964146
[21:24] <lvillani> cjohnston, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/964146
[21:26] <cjohnston> ty lvillani
[21:29] <mhr3> lvillani, did you try logging out and back in?
[21:31] <lvillani> mhr3, yes, but I can try again if you wish
[21:31] <mhr3> you have strangely few lenses
[21:31] <lvillani> yes, I only have unity-lens-applications installed
[21:34] <lvillani> (don't ask me why, it's a long story :-))
[21:35] <lvillani> oh, hey, maybe i found what the issue is
[21:35] <lvillani> cjohnston, do you have zeitgeist installed?
[21:37] <cjohnston> yes
[21:37] <cjohnston> zeitgeist kills my laptop daily.. mem goes up to > 50%
[21:38] <lvillani> mhh, interesting, I hadn't it installed but found references of it in the lens source code
[21:38] <lvillani> so, I installed it, ran setsid unity and boom, it works
[21:42] <lvillani> I have no idea what "fixed" it, though
[21:43] <cjohnston> hrm.. I wonder if the mem issue is why mine breaks
[21:45] <jo-erlend_> no doubt, Unity 5.8 is the most buggy version in a _long_ while. Both of them :)
[21:47] <jo-erlend_> I can't see anything :)
[21:47] <jo-erlend_> http://ubuntuone.com/1W7Br7jVWwI1nvbbktRLhI
[21:49] <jo-erlend_> brb
[21:49] <lvillani> yup, it's definitely zeitgeist
[21:50] <ccooke> Damn. Internet connection is playing up, so it's going to take ages to update to see if the bug I'm observing is current.
[21:51] <lvillani> Looks like either unity or unity-lens-applications is lacking a package dependency on zeitgeist
[21:54] <lvillani> aha, here it is: on my system I have soft-dependency installation disabled
[21:55] <lvillani> so: unity-lens-applications depends on libzeitgeist which /recommends/ zeitgeist-core OR zeitgeist
[21:55] <lvillani> which isn't being installed on my system
[21:55] <lvillani> since the zeitgeist daemon is not running (not installed) the lens doesn't work.
[21:59] <lvillani> cjohnston, are zeitgeist-daemon and zeitgeist-fts running on your system?
[22:01] <cjohnston> I see zeitgeist-datah
[22:02] <lvillani> cjohnston, no -daemon or -fts?
[22:05] <cjohnston> I don't see it in top, but at the same time it scrolls off the screen
[22:05] <cjohnston> is there another way to check?
[22:05] <lvillani> ps aux | grep zeitgeist
[22:06] <cjohnston> chris     1852  0.0  0.0 400160  3956 ?        Sl   16:00   0:00 zeitgeist-datahub
[22:06] <cjohnston> chris     3167  0.0  0.0   9380   888 pts/1    S+   18:06   0:00 grep --color=auto zeitgeist
[22:06] <lvillani> what about
[22:06] <lvillani> apt-cache policy zeitgeist-core | grep 'Installed'
[22:07] <cjohnston> Installed: 0.8.99~beta1-1
[22:07] <lvillani> mhh, so, it is installed but it's not running (AFAIK)
[22:09] <lvillani> hold on, let me try something...
[22:09] <cjohnston> fwiw, this is on two machines for me
[22:10] <lvillani> kill -s TERM `pidof /usr/lib/unity-lens-applications/unity-applications-daemon`
[22:11] <lvillani> then, try to open the dash and write something, it should spawn a new unity-applications-daemon
[22:11] <lvillani> on my system it spawn a new zeitgeist-daemon too
[22:11] <lvillani> *spawns
[22:12] <lvillani> (if it's not running)
[22:13] <cjohnston> still no results
[22:14] <lvillani> mhhh
[22:15] <lvillani> cjohnston, maybe you could try to delete/move ~/.local/share/zeitgeist
[22:15] <lvillani> then make sure that no zeitgeist background process is running
[22:15] <lvillani> and killing unity-applications-daemon again
[22:16] <lvillani> the writing something in the dash, in my experience this brings unity-applications-daemon back, which in turn *should* start the zeitgeist daemons.
[22:16] <cjohnston> workaround
[22:17] <lvillani> ?
[22:17] <cjohnston> that worked..
[22:17] <cjohnston> so we have a workaround
[22:17] <lvillani> yep
[22:17] <lvillani> in my case the zeitgeist daemon wasn't running at all
[22:18] <lvillani> in your case it wasn't running, probably due to a corrupt database.
[22:18] <lvillani> i.e.: it was unable to start
[22:19] <lvillani> cjohnston, now you could try to move your old zeitgeist data back, killing and restarting the daemons and check ~/.xsession-errors
[22:19] <lvillani> but this is a blind guess, I have *no* idea where zeitgeist writes its log files...
[22:20] <cjohnston> oddly enough, after moving it back, and killing it
[22:20] <cjohnston> it still works
[22:22] <lvillani> cjohnston, did you also kill the zeitgeist daemons?
[22:23] <cjohnston> yup
[22:23] <cjohnston> wait.. i used the kill command above
[22:23] <lvillani> ah, so you killed unity-applications-daemon only
[22:23] <cjohnston> I marked the bug high based upon: Renders essential features or functionality of the application or dependencies broken or ineffective  and  Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users (estimated)
[22:24] <lvillani> let's try this
[22:24] <lvillani> kill -s TERM `pidof /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon`
[22:24] <lvillani> kill -s TERM `pidof /usr/lib/zeitgeist/zeitgeist-fts`
[22:25] <lvillani> (I don't know the command for zeitgeist-datahub, I don't have it installed)
[22:25] <lvillani> kill -s TERM `pidof /usr/lib/unity-lens-applications/unity-applications-daemon`
[22:25] <lvillani> then move your backup copy of the zeitgeist database back to its place
[22:25] <lvillani> then let unity restart unity-applications-daemon
[22:27] <cjohnston> now it doesnt work
[22:27] <lvillani> if it doesn't work again, then I think it is safe to assume that you have a corrupted database which prevents zeitgeist-daemon to start
[22:27] <lvillani> cjohnston, I think you should file a separate bug report for that and attach a copy of your zeitgeist database (provided it does not contain sensitive information)
[22:27] <lvillani> since our issues are different
[22:28] <cjohnston> ** WARNING **: zeitgeist-datahub.vala:224: Unable to get name "org.gnome.zeitgeist.datahub" on the bus!
[22:28] <lvillani> cjohnston, that shouldn't be a problem (I think), since you didn't kill zeitgeist-datahub before, either
[22:31] <mhr3> cjohnston, so you kept a backup of your db and if you use that zg doesn't start?
[22:31] <cjohnston> correct
[22:31]  * mhr3 is zg upstream and would like to know what's going on here
[22:32] <mhr3> any errors from zeitgeist-daemon ?
[22:32] <cjohnston> mhr3: yes
[22:32] <cjohnston> where would I look mhr3
[22:33] <mhr3> just run `zeitgeist-daemon --replace --log-level=debug`
[22:34] <cjohnston> [22:34:19.790262 DEBUG] utils.vala:58: DATA_PATH = /home/chris/.local/share/zeitgeist
[22:34] <cjohnston> [22:34:19.790351 DEBUG] utils.vala:77: DATABASE_FILE_PATH = /home/chris/.local/share/zeitgeist/activity.sqlite
[22:35] <mhr3> pastebin is your friend
[22:35] <lvillani> (:
[22:35] <cjohnston> its only two lines
[22:35] <mhr3> oh?
[22:35] <cjohnston> ya.. thats all I got
[22:35] <mhr3> wtf
[22:36] <mhr3> so it seems like it hangs trying to open the db
[22:36] <mhr3> your db must be "interesting"
[22:37] <mhr3> how big is it?
[22:37] <cjohnston> mhr3: since your in the know on zg.. are you aware of any issues where zg runs away with all of my ram?
[22:37] <mhr3> zg doesn't, fts does
[22:38] <mhr3> cjohnston, like https://bugs.launchpad.net/zeitgeist/+bug/928324 ?
[22:38] <cjohnston> is there a bug on that?
[22:38] <cjohnston> must be private
[22:38] <cjohnston> 1 sec
[22:38] <mhr3> oh.. right
[22:38] <mhr3> sorry
[22:38] <cjohnston> mhr3: I just got unity-lens-video crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process /usr/bin/zeitgeist-daemon exited with status 1
[22:39] <cjohnston> mhr3: yes... I don't know though that its fts.. I just kill the pid and move on
[22:39] <mhr3> oh so it at least return an error code
[22:39] <cjohnston> because it makes my system inoperable
[22:39] <cjohnston> i got a ubuntu-bug popup and it wants me to report a bug in LP
[22:39] <cjohnston> but its against unity-lens-video
[22:40] <mhr3> cjohnston, well if zg itself is using lots of mem than something is terribly wrong, it should be around ~5 mb all the time
[22:40] <mhr3> fts on the other hand has a xapian index, and that has some memory issues apparently :(
[22:41] <cjohnston> ill have to look into it mhr3 next time it happens
[22:41] <cjohnston> I normally am stuck having to ssh in to kill the pid
[22:41] <mhr3> but the error code is interesting
[22:41] <cjohnston> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-video/+bug/964201
[22:42] <cjohnston> its private
[22:43] <mhr3> wow, it must be super-private, i can't see it :P
[22:49] <cjohnston> probably because its against ubuntu.. I'm bug control or whatever its called, so i can see alot of stuff
[22:49] <cjohnston> if i subscribe you would that let you ahve access?
[22:49] <cjohnston> 7
[22:49] <cjohnston> uggh
[22:50] <mhr3> yea, i'm bug-control too :)
[22:51] <mhr3> clearly that's not enough :)
[22:51] <mhr3> ok now it worked
[22:51] <lvillani> cjohnston, can you lower the importance of bug 964146 ?
[22:51] <cjohnston> g2g.. dinner.. bbiaf
[22:52] <cjohnston> to?
[22:52] <lvillani> it shouldn't happen on a default installation since weak-dependencies are installed by APT by default, IIRC
[22:52] <cjohnston> bbiaf, dinner
[22:52] <mhr3> sadly there's nothing interesting there, no logs :(
[22:52] <lvillani> cjohnston, don't know.. "Normal", maybe or even low
[22:53] <lvillani> I think it's pretty uncommon to disable installation of weak dependencies
[22:53]  * lvillani is a control freak...
[22:55] <mhr3> cjohnston, any chance you could open a bug against zeitgeist with your activity.sqlite from the backup that causes the problem?
[23:06] <cjohnston> mhr3: lp.net/zeitgeist?
[23:18] <cjohnston> do you mind looking through it real quick and then letting me remove ie?
[23:18] <cjohnston> uggh
[23:28] <mhr3> cjohnston, holy crap, that's huge
[23:28] <mhr3> cjohnston, are you using u1 a lot?
[23:28] <cjohnston> i was
[23:28] <cjohnston> i moved most of my stuff off of it
[23:29] <mhr3> i think the u1 dataprovider is kinda screwed up, but let me look at it first
[23:32] <cjohnston> I blame Aq
[23:33] <mhr3> 50% of the uris in there are uids from u1 :(
[23:33] <mhr3> it shouldn't log those at all
[23:34] <cjohnston> is that how it tells if they are in sync or not?
[23:38]  * davidcalle wakes up
[23:38] <davidcalle> Video lens bug, hmm, did I screw up something?
[23:39] <davidcalle> Oh, nope :)
[23:40] <cjohnston> davidcalle: ty very much for fixing my video lens bug
[23:40] <davidcalle> cjohnston, which one?
[23:41] <cjohnston> Chris's Stuff
[23:41] <cjohnston> the ' causing errors
[23:42] <davidcalle> cjohnston, oh right :) It was me being silly.
[23:43] <cjohnston> your sillyness caused me headaches :-P
[23:43] <davidcalle> Hehe
[23:45] <davidcalle> mhr3, is "Zeitgeist not installed" really a use case that lenses should support? What do the other lenses do, stay silent?
[23:46] <mhr3> davidcalle, they dont really work in that case... which is a bug obviously :)
[23:47] <mhr3> bug in a library though... lenses will work once that is fixed
[23:48] <davidcalle> mhr3, why doesn't Zeitgeist have a hard dependency on Unity, by the way?
[23:48] <Daekdroom> Isn't that the other way around?
[23:48] <davidcalle> Right :)
[23:49] <mhr3> well, i dont have strong opinion either way
[23:50] <mhr3> once i fix the bug in the library i'll be happy
[23:58] <mhr3> cjohnston, btw feel free to remove it
[23:58] <cjohnston> ty