[04:21] <CellTech> BlackBerry Bold 9000 will no longer mount as mass storage device after I orphaned my system. What might I have to reinstall to make this pda device of mine mount again before my orphaned package removal?
[06:17] <ooiiooo> I'm have a dual boot setup with xubuntu and two OS X installations. I don't want OS X to be in the grub boot menu. I don't want those partition to show up in thunar's devices. possible?
[06:22] <Sysi> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17787/clean-up-the-new-ubuntu-grub2-boot-menu/
[06:22] <Sysi> use "gksudo leafpad" instead of "sudo gedit"
[06:22] <Sysi> GUI apps should only be used with gksudo
[06:23] <ooiiooo> thanks
[06:27] <ooiiooo> what is the difference between gksu and gksudo?
[06:28] <Sysi> in ubuntu they should be same app, on other distributions just two slightly different apps for same task
[06:29] <ooiiooo> then why does gksudo accept my password and gksu doesn't?
[06:30] <bazhang> !find gksu
[06:30] <Sysi> ah, they're not same app anymore. gksu wants root passwd which doesn't exist in ubuntu, gksudo asks your user's passwd
[06:30] <bazhang> !info gksu
[06:30] <ooiiooo> k, thanks
[06:31] <bazhang> it's not installed perhaps?
[06:31] <Sysi> bazhang, read what I said :)
[06:32] <bazhang> Sysi, you seem to be mistaken
[06:33] <ooiiooo> some program, different behaviour: --sudo-mode, -S: Make GKSu use sudo instead of su, as if it had been     run as "gksudo".
[06:34] <Sysi> ah, I think I've heard about that option for gksu. I just started to think it could've been done like that
[06:36] <ooiiooo> busybox does the same thing, right? one executable, different behaviour depending on what symlink was run
[13:40] <Helsinkiii> hi
[13:40] <Helsinkiii> Just installed Xubuntu 11.1 over Ubuntu and I must say this is pretty cool
[13:41] <Helsinkiii> Except for the fact that hitting "next" in parole fast forwards, and doesn't skip songs
[13:41] <Helsinkiii> How can I fix this?
[14:03] <Kilos> afternoon all from south africa. can someone please tell me how to get xchat alerts to work in natty 11.04
[14:04] <Helsinkiii> no idea
[14:04] <Kilos> i have done settings prefs alerts that work in ubuntu but still no sound
[14:05] <Kilos> also no login sound but pirgin freecell and vlc work fine
[14:05] <Kilos> *pidgin
[14:07] <Sheperson> my mb has an on-board VGA (ATI) and also supports an additional VGA card (I had an NVidia).
[14:08] <Sheperson> Now I have removed the NVidia card and try to use the on-board card
[14:08] <Sheperson> but I have no idea how to configure Xorg for it
[14:08] <Sheperson> can someone help me with it?
[14:08] <baizon> Sheperson: what amd card?
[14:09] <baizon> which version ?
[14:09] <Sheperson> ATI Radeon X1250 (or X1200)
[14:09] <Sheperson> my mb is Gigabyte GA-MA 69G-S3H
[14:10] <baizon> ok, so what do you need to configure?
[14:10] <Sheperson> Xorg starts, but I think it is not configured correctly
[14:11] <Sheperson> when I run Xorg -configure, I get an error that NVidia card is not found
[14:11] <Sheperson> or something like that
[14:11] <baizon> ok
[14:12] <baizon> try...
[14:12] <baizon> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[14:12] <baizon> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
[14:12] <baizon> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core
[14:12] <baizon> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:12] <baizon> then reboot
[14:12] <Sheperson> ok, let me try
[14:12] <Helsinkiii> do you guys know how to get parole to skip songs when i click "next" and not FF?
[14:12] <baizon> Sheperson: more under: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver
[14:12] <Sheperson> thanks
[14:13] <baizon> just skip the "removing" part
[14:17] <Sheperson> baizon, I get this error:
[14:17] <Sheperson> E: Internal Error, No file name for libgl1-mesa-dri
[14:18] <baizon> Sheperson: then dont use "--reinstall"
[14:18] <Sheperson> ok
[21:39] <gry> does xubuntu use same sources.list / repositories as ubuntu?
[21:42] <mongy> gry: in a word, yes
[21:42] <gry> would you mind pasting your sources.list for an example please?
[21:42] <mongy> gry: to me, ubuntu is not a gnome/unity desktop, it is a base install + whatever-desktop install
[21:43] <mongy> mm ok
[21:43] <mongy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/898431/
[21:44] <mongy> I have removed all the # comments and also enabled partner repo, but aside from that it is a stock list
[21:45] <gry> hm, if you install xfig for example, does it show up in applications menu? I think the problem is that it doesn't for me
[21:46] <gry> (just uninstall it once done if you like, I hope it's not a problem to try)
[21:47] <mongy> the menu is different to gnome/unity so you might have to add it yourself.
[21:48] <mongy> I'm running 12.04 btw and it has a menu item in the graphics section
[21:50] <mongy> alacarte (the menu editor) is installed by default though, which might suggest a reason why
[21:50] <mongy> if it's any help, it's just run as 'xfig' nothing special.
[22:19] <boris1001> could anybody help with a sound problem?
[22:23] <GridCube> !details | boris1001
[22:37] <gry> mongy, so xfig appears in graphics for you?
[22:39] <Guest84306> Hi there! Anybody here?
[22:41] <Guest84306> ?
[22:42] <Guest84306> ?
[22:43] <Guest84306> I need to get Help...
[22:43] <Guest84306> ...about translation project.
[22:45] <chelz> Guest84306: have you looked over http://xubuntu.org/contribute/translating/ ?
[22:45] <mongy> gry: yes
[22:46] <Guest84306> Thank You, I'm just reading it. :-)
[22:46] <gry> mongy, many thanks
[22:47] <Guest84306> You think is it possible to contribute to translate the offline help?
[22:48] <Guest84306> I would not translate the applications but only the Xubuntu offline help.
[22:49] <Guest84306> Interestingly they are on the Natty release...
[22:50] <Guest84306> Where is Oneiric and the forthcoming Precise?
[22:58] <Guest84306> I'm from Hungary - on the official hungarian ubuntu irc channel they said
[22:58] <Guest84306> the documentation translation project is actually dead.
[22:59] <Guest84306> You think is it true?
[22:59] <GridCube> knome,
[22:59] <GridCube> pleia2,
[23:01] <GridCube> Guest84306, translators are always welcome
[23:01] <Guest84306> :-) Thanx
[23:02] <knome> GridCube, hey?
[23:02] <GridCube> sup knome, Guest84306 here wants to know stuff about translations and stuff
[23:02] <Guest84306> is the offline help in your native language on your system?
[23:03] <GridCube> Guest84306, never used it let me check
[23:03] <GridCube> no its not :U
[23:03] <Guest84306> Hardcore users usually doesn't need it
[23:03] <knome> hmmh, i have to admit, i don't know much about the translations or documentation status
[23:03] <GridCube> lol even the logo in the documentation its the really old one XD
[23:03] <Guest84306> but it could be useful for a beginner I think.
[23:04] <knome> GridCube, that's interesting. is it even saying 12.04? :P
[23:04] <knome> or are you on precise anyway?
[23:04] <knome> or do you mean the *really old* logo?
[23:05] <Guest84306> I'm on Oneiric, the offline help talks about it, but in english.
[23:06] <Guest84306> The Ubuntu contribution page is a bit confusing me,
[23:06] <GridCube> knome, http://imagebin.org/205010
[23:07] <knome> hrrrh
[23:07] <Guest84306> firstly because it's for Ubuntu not for Xubuntu...
[23:07] <GridCube> knome, the really really old one
[23:07] <knome> yeah
[23:07] <knome> that's acutally even an old version of the old logo
[23:07] <GridCube> the one that was the coolest :P
[23:07] <GridCube> gotta go
[23:07] <GridCube> bbl
[23:08] <Guest84306> ... of course I know many parts of it is the same.
[23:08] <knome> Guest84306, exactly
[23:08] <knome> Guest84306, tbh, even the xubuntu docs in *english* aren't doing so well
[23:09] <knome> Guest84306, that's probably something else we need to cover in the Q cycle
[23:10] <Guest84306> Maybe You're right.
[23:10] <Guest84306> There is online help for Ubuntu, online for Xfce and so on...
[23:10] <knome> i can't remember when is the last time we really reviewed the focs
[23:10] <knome> *docs
[23:11] <Guest84306> But it doesn't look like professional, if there is no offline help in native language...
[23:11] <Guest84306> I  know everybody is online but...
[23:11] <knome> unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it unless we get more contributors
[23:12] <knome> if you are volunteering to start working on the docs, that would be awesome, and you'd get all the support from the team you need
[23:12] <knome> that's the prerequisite to get offline docs in a translatable condition
[23:13] <Guest84306> OK,  I think I've to compare the ubuntu docs to xubuntu.
[23:13] <Guest84306> knome Yes it is. :-)
[23:13] <knome> if you're interested in undertaking the project, or help with it, join our devel channel at #xubuntu-devel
[23:14] <knome> you also might want to join the xubuntu-devel mailing list and introduce yourself
[23:14] <Guest84306> I see... Thank You.
[23:14] <knome> but as i said, it's probably something we need to cover in Q, so i'm at least trying to get some love for the docs in the next cycle
[23:15] <knome> i'm pretty sure there are things that are completely outdated as well as some things that probably need no review
[23:15] <Guest84306> Are the docs usually released in English the actual xubuntu release, and the translated ones later?
[23:15] <knome> that depends
[23:16] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[23:16] <knome> there's the DocStringFreeze (3 days ago)
[23:16] <knome> after that, there's time for translations
[23:17] <Guest84306> Ahaaaaa!!! I understand. Valuable info. :-)
[23:17] <knome> but since the docs are in awful shape, there's no way to get the translations in for this release
[23:17] <Guest84306> :-(
[23:17] <knome> and if we updated the docs, we'd lose any translations
[23:17] <knome> and i think ancient translations are better than no translations
[23:18] <Guest84306> But there is no translation in hungarian - for offline docs. Online is OK, i think.
[23:18] <knome> online docs is completely different thing
[23:19] <Guest84306> Of course we need the basics first,
[23:19] <knome> they don't really have any freezes, since they are not tied to any release
[23:19] <Guest84306> later we could translate - I agree.
[23:20] <Guest84306> Precise will be a LTS. Do You think are there any chances for updated offline docs?
[23:20] <knome> nope, as i said, the unfortunate situation is that we've passed the doc freeze
[23:20] <knome> and even if we updated the docs in english and got that in, it would mean we'd lose any translations
[23:21] <Guest84306> Oh, really... sorry...
[23:21] <knome> and there's no time to both review the docs and work on the translations
[23:22] <knome> so sadly yes, it needs to be for the QQ cycle, and we can only hope that people will use the online docs as much as possible
[23:22] <knome> (though i don't know how recent they are either)
[23:24] <Guest84306> Maybe it's just my opinion, but it would be nice the OS includes a well shaped, updated and usable offline help too, not just online.
[23:24] <knome> i completely agree
[23:25] <knome> it's just we haven't had the manpower or anybody with specific interest towards the docs for a while
[23:25] <Guest84306> I see...
[23:26] <Guest84306> But as You said, an outdated but translated help is better than nothing. :-)
[23:26] <knome> yep
[23:27] <knome> this cycle, more than 60% of the work items done for xubuntu were done by 4 people
[23:27] <knome> that tells much, doesn't it?
[23:27] <knome> and actually, that's about to raise
[23:27] <knome> to about 65%
[23:28] <Guest84306> Wow. :-)
[23:28]  * knome will score about 30% ...
[23:28] <gry> knome, 'work items'?
[23:28] <knome> though, it's not that simple. some work items are harder to accomplish than others
[23:28] <Guest84306> Anyway the help system is affected by System Update?
[23:29] <knome> gry, single bugs or other items, like "create countdown banners"
[23:29] <knome> gry, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html for details
[23:29]  * knome admits some of his items are very trivial :)
[23:30] <knome> but otoh, there's much work that doesn't show up there anyway
[23:30] <Guest84306> OK, i'll check it.
[23:30] <Guest84306> Anyway the help system is affected by System Update? I mean...
[23:30] <knome> yes, the offline docs can get updates via system updates
[23:31] <Guest84306> OK, I see.
[23:31] <knome> so one idea is to get the docs in shape, and provide the new docs and translated versions via SRU's (stable release updates), which are 12.04.1 etc
[23:31] <knome> 12.04.1 is released in july 19, that might be a bit tight
[23:32] <knome> 12.04.2 is january 31 2013, that sounds more realistic for updated docs and a fair amount of translations
[23:32] <Guest84306> Oh, I can't wait it for. :-) I LOVE Xubuntu!
[23:32] <gry> knome, I'll  look at it, many thanks for the url
[23:33] <knome> gry, np :)
[23:33] <pad> Hi everyone.
[23:33] <knome> Guest84306, well, somebody still needs to do thw WORK ;)
[23:33] <knome> Guest84306, so still, if you are willing to help.. that will help :)
[23:33] <knome> pad, hello
[23:33] <Guest84306> Agree. :-)
[23:34] <pad> I'm looking for some help with pulseaudio/alsamixer.
[23:34] <Guest84306> Maybe in 12.10.
[23:34] <knome> Guest84306, well as i said, 12.04.x is realistic
[23:34] <pad> is there someone eager to ?
[23:35] <knome> Guest84306, but that will mean it's not provided when 12.04 is released
[23:35] <knome> pad, what is the problem?
[23:35] <Guest84306> But You said its been freezed yet...
[23:35] <knome> Guest84306, i will try to explain again :)
[23:35] <Guest84306> So we possibly wont get updated offline docs...
[23:35] <pad> knome : well, a few days ago, I lost all sound on my system.
[23:35] <knome> Guest84306, 12.04 is released in april
[23:36] <knome> Guest84306, we won't be able to get the udpates docs out in april
[23:36] <pad> It worked correctly before that, and I don't know what trigger it (an update probably, but i'm unsure)
[23:36] <knome> Guest84306, but we can work on them meanwhile, and apply those along with a SRU (stable release update) at a later stage
[23:36] <Guest84306> Thats why i said maybe in 12.10. :-)
[23:37] <knome> Guest84306, meaning, anybody with 12.04 will get the updated docs along with normal security updates
[23:37] <Guest84306> Yes yes i see yet!!!
[23:37] <knome> Guest84306, but maybe in july...
[23:37] <Guest84306> Ok Ok, sorry...
[23:37] <knome> Guest84306, not april, when 12.04 is released :)
[23:37] <pad> The point is, I tried what I could find on the web (checking alsamixer, installing pavucontrol, ...) without anything happening.
[23:37] <Guest84306> ok ok ok imsorry imsorry imsosorry. :-)
[23:38] <knome> pad, what card? i have audigy 2 platinum ex, and i need to unmute a specific channel in alsamixer to get any sound out
[23:38] <pad> The only thins that does do something is "pulseaudio -k" which makes the sound actually work for like 500ms before pulseaudio is stopped.
[23:38] <knome> pad, hmm, sounds weird...
[23:39] <pad> lspci gives (if that's what you want) : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06)
[23:40] <knome> pad, that's integrated, i assume? :)
[23:40] <pad> yes
[23:40] <Guest84306> Keep up the good work guys, I quit - bye!
[23:41] <knome> Guest84306, okay, see you
[23:50] <pad> Hum... after killing it like ten times, it somehow came back to normal. However, I'm not feeling too confident it will last, since the bug survived reboot and purge before that...
[23:51] <knome> pad, which xubuntu version is it?
[23:52] <pad> 11.10
[23:52] <Helsinkiii> hi
[23:52] <knome> hello
[23:52] <Helsinkiii> When I hit "next" in Parole it fast forwards, and doesn't actually skip in my playlist. any ideas?
[23:53] <pad> Hi Helsinkiii.
[23:53] <Helsinkiii> hi pad
[23:54] <Helsinkiii> pad, any ideas?
[23:57] <pad> no. I'm not using Parole on a regular basis, sry.
[23:57] <Helsinkiii> pad, what do you use? I don't like it that much
[23:57] <Helsinkiii> I want something that is as simple as Parole and has a playlist integrated into the player window
[23:58] <pad> Helsinkiii : seems to me that indeed those are not "next" buttons but "fast forward" buttons.
[23:58] <pad> (seems so when you look at the label after a right clic)
[23:59] <Helsinkiii> pad, there is no label. and i've never seen a player that doesn't skip when you hit next
[23:59] <Helsinkiii> i might just get the source and fix it