=== moylan1 is now known as moylan === emma is now known as em [04:21] BlackBerry Bold 9000 will no longer mount as mass storage device after I orphaned my system. What might I have to reinstall to make this pda device of mine mount again before my orphaned package removal? [06:17] I'm have a dual boot setup with xubuntu and two OS X installations. I don't want OS X to be in the grub boot menu. I don't want those partition to show up in thunar's devices. possible? [06:22] http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17787/clean-up-the-new-ubuntu-grub2-boot-menu/ [06:22] use "gksudo leafpad" instead of "sudo gedit" [06:22] GUI apps should only be used with gksudo [06:23] thanks [06:27] what is the difference between gksu and gksudo? [06:28] in ubuntu they should be same app, on other distributions just two slightly different apps for same task [06:29] then why does gksudo accept my password and gksu doesn't? [06:30] !find gksu [06:30] Found: gksu, libgksu2-0, libgksu2-dev, nautilus-gksu, gksu-polkit [06:30] ah, they're not same app anymore. gksu wants root passwd which doesn't exist in ubuntu, gksudo asks your user's passwd [06:30] !info gksu [06:30] gksu (source: gksu): graphical frontend to su. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.2-5ubuntu2 (oneiric), package size 26 kB, installed size 160 kB [06:30] k, thanks [06:31] it's not installed perhaps? [06:31] bazhang, read what I said :) [06:32] Sysi, you seem to be mistaken [06:33] some program, different behaviour: --sudo-mode, -S: Make GKSu use sudo instead of su, as if it had been run as "gksudo". [06:34] ah, I think I've heard about that option for gksu. I just started to think it could've been done like that [06:36] busybox does the same thing, right? one executable, different behaviour depending on what symlink was run === Sysi_ is now known as Sysi [13:40] hi [13:40] Just installed Xubuntu 11.1 over Ubuntu and I must say this is pretty cool [13:41] Except for the fact that hitting "next" in parole fast forwards, and doesn't skip songs [13:41] How can I fix this? [14:03] afternoon all from south africa. can someone please tell me how to get xchat alerts to work in natty 11.04 [14:04] no idea [14:04] i have done settings prefs alerts that work in ubuntu but still no sound [14:05] also no login sound but pirgin freecell and vlc work fine [14:05] *pidgin [14:07] my mb has an on-board VGA (ATI) and also supports an additional VGA card (I had an NVidia). [14:08] Now I have removed the NVidia card and try to use the on-board card [14:08] but I have no idea how to configure Xorg for it [14:08] can someone help me with it? [14:08] Sheperson: what amd card? [14:09] which version ? [14:09] ATI Radeon X1250 (or X1200) [14:09] my mb is Gigabyte GA-MA 69G-S3H [14:10] ok, so what do you need to configure? [14:10] Xorg starts, but I think it is not configured correctly [14:11] when I run Xorg -configure, I get an error that NVidia card is not found [14:11] or something like that [14:11] ok [14:12] try... [14:12] sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon [14:12] sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati [14:12] sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core [14:12] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [14:12] then reboot [14:12] ok, let me try [14:12] do you guys know how to get parole to skip songs when i click "next" and not FF? [14:12] Sheperson: more under: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver [14:12] thanks [14:13] just skip the "removing" part [14:17] baizon, I get this error: [14:17] E: Internal Error, No file name for libgl1-mesa-dri [14:18] Sheperson: then dont use "--reinstall" [14:18] ok [21:39] does xubuntu use same sources.list / repositories as ubuntu? [21:42] gry: in a word, yes [21:42] would you mind pasting your sources.list for an example please? [21:42] gry: to me, ubuntu is not a gnome/unity desktop, it is a base install + whatever-desktop install [21:43] mm ok [21:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/898431/ [21:44] I have removed all the # comments and also enabled partner repo, but aside from that it is a stock list [21:45] hm, if you install xfig for example, does it show up in applications menu? I think the problem is that it doesn't for me [21:46] (just uninstall it once done if you like, I hope it's not a problem to try) [21:47] the menu is different to gnome/unity so you might have to add it yourself. [21:48] I'm running 12.04 btw and it has a menu item in the graphics section [21:50] alacarte (the menu editor) is installed by default though, which might suggest a reason why [21:50] if it's any help, it's just run as 'xfig' nothing special. [22:19] could anybody help with a sound problem? [22:23] !details | boris1001 [22:23] boris1001: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [22:37] mongy, so xfig appears in graphics for you? === nucleo is now known as Guest84306 [22:39] Hi there! Anybody here? [22:41] ? [22:42] ? [22:43] I need to get Help... [22:43] ...about translation project. [22:45] Guest84306: have you looked over http://xubuntu.org/contribute/translating/ ? [22:45] gry: yes [22:46] Thank You, I'm just reading it. :-) [22:46] mongy, many thanks [22:47] You think is it possible to contribute to translate the offline help? [22:48] I would not translate the applications but only the Xubuntu offline help. [22:49] Interestingly they are on the Natty release... === m00se is now known as bizkit === bizkit is now known as m00se [22:50] Where is Oneiric and the forthcoming Precise? [22:58] I'm from Hungary - on the official hungarian ubuntu irc channel they said [22:58] the documentation translation project is actually dead. [22:59] You think is it true? [22:59] knome, [22:59] pleia2, [23:01] Guest84306, translators are always welcome [23:01] :-) Thanx [23:02] GridCube, hey? [23:02] sup knome, Guest84306 here wants to know stuff about translations and stuff [23:02] is the offline help in your native language on your system? [23:03] Guest84306, never used it let me check [23:03] no its not :U [23:03] Hardcore users usually doesn't need it [23:03] hmmh, i have to admit, i don't know much about the translations or documentation status [23:03] lol even the logo in the documentation its the really old one XD [23:03] but it could be useful for a beginner I think. [23:04] GridCube, that's interesting. is it even saying 12.04? :P [23:04] or are you on precise anyway? [23:04] or do you mean the *really old* logo? [23:05] I'm on Oneiric, the offline help talks about it, but in english. [23:06] The Ubuntu contribution page is a bit confusing me, [23:06] knome, http://imagebin.org/205010 [23:07] hrrrh [23:07] firstly because it's for Ubuntu not for Xubuntu... [23:07] knome, the really really old one [23:07] yeah [23:07] that's acutally even an old version of the old logo [23:07] the one that was the coolest :P [23:07] gotta go [23:07] bbl [23:08] ... of course I know many parts of it is the same. [23:08] Guest84306, exactly [23:08] Guest84306, tbh, even the xubuntu docs in *english* aren't doing so well [23:09] Guest84306, that's probably something else we need to cover in the Q cycle [23:10] Maybe You're right. [23:10] There is online help for Ubuntu, online for Xfce and so on... [23:10] i can't remember when is the last time we really reviewed the focs [23:10] *docs [23:11] But it doesn't look like professional, if there is no offline help in native language... [23:11] I know everybody is online but... [23:11] unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it unless we get more contributors [23:12] if you are volunteering to start working on the docs, that would be awesome, and you'd get all the support from the team you need [23:12] that's the prerequisite to get offline docs in a translatable condition [23:13] OK, I think I've to compare the ubuntu docs to xubuntu. [23:13] knome Yes it is. :-) [23:13] if you're interested in undertaking the project, or help with it, join our devel channel at #xubuntu-devel [23:14] you also might want to join the xubuntu-devel mailing list and introduce yourself [23:14] I see... Thank You. [23:14] but as i said, it's probably something we need to cover in Q, so i'm at least trying to get some love for the docs in the next cycle [23:15] i'm pretty sure there are things that are completely outdated as well as some things that probably need no review [23:15] Are the docs usually released in English the actual xubuntu release, and the translated ones later? [23:15] that depends [23:16] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [23:16] there's the DocStringFreeze (3 days ago) [23:16] after that, there's time for translations [23:17] Ahaaaaa!!! I understand. Valuable info. :-) [23:17] but since the docs are in awful shape, there's no way to get the translations in for this release [23:17] :-( [23:17] and if we updated the docs, we'd lose any translations [23:17] and i think ancient translations are better than no translations [23:18] But there is no translation in hungarian - for offline docs. Online is OK, i think. [23:18] online docs is completely different thing [23:19] Of course we need the basics first, [23:19] they don't really have any freezes, since they are not tied to any release [23:19] later we could translate - I agree. [23:20] Precise will be a LTS. Do You think are there any chances for updated offline docs? [23:20] nope, as i said, the unfortunate situation is that we've passed the doc freeze [23:20] and even if we updated the docs in english and got that in, it would mean we'd lose any translations [23:21] Oh, really... sorry... [23:21] and there's no time to both review the docs and work on the translations [23:22] so sadly yes, it needs to be for the QQ cycle, and we can only hope that people will use the online docs as much as possible [23:22] (though i don't know how recent they are either) [23:24] Maybe it's just my opinion, but it would be nice the OS includes a well shaped, updated and usable offline help too, not just online. [23:24] i completely agree [23:25] it's just we haven't had the manpower or anybody with specific interest towards the docs for a while [23:25] I see... [23:26] But as You said, an outdated but translated help is better than nothing. :-) [23:26] yep [23:27] this cycle, more than 60% of the work items done for xubuntu were done by 4 people [23:27] that tells much, doesn't it? [23:27] and actually, that's about to raise [23:27] to about 65% [23:28] Wow. :-) [23:28] * knome will score about 30% ... [23:28] knome, 'work items'? [23:28] though, it's not that simple. some work items are harder to accomplish than others [23:28] Anyway the help system is affected by System Update? [23:29] gry, single bugs or other items, like "create countdown banners" [23:29] gry, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-xubuntu.html for details [23:29] * knome admits some of his items are very trivial :) [23:30] but otoh, there's much work that doesn't show up there anyway [23:30] OK, i'll check it. [23:30] Anyway the help system is affected by System Update? I mean... [23:30] yes, the offline docs can get updates via system updates [23:31] OK, I see. [23:31] so one idea is to get the docs in shape, and provide the new docs and translated versions via SRU's (stable release updates), which are 12.04.1 etc [23:31] 12.04.1 is released in july 19, that might be a bit tight [23:32] 12.04.2 is january 31 2013, that sounds more realistic for updated docs and a fair amount of translations [23:32] Oh, I can't wait it for. :-) I LOVE Xubuntu! [23:32] knome, I'll look at it, many thanks for the url [23:33] gry, np :) [23:33] Hi everyone. [23:33] Guest84306, well, somebody still needs to do thw WORK ;) [23:33] Guest84306, so still, if you are willing to help.. that will help :) [23:33] pad, hello [23:33] Agree. :-) [23:34] I'm looking for some help with pulseaudio/alsamixer. [23:34] Maybe in 12.10. [23:34] Guest84306, well as i said, 12.04.x is realistic [23:34] is there someone eager to ? [23:35] Guest84306, but that will mean it's not provided when 12.04 is released [23:35] pad, what is the problem? [23:35] But You said its been freezed yet... === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [23:35] Guest84306, i will try to explain again :) [23:35] So we possibly wont get updated offline docs... [23:35] knome : well, a few days ago, I lost all sound on my system. [23:35] Guest84306, 12.04 is released in april [23:36] Guest84306, we won't be able to get the udpates docs out in april [23:36] It worked correctly before that, and I don't know what trigger it (an update probably, but i'm unsure) [23:36] Guest84306, but we can work on them meanwhile, and apply those along with a SRU (stable release update) at a later stage [23:36] Thats why i said maybe in 12.10. :-) [23:37] Guest84306, meaning, anybody with 12.04 will get the updated docs along with normal security updates [23:37] Yes yes i see yet!!! [23:37] Guest84306, but maybe in july... [23:37] Ok Ok, sorry... [23:37] Guest84306, not april, when 12.04 is released :) [23:37] The point is, I tried what I could find on the web (checking alsamixer, installing pavucontrol, ...) without anything happening. [23:37] ok ok ok imsorry imsorry imsosorry. :-) [23:38] pad, what card? i have audigy 2 platinum ex, and i need to unmute a specific channel in alsamixer to get any sound out [23:38] The only thins that does do something is "pulseaudio -k" which makes the sound actually work for like 500ms before pulseaudio is stopped. [23:38] pad, hmm, sounds weird... [23:39] lspci gives (if that's what you want) : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) [23:40] pad, that's integrated, i assume? :) [23:40] yes [23:40] Keep up the good work guys, I quit - bye! [23:41] Guest84306, okay, see you [23:50] Hum... after killing it like ten times, it somehow came back to normal. However, I'm not feeling too confident it will last, since the bug survived reboot and purge before that... [23:51] pad, which xubuntu version is it? [23:52] 11.10 [23:52] hi [23:52] hello [23:52] When I hit "next" in Parole it fast forwards, and doesn't actually skip in my playlist. any ideas? [23:53] Hi Helsinkiii. [23:53] hi pad [23:54] pad, any ideas? [23:57] no. I'm not using Parole on a regular basis, sry. [23:57] pad, what do you use? I don't like it that much [23:57] I want something that is as simple as Parole and has a playlist integrated into the player window [23:58] Helsinkiii : seems to me that indeed those are not "next" buttons but "fast forward" buttons. [23:58] (seems so when you look at the label after a right clic) [23:59] pad, there is no label. and i've never seen a player that doesn't skip when you hit next [23:59] i might just get the source and fix it