[13:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I thought I shut it down last night
[13:54] <shadeslayer> tablet is almost done upgrading to precise \o/
[14:35] <shadeslayer> rbelem: something is foobared with kubuntu-active, it doesn't pull in anything
[15:14] <shadeslayer> rbelem: plasma-active takes a shit load time to load :S
[15:30] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[15:35] <shadeslayer> KDE starts up fine
[15:35] <shadeslayer> active does not 
[15:35] <shadeslayer> well .. I get the splash thingy and then nothing
[15:36]  * shadeslayer thinks the X bits are shot on precise
[15:57] <shadeslayer> heh, es2gears reports around 20 fps
[16:00] <shadeslayer> whuuuttt
[16:08] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  try glxgears
[16:09] <BluesKaj> es2gears seems wrong to me 
[16:09] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: it's a ARM device, I don't think glxgears will be any betters
[16:09] <shadeslayer> and the nvidia-tegra package doesn't seem to work for some reason
[16:10] <BluesKaj> 1466 frames in 5.0 seconds = 292.454 FPS with glxgears full screen
[16:11] <BluesKaj> 113 frames in 5.0 seconds = 22.483 FPS wih es2gears full screen
[16:11] <shadeslayer> again, not a standard ubuntu install :P
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Half the stuff isn't working
[16:12]  * BluesKaj wonders about the resource hogging
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Plasma Active starts and then crashes
[16:12] <BluesKaj> practically the same graphics 
[16:12] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: huh?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> es2 and glx
[16:13] <shadeslayer> es2 is for opengles2 whereas glx gears uses opengl if available
[16:13] <BluesKaj> plasma active ..what does that do anyway ...i don't see thepoint of it
[16:13] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: KDE for Touch screen based devices
[16:13] <BluesKaj> oh tablets
[16:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:13] <BluesKaj> ok I forgot.
[16:14] <shadeslayer> I managed to boot ubuntu on my transformer, now running precise and unity, but can't get active started
[16:14] <shadeslayer> probably because I'm missing graphics drivers
[16:15] <BluesKaj> yeah, I have to to use hi cpu and hi graphics on this monitor in order for the root apps to show proper sized fonts etc in systemsettings
[16:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:17] <ScottK> debfx: scidavis appears to have GLu header problems with Qt4.8.  It would be nice if you could have a look at it.
[16:18] <ScottK> I think it'd be worth uploading that and the patch in Debian Bug #654265 to experimental and then syncing.
[16:18] <ScottK> (I'll sponsor if you'll figure out the fix)
[16:20] <Peace-> Riddell: 13 vs 5 on the poll 
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ping
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: were you able to run plasma active?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> ( on your transformer )
[16:33] <shadeslayer> rbelem: ok so I can start plasma desktop just fine, but plasma active does not start
[16:43] <nigelb> shadeslayer: use unity! *ducks*
[16:43] <shadeslayer> actually, that's what I was using earlier :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> rbelem: Riddell startactive log, could either of you tell me why startkde works but startactive just gives me a blank screen ?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> it shows me the splash but then blanks out
[16:50] <shadeslayer> erm .. the log is here : http://paste.kde.org/446240
[16:50] <shadeslayer> heh, cant even register clicks
[16:51] <debfx> ScottK: /usr/include/qwtplot3d-qt4/qwt3d_openglhelper.h:67:31: error: 'gluErrorString' was not declared in this scope
[16:51] <debfx> sounds like a bug in qwt3d
[16:52] <ScottK> OK.
[16:54] <ScottK> debfx: Care to fix that then?  There's no fix (or even bug) for it in Debian.
[17:15] <debfx> in fact qwtplot3d FTBFS with Qt 4.8
[17:26] <ScottK> I guess it needs adding to http://wiki.debian.org/QtMultiarchTransition then as it's got a mix of multiarch and 4.8 things.
[17:36] <debfx> ScottK: I haven't added new packages to the wiki as it just duplicates the usertag bug overview
[17:37] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  How about adding the link to that to the wiki page then.
[17:37] <debfx> it's already there
[17:37]  * ScottK look again
[17:37] <ScottK> Sure enough. Thanks.
[17:38] <debfx> patch for qwtplot3d sent
[17:39] <debfx> if only the BTS wasn't so slow
[17:47] <ScottK> debfx: Ubuntu upload accepted.  Thanks.
[18:45] <ScottK> debfx: scidavis still fails: http://paste.debian.net/160948/ - qwtplot3d or scidavis' fault?
[18:47] <debfx> ScottK: scidavis needs to link against GLU
[18:48] <ScottK> OK, so it'll need a Qt 4.8 change too?
[18:49] <debfx> yes
[18:52] <rbelem> shadeslayer, did you install kubuntu-active-default-settings?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> afaik yes
[18:52] <shadeslayer> rbelem: it's installed
[18:52] <rbelem> shadeslayer, it should work well
[18:53] <rbelem> shadeslayer, at least it was working fine on virtualbox
[18:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:53] <shadeslayer> I dunno, could be the drivers, but then standard desktop KDE starts just fine
[18:53] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is 3d acceleration working?
[18:53] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:54] <shadeslayer> I need to port the GLES drivers from nvidia's L4T release to the kernel that my install is using
[18:54] <rbelem> shadeslayer, maybe that's the issue
[18:54] <shadeslayer> and I have absolutely no idea how to do that :P
[18:54] <shadeslayer> rbelem: I think so too
[18:54] <rbelem> :-D
[18:55] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i'm working now to finish the kwin for active
[18:55] <shadeslayer> oh awesome
[18:56] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i backported the two needed patches, but only one is being applied for now
[18:57] <shadeslayer> rbelem: there's also the issue of the transformer having only 8MB's for the kernel
[19:01] <rbelem> shadeslayer, ouch...
[19:02] <rbelem> shadeslayer, it needs a simple kernel to boot the main kernel
[19:04] <shadeslayer> idk .. haven't looked into it alot
[19:40] <littlegirl> Ping jjesse. (:
[20:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: hi
[20:17] <Riddell> how are the docs getting on
[20:17] <Riddell> Darkwing said he'd package them have you noticed any sign of that?
[20:28] <littlegirl> Riddell: No, but I've pushed a couple of more changes since the doc freeze.
[20:29] <rbelem> heya Riddell 
[20:31] <rbelem> Riddell, i think we need one more package to kde-window-manager http://paste.kde.org/446288/
[20:31] <rbelem> Riddell, or we move the #common block to kde-window-manager-data?
[20:45] <Riddell> rbelem: those files under #common are binary, packages called -data are only for arch independent files
[20:45] <Riddell> so if they need to be shared find a good name for another shared package
[20:50] <rbelem> Riddell, they look like plugins, right? the package could be kde-window-manager-plugins?
[20:51] <rbelem> mgraesslin, ^
[20:51] <rbelem> :-)
[20:52] <Riddell> rbelem: yes I think so
[20:53] <Riddell> rbelem: plugins will have a .desktop file to go with them, make sure the .so and the .desktop file are both in the same package
[20:53] <rbelem> sweet :-)
[20:53] <rbelem> oki
[21:02] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... i dont know why but kde-window-manager-plugins is not sounding right to me :-(
[21:05] <rbelem> but they are plugins...
[21:40] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-window-manager-common ?
[21:40] <Riddell> rbelem: kde-window-manager-common-plugins ?
[21:40] <Riddell> I wonder why debian changed it to  kde-window-manager from kwin
[21:46] <ScottK> It makes way less sense now that kde is people.
[21:49] <jalcine> Probably to make more semantic.
[21:49] <jalcine> Like gnome-window-manager, unity-window-manager, x-window-manager, etc.
[22:04] <Darkwing> Riddell: Having issues with xml2po... trying to figure it out with the other doc guys
[22:07] <Riddell> Darkwing: mm, docbook tools are never friendly to use
[22:07] <Darkwing> Yeah I know.
[22:08] <Darkwing> I've let the Ubuntu Documentation team know... I kinda got yelled at for being too proactive and not waiting for Ubuntu Docs to submit everything.
[22:08] <Darkwing> To the translators that is. So, we shall see what happens.
[22:20] <nixternal> LibreOffice Writer - start a new file, insert a new form field, can you double click on it to open up the form controls dialog?
[22:20] <nixternal> with precise ^^
[22:22] <littlegirl> Darkwing, do you have a preference for either "file system" or "filesystem" in the docs? Both are used, and I'd like to pick one for all of them. (:
[22:23] <littlegirl> Also, do you prefer <trademark class="registered">Adobe</trademark> or <trademark>Adobe</trademark> where Adobe is just an example?
[22:25] <nixternal> bug 964838 - if you try what i asked above and it doesn't work, i filed a report on it
[23:45] <Darkwing> anyone in here still using Oneiric?
[23:49]  * littlegirl uses Lucid.