[00:36] <aguitel> any tips in the upgrade process from 11.10 to 12.04 ?
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: personally I'd clean install so the LTS install doesn't have all the old release fluff in it
[00:39] <aguitel> ActionParsnip, ok
[00:39] <aguitel> ActionParsnip, are you using gnome ,or kde?
[00:40] <aguitel> i am in kde right now
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> aguitel: I switch between gnome+unity and LXDE
[00:58] <bjsnider> it is possible to get rid of the old fluff
[01:38] <jswagner> bjsnider: delete and re-create your home folder?
[01:38] <jswagner> the new configs created would adhere to the current system defaults
[01:39] <bjsnider> no
[01:39] <bjsnider> that is highly extreme
[01:39] <jswagner> less extreme than reinstalling, which we the other option we discussed.
[01:39] <bjsnider> i was referring to doing autoremoves, ppa-purges, and searches for local packages
[01:40] <jswagner> it sounds like you already know what your options are, then.
[01:41] <jswagner> however, that wasn't the 'fluff' we were referring to in our earlier discussion
[01:42] <bjsnider> we who?
[01:42] <jswagner> scroll up and review
[01:42] <bjsnider> i didn't see your current alias
[02:04] <ssfdre38> hey does anyone know if there is a apt-get for php5-ftp function to be enable or do i have to build it from source?
[02:19] <ActionParsnip> ssfdre38: are you using Precise?
[02:19] <ssfdre38> yes on my tower
[02:20] <ActionParsnip> ssfdre38: then why ask in #ubuntu when Precise is only supported here til release day?
[02:20] <ssfdre38> cause im wondering for both 11.10 for my server and laptop and 12.04 for my tower
[02:20] <ssfdre38> so i thought i might ask in both channels for both os
[04:02] <LetterRip> hi all - I'm running the upcomming ubuntu - my wireless card has disappeared - this particular hardware has a known IRQ conflict between the wireless and the nvidia card
[04:02] <LetterRip> xt5000t
[04:03] <LetterRip> in the previous version of ubuntu - sometimes the card would usually show up
[04:03] <LetterRip> however since i've installed the beta it never appears
[04:04] <LetterRip> actually in the previous version usually the card would show up
[04:04] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: does it show in dmesg anywhere?
[04:04] <LetterRip> ActionParsnip: how do i check?
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: is the system a laptop or a desktop? Does it have a make and model?
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: dmesg | less       and read...
[04:05] <LetterRip> laptop - everex xt5000t
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: use cursor down to scroll
[04:05] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: why did you not mention the model, or the fact it was a laptop til just now?
[04:06] <LetterRip> i said xt5000t
[04:06] <LetterRip> for some reason didn't occure to me that desktops now have wireless
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: that could be anything.
[04:06] <LetterRip> so it wouldn't be obvious that it was a laptop
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: if you run:  sudo lshw -C network     do you see the wireless chip?
[04:07] <LetterRip> just a sec still scrolling dmesg
[04:07] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: according to my searching its a AR5001 but the lshw command will show what it is in your system
[04:08] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: do you have a switch to enable/disable wifi?
[04:08] <LetterRip> yes there is a switch to enable disable
[04:08] <LetterRip> but it is enabled
[04:09] <LetterRip> the command sudo lshw -C network - PCI (sysfs)
[04:09] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: it may take a while to run
[04:09] <LetterRip> but other stuff appears on the same line
[04:09] <LetterRip> but is over written
[04:09] <LetterRip> ah nevermind
[04:09] <LetterRip> it finished
[04:09] <LetterRip> just a sec
[04:10] <ActionParsnip> LetterRip: what is the product line for the system?
[04:11] <ActionParsnip> sorry, wireless adapter
[04:11] <LetterRip> here is the output
[04:11] <LetterRip> http://www.pasteall.org/30352
[04:11] <LetterRip> it doesn't show my internal card it looks like
[04:11] <LetterRip> which you are right is ar5001
[04:23] <kpow> hello
[04:24] <kpow> any1 knows why ubuntu 12.04 takes 30% more battery than 11.04?
[04:24] <kpow> the nice guys at #kernel blamed the bloatware
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> kpow: try a lighter DE, it will use less power
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> kpow: using lighter apps will use less power too, using Unity2D will make the system use less power, or if you use LXDE, the default WM will be openbox which is very light
[04:29] <kpow> im using unity2d
[04:30] <kpow> and same apps compared to my 11.04 installation, and still the laptop is draining 30% more power than in 11.04
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> kpow: are there any bugs reported?
[04:30] <kpow> dunno
[04:31] <kpow> im pretty sure dell knows that
[04:31] <kpow> its pretty easy to find out
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> kpow: bugs reported with ubuntu, not dell
[04:34] <kpow> but google knows... google knows everything...
[04:34] <kpow> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/linux-kernel-power-issue-fix.html
[04:34] <kpow> its not ubuntu, its a kernel bug which isnt fixed in 3.2
[04:36] <kpow> there
[04:36] <kpow> there's a workaround though
[04:36] <caf4926> in beta1 the installer just gets stuck a 'copying files'
[04:37] <caf4926> is this a known issue
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded?
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: are you installing from CD or USB?
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: LOL yes
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: usb
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: did you opt to install updates from the web?
[04:41] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: no
[04:42] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: actually I tried the latest live too and it had the same issue
[04:43] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: so I'm thinking it might be my netbook
[04:43] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: but I just wiped 11.10 away, which was all good
[04:50] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: could try the alternate ISO, or the minimal
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: you could press CTRL+ALT+F1 and see what process is running with the packages
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: you may want to check ram and drive health
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> caf4926: my Precise install took 2 goes tbh, worked the second time
[04:52] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: OK
[04:53] <caf4926> ActionParsnip: thanks for the advices
[05:02] <kpow> oh crap it seems i need to compile a custom kernel
[05:03] <kpow> the power consumption bug is fixed in 3.2.5 but currently my 12.04 system runs 3.2.0-20
[05:04] <kpow> btw there is a bug in launchpad/ubuntu about this, its an old issues and its said to be fixed in status, yet comments leave it unclear if its fixed or not, and appearently its not fixed on my dell v131
[05:04] <ssfdre38> you do know that ubuntu's 3.2.0-20 is just v3.2.12 o the kernel
[05:04] <ssfdre38> on the kernel*
[05:06] <kpow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/760131
[05:07] <kpow> :-)
[05:07] <kpow> well it isnt fixed on my system, i will try the workaround (aspm=force)
[05:07] <kpow> power consumption up from 1200mA to around 1600mA
[05:08] <ssfdre38> did you upgrade your system?
[05:08] <kpow> yes from 11.04 to 12.04
[05:08] <ssfdre38> i not talking about versions im talking about system upgrade
[05:09] <kpow> its a laptop, pretty new, only change was OS version (apt-get dist-upgrade)
[05:10] <ssfdre38> do sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:11] <kpow> don't tell me to sudo, im root to the bone!
[05:11] <kpow> :-)
[05:12] <ssfdre38> most are not so that is why i just do sudo first
[05:13] <kpow> yea well they do disallow root login in many distributions lately...
[05:13] <kpow> i already got used to do sudo su as soon as i login
[05:14] <ssfdre38> well there is a root term on ubuntub in /usr/share/applications
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> or you can make one :)
[05:15] <ActionParsnip> kpow: if you leapfrogged Oneiric then you will get issues
[05:16] <ActionParsnip> kpow: sudo -i    is advised, it will use your user's config and settings. sudo su    will use roots
[05:16] <kpow> ActionParsnip, right now everything works, i had to fix some conflicts and some inexisting directories, and had an issue with some certificates not updating into the java/cacerts file, but thats it
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> kpow: but did you upgrade 11.04 to 11.10 first, then to 12.04?
[05:17] <kpow> nope
[05:17] <kpow> 11.04 -> 12.04 with a prayer and a keyboard
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> kpow: then your OS will havea lot of issues, leapfrogging releases is not advised at all
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> kpow: personally I'd reinstall
[05:18] <kpow> why it works and i was never afraid of packaging issues
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> kpow: i bet it bites you later
[05:18] <kpow> hehe
[05:21] <kpow> while ($ubuntu ~~ /works/) { use ubuntu } else { use debian }
[05:21] <kpow> is that how im supposed to use smartmatching in perl? never did b4
[05:23] <kpow> while ($ubuntu ~~ /works/) { use ubuntu } else { use debian }
[05:39] <kpow> any1 knows what i need to do to enable hibernation on 12.04?
[05:40] <ActionParsnip> kpow: depends on the make and model
[05:41] <kpow> ok thanks
[06:44] <scarleo> Hello, yesterday Unity 3D broke completely for me, won't start most of the time but when it does everything is flickering and jumping around, like launcher, panel etc. And there is a huge constant shadow below panel.
[06:44] <scarleo> Unity 2D is working just fine.
[07:26] <kpow> umm, can any1 tell me why acroread has 250 dependencies i don't have on my system?
[07:27] <kpow> i just tried apt-get install acroread cuz the default e-book viewer in 12.04 doesn't work for some reason
[07:27] <kpow> i need to install 250 new packages
[07:27] <kpow> ahh i got it...
[07:28] <kpow> its 32bit, with dependencies on 250 packages i have in 64bit but it needs them in 32bit
[07:46] <beata> I see that wiican has been removed according to launchpad. I'm interested in learning why, also in figuring out how to map a wiimote to custom keybindings. I had been using it as a remote control for pithos.
[08:31] <Jordan_U> After a recent upgrade, any time I open a new terminal I get the error "*** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap'" and features like history via the up arrow (and probably others) are missing.
[08:59] <graingert> my clock hasn't gone forward
[08:59] <graingert> on ubuntu
[08:59] <graingert> (+1)
[09:23] <graingert> and now I can't SSL
[09:23] <graingert> The OCSP response is not yet valid (contains a date in the future).
[09:39] <graingert> !ticker
[10:53] <c3sso> can somebody tell me in which package the file-open file-save dialog is?
[11:01] <ironhalik> c3sso: I would guess its nautilus
[11:01] <ironhalik> but its a guess :>
[11:35] <snadge> hmm.. wobble windows is broken in the latest unity ;)
[11:35] <snadge> open firefox.. and it kinda wobbles as it usually does.. then bends and freezes
[11:36] <snadge> then doesnt maximise properly.. until you click on the title and it bounces to full screen
[11:41] <ironhalik> you should file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug compiz'
[14:02] <guest-yb8IIV> hello
[14:03] <ozpy> I ran an update on Ubuntu 12.04 and now can only access as guess... When accessing as main user the menus don't come out
[14:03] <ironhalik> ozpy: check if you still have the ubuntu-desktop package installed
[14:04] <ozpy> how to do that?
[14:04] <ironhalik> in terminal, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <ozpy> When I'm on as main user I can't get anything to work... I just see the wall paper
[14:05] <ozpy> I have to pull out the battery to restart it
[14:05] <ironhalik> you can do it by pressing ctrl + alt + f2
[14:05] <ironhalik> and logging in
[14:05] <ironhalik> it will switch to tty
[14:19] <DanC> I'm trying to set up my HL5250DN printer in Ubuntu 12.04; Ubuntu automagically detected and configured it, but incorrectly. How can I supply my own .ppd file?
[14:27]  * DanC used the cups web interface
[14:30] <jelmer> DanC: there should be an option for you to upload it
[14:32] <ozpy> Hi... I ran an update on Ubuntu 12.04 and now I can't get the menu to work. I only see the wallpaper. I need to pull out the battery to restart it... I can only run it as guess mode
[14:33] <ozpy> I'm on guess mode right now because main user does not work
[14:33] <ozpy> Somebody was helping me before but my system got in trouble
[14:34] <ozpy> hello?
[14:35] <Daekdroom> ozpy, log in your other account (use the user switcher so you can leave this chat on), press CRTL + ALT + F2, log it in there too, run 'unity --reset'. And to go back to your main session, press CRTL + ALT + F3-8 until you find it.
[14:35] <MrChrisDruif> !patience | ozpy
[14:36] <Daekdroom> You're not the first person to have this problem since the Unity 5.8 update.
[14:36] <ozpy> Daekdroom: thanks... let me see one sec
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Daekdroom; I guess it would be CTRL + ALT + F7
[14:37] <Daekdroom> MrChrisDruif, I think that's where his guest account currently is.
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> His main session right?
[14:37] <Daekdroom> I meant main user. Awww.
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> So first F2 (Or F1-6) to fix it and then F7 to get back?
[14:38] <Daekdroom> No. The purpose is having him check whether unity is fixed.
[14:38] <Daekdroom> So he'd want to go to his main user's session.
[14:39] <Daekdroom> I can't remember where a 2nd X session goes. I think it's F6 but I'm not sure.
[14:39] <ozpy> Daekdroom: thanks... it did not work
[14:39] <ozpy> nothing came in
[14:39] <Daekdroom> ozpy, so your main user is still a wallpaper screen?
[14:40] <ozpy> I was in terminal mode
[14:40] <ozpy> I have to go now on graphical interface?
[14:40] <Daekdroom> So you didn't check your main user after running unity --reset ?
[14:40] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[14:40] <ozpy> ok. Let me see
[14:45] <ozpy> Daekdroom: 1) I logged in as main used 2) Ctr+Alt+F2 3) unity --reset 5) then went back to the graphical interface 6) Still nothing but wallpaper 7) Alt+Ctrl+F7 to come back as guess mode
[14:45] <Daekdroom> Odd.
[14:45] <Daekdroom> But you're using Unity as a guest, correct?
[14:45] <ozpy> Yes... Now I'm as guess
[14:45] <Daekdroom> That wouldn't leave much for anything other than configuration.
[14:46] <ozpy> The menus don't come out as main user
[14:46] <ozpy> not even the icon that are on the desktop
[14:46] <ozpy> I just see a wallpaper... I can;t click on the power icon
[14:48] <ozpy> But when I log in as recuperation mode it works
[14:49] <ozpy> the main user works on recuperation mode
[14:49] <ozpy> Let me restart the system. give me 5 mins
[14:58] <spacebug-> when running synaptic I get a window telling me I have to autenticate for administrator rights. So far so good, but should not that window be always on top / always have focus and not beeing able to click outside of that so it looses focus?
[15:02] <ozpy> Daekdroom: It worked now. I had to turn off and then log in as main user > ALt+cTrl+F2> unity --reset> Restart> All ok
[15:02] <ozpy> I had to do it at least 3 times and it worked in the end
[15:02] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[15:02] <ozpy> I have no clue why it did not work the first 2 times
[15:03] <Daekdroom> Me neither.
[15:32] <roothorick> is there a reliable way to figure out which device a given input event comes from?
[15:32] <roothorick> there's some screen buttons on my laptop that aren't working, but I can't figure out where the bug lies
[15:43] <spacebug-> roothorick: not sure how to track that but you can see keys if you run the program xev in a terminal and presses the keys
[15:47] <spacebug-> roothorick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Architecture    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/xmodmap.1.html    https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaKeys   these could give you some hints maybe
[16:00] <Seven_Six_Two> is there anything major missing from precise that won't be available until the official release? I'm thinking of nvidia drivers or something else major like that.
[16:07] <kklimonda> Seven_Six_Two: I don't think so
[16:07] <Seven_Six_Two> nm, but thanks kklimonda I found the tech overview
[16:11] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm excited to see how fast the upgrade will go with a 12 mbit connection!
[16:12] <jtaylor> with a good connection installing is what takes time, not downloading
[16:12] <Dulak> I had forgotten how often the packages update in the run-up to an LTS release...  Everyday it seems I'm having to update 1/2 my system.
[16:12] <jtaylor> if you want to save time and don't care about catastrophic failure in case of a powercut you can speed it up with eatmydata
[16:15] <Seven_Six_Two> I've never heard of eatmydata...  mysql is listed as "remove". is a different version currently available?
[16:16] <jtaylor> which version do you have?
[16:16] <jtaylor> 5.1? 5.5 is in precise
[16:16] <jtaylor> so it will probably remove 5.1 and install 5.5
[16:17] <Seven_Six_Two> oh yes. I missed it under install.
[16:19] <Seven_Six_Two> i have a UPS, so I'm probably safer using eatmydata, but I'll stick with the standard install for now. I'm going to look in to it further though.
[16:19] <|Long|>  hi, i just installed x11vnc, do i have to restart computer or is there restart service cmd?
[16:19] <jtaylor> yes eatmydata should only be used if you are fine with a reinstall, any issue and you'll likely end in an irreparable state
[16:20] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, if it hasn't changed, x11vnc doesn't start automatically
[16:21] <|Long|> right now i cant restart computer... just hopping there is cmd to restart service for it
[16:22] <jtaylor> sudo service <service-name> restart
[16:22] <|Long|> how do i know what servive name is bud?
[16:23] <Seven_Six_Two> but I don't think x11vnc runs as a service by default. just start it by hand in a terminal
[16:23] <|Long|> Seven_Six_Two, do you know the cmd?
[16:23] <Seven_Six_Two> the command is x11vnc
[16:24] <|Long|> so, i do sudo x11vnc restart?
[16:24] <Seven_Six_Two> but the first time it will probably complain about being unsafe, and give you the proper options to use
[16:25] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, no sudo needed, and "restart" is for services, so it's not needed. just x11vnc with whatever options you want after it
[16:26] <Seven_Six_Two> |Long|, unfortunately I'm doing a dist upgrade right now and don't have x11vnc installed so I can't look, but the man page is very clear in its instructions
[16:27] <|Long|> Seven_Six_Two, thanks
[16:38] <flips> hm, tried the 12.04 desktop daily build installer, but it didn't seem to recognize my LVM setup. Do I need an alternate installer for that?
[16:40] <flips> (I'm currently running crunchbang debian on the laptop, would be nice to reuse /home)
[16:42] <arand> Yeah, i think only alternate contains the lvm stuffs
[16:43] <flips> no alternate installers available for Precise yet? :)
[16:44] <Seven_Six_Two> flips, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/  has an iso
[16:48] <flips> Seven_Six_Two: thanks ... (wonder why I didn't see that ...) Maybe I need some coffee ... ;)
[17:18] <User_007> Hello, i need help: When i login with my user, unity don't load (loads wallpaper, but just it), but unity2D load normally.
[17:19] <User_007> When i try guest user, unity just work fine,
[17:20] <User_007> i have already tried to move .config folder to another place, but it still not loading.
[17:20] <Seven_Six_Two> User_007, you did an upgrade, not a fresh install?
[17:20] <User_007> i did a fresh 12.04 beta1 install, but i keep my /home partition
[17:21] <Seven_Six_Two> can you pastebin the end of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:22] <User_007> sure
[17:22] <Seven_Six_Two> but not after a successful login. do it during the fail
[17:22] <User_007> ok, wait a sec
[17:25] <Seven_Six_Two> so much for a fast upgrade because of my connection. I'm guessing the server(s) are busy right now.
[17:26] <Seven_Six_Two> I can barely get over 500KB/s
[17:28] <Artemis3> you tell me, i'm struggling with my upgrade :S now need to find out why firefox keeps crashing, and how to fix xfce :(
[17:29] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, run firefox in a terminal. you should get some output about the crash.
[17:31] <Artemis3> yes, im running with -g option... i think the problem now lies with libpthread
[17:31] <Daekdroom> Wow. A lot of people have been having issues with Unity not loading since the upgrade to 5.8
[17:32] <Artemis3> im reinstalling a LOT of packages, and it seems the upgrade made bad choices, some things installed i386 without the amd64 :S
[17:33] <Artemis3> and left a bunch of things unconfigured (because dependency failed, blah blah) took me a while to solve the first issues
[17:33] <penguin42> Artemis3: The dependencies with the i386 stuff still isn't great; but it can come from odd paths; typically things like browsers or codec plugins
[17:34] <Artemis3> i think more people need to install 11.10 amd64 and then upgrade, there are plenty of bugs
[17:34] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm looking for the page now, but there was some information about upgrading amd64 and the change to multiarch
[17:35] <Artemis3> fresh install is working fine tho.
[17:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Systems using ia32-libs must migrate to multiarch in order to upgrade to 12.04
[17:37] <Seven_Six_Two> Aptitude does not work on 64 bit systems without disabling multiarch in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[17:38] <Seven_Six_Two> so I'm guessing that trying to upgrade aptitude and ia32 will cause a problem
[17:39] <Artemis3> hmm
[17:40] <Seven_Six_Two> that's from wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview
[17:40] <Daekdroom> Use apt-get instead.
[17:40] <Artemis3> been using apt-get but maybe i did not uninstall aptitude
[17:40] <Daekdroom> bug 831768
[17:40] <Daekdroom> You don't have to uninstall it.
[17:40] <Daekdroom> Just don't use it.
[17:40] <Artemis3> yes never use aptitude for some reason, habits i guess
[17:40] <Artemis3> i
[17:44] <patr|ck> o/
[17:45] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:46] <pr0ph3t> is anyone using gnome-shell on Ubuntu 12.04?
[17:46] <patr|ck> pr0ph3t: describe the problem maybe
[17:49] <Seven_Six_Two> I have a recurring problem. Every time there is a new release, my computer starts to smell funny after sitting in front of it for 2 or 3 days straight.
[17:50] <penguin42> Seven_Six_Two: Get out of the chair when you need to, well you know...
[17:51] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm not sure what you mean. I ran dbg when the fruit flies appeared, but it didn't seem to have any effect.
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> patr|ck, I have several problems with the extensions, they are all greyed out on the gnome-tweak-tool and I can't delete them, so I purged them with apt-get
[17:53] <patr|ck> pr0ph3t: maybe (just guessing!) they are graphics driver related. did you poke the option already that checks for more suitable drivers in the gnome-settings?
[17:54] <patr|ck> sorry, gnome-control-center that is
[17:54] <patr|ck> under hardware -> additional drivers
[17:55] <trism> pr0ph3t: they probably just need their version bumped in the metadata.json files, you can check alt+f2, lg and on the errors tab it will say 'not compatible with gnome-shell version' or similar
[17:56] <patr|ck> oh
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> trism, thanks it is exactly as you suggested
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> so they are all out of date and I simply cannot use extensions
[17:58] <jbicha> pr0ph3t: you do know that GNOME Shell 3.4 is still in development, right?
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> jbicha, official release date is April right?
[18:00] <trism> pr0ph3t: most of my extensions worked perfectly when I fixed the version to 3.3.92 (I actually only had one that needs fixing, oh and the user-theme extension got renamed and gnome-tweak-tool hardcodes the name so you need to fix that too)
[18:00] <jbicha> GNOME itself releases next week, but give extension developers a bit of time, most distros won't have it in their stable releases until April, May, or so
[18:06] <pr0ph3t> do you use the gnome3 and webupd8 PPAs only?
[18:09] <trism> pr0ph3t: I don't use either
[18:14] <pr0ph3t> trism, how do you upgrade then?
[18:15] <pr0ph3t> or update even
[18:18] <oconnore> Hi, after restoring from a suspend, the entire top bar (with the exception of close/minimize/maximize) is not responding to mouse click. The clock is still updating, as is the battery meter, but I can't click on them, nor anything from the application menu.
[18:20] <trism> pr0ph3t: I build my own packages for them, or they are in ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions, probably best to wait until 3.4 is released if you want the ppa versions
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> trism, so the webupd8 PPA is for the extensions but you build them yourself so you get the source code and they work for you?
[18:41] <trism> pr0ph3t: after updating the shell-version in their metadata.json file, most worked, yes. most of mine are simple ui tweaks, so more complicated ones may not, depending on what changed.
[18:42] <trism> pr0ph3t: click View Source under the extension in alt+f2, lg and you'll see the file I mean
[18:47] <scarleo> Hello, I have a lot of trouble with Unity 3D after an update yesterday, everything is flickering; dash, launcher and there's a constant shadow under the flickering panel.
[18:47] <scarleo> It's the same for all users, also newly created
[18:50] <scarleo> Anyone know what might be causing it? Am I missing some package?
[18:50] <spych102> i think unity 3d is broken atm
[18:51] <Daekdroom> It isn't.
[18:51] <scarleo> I have tried reinstalling everything Unity but that didn't help
[18:52] <Patrickdk> doesn't sound like a unity issue
[18:52] <Patrickdk> sounds like a video driver issue
[18:52] <Patrickdk> or a video card overheating
[18:53] <scarleo> I have checked temperatures, it's not a overheating. Might be the driver though
[18:53] <spych102> which driver are you using?
[18:55] <scarleo> i915
[18:58] <Artemis3> could anyone help me diagnose the reason firefox 11 is crashing with my linux machine? should i go with -g and provide results?
[18:58] <scarleo> xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.17.0-1ubuntu4
[19:11] <spych102> scarleo, are you able to reboot with the previous kernel version from grub?
[19:58] <scarleo> spych102, I've tried previous kernels but they make no difference
[20:29] <glosoli> finally after some updates my ACPI key for Turning Off touchpad working!! woohoo Ubuntu ;D
[20:33] <Crippled> Had to file most serious bug report (#964685) about the failure of basic Disability Accessibility functionality in 12.04. Not sure if bug report is in the right place. Any suggestions as to where it should be filed welcomed!
[20:35] <Daekdroom> bug 964685
[20:36] <kpow> oh for me it just works
[20:37] <kpow> glosoli, for me it just works, dell v131
[20:42] <Crippled_User> Again - as either there is a freenode issue that is a mess - or someone does not like my very accurate user name - have had to file a most serious but (#964685) concerning Disability Accessibility in 12.04. Not sure it it is correctly filed - and giving needed info for it to be addressed. Relevant feedback - advice welcome!
[20:42] <Daekdroom> Crippled_User, I think the issue with disappearing sound/power icons is a  Unity2D issue. I'm using Unity and they don't disappear when I select the High contrast themes (but they don't become high contrast either)
[20:43] <Daekdroom> I think your bug report addresses more issues than the usual bug report. The fact you can't find a package to file it against is because they're all over the place (and therefore filing it against Ubuntu seems reasonable to me).
[20:45] <glosoli> kpow: never worked before for me :D
[20:45] <Daekdroom> I'm not very familiar with bug tracking, but if no one else here knows how to help you with it, you should try the #ubuntu-bugs channel.
[20:45] <Crippled_User> Well there is an issue which starts with the Live CD and carries over to a full install ...
[20:47] <Crippled_User> Bug happens in both 3D and 2D ... it all works like a dream in 10.04.4 through 11.10, then this
[20:50] <Crippled_User> Daekdroom - it's a bit hard to use the built in bug reporting systems when they basics of accessibility that allow a user to do that are.... well .... inaccessible. P^(
[20:54] <Daekdroom> Crippled_User, I subscribed the Ubuntu Accessibility team to your bug report. I'm not sure I should've done that, but it should give your matters some attention.
[21:04] <Crippled_User> Daekdroom - well it is an issue on basic accessibility, so one would expect them to have an interest! P^) ... but it is very silly that basic accessibility features needed for people to test drive accessibility and even report bugs just are not there.
[21:09] <argrubbs> Hey guys, I'm interested in testing out 12.04. I'm currently running 11.10, but as it is still beta I am concerned about bugs affecting my experience. Is there a way that I can safely test 12.04 or should I just stick with 11.10 until release?
[21:11] <Daekdroom> argrubbs, you could try the LiveCD or running 12.04 in a Virtual Machine.
[21:13] <beata1> Or perhaps a USB device.
[21:13] <argrubbs> Is there a way to retain packages and settings in a live session?
[21:14] <argrubbs> I was under the assumption that everything was reset after you reboot.
[21:14] <Daekdroom> It is possible to set up a Live USB to do that.
[21:15] <argrubbs> Would that be the "store in reserved space" option in the USB creator?
[21:16] <Daekdroom> Probably.
[21:16] <argrubbs> Okay, I'll try that out. Thanks for the assistance.
[21:22] <Seven_Six_Two> well, I've done my upgrade from 11.10, and aside from not having any panel or desktop icons (fixed by ssh -X into system and installing nvidia driver) all seems to be good! I like how there is now a unity panel on each of my monitors!
[21:22] <beata1> I'm interested in finding a way to map a wiimote to custom actions. Was using wiican on the older system, but that's been removed, and possibly too recently for google to have indexed anything about that or about the input service.
[21:23] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, can you test if firefox crashes?
[21:23] <Seven_Six_Two> sure thing
[21:23] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, been having that issue since the upgrade
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> do you think it matters if I'm in gnome right now? I can switch back if you'd like
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> not gnome-classic but the newer one. gnome-shell I think it's called
[21:24] <Artemis3> nah
[21:24] <Seven_Six_Two> ok. one sec
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> it starts. anything you'd like me to test?
[21:25] <Artemis3> are you using your old home dir or made a new user?
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> old dir
[21:25] <Artemis3> use it a while and see if it crashes
[21:25] <Artemis3> are you 64 bit?
[21:25] <Seven_Six_Two> yes
[21:25] <Artemis3> ok
[21:25] <beata1> Firefox? I had a crashing issue for several weeks from lucid-updates, on my other machine; updating to 11 pretty much fixed that.
[21:26] <Artemis3> im on 11 and still crashes
[21:27] <beata1> How frequently? (curious)
[21:27] <Artemis3> sometimes quickly, sometimes after awhile, i think i have some corrupted or missing libraries here, the upgrade to 12.04 a bit bumpy to say the least
[21:28] <Seven_Six_Two> youtube works...webgl demos work.
[21:29] <Seven_Six_Two> 100/100 on acid3 tests
[21:29] <Artemis3> must be my unlucky day...
[21:29] <Seven_Six_Two> is it possible that you are using an extension or plugin that wasn't upgraded?
[21:30] <Artemis3> lets try safe-mode a little more
[21:31] <Seven_Six_Two> have you removed all extensions from your .mozilla folder?
[21:35] <Artemis3> got another crash after switching tabs
[21:35] <Seven_Six_Two> is it just segfaulting?
[21:35] <Artemis3> i can try a new profile
[21:36] <Artemis3> yes it crashes and shows the tell mozilla about it window, console shows Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe. 0x00007ffff76c82cc in send () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 if invoked with -g
[21:39] <esmirlin> hy guys do you know how can i change the personal folder in unity launcher to open /dev/sda4/Datos instead of /home/me
[21:39] <esmirlin> ?
[21:40] <tomodachi> why dont you symlink your homefolder to that folder?
[21:40] <esmirlin> tomodachi: how could i do it?
[21:40] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, do you get a message about libc being held back if you try to upgrade? I got some messages about services that had to be stopped before libc would update. pthread iirc is part of libs
[21:40] <Seven_Six_Two> libc
[21:41] <tomodachi> esmirlin: i presume what you want is to have your home folder on some other hardrive?
[21:42] <Seven_Six_Two> esmirlin, why don't you mount /dev/sda4/ to /home
[21:42] <tomodachi> ln -s /path/totTheSource /home/yourname
[21:42] <esmirlin> tomodachi: i would like to, but this hardrive is for a ntfs partition
[21:42] <Artemis3> well apt-get doesn't show anything special, i have restarted a couple of times too... hmm i tried reinstalling libc and libpthread already
[21:42] <tomodachi> esmirlin: then follow the trick above
[21:42] <tomodachi> and mount it
[21:43] <Artemis3> maybe i missed reinstalling something else
[21:43] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, is your libc version 2.15-0ubuntu6
[21:44] <Artemis3> 2.15-0ubuntu6
[21:44] <Artemis3> yes
[21:45] <Artemis3> firefox  11.0+build1-0ubuntu1
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, are your libc debug symbols installed?
[21:46] <Artemis3> should they, or should they not? lets see
[21:46] <jtaylor> you're looking for a bug in libc? oO
[21:46] <esmirlin> tomodachi: and then i get /media/sda4 as my home folder?
[21:46] <jtaylor> those are rare
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, and your firefox debug symbols
[21:46] <tomodachi> esmirlin: yes
[21:47] <jtaylor> more likely its a bug in a higher level library passing libc bad data
[21:47] <Artemis3> libc6-dbg is not
[21:47] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, Artemis3 is getting firefox crashes that are reporting SIGPIPE from libpthread
[21:47] <Artemis3> will install if needed
[21:47] <Artemis3> i have firefox-dbg installed
[21:48] <jtaylor> then you should look for the cause of the broken pipe, don't start at libc
[21:48] <Artemis3> ok ok
[21:48] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, I'm not a libc developer, so I thought I would be thorough. I was going to suggest using apport
[21:49] <jtaylor> apport will retrace crashes with all debug symbols after report
[21:49] <Seven_Six_Two> which is only really useful with debug symbols. Since I don't know where the bug is, I figured better safe than sorry.
[21:49] <Artemis3> its installed anyway
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, if you're familiar with apport, can you suggest the command to use? is it just apport firefox
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> or apport-collect firefox
[21:51] <jtaylor> normally on a crash apport should pop up from itself
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> but does that give you the opportunity to take a look, or only to submit
[21:52] <jtaylor> if you want to debug yourself you better use gdb
[21:52] <jtaylor> gdb /usr/bin/firefox; run; bt
[21:52] <Artemis3> ok, want me to paste that stuff in pastebin?
[21:52] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, right. it's not my crash though, and that's not an easy or quick process. I was hoping Artemis3 could just pastebin a crash report for me.
[21:54] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, it's worth a shot, I guess. I like that apport gives other information about the environment at the same time
[21:56] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/QDPeDd5x
[22:04] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, can you install libgtk debug symbols too
[22:04] <Artemis3> sure
[22:06] <Seven_Six_Two> jtaylor, I don't remember...does gtk list stack top down?
[22:06] <Seven_Six_Two> sorry...does dbg list stack top-down
[22:07] <jtaylor> I don't understand
[22:08] <Seven_Six_Two> lol. error again. I meant gdb not dbg
[22:09] <Seven_Six_Two> when running firefox with dbg and it lists a trace, is the first listing the top of the stack
[22:09] <jtaylor> the top is the last frame it was in before the signal
[22:09] <Seven_Six_Two> ok thanks
[22:10] <jtaylor> 0 is the point of the sigsev, 88 the top most entry point (the main function in this case)
[22:11] <Seven_Six_Two> my only experience with dbg is with fairly simple sparc assembler routines
[22:11] <Seven_Six_Two> and it's been a while
[22:11] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/PVSksMbR
[22:15] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3,  can you tell me the output of  ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu | grep libgio-2.0.so.0
[22:16] <Seven_Six_Two> or at least confirm that it is linking to libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0
[22:16] <Seven_Six_Two> and that libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0 is there
[22:16] <nixternal> LibreOffice Writer - can anyone add & modify form controls at all?
[22:17] <Artemis3> seems so: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 mar 20 07:05 libgio-2.0.so.0 -> libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1418176 mar 20 07:05 libgio-2.0.so.0.3122.0
[22:17] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, ok, so I
[22:18] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm sorry I asked you to install the wrong dbg package, libgio is part of libglib not libgtk
[22:18] <Artemis3> its ok
[22:18] <Artemis3> ill install it :)
[22:22] <Artemis3> Seven_Six_Two, http://pastebin.com/Zqyvy8Na
[22:25] <nixternal> bug 964838 - if you try what i asked above and it doesn't work, i filed a report on it    <- try those steps listed in the bug if you would please and respond as needed. thanks
[22:26] <tpace> Hi, I just upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04 Beta 1. However, when I log in all I see is my desktop background. None of the Unity interface loads. Any ideas?
[22:26] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, nvidia card?
[22:26] <tpace> nope intel chipset
[22:27] <seven1> anyone with a laptop with pangolin in here?
[22:27] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, can you do a complete removal of firefox (purge), then make sure the .mozilla folder in your home is gone, as well as any files that might have characters that don't display properly, then reinstall ff
[22:28] <Artemis3> ok will do
[22:28] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, I just had that problem, and all I had to do was install my graphics drivers. Does jockey usually suggest drivers for you?
[22:29] <tpace> How do I run jockey?
[22:29] <mkultra_> alt + f2 gksu gtk-jockey
[22:29] <Seven_Six_Two> tpace, try shutting down and using a different desktop (you may have to hard-reset if you can't ssh in to shut down)
[22:29] <bjsnider> he doesn't need jockey if he has intel graphics
[22:29] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, no? ok, I wasn't sure.
[22:30] <Seven_Six_Two> I have no experience with intel graphics, but possibly running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  will fix it
[22:30] <mkultra_> gksu jockey-gtk i mean
[22:30] <bjsnider> intel's graphics driver is in the kernel already
[22:31] <tpace> Ok I'll try dpkg reconfigure
[22:32] <bjsnider> that command would add a xorg.conf file, which is not necessary
[22:32] <mkultra_> im cooking steak for din din
[22:32] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, is it not possible that one got added earlier that is now incompatible?
[22:32] <mkultra_> my ubuntu 12.04 runs good right now
[22:33] <bjsnider> earlier than what?
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, earlier than now. something added manually to perhaps deal with dual-head or a special input device not detected by evdev
[22:33] <mkultra_> before i was getting strange crashes, but since the last set of updates my ubuntu runs good
[22:34] <bjsnider> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg for info
[22:34] <Seven_Six_Two> bjsnider, maybe something like nvidia-settings that creates one (although obviously not that if it's intel)
[22:35] <bjsnider> he has bug 963633
[22:36] <bjsnider> it is a unity bug, not a fault with his graphics driver
[22:36] <bjsnider> check that bug for ideas on how to deal with it
[22:36] <Seven_Six_Two> oh. I didn't realize that, because that bug describes exactly what I had. and now it's fine
[22:36] <mkultra_> i installed xfce to avoid that whole nightmare lol
[22:40] <Artemis3> mkultra_, now that you mention, i also have a slight problem with my xfce, but only with my old user, made a new user and it works just fine... just figuring out what to delete from the old user to reset to defaults ;)
[22:40] <tpace> Doing F2 + 'unity --restart' caused the UI to reload, compiz however crashed
[22:41] <mkultra_> Artemis3,  i made up some voodoo codes earlier i bet i could fix you some to fix it
[22:41] <mkultra_> sudo chown -r $USER $HOME/file
[22:42] <mkultra_> sudo chgrp -r $USER $HOME/file
[22:42] <mkultra_> run as the user you want it set to though
[22:44] <Artemis3> would be nice, my old user wont start xfce, well it kinda starts, but the panel keeps flashing and going blank, there is an error about " GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.31.22/./gobject/gvalue.c:185: cannot initialize GValue with type `gint', the value has already been initialized as `gint'" and xfce4-settings-helper-WARNING **: Failed to get the _NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS property."
[22:44] <Artemis3> hmm you think the user and group is messed up? well lets try just in case ;)
[22:46] <Seven_Six_Two> Artemis3, that could be...it's glib again giving you the error
[22:47] <glosoli> Unity 5.10 will make it into Precise Pangolin ?
[22:50] <Daekdroom> glosoli, if not before it's released, it'll be an update.
[22:57] <glosoli> Daekdroom:  any highlights for it I can get somewhere  ?
[23:43] <Dmole> anyone know about a but where you can't see the menu bar? (or if auto hide is off all windows act like max-height:20px;)
[23:43] <Dmole> *bug
[23:43] <boram> borg
[23:45] <Dmole> boram:if you have some Borgs maybe they can fix it for us?
[23:46] <boram> borgs are taking over my ship, help~
[23:48] <Dmole> boram: it's ok just join them
[23:48] <boram> -_-
[23:49] <boram> no, i resist
[23:50] <Dmole> get them to upgrade to 12.04, they will all crash and you can escape before they have time to revert to a working system