=== dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [01:48] hi [01:48] <3 [01:48] nn Jor Jor [01:49] Goodnight daftykins [01:59] I feel a sizeable cup of tea coming on. === sagaci_ is now known as sagaci [06:52] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01f6qpq [06:58] help me choose- ubuntu or mint? i have ubuntu up and running and using it for quite a few days. through wubi ofcourse. But mint looks good. What should i do? [07:00] do whatever you like. [07:07] i got a 10 year old desktop and i was planning to install ubuntu on it. it currently has winxp but works sluggish. will it help to quicken the pc? [07:08] you might need to add some ram [07:08] how much do you have atm? [07:11] martijnvds 512mb [07:11] Yeah that'll work but it won't be fast. Try adding some to get to 1 or 2 GB (if that's possible) [07:12] i wanted to use the current specs only. [07:12] the processor is p4 about 1.6 Ghz [07:13] that should be enough for a working system [07:14] I have a machine with 768M that's quite fast, but if you start more than 2-3 programs it slows down to a crawl because of swapping [07:14] something like that :D Will lubuntu or xubuntu be helpful in this regard? cause i dont like unity and dont plan to use it. is xfce or those others lighter? [07:16] it should be, but it's not as user-friendly [07:17] oh.. and how to run turboc compiler on ubuntu? [07:18] in my school i got that boring compiler for c and c++ programming. So at home also i wanted to use it. Unfortunately there does not seem an easy way [07:19] there's gcc, g++ [07:20] if you install the "build-essential" package, it'll pull those in as a dependency, along with the basic C library headers etc. [07:21] ya i did that. but programming in linux and windows is proving completely different. Also i get some xinitthread() not used error when i run some programs. So all in all its difficult. [07:24] What kind of programs are you trying? [07:25] Are you starting with "Hello world"? Do you have makefiles, etc.? [07:25] The language is the same, but the libraries are mostly different :) [07:28] ya hello world worked all right. i did g++ hello.cpp and then ./a.out. No problems with that. But then for some graphics programs in which i am using the graphics.h header file i get that xinitthread errorss [07:28] "graphics.h"? [07:28] That must be part of some project [07:29] You might want to look at GTK if you want to write GUI programs [07:29] we use the graphics.h header file in turboc. its inbuilt. so i set up the same header file by reading a blog post for that. [07:30] while compiling a program using graphics.h i do the following- g++ a.cpp -lgraph [07:31] but if multiple functions of the graphics header files are used than that errors crops up. [07:41] turboc? [07:41] isnt that somewhat retro these days? [07:41] 'tis [07:42] ahh, india [07:42] it's very 90s if I remember [07:48] martijnvds where can i find the answers? [07:51] meet: are youi running turboc for dos or windows? [07:54] i have not installed it currently. i am trying to use g++ and gcc after editing in gedit. but not able to do it effieciently. [07:55] at school i think its the dos turboc. a bluescreen and dos like feel. Anyway can i use it through wine or dosbox? [07:55] i want to be able to use the clrscr() or getch() fcuntions which i think are windows specific. [07:57] popey what do u suggest? [08:01] meet: you could install FreeDOS and install it under that [08:01] or a lightweight distro light lubuntu [08:05] morning [08:59] http://www.floriskaayk.com/ aww, it was a fake [09:04] I'm amazed anyone thought it was real [09:12] how do connect winxp desktop to ubuntu laptop via network. sry for the vague question [09:19] good morning everyone. [09:40] \o [09:42] o/ [09:44] /o\ [09:47] popey: the final video looked very wrong, but there was a lot of backstory created [09:50] looking at the video again it seems even more wrong [10:36] cool idea of the day, laptop that lets you insert the really thin ubuntu mouse in the side for storage and easy access (c) gord [10:39] gord: http://www.amazon.com/HP-Mogo-Bluetooth-X54-Presenter/dp/B004AMRT62/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_1 [10:40] like that! still (c) gord [11:04] I am having problems with my username, if I stay on one computer its ok, but if I go to another computer and use the same username it won't let me log in and tells me the username is already taken, how can I get around that? [11:06] hank3three3chat: for IRC? not trivially [11:07] HUD for me is really slow, is it just me? [11:07] hank3three3chat: you can only have one user per nickname connected to an IRC server. the workaround is to have that one connected user be a kind of irc proxy server - sometimes called a bouncer - then all your "real" clients connect to the bouncer rather than directly to irc [11:08] e.g. i use bip. so i'm not connected to irc from my house - i'm connected to the work irc proxy server from my house, and i'm running bip on there which connects to networks like freenode [11:08] spych102: i am in unity-2d 5.8 here, and aslong as my machine isnt loaded, it is pretty quick. [11:08] which is why my whois shows pasanda.collabora.co.uk not hostfoobar.btinternet.com [11:08] brobostigon, i might try it in 2d [11:09] unity2d is much faster than unity3d [11:09] and also, doesnt load the graphics as much. [11:10] i thought 3d was accelerated? misnomer? [11:10] it is [11:11] that's just a euphemism for "won't run at all without a 3d card" [11:11] directhex: now you lost me…….I have three computers, each running IRC, depending on what I am doing, depends which computer I am on, but it won't let me swap computers even if I log out of one and log into another……so now I have two usernames, which I don't want, I have no idea what tip or what it does, bit over my head……. [11:12] hank3three3chat: /msg nickserv help ghost [11:13] i have beta 1 installed which i don't think has HUD [11:13] how do i upgrade? [11:13] or is there a ppa to install? [11:14] spych102: if you do a normal upgrade, you should get unity-*d 5.8, which has hud. [11:14] ok, thanks for that [11:14] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [11:16] brobostigon, thanks, i think i did that already but there was a problem and it did a partial upgrade... maybe i should just reinstall? [11:17] spych102: thats sound like there are package problems, could you pastebin the whole output you get, please. [11:18] brobostigon, unity 2d can't find my terminal [11:18] spych102: alt + f2, gnome-terminal, press enter. [11:19] brobostigon, got it, thanks [11:19] :) [11:20] but unity 2d seems to find my media files better :-D [11:21] brb, need coffee, and lunch. [11:22] ubuntu uk mailing list is rather noisy on the weekend [11:22] noisy/busy/talkative [11:26] that's funny, most mailing lists are usually busy during office hours :) [11:31] brobostigon, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 99 not upgraded is the output from my upgrade... and still no HUD...:-[ [11:33] spych102: i am not a good man to help with such package issues, i know very little about them. someone else will have to help. sorry. [11:34] okay [11:35] spych102: is that from an apt-get upgrade ? [11:36] yes from 12.04 beta 1 [11:36] spych102: Tried an apt-get dist-upgrade to see if it will get rid of the 99 stragglers? [11:36] doing it right now.. [11:37] penguin42, it seems to be working, i'll let you know when it's done [11:43] popey: when you plug your iphone/ipad into your ubuntu machines does it charge normally ? [11:51] penguin42, it's all upgraded now and HUD is working, thanks [11:51] spych102: No problem! [11:52] new problem: unity does not find my programs, only media files [11:54] lol, i searched for libreoffice in unity and it played a song with libre in the title [12:43] ahhhahhahahahaha http://imgur.com/gallery/2owN5 [12:43] almost choked on a toast [12:43] czajkowski: yes [12:48] hmm [12:48] popey: thanks [12:49] popey: I wondered as I came across this project https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/191588 [12:49] ipad != iphone [12:50] ipad requires more current to make it charge [12:50] many computers don't deliver enough because the USB spec says they dont have to [12:50] how can that be overcome with software? [12:50] i have no idea [12:50] there must be something more to it [12:51] looks like some devices have configurable current delivery [12:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1504845 [12:51] ali1234: The amount delivered by a port can be determined by the host I think; I know blackberrys didn't charge unless the host did something [12:52] usb devices can have multiple profiles [12:52] actually, I think it's whether the device asks for it [12:52] self powered vs host powered [12:52] it's up to the host to pick the profile... the device can't directly ask for anything, just give options [12:52] so i guess that's what is happening here [12:53] lsusb -vvv if you want to see all that stuff :) [12:57] if you plug in a ipad and run lsusb -vvv -d vendor:product | grep bNumConfigurations [12:57] you might see it has more than 1 [12:57] Good afternoon peeps :) [12:57] o/ all [12:58] What The Font is a good utility. Is there one for free fonts? [12:58] looking at the source, it doesn't work like that. it requires a special command sent to the ipad [12:59] bigcalm_lappy: i use identifont [12:59] but, i don't think it has free fonts either [12:59] but since nobody uses them and they are all terrible anyway... [13:00] I have a netbook, that doesn't have much ram, it works with 11.10 ok, but its very slow and can only tolerate having one program open before it goes slow, just wondered, how do you install xubuntu on it? [13:00] Sod it, this logo will get the Ubuntu Light treatment :D [13:00] what logo? [13:01] also if you dont know the font how do you know it;s free? [13:01] or do you just want the most similar free font? [13:01] also if you have a nice big logo, just trace it and then clean it up [13:50] ali1234: reproducing the logo with a similar font was the idea. Have decided to use Ubuntu Light and it fits quite nicely. I'm not being paid to do this, so less work is better [15:05] quiet in here today ☺ [15:05] i might spark the bbq up again later [15:05] :) [15:05] BBQitis ;) [15:06] well I bought 8 burgers, 8 sausages, 8 chicken kebabs.. we ate half of it all yesterday [15:06] could freeze them I guess, get them out again next weekend [15:06] refreeze or just freeze? [15:06] I want to go outside and do stuff [15:06] refrozen meat = yuk [15:06] but I've been out all afternoon and am now too hot [15:07] gordonjcp: I did a 1-hour run in the sun today. I'm a bit red :) [15:07] MartijnVdS: I've been outside, starting stuff [15:07] gordonjcp: in the 'hood? [15:07] I could sit inside and have some tea for an hour, while the Citroën charges up [15:07] MartijnVdS: its not frozen [15:07] so freeze [15:07] popey: Nah, BBQ is good for you :) [15:08] I could then start that [15:08] the burgers came frozen, so they're in the freezer [15:08] I need to split up the 1.5kg of mince I bought yesterday [15:08] gordonjcp: Citroen charges up? You have an electric Citroen? [15:08] MartijnVdS: no, just the battery for starting it [15:09] gordonjcp: ah :) [15:09] I haven't driven it for about a year and now it's run out of electricity [15:09] They do that.. [15:09] annoyingly it's nose-in [15:09] so I can't even get the van round to jump start it [15:10] I tried charging it from the genny but it's drawing too much current and trips it out [15:10] So now you're on an exercise bicycle, charging the battery? ;) [15:10] no, I'm sitting inside out of the sun drinking tea and looking for a battery charger [15:11] and contemplating getting a motorbike licence [15:11] mid-life crisis time ;) [15:12] petrol price crisis time [15:12] much as I love driving around in the CX, at 32mpg it's a bit heavy for day-to-day use [15:13] ah, my Smart does ~45ish [15:13] I have a diesel van but it's thirsty as hell [15:14] I specced a Citroën Dispatch with the 2-litre engine and 6-speed box, but the company bought the 1.6 with 5-speed box [15:14] \o/ Smart, except it's tiny [15:14] because it was cheaper and "the smaller engine would be better on fuel" [15:14] yeah [15:14] unless you drive long distances [15:14] and people on motorways will just "forget" you're there [15:14] like, um, me [15:14] so in day-to-day use it gets about 30mph, dropping to 25 on the motorway [15:15] But if the company bought the van, don't they also pay for fuel? [15:15] they do, but I tend not to take the piss if I'm doing personal miles in it [15:16] ah, understandable [15:16] so I'm thinking about putting it back to being a pool vehicle and not paying company car taxes [15:17] I seldom go to (or from) work by car. \o/ proper train service [15:17] heh [15:17] yeah, I get that a lot [15:17] "ZOMG you shouldn't drive around use public transport" [15:17] righto [15:17] Doesn't work for all kinds of work though, I agree [15:17] will do, how do you fancy coming with me to carry the 700kg of test equipment? [15:19] 700kg? are you testing elephants? [15:19] ali1234: I have literally a vanload of test gear, tools and spares [15:19] at the moment it's mostly empty [15:20] next week I have to pretty much decant half the workshop into my van [15:20] gordonjcp: put a wifi access point in it, "Police Surveillance Van #432" [15:20] (SSID) [15:20] heh [15:20] MartijnVdS: I told you about the "secret CCTV spy vans"? [15:21] gordonjcp: TV Licence Check Van [15:21] MartijnVdS: the local council have some security guys [15:22] they do stuff like drive around council housing estates, direct traffic at football matches, things like that [15:22] stuff that it would be a waste of time for the police to do [15:22] I know the kind. [15:23] so the Daily Record published a story ranting about how the council were deploying "SECRET SPY CCTV VANS" to spy on football fans and what a disgrace it was [15:23] a month or so later [15:24] the Daily Record published a story saying that the council had deployed a "State-of-the-Art Covert Surveillance Vehicle" to monitor the Occupy protestors in Blythswood Square [15:24] gordonjcp: A white van? [15:24] mostly [15:24] let me just find a pic [15:24] https://picasaweb.google.com/109321528270428317785/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCMTP3aG7y4SfjwE&feat=directlink#5682689893956175202 [15:25] if it wasn't for the snow you'd see the words "CCTV VEHICLE" across the roof above the windscreen [15:25] If that's state of the art and secret/covert.. [15:25] they're not even trying [15:25] it's very advanced [15:25] it has two 3G modems, a kettle and a microwave [15:25] _2_ 3G modems. In case one of the networks flakes out? [15:26] well one is for internet access, one is for the IP cameras [15:26] it's pretty cool, they can route video from moving vans to and from the control room [15:26] and out to their bus in the picture [15:26] that's cool [15:26] yeah, saves a lot of time [15:26] "Right, it's that guy with the blue jacket" [15:26] "Most of them have blue jackets" [15:26] but it's not quite secret, with the reflecting line on it and all [15:27] "Well the guy with the blue jacket and the - aw, fuck it, *that* guy..." [15:27] well yeah, tbh it wouldn't be my first choice as a covert surveillance vehicle [15:27] I'd go for a rusty white transit [15:28] maybe red, with shinier bits where the Post Office vinyl-cut has been removed [15:28] "FREE CANDY" written on the side [15:29] I've seen the inside of one of those TV "mobile reporting" vans (with the satellite dish on top) once. They have LOTS of VERY cool gear. [15:29] MartijnVdS: yeah, I know a guy who drives one [15:29] nice stuff [15:29] when he's bored he uses the link dish and spectrum analyser as a radio telescope ;-) [15:30] 8-) [15:30] * MartijnVdS hates gnome-dvb-daemon a bit more [15:31] they've finally fixed the driver for my satellite card [15:31] I keep meaning to ask the guy at work for a tour of our one [15:31] now the userspace software is annoying :) [15:32] why would you even use that? [15:32] use mythtv [15:34] ali1234: Doesn't that require my machine to be a dedicated MythTV thing? [15:35] ali1234: I just want a window with a video stream.. [15:35] you need to install mythbackend [15:35] so yes, in the sense that your machine is currently a dedicated dbus server and X server [15:35] ali1234: Backend, that's not frontend. [15:36] yes you need to install mythfrontend too [15:36] * MartijnVdS tries [15:36] MYSQL-SERVER?! [15:37] yeah so what? [15:37] (a) it' [15:37] s mysql [15:37] it's better than couchdb [15:37] ali1234: sqlite++ [15:37] sqlite is slooooooooooooooooooow [15:37] damning with feint praise there ali1234 ☺ [15:37] now it's asking me for a mysql root pw [15:37] ಠ_ಠ [15:38] popey: maybe, but nobody blinks if you ask them to install couchdb just to be able to tweet some lolcats or something [15:39] i can understand why twitter needs a database to run their website, i can't understand why gwibber needs one [15:39] gwibber didn't use couchdb in anything like a sensible way === IdleOne is now known as pangolin [15:39] afaict couchdb is designed only to be used in non-sensible ways [15:41] thunderbird reckons I received 5869 new messages there [15:41] no, I didn't [15:44] couchdb didn't turn out how I expected it to [15:44] gwibber and Ubuntu One used it in such strange ways I am not surprised that neither of them worked out [15:46] the way they were doing it was kind of like storing a novel in an ext4 directory as millions of zero byte files with the content in the filenames and ls of the directory to read the file [15:47] hmmmmm how do i figure out what order css directives get applied in? [15:49] ali1234: the algorithm is sadly quite complex [15:49] so i;ve got two directives [15:49] ali1234: though Firebug in Firefox/Chrome's developer tools/Chromium's equivalent give you enough of an idea [15:49] #widgets li {...} and li.myclass {...} [15:50] and the former overrides the latter [15:50] yes, due to specificity [15:50] identifying something by an ID is more specific than by a class [15:50] ironcially, the former applies to a lot more things than the latter [15:51] #widgets ul {...} means all

would making the latter '#widgets li.myclass' break other things? [15:51] yes [15:51] ok so i just need to do my custom CSS the same way then [15:52] er, what you said shouldn't break anything [15:53] it might break my plugin from working with other themes actually [15:53] i don't think wordpress ever sets IDs, it sets classes on everything [15:53] Oh, WP [15:53] yeah so basically i'm making a wordpress plugin and i want it to work with any theme [15:54] but it needs custom CSS to do what it does [15:54] ah yes [15:54] a reasonable request [15:54] so i need to say "ignore the theme, do this" [15:55] i will just set by hand IDs on the widget html [15:55] actually that won't work because it's the

i need to override [15:55] and there's obviously more than one of those [15:56] ah but i can do exactly what theyve done... ok [15:56] * mgdm plays CSS Suxx [15:56] or I would, if spotify hadn't removed it [15:57] grrr [16:00] well that didn't work [16:01] and also it broke all the existing styling [16:06] ah ! important [16:06] seems to be what i need [16:07] oh hang on, they have to be otherwise equal [16:07] aaaaah. i get it now [16:07] that's stupid :( [16:08] but i can fix it === tubadaz__ is now known as tubadaz [16:09] argh now it doesn't work at all [16:11] i need to insert an extra div to hold all my elements, just so that i can have an extra element selector in the rule, so that it will be "more specific" [16:17] yes [16:17] it sucks [16:18] also, !important is hilarious - to anyone with even half a coding brain, it looks like "not important" [16:18] they should have made it imporant!!!! [16:18] where more ! wine [16:18] *wins [16:18] hehe [16:18] more wine? [16:18] then it would have actually been useful [16:18] ! is a bottle in nethack :) [16:18] MartijnVdS: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [16:18] because the chances of two ules being "otherwise equal" is virtual zero anyway [16:21] wait hang on [16:21] Tis lovely out thre [16:23] MKU.x123 [16:25] Afternoon [16:30] display:inline-block; [16:30] why have i never seen that before? [16:34] because you value your sanity? [16:34] "and i thought php coding was bad" [16:56] o/ [16:57] Having installed 12.04 beta1... will the updates automatically take me the equivalent of beta2 & final release? [16:57] yeh [16:58] Thanks penguin42 - I'm sure it's been asked 100's of times b4 - forgive my ignorance pretty please [16:58] SuperEngineer: You occasionally get a few corners that aren't quite tidied up, but it normally does [17:00] Do I need to change update sources come final release [to align with actual Precise release? [17:00] no. [17:00] weee! thanks a mil [17:18] SuperEngineer I had to dist-upgrade to update all my packages [17:22] spych102: woops! [that is what I suspected, tho - that or realligning software sources] [17:23] i'm not sure that's the way it's supposed to work though... [17:23] ...although that does conflict with brobostigon 's statement [17:23] you're always spposed to dist-upgrade on ubuntu [17:24] you don't have to edit sources.list [17:24] thanks ali1234 [17:24] thanks ali1234 [17:24] apt-get dist-upgrade is like apt-get upgrade except it can remove packages [17:25] dist-upgrade isn't actually a distribution upgrade [17:26] not true. the always dist-upgrade. [17:26] upgrade is the correct usual case. [17:27] oh there's a factoid [17:27] !dist-upgrade [17:27] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [17:27] so what is used to upgrade between distributions then [17:27] spych102: do-release-upgrade [17:27] sudo do-release-upgrade [17:27] !upgrade [17:27] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade [17:27] hmm that's not really very explanatory [17:27] there was a recent case where a dist-upgrade would have removed ubuntu-desktop, unity and most of compiz. [17:28] even from the beta installs? [17:28] so for unstable systems, dist-upgrade can be a killer ;-) [17:28] well, everything can [17:28] i know so little after so many years with ubuntu... [17:28] that's why they're described as 'unstable' [17:28] upgrade would hold the packages that try to remove stuff instead :-P [17:28] just saying [17:29] yeah, i am more careful about dist-upgrading within a dev release [17:29] archive skew can end up with unity/compiz getting removed [17:29] my standard command is sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -dy dist-upgrade [17:29] -dy = download only, answer yes [17:30] that shows me what the system wants to do, AND grab all the things it might want to do ;-) [17:30] then how do you apply the updates? [17:30] depends on the updates. [17:31] either apt-get install , apt-get install upgrade or apt-get install dist-upgrade [17:31] OR I just use the nice graphical update-manager ;-) [17:31] with fewer installs in those lines [17:31] on servers I tend to use either apt-get install for just a few packages, or go aptitude if it's more. [17:32] oh. quite right popey ;-) [17:32] either apt-get install , apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade [17:32] there! [17:32] i think i'd rather chance it and reinstall [17:32] chance what? [17:33] chance loosing things :-P [17:33] oh [17:33] removing the desktop, unity and compiz [17:33] it wont if you read what it says on the screen [17:33] i never do that [17:33] and if you "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" it definitely wont [17:33] reinstall is a hell of a lot more drastic. that would clear all files you have :-P [17:33] but i have a separate /home [17:34] unencrypted? ;-) [17:34] ☹ people dont do upgrades [17:34] they thus aren't testing them [17:34] so dont file bugs [17:34] so they never get fixed [17:34]