[05:03] does anyone have evo3.4 build for precise ? [05:14] ritz: Does the GNOME3 PPA not contain it? [05:19] TheMuso, nope, 3.2 afaik [05:19] ok. [05:39] Good morning [05:42] good morning pitti [05:42] I was wondering if the euro-destkoppers would be a bit lagged this morning [05:43] pitti: your good mornings are very good at telling me I'm up way too late and need to go to sleep. good morning to you though! :) [05:43] Sarvatt: heh, then good night :) [05:44] * rickspencer3 roboots to try latest beta 2 [05:45] uhoh, hope he doesn't hit the unity fail from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/963633 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/963093 :) [05:45] Launchpad bug 963633 in unity "Unity 5.8: Login to blank screen (all black or just wallpaper)" [Critical,In progress] [05:47] Yeah, I wonder what's actually causing that. [05:48] its only hitting upgraders, fresh installs are fine [05:48] aka smells like a compiz config change [05:49] oh, guess he doesn't hit it either just like my machines :) [05:51] Yeah, and unity --reset *did* end up fixing it for me. [05:51] good morning RAOF [05:51] rickspencer3: Good morning! [05:52] and good evening Sarvatt :) [05:52] Does anyone know how to connect that fancy new “Management Service” capplet up to my actual Landscape instance? :) [05:53] aaah, I can't drag windows with my track pad now! [05:53] Three finger drag? [05:53] RAOF: it works here? [05:54] When did that work?! [05:54] oh shucks, I can't drag anything [05:54] RAOF: the capplet forces a new connection though [05:54] aka uses up another one of your 5 [05:54] unless you disable the old one [05:54] Sarvatt: And, just to be clear, it's your Launchpad account that you want to log in to there, right? I wonder if it doesn't handle the 2-factor auth that's set up. [05:55] RAOF: yup, and im using 2 factor too [05:55] i had to delete my old setup on landscape and use the new one [05:56] the applet *only* seems to create new associations [05:56] Aaah. It's after LP username rather than email. [05:57] RAOF: ever had landscape set up before? [05:57] Sarvatt: Yeah, but ages ago. [06:02] hey RAOF can you let me know if I should add anything to bug #965003 [06:02] ? [06:02] Launchpad bug 965003 in xorg "dell mini 10v touchpad dragging stopped working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965003 [06:05] cnd: ^^ isnt that the same machine you have that you did the clickpad stuff for? [06:06] rickspencer3: Urgh, clickpad stuff? I thought we'd ironed out the defaults there :/ [06:06] rickspencer3: I don't think there's anything more you need to add there. [06:07] RAOF, well, this one doesn't have a separate button [06:07] I wonder if it forgot to not consider the bottom of the trackpad as a place to control the mouse? [06:09] Boo. Launchpad, why do you deny me Rick's xinput.txt‽ [06:11] RAOF, anything I can do to help? [06:12] rickspencer3: I don't think so. [06:12] Sarvatt just sneakily moved the bug to synaptics, which was what was breaking Launchpad for me :) [06:14] well its a synaptics bug, semantics on how clickpads work have totally changed in 12.04 in the name of the greater good and the mini 10v trackpads were "special" and unique in their quirkiness [06:15] (sorry) [06:15] Hm. You know what might be useful? To have xinput prop results attached to apport. [06:17] RAOF, can I generate such an attachment for you? [06:17] those things had a special version of clickpads not used on anything else with a different button arrangement afaik [06:18] rickspencer3: You could attach the output of “xinput list-props 11” [06:20] good morning [06:20] Hey didrocks [06:20] how are you RAOF? [06:20] Stupid sky, getting dark at 5:20. What does it think it is, autumn? [06:21] didrocks: Hey, pretty good. Yourself?L [06:21] RAOF: rainy/cloudy day or dailylight saving change? :) [06:21] RAOF: I'm fine, thanks! [06:21] Cloudy day; daylight savings won't end for another couple of weeks(?). [06:22] ok ;) [06:22] But it's also getting dark earlier, obviously. [06:23] just go the contrary with dailylight saving this week-end here [06:23] at least, it's getting dark now at 8 PM ;) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:38] bonjour didrocks [06:38] didrocks: congrats for landing unity safely! [06:39] pitti: thanks ;) everything went smoothly! [06:39] I'll just need to properly hack the script to push to the release pocket instead of trying to -updates [06:39] how was your week-end pitti? [06:39] apart from some teddy bear experiment? ;) [06:40] didrocks: You're aware of some of the unity upgrade bugs we've been running into, right? [06:40] RAOF: the crash on startup for some people? [06:40] didrocks: quite nice indeed; it was nice and sunny, we played some table tennis and some board game (we had a guest until yesterday) [06:41] didrocks: how was your's? [06:41] didrocks: I'm not sure if that's the one; the one where you get just the desktop without any windows. Compiz hasn't crashed, but it's not drawing anything either. [06:41] pitti: was nice as well, we want to a wine bar where Julie may expose her paintings [06:41] yeah that and the corruption from 963093, majority of the X bugs over the weekend have been that or 963633 [06:41] RAOF: right, it's linked to the issue I linked on my bug and the corruption we saw on Friday [06:42] RAOF: we discussed it extensively, duflu is looking at it [06:42] didrocks: Cool. Just checking :) [06:42] RAOF: if you have any more info for him, please ping him [06:57] rickspencer3, I have the same trackpad here, though it's the next newer model of netbook, a dell mini 1012 [06:57] I don't have any issues clicking and dragging [07:53] Is it just me or resize handles for windows are 1px wide again? :/ [07:53] didrocks: seems we got bug 963633 targetted at b2. is that realistic after all? [07:53] Launchpad bug 963633 in unity "Unity 5.8: Login to blank screen (all black or just wallpaper)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963633 [07:54] pitti: we have people working on it, but still no clue for it [07:54] didrocks: i. e. I'd like to keep it at b2 for now, but if we don't get a fix today, it'll be post-b2 [07:54] pitti: it's only on upgrade [07:54] pitti: so shouldn't impact new installs [07:54] oh, curious [07:54] pitti: yeah, seems to be the plugin list order [07:54] pitti: it's part of the issue we look since thursday [07:54] that and corruption [07:54] thhanks [07:55] yw ;) [08:02] hey [09:07] anything massively broken right now? unity session doesnt start for me anymore :) .. have to use unity2d to get any launcher [09:10] asac: some people are getting this issue, there is a quick workaround which seems to work for 90% of people getting it [09:10] asac: can you try something before? [09:10] asac, bug 963633 [09:10] Launchpad bug 963633 in unity "Unity 5.8: Login to blank screen (all black or just wallpaper)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/963633 [09:11] gconftool-2 -g /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins [09:11] copy the output somewhere [09:11] then gconftool-2 -u /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins [09:11] and reboot [09:11] Unity failed to start for me on 3 systems I upgraded to 5.8 [09:12] didrocks: sure [09:12] what should i do? [09:12] asac: just the above with gconftool-2 ^ [09:12] ah :) [09:12] blind [09:12] jibel: ok, we need to test the ppa I guess, we got only 2 machines getting that in the test :) [09:13] ok rebooting [09:13] guess re-login? [09:14] didrocks, you should wonder how people test then, because this failure seems pretty popular amongst upgraders. [09:15] jibel: we had more than 30 test results [09:15] jibel: without counting the unity dev, which should bump the number to 50 machines [09:15] didrocks: i didtn reboot, but re-login under unity [09:15] didrocks, and I upgraded 4 systems and got it on 3 :/ [09:15] didnt work [09:15] jibel, no such issue there [09:15] at least nautilus started [09:15] but no launcher etc. [09:15] so yeah ... still busted [09:15] asac: hum, ok, please copy ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1 [09:15] seb128, you're in the 1/4 bucket ;) [09:16] didrocks: where? do you want to see it? [09:16] asac: just tar it somewhere for now [09:16] asac: then, try to reset all gconf keys [09:16] for compiz [09:16] gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1 [09:17] jibel: well, look at the omgubuntu comments, almost nobody reported an issue after upgrade when I look at sunday (on more than 50 comments) [09:17] didrocks: and then re-login? [09:17] or anything else [09:17] ? [09:17] yeah, relogin :) [09:18] please [09:19] pitti, hey [09:19] no luck [09:19] still nautilus alone [09:19] ok… hum [09:19] so you can try [09:19] unity --reset [09:19] i think you guys screwed it :) [09:19] hehe [09:20] didrocks: in which state should i run that? now while i am in unity2d? [09:20] asac: well, we spent 2 full days over it, a lot of people upgraded without any issue, but we still don't know the source :) [09:20] asac: yeah, that should launch unity on top of -2d :) [09:20] but then, you can logout [09:20] and login [09:20] kk [09:20] dholbach: can you start ccsm? [09:21] dholbach: I mean, go to the unity-2d session [09:21] starts ccsm [09:21] ensure that in preferences you have the unity profile enabled [09:21] sorry have to paste here [09:21] lost everything [09:21] :) [09:21] unity-panel-service: no process found [09:21] Checking if settings need to be migrated ...no [09:21] Checking if internal files need to be migrated ...no [09:21] Backend : gconf [09:21] Integration : true [09:21] Profile : unity [09:21] Adding plugins [09:21] Initializing core options...done [09:21] Initializing composite options...done [09:21] Initializing opengl options...done [09:21] Initializing decor options...done [09:21] Initializing vpswitch options...done [09:21] Initializing snap options...done [09:21] Initializing mousepoll options...done [09:21] Initializing resize options...done [09:21] Initializing place options...done [09:21] Initializing move options...done [09:22] Initializing wall options...done [09:22] Initializing grid options...done [09:22] Initializing session options...done [09:22] Initializing gnomecompat options...done [09:22] Initializing animation options...done [09:22] Initializing fade options...done [09:22] asac, learn about http://paste.ubuntu.com [09:22] Initializing unitymtgrabhandles options...done [09:22] Initializing workarounds options...done [09:22] Initializing scale options...done [09:22] compiz (expo) - Warn: failed to bind image to texture [09:22] Initializing expo options...done [09:22] Initializing ezoom options...done [09:22] Screen geometry changed: 0x0x1920x1080 [09:22] ERROR 2012-03-26 11:20:47 unity.bghash BGHash.cpp:538 could not open file (/home/asac/.cache/unity/bgcachefile): Failed to open file '/home/asac/.cache/unity/bgcachefile': No such file or directory [09:22] error subscribing to gestures [09:22] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [09:22] didrocksjust retry? [09:22] guess this might be one cause of it [09:22] seb128: as i said [09:22] i lost everything [09:22] asac, ok, I read it after that ;-) [09:22] ah segfault :) [09:23] you have the core dump somewhere? [09:23] didrocks, congrats on what seems to be a very good Unity for beta 2 [09:23] rickspencer3: telling that just after people pestering about a hang at startup? bad timing ;) [09:23] oopos [09:23] lol [09:24] i have no unity basically :( [09:24] :) [09:24] sorry didrocks [09:24] didrocks: i have a compiz crash [09:24] didrocks, what do you want me to do in unity2-d with ccsm? [09:24] didrocks: do you want that? [09:24] rickspencer3: no worry ;) still apreciated [09:24] asac: yes please ;) (not sure if it's linked, but still can be handful) [09:24] asac: then, try unity --reset [09:25] let me run apport [09:25] dholbach: so, once you ensured that you are on the unity profile [09:25] hmmm, since last week, lots of people are complaining that firefox is going unresponsive for 10-15 seconds every time it comes in to focus [09:25] who broke it? [09:25] this isn't the HUD menu mining stuff is it? ;) [09:26] chrisccoulson, would it take 15 seconds for firefox to populate its menus? [09:26] dholbach: look for the unitymtgrabhandles [09:26] chrisccoulson, is that precise specific? [09:26] dholbach: do you have it enabled? [09:26] (any of the option) [09:26] hum, let me see if I can find it [09:26] seb128, if people have large bookmark menus, then it wouldn't surprise me [09:26] "Unity MT Grab Handles" should be the plugin name [09:27] the performance of dbusmenu for large menus is pretty bad, which is why google disabled bookmarks entirely for chrome [09:27] didrocks, yes, enabled [09:27] (as people were seeing a minute or so of CPU just to send the menus over the bus) [09:27] dholbach: can you disable the options, like "Toggle handles" "Show Handles", "Hide Handles" [09:27] ? [09:27] dholbach: the plugin can be activated still [09:27] didrocks, that's the case [09:27] all disabled, plugin activated [09:27] ah, so not that [09:28] chrisccoulson, well, would firefox hang for 15 seconds with appmenu when you would try to open a menu before? [09:28] chrisccoulson, are all those users on precise? [09:29] didrocks: still crashes [09:29] seb128, yeah, we've had complaints of firefox hanging for several seconds when opening the bookmarks menu. but now it seems to be every time the window is focused [09:29] seb128, yeah, on precise [09:29] cannot get you the bug id until i have window decorations :) [09:29] chrisccoulson, so yeah it's likely the hud [09:29] asac: I don't get about the crash though [09:29] asac: run metacity --replace [09:29] yeah [09:29] asac: and please point me to it :) [09:29] thats what i was suggesting to my self [09:29] heh [09:30] the service hud part, right? [09:30] seb128, bug 965073, bug 964584 and bug 931004 :( [09:30] Launchpad bug 965073 in firefox "firefox is unresponsive for the first 10-15 seconds after it gains focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965073 [09:30] Launchpad bug 964584 in firefox "Firefox hangs temporarily everytimes it receives the focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/964584 [09:30] Launchpad bug 931004 in firefox "Frequent multi-second UI freezes with 11.0~b1+build1-0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931004 [09:30] didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/965089 [09:30] asac: Error: bug 965089 not found [09:30] * didrocks looks [09:30] chrisccoulson, do you have any suggestion on how to fix that? [09:30] duflu: alan_g: hopefully, this crash will help us [09:30] didrocks: brb [09:30] but I'm unsure [09:31] have to get some coffee :) [09:31] thanks asac [09:31] didrocks: I can't see anything. Is it a private bug? [09:31] seb128, not sure. the real issue is bug 801699 [09:31] Launchpad bug 801699 in dbusmenu "DBus menu is very slow when using large menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801699 [09:31] asac: let's wait for it to be retraced [09:31] duflu: it's private and not yet retraced [09:31] didrocks, let me see if I can poke the retracers [09:31] thanks seb128 ;) [09:32] evan actually reported that dbusmenu was causing chrome to take minutes to start up for people with large bookmarks menus [09:32] which is pretty bad perf ;) [09:32] dholbach: can you keep this box hanging please? (I mean, don't run unity --reset please :p) [09:32] but the underlying performance issues in dbusmenu have never been resolved :( [09:32] didrocks, for my own account unity works now [09:32] dholbach: hum, what did you change? [09:32] didrocks, when my girlfriend comes back I'll talk to her and try it out with her login [09:32] the issue was on another account? [09:32] ah [09:32] seb128: eh @ bug 960919 . [09:33] Launchpad bug 960919 in unity "Show OSD notification when device is safe to remove" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/960919 [09:33] seb128: our own design team requested it to not be a bubble back then.. [09:33] didrocks, I had it too, but when I reset the active plugins key and started ccsm and restarted the session it worked again [09:33] no idea :-/ [09:33] dholbach: oh, I understood the contrary? [09:33] didrocks, I saved .xsession-errors and .gconf on a broken system. [09:33] weird that it didn't work on asac's machine [09:33] didrocks, if I run unity --reset that fix the compiz startup bug [09:34] pitti, well I assume a dnd to the bin is a less obvious action so unity tells you what happened [09:34] seems there are multiple issues [09:34] jibel: did you save you ~/.gconf/apps/compiz-1? [09:34] your* [09:34] didrocks, if I copy the previous config it fails to start [09:34] ah [09:34] first one in that case :) [09:34] didrocks, yep, I save ~/.gconf [09:34] pitti, in any case, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/manual-tests/EjectNotificationIcon.txt [09:34] \o/ [09:34] jibel: can you try to reset only the list of active plugins? [09:34] seb128: but still, if the sync takes longer than 2 seconds or so, there still needs to be a progress bar to prevent you from removing it [09:34] jibel: it's under /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/active_plugins [09:35] seb128: ah, so that's after the progress dialog [09:35] pitti, well unity is not blocking that, it's just sending a libnotify message on dnd to the bin [09:35] seb128: hmkay; thanks for adjusting the bug! [09:35] pitti, yw! [09:35] (consistency FTW!) [09:35] pitti, hey btw, had a good w.e? ;-) [09:36] seb128: oh indeed! table tennis, ice cream, some board games, some gardening [09:36] IOW: spring time!! [09:36] indeed! [09:36] seb128: how was your's? [09:36] quite good [09:36] spent the afternoon reading in the sun yesterday [09:36] didrocks, no effect. compiz doesn't start. do you want the content of ~/.xsession-errors ? [09:36] went running as well [09:36] jibel: can still be helpful (but not sure, we got some) [09:37] mvo: guten Morgen, wie gehts? [09:37] jibel: can you try to revert the configuration plugin after plugin? [09:37] jibel: like gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1/plugins/animation [09:37] pitti, so, beta2...how realistic is it to do translation update upload for GNOME 3.4 today? [09:37] and restart [09:38] jibel: maybe start by unitymtgrabhandle and unityshell [09:38] I know it's quite tedious, sorry :/ [09:38] seb128: they will be stripped and we can't get a new set of langpacks for b2 [09:38] seb128: so would that actually help much? [09:38] seb128: today is still time, we just don't have any margin for error [09:38] didrocks: is it not possible to get a trace of the startup crash ? === smspilla1 is now known as smspillaz [09:39] seb128: so I'd consider an upload to fix a critical bug, but not sure how useful upstream translation updates are at that point [09:39] surely we can replace /usr/bin/compiz with a script that runs it through gdb in screen [09:39] pitti, can we use proposed? [09:39] pitti, so we can stack stuff there and they are visible :p [09:39] smspillaz: which startup crash? There is no crash (apart from latest asac's new), a hang [09:39] seb128: sure [09:39] smspillaz: that's still what we are tracking since Thursday [09:39] pitti, well I would just like to get 3.4 updates rolling rather than stacked for friday [09:39] didrocks: oh, didn't we establish that it was being respawned ? [09:39] after a crash or something ? [09:39] smspillaz: no, unity/compiz is started [09:39] seb128: oh, is 3.4 final out? tarballs due today? [09:39] smspillaz: nothing is displayed [09:40] pitti, and I don't like keeping stuff in unapproved for a week it often leads to people not noticing, duplication, etc [09:40] no redrawing [09:40] pitti, yes [09:40] seb128: somehow I missed the announcement then [09:40] pitti, tarballs today [09:40] didrocks: so it starts and then just hangs [09:40] seb128: I did get the ones for "please make your .92 tarballs" two weeks ago [09:40] there are already half a dozen [09:40] didrocks: and no previous instance comes before it ? [09:40] smspillaz: hangs are just don't redraw [09:40] pitti, maybe they forgot to send the email [09:40] seb128: I thought it was on d-d-l [09:40] smspillaz: look at the bug reports, you have the .xsession-errors and everything [09:40] even when you restart compiz manually and no other wm is running [09:40] alrighty :) [09:41] pitti, yeah, they forgot to send the 3.4 tarballs due email [09:41] pitti, I asked on #gnome-hackers [09:41] seb128: ok, thanks for the warning; will do the pygobject release today then, and upload to debian, so we can sync [09:42] pitti, https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree#Schedule [09:42] no need to do that today, though, no changes since .93 [09:42] seb128: so yes, staging in -proposed sounds great [09:42] pitti, good [09:43] seb128: it would avoid the arch desync errors that we use to have [09:43] pitti, it also makes updates visible on -changes [09:43] seb128: I think didrocks's unity release on Friday went really well [09:43] so avoid people overlooking them [09:43] indeed [09:43] yes, twice even :) [09:44] pitti: hello! danke, gut! [09:44] mvo: how does apt compute the scores for upgrading? i. e. Considering gir1.0-gtk-2.0:amd64 3 as a solution to gir1.2-gtk-2.0:amd64 3 [09:44] funny, I had the same idea of -proposed and GNOME 3.4 this week-end ;) [09:44] mvo: i. e. how can I increase the gir1.2 one, or lower the gir1.0 one? [09:44] mvo: (note that gir1.0-* doesn't exist any more) [09:45] didrocks, ;-) [09:45] pitti: priority, rdepends are the common ones and it preferes to keep the existing one if the scores are the same [09:46] didrocks, has anyone reported all windows being invisible (panel too) since the last compiz update? [09:46] mvo: does it count the number of conflicts or something similar? [09:47] mvo: i. e. would it help to add an additional breaks/conflicts to some package? [09:47] mvo: like libgtk2.0-dev conflicts: gir1.0-* [09:47] pgraner: right, there are some cases about it [09:47] ? [09:47] pgraner: you can try running unity --reset in a tty1 [09:47] pgraner: then logout/login again, it seems it fixed it [09:48] didrocks, no go, I found that bug report, when I do my box locks up [09:48] chrisccoulson, sorry got sidetracked, so I think the hud has to poke for the menus when the win gets in focus, how would it work otherwise? I guess it could do it when the hud ui opens... [09:49] chrisccoulson, https://code.launchpad.net/~desrt/indicator-appmenu/hud-rewrite-wip/+merge/97716 was the xul support merge I think [09:50] pitti: unfortunately not, just dependencies/recommends that are installed or maked install [09:50] mvo: or would it help to change the conflicts: into a breaks? (gir1.2 already replaces: gir1.0-*, so that would work) [09:50] seb128, yeah, i'm not sure how best to handle it. i have tried as best as possible to not do anything with menus until the user really wants to see them, because dbusmenu is just far too slow [09:50] chrisccoulson, would using gmenus fix that? [09:50] pitti: is this reproducable easily? if so, I can twiddle around a bit to see if I can find a good way [09:50] pgraner: urgh, so you are in the case it's still lock up? there are smspillaz and alan_g who can maybe help here ^ [09:50] chrisccoulson, though I guess it's not precise material at this point [09:50] pgraner: otherwise, use -2d for now :( [09:51] mvo: right, let me try to get a small test case from a lucid live CD; then I can play with the local Packages files to check this [09:51] didrocks, ok, anything I should be doing to trouble shoot? [09:51] mvo: I just thought you might have a recipe how to tweak the scores [09:51] pitti: sounds good, thanks! [09:51] having a 15 second pause when opening the bookmark menu is bad enough, but having it every time the window focuses is not great :( [09:51] seb128, i'm not sure whether gmenu would be better. maybe ;) [09:51]