[06:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: You'll like this I think: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Minecraft-Calculator-Graphing-MaxSGB-Scientific,15109.html
[07:28] <daubers> Morning
[07:32] <DJones> Morning all
[07:44] <kaushal> Hi
[07:45] <kaushal> is there a way to run time ssh servera /bin/false && time ssh serverb /bin/false on the same gnome-terminal of my desktop ?
[07:45] <kaushal> similar to sdiff command
[08:03] <BigRedS> I don't see the similarity
[08:04] <BigRedS> Oh!
[08:04] <BigRedS> do you just want the terminal output side-by-side kaushal ?
[08:05] <BigRedS> Terminator and tmux can each help do that
[08:05] <kaushal> BigRedS: yes
[08:05] <kaushal> exactly
[08:05] <BigRedS> Terminator is a terminal app that can do split screens, so you can have the GUI split
[08:05] <BigRedS> tmux splits in the terminal itself. It's like screen
[08:05] <kaushal> any clue about byobu ?
[08:05] <BigRedS> it's almost exactly screen, just different enough to be confusing
[08:05] <BigRedS> possibly
[08:06] <BigRedS> byobu is just screen with fancy config
[08:06] <kaushal> ok
[08:06] <BigRedS> adn I know screen can do vertical splits
[08:06] <BigRedS> but I don't know if the one in the repos can
[08:06] <BigRedS> or how - I saw I had to build it so I used tmux instead
[08:06] <kaushal> i launched byobu
[08:06] <kaushal> how do i split it into two
[08:07] <mattt> morning all
[08:10] <BigRedS> kaushal: this might help: http://aperiodic.net/screen/quick_reference
[08:10] <BigRedS> I don't know how different byobu is
[08:11] <popey> BigRedS: its not different really
[08:11] <popey> just screen with some nice added bits, the same shortcuts work given it's the screen binary underneath
[08:11] <BigRedS> popey: Ahh
[08:11] <BigRedS> I was under the impression some of the change was to the keybindings
[08:12] <popey> i use the same key bindings in screen as I do in byobu
[08:12] <BigRedS> oh, cool
[08:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> How cool is this guy? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17478070
[08:15] <oimon> overheard on sunday: "hey i bought a galaxy note", "is that a phone or an ipad?" , "it's an ipad that can make phone calls". "oh i see".
[08:16] <arsen> lol.
[08:16] <arsen> <3 people
[08:16] <oimon> <3 teenagers
[09:14] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, people! :D
[09:25]  * BigRedS notes that the next oggcamp isn't going to be oggcamp 110 after all :(
[09:25] <popey> ☺
[09:26] <BigRedS> haha, are there confirmed dates for it yet?
[09:26] <bigcalm> Yes, but they are in the background image
[09:27] <bigcalm> A poor website for the blind
[09:28] <bigcalm> BigRedS: 110 is 7
[09:33] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:36] <BigRedS> er, 100
[09:36] <BigRedS> bigcalm: ^
[09:36] <BigRedS> There was 1, 10, then 11
[09:37] <gord> you really would of thought draw something would have more words, how hard is it to find a list of words?
[09:37] <gord> i mean... work wor
[09:37]  * BigRedS has no idea what gord is on about
[09:37] <gord> silly mobile game
[09:38] <gord> that everyone is playing
[09:38] <BigRedS> ohhh
[09:39] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I just saw the dates. I spent a while looking at that page earlier without detecting them
[09:54] <bigcalm> Maybe a channel topic change would be good to say Oggcamp 18th & 19th August
[09:58] <sagaci> wasn't oggcamp going to be renamed?
[09:59] <popey> nope
[09:59] <popey> we asked for suggestions _if_ we were going to rename it
[09:59] <sagaci> eh, well I totally misread/heard that
[09:59] <popey> but nobody came up with a decent one
[09:59] <Laney> flaccamp
[10:01] <directhex> WMAcamp.
[10:01] <directhex> so us windows phone users feel welcome
[10:01] <sagaci> mp3dom
[10:01] <sagaci> :D
[10:05] <gord> ... why didn't you ask me? gordfest it is
[10:05] <gord> or maybe gordmageddon
[10:06] <sagaci> flacbang
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: HELLO!
[10:30] <daubers> I like the fact I can get pictures from my phone to my desktop with U1... I don't like the fact that I can't tell it to put that folder anywhere but my home folder :(
[10:33] <bittin> Hello
[11:01] <AlanBell> anyone else getting *** VTE ***: Failed to load terminal capabilities from '/etc/termcap' when launching gnome-terminal today on 12.04
[11:06] <gord> AlanBell, nope
[11:07] <AlanBell> bother
[11:07] <davmor2> bittin: hello
[11:07] <AlanBell> how on earth did I break that then I wonder
[11:15] <AlanBell> fixed it, just needed to close all open terminals and reopen one
[11:27] <Daviey> AlanBell: Do you and of of the other Alan's still care about openerp?
[11:28] <AlanBell> yup
[11:28] <AlanBell> all Alans love OpenERP
[11:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey Daviey
[11:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: that's a lie Alan Turing doesn't give two hoots :P
[11:33] <AlanBell> davmor2: well doing annual accounts appears to be NP-complete so I think he would approve
[11:33] <brobostigon> lol
[11:33]  * bigcalm makes an entrance
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> call that an entrance bigcalm ?
[11:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dame Edna Everage does "Entrances"
[11:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: :D
[11:36] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer / AlanBell: If the latest openerp was to be in precise, would you be happy?
[11:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Daviey: I would be no less or more happy than I am right now.
[11:37] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: oh, won't bother then :)
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fabien at OpenERP s.a. might be more happy though.
[11:39] <AlanBell> server or client?
[11:39] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: would you be willing to test a package?
[11:39] <Daviey> AlanBell: server
[11:39] <Daviey> hmm, maybe client aswell
[11:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> But what happens in less than 5 years when the next major version or OpenERP comes out?
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\of
[11:40] <AlanBell> client would be more useful than the server to be packaged I think
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> +1 AlanBell
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jorge suggested we right a "charm" for JuJu based on our installation instructions.
[11:40] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: if it were me, i'd pin deployments to 2 yearly updates :)
[11:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> But upgrading OpenERP is non-trivial.
[11:41] <Daviey> exactly :)
[11:41] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: Hi
[11:42] <AlanBell> well you could package it with the version number
[11:42] <AlanBell> so you would have a package for the 6.0.x series and one for the 6.1.x series
[11:43] <AlanBell> upgrades between them are done by a hosted migration service that openERP provide to people who buy the subscription
[11:44] <Daviey> AlanBell: looking at 6.1 snapshot for precise.
[11:49] <TonyNorfolk> Is anyone brilliant with plymouth - I adjusted it and it now looks aweful.
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> TonyNorfolk: aweful? That's a mix between awesome and awful? :P
[12:05] <BigRedS> I still maintain that those two words should be synonymous
[12:09] <TonyNorfolk> MartijnVds: Lol - good spot!
[12:09] <kirrus> BigRedS: You mean, awesome/awful, or aweful/awful should be synonymous?
[12:15] <BigRedS> kirrus: awesome and awful
[12:19] <kirrus> but.. they're polar opposites!
[12:19] <BigRedS> Yeah, and I think that's wrong
[12:19] <kirrus> why?
[12:20] <Daviey> cd MartijnVdS
[12:20] <Daviey> err, wrong window, and bad tab completion
[12:20] <BigRedS> oo-er
[12:20] <BigRedS> kirrus: Because 'awe some' and 'awe ful' are much the same
[12:20] <Laney> awenone
[12:20] <BigRedS> etymologically they shouldn't be opposites
[12:20] <daubers> MartijnVdS isn't a directory! He's a number!
[12:20] <BigRedS> it doesn't help that neither really means anything to do with awe any more
[12:21] <BigRedS> so we have 'awe-inspiring' instead
[12:21] <kirrus> BigRedS: when has the english language ever made sense?
[12:21] <dwatkins> ls -l Daviey
[12:21] <BigRedS> kirrus: It never has, that's why I have all these patches to submit to it
[12:21] <kirrus> BigRedS: when you rule the world... maybe ;)
[12:23] <bittin> The Precise beta works awesome :)
[12:24] <bittin> and changed to a wm you can actully use apart from Unity Openbox ftw :)
[12:26] <BigRedS> I've got really bored of thinking about WMs. I think I preferred it when nobody cared.
[12:29] <ali1234> back when managing windows was the primary function of the WM
[12:31] <dwatkins> looks like this summer's going to be pretty hot, it's sunny and warm even in Edinburgh today and it's barely spring.
[12:36] <BigRedS> It's summer
[12:36] <BigRedS> that's what happened on saturday night
[12:36] <BigRedS> summer started
[12:37] <dwatkins> oh, I didn't realise summer started so early, though it was only just spring
[12:37] <BigRedS> summer begins when summertime starts, winter begins when summertime ends
[12:37] <BigRedS> spring and autumn are myths
[12:37] <dwatkins> ah
[12:38] <dwatkins> it's like someone flipped a switch, we had a right pea-souper of fog on Saturday, then Sunday was sunny and warm
[12:38] <BigRedS> We had _really_ dense fog in the morning on saturday, but by about midday it felt like summer
[12:39] <dwatkins> in Edinburgh, the fog lasted all day, which was surreal
[12:40] <BigRedS> actually, what was really weird here was how quick it came in - I looked outside, confirmed it was a nice day, put my bike sutff on and stepped out into the fog
[14:39] <selinuxium> Hmm... Latest update killed my unity...
[14:39] <selinuxium> now runnign 2d..
[14:39] <selinuxium> running even...
[14:39] <Laney> seems like a bit of a rocky one
[14:40] <selinuxium> I take it there have been other reports then...
[14:40] <selinuxium> Haven't had a chance to look yet.. Been fighting trying to get 3d up..
[14:41] <popey> selinuxium: unity --reset
[14:42] <selinuxium> popey: from within 2d or command line at broken 3d?
[14:42] <popey> latter
[14:42] <popey> login to unity 3d, then switch to tty and login and run that
[14:42] <popey> switch back to F7 and you're done
[14:43] <selinuxium> Ok dokey... ttfn  :)
[14:43] <davmor2> selinuxium: what is the issue is it lots of gfx artifacts etc if so there is a bug for it, if it is that you are possibly better off in 2d for now
[14:47]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 and goes back to work,inbox 0 :) 
[14:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah inbox 0 every other folder has a 1000+ unanswered though right :D
[14:49] <czajkowski> nope :)
[14:49] <czajkowski> inbox ninja
[14:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah yeah I've told you before that means mrevell isn't giving you enough work :P
[14:58] <czajkowski> :p
[14:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: have a hug for all the hard work
[14:58] <selinuxium> cheers popey, all sorted now.  Wondering if unity is aware it can't start?
[14:58] <mrevell> davmor2, czajkowski is working very hard :)
[14:59] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Have a hug because I haven't seen you in ages!
[14:59] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[14:59] <selinuxium> popey, then perhaps it could run unity --reset on it's own...
[15:00] <davmor2> mrevell: I know see my last statement I just enjoy winding her up :D  czajkowski doesn't bite anymore though so it's not as much fun :)
[15:00] <mrevell> davmor2, She's too busy to bite :)
[15:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: not sent you to the naughty step this year
[15:01] <davmor2> mrevell: hahaha
[15:01] <davmor2> czajkowski: true mind you I've been pretty busy too so the two competing won't help
[15:02] <davmor2> where is MooDoo
[15:05] <gord> its nice to see OpenTTD as one of the highest rated games in software centre :) sure played a lot of transport tycoon in the 90s
[15:14] <Myrtti> gord: waiting for corsix-th to be included as well
[15:17] <gord> Myrtti, hoping someone can re-create the datafiles under a re-distributable licence so people can play it without the original game :)
[15:17] <gord> and if someone wants to go ahead and make an open source dungeon keeper, i think we are set
[15:18] <davmor2> gord: that's your next project sorted then right :D
[15:19] <gord> i tried to once years ago :P data files are encrypted :(
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: back in the 90's right so might work flawlessly in dosbox then :D
[15:29] <gord> it does :)
[15:29] <davmor2> gord: end of problem then
[15:30] <gord> wellll not really, small resolution, looks bad on LCD's (back on crt wasn't a problem) and drains battery way too much if i want to play on the laptop
[15:31] <gord> #firstworldproblems
[16:03] <davmor2> popey: have a look at http://apps.ubuntu.com it's a bit better now :)
[16:05] <davmor2> popey: although you still get all reviews for now
[16:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Integrating Your App Into Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/26/integrating-your-app-into-unity/
[16:24]  * bigcalm boogies to some Electric Six
[16:24] <bigcalm> It's quiet in here today
[16:24] <czajkowski> monday busy times
[16:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: BOO!
[16:24] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I guess that's why I haven't chatted much in here either :D
[16:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: erm, eek?
[16:25] <bigcalm> Half an hour left to the day \o/
[16:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: sorry I was just making some noise :D
[16:25] <bigcalm> Though I've just the last of the milk from the fridge. Hayley might be a little miffed at not having a cuppa tea when she gets in
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: Don't worry flowers are cheaper now so I don't mind attending the funeral :)
[16:27] <bigcalm> Fnar
[16:42] <bigcalm> The excitement I feel when I hear the "pop" of new email arriving gets dashed when it turns out to be yet another system report
[16:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you want I can forward some of mine onto you and you can see if you can fix it if you want? :D
[16:49] <bigcalm> Oh, is that the time
[16:50] <bigcalm> Gotta run
[16:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: wuss
[16:53] <mrevell> Anyone else got a Viglen MPC and wondering what to do with it now that 10.04 is the last LTS that'll run on it? I know I have three years before I have to look another OS altogether but the thing has always been too damn slow to be that useful, anyway :)
[16:55] <davmor2> mrevell: can't you drop lubuntu on it
[16:55] <mrevell> davmor2, Is lubuntu retaining support for i586? Ooh, if so, yeah, that's an idea.
[16:56] <davmor2> mrevell: ah pass
[16:58] <mrevell> 10.04 has three years left on the server, anyway, so I'm not in a rush to find an alternative. It's more than I'm trying to talk myself out of buying an HP Microserver :)
[17:02] <mgdm> I might put straight Debian on mine
[17:02] <mgdm> Unless that has been rebuilt to preclude <586
[17:03]  * bittin listning to 50 Hertz
[17:04] <mgdm> I never found mains hum all that good to listen to
[17:05] <zleap> can someone help me with libreoffice i have a docx file saved as odf, but am getting read only elements that I can't edit,  it means I can't add new rows to a table etc
[17:25] <Nafallo> popey: any news on working unity/compiz/nux/bamf? :-)
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: it broke?
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah
[17:32]  * MartijnVdS postpones rebooting
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: which bit
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: unity/compiz interaction most likely
[17:32] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: some people was left with blank screen. mine kept flickering a lot
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I have the flickering on my laptop
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> Gym time :|
[17:41] <popey> Nafallo: unity --reset ☺
[17:41] <popey> Nafallo: should all be fine if you do a --reset
[17:42] <popey> mrevell: buy a microserver ☺
[17:54] <Nafallo> popey: ah. thanks. I'll try that in a bit
[18:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tolworth  25th March 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=137
[18:12] <Myrtti> I wonder if Womens Institute is approximately what I think it is
[18:12] <Myrtti> reading Wikipedia it appears so
[18:25] <daubers> Muder is still illegal right?
[18:25] <daubers> s/Muder/Murder
[18:29] <directhex> Mulder?
[18:40] <daubers> Moida
[18:48] <davmor2> man they made the x-files illegal.......
[19:02] <diplo> evening all
[19:03] <davmor2> diplo: is a copper careful what you say
[19:03] <diplo> ?
[19:03]  * diplo lost
[19:04] <diplo> ah I get you :)
[19:04]  * diplo is tired, just fought putting the kids to bed
[19:04] <czajkowski> mmmm pizza
[19:05] <diplo> Home made I hope!
[19:06] <ging> 67
[19:06] <Azelphur> Incoming longquestion :o
[19:06] <ging> stupid tabs
[19:06] <Azelphur> so, if everybody is bored, I'm thinking about some stuff, as everybody knows I run game servers, we're starting to shift quite a lot of large files, up to 50MB a pop to every client that connects, and we want to start mirroring for some projects, etc...Currently we have the webserver up on the same dedicated server that's running the game servers, but I have a feeling that the webservers traffic will start effecting the game servers. So I'm wondering...
[19:06] <Azelphur> should I aim at rate limiting the webserver? (I don't think this would work too well as everybody needs to download the map at the same time), What about the cheap managed hosting plans, will they get angry if I start passing 2TB+/mo bandwidth through them? Any other suggestions?
[19:07] <diplo> heh was going to suggest using godaddy accounts or something
[19:07] <czajkowski> diplo: no chance
[19:07] <Azelphur> lol godaddy xD
[19:07] <diplo> I like home made ones
[19:08] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: which games?
[19:08] <diplo> No limits Azelphur, I know they have there issues and I am moving away from them atm but bandy wise if you are just linking files
[19:08] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: currenty TF2 shifts the most traffic, We're beta testing minecraft atm and then we're just gonna keep on adding games at infinitum while mirroring for projects relevant to those games
[19:09] <BigRedS> How often does the data change? CDN?
[19:10] <Azelphur> diplo: yea, I'm thinking map change = 75% of players have to download the new map? = 24 people all trying to get a 50MB file at 50mbit? nearly 3 minutes just for a mapchange...bad >.<
[19:10] <Azelphur> BigRedS: CDN is an option, but they are a bit dark magic to me I don't fully understand it
[19:10] <Azelphur> plus, I'm very low budget
[19:11] <diplo> I suppose, are they maps hosted by other game server people ?
[19:11] <Azelphur> I did the math for Amazon S3 and it'd totally nuke my budget
[19:11] <diplo> Link them to multiplay's files :D
[19:11] <Azelphur> diplo: haha, clearly you missed out on the whole "hotlinking is a bad idea" lesson :P
[19:11] <diplo> Or chat with Wizzo/Killing about it
[19:11] <diplo> Wizzo is a good bloke, really helpful
[19:12] <Azelphur> who is wizzo?
[19:12] <BigRedS> Yeah, CDNs are cheaper than S3
[19:12] <diplo> Owner of Multiplay
[19:12] <BigRedS> they're also slower to update
[19:12] <diplo> Run the 1-2k people lans ?
[19:12] <BigRedS> so if you've new files every several days they're alright, but if you're constantly updating files they're less good
[19:12] <BigRedS> Not sure on precise pricing, though. I've never paid for one :)
[19:12] <Azelphur> BigRedS: how slow are we talking? I mean we're talking similar to apt for example, there will be software, the software will have updates.
[19:12] <diplo> http://www.multiplaygameservers.com/
[19:13] <Azelphur> diplo: yea I know multiplay :)
[19:13] <BigRedS> Ah, the speed of the update is fast, it's the frequency with which you can do it that's limited
[19:13] <diplo> Well Wizzo is the owner reall name Craig, and the guy who designed clanforge and does most of the game server wizardry is Killing ( Real name Steve )
[19:14] <diplo> Good nice guys
[19:14] <Azelphur> diplo: hehe, fun :)
[19:14] <diplo> See if they can help you out ?
[19:14] <diplo> You do it for fun dont you ? Not profit
[19:14] <Azelphur> BigRedS: yea, so the question is really if something like APT could be done via a CDN, because it should be a similar update frequency really
[19:14] <BigRedS> you'ld have somewhere hosting the files, and point teh CDN at them. Periodically, you can expire the cache on the files to force the CDN to recollect the files rather than serving out of cache any more
[19:14] <Azelphur> diplo: Both, although I don't earn any money atm I'd like to XD
[19:15] <mgdm> expiring files on a CDN is sometimes expensive
[19:15] <mgdm> they prefer you just to upload new files with different names
[19:15] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[19:15] <mgdm> doing a cache purge is something you tend to only get a limited number of per month
[19:15] <Azelphur> what sorta price would this be anyway?
[19:18] <brobostigon> what does prorata mean?
[19:19] <Azelphur> proportional ratio?
[19:19] <mgdm> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata explains it better than I could
[19:20] <mgdm> atually, no it doesn;t
[19:20] <brobostigon> :(
[19:20] <mgdm> what's the context?
[19:21] <brobostigon> mgdm: me wanting two staggered invoice periods combined.
[19:50] <Azelphur> well, apparently my dedicated server provider solved that problem before I had it
[19:50] <Azelphur> "yo we sold you 100mbit but...yea your on 1gbit, enjoy."
[19:50] <BigRedS> handy!
[19:50] <Azelphur> that explains why I was able to do a 32MB/sec download the other day
[19:50] <Azelphur> haha
[19:50] <Azelphur> I shall rate limit my webserver to something like 500mbit/sec, and laugh.
[19:51] <Azelphur> and my dedicated provider has decent bandwidth overcharges too, so I should be fine even if I start poking the 5TB limit
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: only 500? :)
[19:52] <Azelphur> haha
[19:52]  * MartijnVdS pokes a server at work
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> and another
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> and another
[19:52] <Azelphur> :P
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: working at one of the country's biggest isps :)
[19:53] <Azelphur> >.<
[19:53] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: but I have the quality? InterNAP NYC Tier 1 ;)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: We're the ISP that grew from a bunch of hackers back in '93... and they don't like slow downloads :)
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have no idea how much up/downstream we have and from where, but gigabits = peanuts
[19:54] <Azelphur> indeed, xs4all is awesome, I'm not even in NL and I know of them and some of the cool stuff they do
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: :) Cool
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> Still waiting for the fibre company (which is separate...) to install the fibre though.. it's 7 floors down. I can _see_ it, it has my address on it.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> it's taunting me :(
[19:55] <mgdm> am I the only one who's reasonably happy if he has more than about 8mbit?
[19:55] <Azelphur> haha
[19:55] <mgdm> I could get 50mbit or even 100 where I am, I just can't really be bothered
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I want to upload photos and videos sometimes. At 1mbit/s that's a bit horrible
[19:56] <BigRedS> mgdm: nope. I've no idea what I'm on
[19:56] <BigRedS> but it lets me download bits of the Internet so I'm happy
[19:56] <mgdm> I'd have to upgrade all my stuff (everything I have is on 11g just now)
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: at 500/500 it shouldn't be a problem anymore
[19:56] <mgdm> I barely download anything
[19:56] <mgdm> and only upload stuff to Flickr, periodically
[19:56] <Azelphur> I'd love faster internet
[19:57] <Azelphur> Uploads are really painful on ADSL
[19:57] <Nafallo> popey: just to confirm. I want the latest -proposed, reboot and then unity --reset once logged in to the strobo-desktop?
[19:57] <Azelphur> I would do so many cool things if I had fast upload
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd back up my NAS to an identical one at my parents' place for one
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and the other way around
[19:57] <Nafallo> hmm. new unity. maybe not.
[19:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:57] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I'd like to use my bitcoin cluster to do a super-super HD render of my minecraft map
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (note: we have no bandwidth usage limits)
[19:57] <Nafallo> and compiz as well it seems...
[19:58] <Azelphur> but the upload would be terabytes
[19:58] <czajkowski> popey: who does andy piper now work for ?
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Run it like Google Maps
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: with tiling etc.
[19:58] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: is your laptop still flickering? :-)
[19:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: we do
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I'm on my desktop atm, laptop is off
[19:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://map.minecraft.azelphur.com/ pop the sidebar out on the right and click PvE :P
[19:58] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: well, whichever was flickering before... is it fixed now? ;-)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: *sigh* I'll go turn it on
[19:59] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: gratzie
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> Upgradink..
[20:01] <popey> Nafallo: ya
[20:01] <popey> czajkowski: not sure he's publicly announced yet
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: there's no new unity in my upgrade list
[20:03] <Nafallo> hmm. weird.
[20:03] <Nafallo> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main unity i386 5.8.0-0ubuntu2 [1,192 kB]
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ah, I'm using a mirror
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> rechecking
[20:04] <popey> 5.8 is latest
[20:04] <Nafallo> popey: there are at least two 5.8.0 ;-)
[20:04] <czajkowski> popey: bugger
[20:04] <czajkowski> cheers
[20:04] <popey> czajkowski: why?
[20:05] <czajkowski> need speakers for limerick conference
[20:05] <popey> ahh
[20:05] <czajkowski> am trying to rack my brains here
[20:05] <czajkowski> need an ARM speeaker also
[20:05] <czajkowski> rasbery pi
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: have you talked to the RPi people? They seem very "talkative" lately
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I'm still amazed at a bug with this much impact being introduced this late in the cycle
[20:09] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah, same here.
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Oh hey 5.8.0-0ubuntu2
[20:10]  * Nafallo looks at changelogs
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> logging out & back in again, brb
[20:11] <zleap> what exactly is that pop out side bar thingy in unity called ?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> still blinky von blinkenstein
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> zleap: sidebar?
[20:11] <gordonjcp> zleap: lots of things, few of them repeatable in a channel where people love the CoC
[20:11] <Nafallo> launcher?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> Icon tray?
[20:12] <zleap> ok
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: 8-)
[20:12] <gordonjcp> I tend to call it an ill-designed buggy piece of foolishness
[20:12] <zleap> i need one for windows,  i am so used to it that when i use windows i put my mouse cursor on the left hand side, expecting to see it, LOL
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> zleap: Use Windows 7, its task bar works almost the same
[20:13] <Nafallo> right. I'm upgrading, and will tickle popey half to death if this fails on me again.
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> zleap: if you put it on the left
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: only half?
[20:13] <zleap> the main issue i have is that when i er go to close an app it appears covering the close button
[20:13] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: I want him alive... he's good to blame for shit ;-)
[20:13] <daftykins> czajkowski: are you back there now? i was in Limerick for the first time at the start of March :O
[20:13] <zleap> MartijnVdS, you mean i can move it
[20:14] <czajkowski> daftykins: nope but running a conference there in october
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> zleap: the Windows task bar? Of course, after you unlock it
[20:14] <gord> i set my windows 7 task bar on the left to try and get the same experience, its not, its just infuriating
[20:14] <zleap> i meant the unity one
[20:14] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: looks like the latest compiz will fix the screen corruption by doing what popey said automatically :-P
[20:14] <daftykins> czajkowski: neat
[20:14]  * zleap has xp
[20:14] <zleap> and ubuntu
[20:14] <daftykins> i heard it's the stabby capital of Ireland
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> zleap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtphSIeMstY
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> zleap: now you'll hear them sing "Lock the taskbar" forver
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> +e
[20:15] <zleap> lol
[20:15] <zleap> like start me up by the rolling stones
[20:15] <gord> if thats adam and joe, then you are mean :P
[20:15] <gord> you can't forget that
[20:16] <zleap> anyway as I hardly use windows its not exactly a big issue
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: the clash - rock the cabah
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> gord:
[20:16] <zleap> it was more of a comment on how ubuntu has affected me
[20:16] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: nooooooo!
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: LOCK THE TASKBAR
[20:17] <zleap> start me up
[20:17] <zleap> you have to click start to close me down LOL
[20:17] <daftykins> rock the taskbar :( no wait...
[20:17] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: :-)
[20:17] <gordonjcp> tune
[20:17]  * zleap waits for a comment on that one
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: at least you don't have to drag it to the trash to unmount
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: talk about awkward dates
[20:18] <zleap> you mean you have to do that on windows or linux
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> zleap: macos
[20:18] <zleap> ah
[20:18] <zleap> sorry
[20:19] <daftykins> zleap: i heard that from a colleague of my dads a bit ago, very true that you click start to stop... :>
[20:20] <zleap> it is still the case as you click start shutdown
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: well it's sort of logical.. "I want to start the bit of software that stops the computer"
[20:20] <zleap> only the start button is no longer says start on it,
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> also, just press the power button.. it'll pop up a question or just shut down properly
[20:20] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: yeah, you also start shutting down don't you :D
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: exactly
[20:20] <daftykins> zleap: although they renamed it 'the orb'
[20:20] <zleap> ah
[20:20] <daftykins> so yeah there's nothing start-like about it anymore XD
[20:20] <zleap> right that is catchy
[20:21] <zleap> i will stick to unity
[20:21] <zleap> or kde or anything Linux based
[20:21] <Nafallo> daftykins: heh, someone read too much david eddings ;-)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> FVWM95
[20:21] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: working?
[20:21] <zleap> yeah
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: no, still blinky mcblinkenstein
[20:22] <zleap> ohh notice the day
[20:22] <daftykins> Nafallo: who?
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: 5.8.0-0ubuntu2 that is
[20:22] <zleap> 26th March,  1 month to go till 12.04
[20:22] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: and compiz?
[20:22] <zleap> :D
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: uhrrr...
[20:22] <Nafallo> Get:9 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-proposed/main compiz all 1:0.9.7.2-0ubuntu2 [3,288 B]
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> precise-proposed?
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> I don't have that!
[20:22] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: heh
[20:22] <zleap> precise pengolian
[20:22] <zleap> or something
[20:23] <zleap> pangolion
[20:23] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: that's the one that is supposed to fix the flicker, fwiw. according to the changelog :-)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: Oh woo. Also the blank screen thing?
[20:23] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah. it basically resets compiz to default on upgrade ;-)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> instead of fixing the REAL problem
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> GOOGLE'S APT SERVER, Y U SLOW
[20:24] <Nafallo> haha
[20:24] <Nafallo> yeah
[20:24] <gord> googles apt server runs on a 56k i swear
[20:24] <Nafallo> quite
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> gord: I heard it's 14k4
[20:25] <gord> and MartijnVdS that is called unblocking so you can spend more time figuring out the real fix ;)
[20:25] <Nafallo> gord: are you sure they are not using an ARM-board to host it? ;-)
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> gord: What do they call not breaking it in the first place? :)
[20:26] <gord> a world where software is made by perfect beings, probably deep thought
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> gord: I think we've had this discussion before.. :) I kind of like full test suite runs on every commit :)
[20:27] <gord> we have that
[20:27] <Nafallo> hmm
[20:27] <gord> but a test suite only tests what you know - it doesn't test what you don't know
[20:27] <Nafallo> staging archive for certification/qa to run the things?
[20:28] <gord> yeah, don't quote me on the specifics, but a solution along those lines, problems come about when things like this are found a few days before a release
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Woo, working Unity
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Time to fix it again..
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> wow, even alt+stuff works when you disable HUD
[20:32] <Nafallo> meh. I just didn another apt-get update, and guess what... yet another compiz
[20:32] <zleap> lol
[20:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: don't suppose you happen to know much about tc?
[20:34] <Azelphur> seems like it might be in your field :P
[20:34] <Nafallo> right. time to try a reboot.
[20:34] <Nafallo> might bbiab... ;-)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: tc? traffic control? the qos tool?
[20:36] <daftykins> top cat of course!
[20:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yep
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://lartc.org/ :)
[20:36] <jacobw> rtfm
[20:36] <Azelphur> trying to figure out how I might rate limit my webserver
[20:36] <Azelphur> oh god but the manual is scary >.<
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Not as scary as sudoers
[20:36] <jacobw> its queue discipline
[20:36] <Azelphur> lol
[20:37] <daftykins> Azelphur: put it on dialup
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I'd start with trying to find a module for the webserver to limit bandwidth
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: failing that, http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.html
[20:37] <Azelphur> yea, I asked in nginx and they wern't very useful, I did some googling and couldn't find one, I don't think there is one
[20:38] <Nafallo> oh. latest updates seems to work.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Queue discipline sounds very British to me :)
[20:38] <jacobw> :D
[20:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:38] <Nafallo> popey: seems it's fixed in the archives :-)
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: yeah, it resets unity/compiz, as gord said.. so bye bye customizations
[20:39] <jacobw> i actually listened to a podcast episode about queueing on friday
[20:39] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah :-)
[20:39] <jacobw> it was very interesting /o\
[20:40] <bigcalm> popey: AlanBell: christel: where's nice to stay in Farnham?
[20:40] <daftykins> at least it would've been if you ever reached the head of the queue?
[20:40] <daftykins> (sorry)
[20:41] <jacobw> haha
[20:43] <daftykins> oh lawd
[20:43] <daftykins> i just got reminded i got asked to be my brothers best man at his wedding in September
[20:44] <AlanBell> bigcalm: this place is interesting http://www.hoteldevie.com/leisure/faqs.html#swingers-hotel-myth
[20:44] <daftykins> not that i hugely know what it involves but i don't like such things :P
[20:44] <jacobw> its time to write a speech
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it involves getting drunk
[20:44] <daftykins> only one of those sounds do-able
[20:44] <daftykins> :>
[20:44] <jacobw> more or less so than the groom?
[20:45] <jacobw> ones supposes the groom has an incentive to be not too drunk
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Hence the responsibility of the best man
[20:46] <jacobw> fascinating
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> Also, if you're into that, the bride's single friends
[20:46]  * jacobw is attending a wedding in june
[20:48] <bigcalm> AlanBell: haha, thanks :)
[20:49] <daftykins> heh i sense they'll mostly be Guernsey girls, so... ;)
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: is that a bad thing? :)
[20:50] <daftykins> sometimes :>
[20:50] <daftykins> mostly
[20:50] <daftykins> well of course i'm crazy myself too
[20:50] <daftykins> ;D
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> if you say so
[20:56] <Azelphur> haha, just tested my 1gbit connection, I just downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 precise from a mirror in 14 seconds at 59.3MB/sec
[20:56] <bigcalm> AlanBell: that amusing bit of info to one side, sounds like a nice place
[20:57] <AlanBell> yeah, quite convenient for the station
[20:57] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Hayley and I have the week booked off after the RAT, so our options are open as to what to do
[20:57] <bigcalm> We're in no rush to get home
[20:58] <jacobw> to where is you gigabit connection?
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> THE WORLD
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[20:59] <jacobw> zzz
[21:00] <jacobw> :)
[21:12] <bigcalm> Looking at Hotel de Vie on google maps has the info snippit of "bed and breakfasts · egyptian cotton · erotic art · biscuits · individually themed"
[21:12] <bigcalm> Biscuits?
[21:12] <AlanBell> to go with the tea
[21:12] <bigcalm> Phew
[21:13] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have you seen the standard fitting (apart from one) in the rooms? http://www.hoteldevie.com/leisure/rooms/index.html
[21:13] <AlanBell> not in person, no
[21:13] <bigcalm> Haha
[21:14] <bigcalm> Maybe that's part of the swinging myth
[21:14] <bigcalm> Or partial cause
[21:14] <AlanBell> but you can tell us all about it afterwards
[21:14] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:28] <bigcalm> !info ike
[21:28] <bigcalm> Anybody used an IPsec VPN client in Ubuntu or Debian via the CLI?
[21:29] <bigcalm> I have to set up 2 external connections, one by IPsec, one by PPTP
[21:33] <Azelphur> grrr, this is getting frustrating, I'm still trying to find out how to do bandwidth throttling with nginx, it seems like it's the only webserver that doesn't have an option for it
[21:34] <jacobw> :)
[21:37] <jacobw> nginx is bound to a ip address on an interface shared with other processes?
[21:39] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea, but it obviously has it's own port
[21:46] <mgdm> I'd argue that traffic shaping is better done in something like iptables, but that's just me
[21:46] <Azelphur> yea, that's what they say
[21:46] <Azelphur> only thing is I don't really want to have to read the entire iptables manual just to figure out how to do this
[21:47] <Azelphur> plus I really don't like playing with iptables because if I break my network access to the machine I'm locked out
[21:47] <mgdm> also my web servers generally want to operate as fast as possible, and sod the bandwith :P
[21:47] <Azelphur> yea, I have other services running on the same box
[21:47] <Azelphur> so I need the web server to not be able to choke them
[21:47] <jacobw> tc
[21:48] <Azelphur> jacobw: yea, but again the manual for that is absolutely beastly
[21:48]  * bigcalm grumbles
[21:49] <mgdm> Azelphur: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ratelimit.single.html
[21:49] <Azelphur> I don't wanna have to read like 400 pages of manual just to put a rate limit on a web server
[21:49] <bigcalm> If Whisky Web wasn't in the middle of a rather large project, I might have been able to get my boss to pay for me to attend
[21:49] <mgdm> Azelphur: you'll want to fiddle with the match clause in the last command
[21:49] <mgdm> bigcalm: :(
[21:49] <bigcalm> :( indeed
[21:49] <Azelphur> mgdm: can that be modified to only do a specific interface/port?
[21:50] <bigcalm> I'm going to be demob happy at the end of April
[21:50] <Azelphur> or rather, interface+port, since I only want a specific interface, specific ports
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: $DEV is the interface, the 'match ip dst' bit is the port
[21:50] <Azelphur> match ip dst seems to show an IP though
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: RTFM, below
[21:50] <Azelphur> haha ok, reading \o/
[21:50] <mgdm> Azelphur: it links to the bit on writing match clauses
[22:05] <Azelphur> mgdm: is that example for guarenteed minimum bandwidth? or does it actually limit
[22:05] <Azelphur> I'm trying it locally but I seem to be able to exceed the limit
[22:05] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/7xCcgJes is what I'm doing
[22:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Once upon a time in Cardiff - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/26/once-upon-a-time-in-cardiff/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=once-upon-a-time-in-cardiff
[22:13] <ali1234> Azelphur: this is where having loads and loads of IPs comes in handy
[22:14] <Azelphur> haha
[22:14] <Azelphur> unfortunately, I don't
[22:14] <ali1234> well you used to
[22:14] <Azelphur> yea, now I have 5 \o/
[22:14] <Azelphur> and I have other services on all of them
[22:17] <daftykins> nn all \o
[22:18] <jacobw> NAT/vhosts?
[22:41] <anusha> anusharang