DarkwingRiddell: sent.00:09
pvivek_i am upgrading Precise, i am running do-release-upgrade -d in tty. Everything was working fine, now generating grub.cfg is stuck in an infinite loop, in the sense, its finding my distros and again generating grub.cfg again and again. What to do to stop it? ctrl+c would kill the whole process right ?02:29
Riddellguid mornin08:08
Riddell!testers 09:26
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, em09:26
Riddellhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds  iso testing needed09:26
tazzRiddell, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20120327/precise-mobile-i386.iso gives a 40409:36
Riddelltazz: where is that linked from?09:36
Riddellmobile doesn't exist any more09:36
tazzRiddell, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds i was looking at the active build.09:37
* Mamarok fetches her old laptop and tests amd64 desktop09:38
Riddelltazz: it's here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120327/09:39
RiddellI wonder how to fix it in iso tracker09:39
tazzi can test the mobile build on my exopc09:40
Riddelltazz: fixed I think09:43
Riddelltazz: and it's an active built no mobile :)09:43
tazzoh ok. kubuntu-active09:44
Riddellwe can rename to kubuntu-zumba if you think that would be using a better known term09:45
* Riddell fears that might be a cultural trademark that hasn't reached india yet09:45
tazzRiddell, i am afraid we already would have a zumba like implementation in our bollywood industry :p09:55
Riddellooh good idea, kubuntu-bollywood-dancers-and-singers09:59
shadeslayerDarkwing: The TF101 with sbkv210:31
shadeslayerB70 something10:31
shadeslayerthat's the serial number10:32
BluesKajHiyas all11:18
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artnayany idea if the KDE langpacks will be updated to 4.8(.1) before 12.04 release? bug 94556011:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 945560 in Ubuntu Translations "Precise's KDE translation templates on Launchpad are not updated for KDE SC 4.8" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94556011:54
Riddellartnay: they are on our part (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-l10n-fr) so if they're not getting through that's a bug in launchpad 11:57
Riddelldpm: nudge nudge ^^11:57
dpmartnay, as asked on #ubuntu-translators, are they not updated? Could you give me an example where they are not, so that we can investigate it if necessary?11:58
artnaydpm: they're not. wait, I'll browse KDE's svn. should we continue this on #ubuntu-translators?12:01
dpmartnay, whichever channel of the two is good12:01
* Riddell lunches12:01
artnaydpm: for example icon-tasks which was merged in 4.8. here's what LP offers: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/kde-workspace/+pots/plasma-applet-tasks/fi and here's what exists in KDE: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/fi/messages/kdeplasma-addons/plasma_applet_icontasks.po - LP template is missing lots of visible strings12:06
artnaydpm: and some are missing because i18n work hasn't been done12:09
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artnaydpm: actually I'm not even sure if that's the same package... it says the source is kde-workspace. however in KDE it's part of kdeplasma-addons and if I look at that package on LP I can't find tasks: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/kdeplasma-addons/12:15
artnaydpm: according to https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/kdeplasma-addons/+sharing-details - Updated 2011-09-0912:17
dpmartnay, ok, I think that gives me enough info to investigate. It might take me a while, but I'll update the status of the bug with my findings12:18
artnaydpm: oh snap, import status invalid: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/kdeplasma-addons/trunk12:19
yofelartnay: that's the old svn source import, has no relevance for translations12:20
shadeslayeryay, CD size now 650 MB12:26
shadeslayerwill test tonight12:26
yofelwhut o.O12:27
yofelhow did that happen?12:27
shadeslayerI have no idea myself :P12:27
koolhead17|awayshadeslayer, hola12:27
shadeslayer precise-desktop-amd64+mac.iso       27-Mar-2012 01:13  694M  Desktop CD for 64-bit Mac (AMD64) computers (standard download)12:27
shadeslayerhey koolhead17|away12:27
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shadeslayeroh heh, 694, not 65012:27
koolhead17shadeslayer, got the visa power!! :P12:27
shadeslayeri386 is 68712:27
shadeslayerkoolhead17: Woot! 12:28
shadeslayerkoolhead17: I told you to keep calm :P12:28
koolhead17shadeslayer, you will laugh once i will tell you what was asked!! :P12:28
shadeslayeraha, power pc is 645 MB : precise-desktop-powerpc.iso         27-Mar-2012 01:14  645M  Desktop CD for Mac (PowerPC) and IBM-PPC (POWER5) computers (standard download12:28
koolhead17hi sealne 12:28
shadeslayerkoolhead17: PM me :P12:29
afiestasRiddell: where should we put the feedback we get doing beta testing?12:34
afiestaslaunchpad bugs?12:34
afiestasfor example desktop effects are not working in my laptop (I'm on the installer)12:35
shadeslayeruh nope12:35
shadeslayerthey should go on the QA page12:35
shadeslayerafiestas: you'll need to report any bugs on launchpad and link them to your test report12:36
Riddellafiestas: report bugs on launchpad and give yay/nay/maybe reports on iso tracker12:37
tsdgeosRiddell: any idea why libqt4-dbg does not include libQtScript ?12:37
Riddelllet me see12:37
afiestasit is not possible to resize a parition in the installer isn't it?12:38
Riddelltsdgeos: there's no such thing says http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libQtScript&mode=exactfilename&suite=precise&arch=any12:38
Riddellafiestas: it should be possible in manual patitioning yes12:38
afiestasmm I don't see how12:38
Riddellyou can drag the bars left and right12:39
tsdgeosRiddell: ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtScript.so12:39
Riddelltsdgeos: which package is that part of12:39
apacheloggerRiddell: I'll get on splash stuff in a couple of hours12:39
Riddelloh yes libqt4-script: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtScript.so.412:39
tsdgeosRiddell: libqt4-script12:39
tsdgeosthere's a libqt4-script-dbg12:39
Riddellapachelogger: too latefor beta 2 but do queue it up for after beta12:40
Riddelltsdgeos: -dbg packages just come from debian and are manually made so are error prone.  -dbgsym packages are the (incompatible) ones made automatically for ubuntu12:40
Riddellso you can also investigate those, the apt sources.list line is a bit obscure for that12:40
apacheloggerRiddell: well, I wanted to go for post-beta nyway12:41
apacheloggerkeeping it fresh etc.12:41
Riddellapachelogger: you remind me of the canonical design team :)12:41
afiestasRiddell:  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/27/plasma-windowedT13421.png ?12:41
apacheloggerRiddell: well, it makes sense :P12:42
apacheloggeryou know how reviewers are12:42
Riddellafiestas: not in that dialogue you can't12:42
afiestasapachelogger: are you comming to uds?12:42
apacheloggerthey mention it in the beta review and then never think of it again12:42
apacheloggerafiestas: nope, no time unfortunately12:42
afiestasRiddell: then there is Delete button and that's it12:42
Riddellafiestas: there should also be a drag option if you put the mouse in he right place on the bar widget12:43
afiestasoh wait... maybe I format the home directory with btrfs last time and that's  not supported?12:43
Riddellthat could well be it12:43
apacheloggerbrtfs is not supported in ubiquity? :O12:45
afiestasoh it is a LVM12:45
* Riddell goes offline to do more iso tests12:45
afiestasbtw ubiquity kubuntu frontent was lacking some features right? which ones?12:46
BluesKajI'm having some font issues with systems ettings not holding the settings with qt curve in style/applications ...any reports about this ?12:55
BluesKajfonts aren't holding they revert back to defaults12:56
afiestasBluesKaj: in Qt/KDE or GTK apps?12:57
BluesKajin kde and gtk  , the ~/ and other dirs lose their font settings after opening and closing a couple of times13:00
afiestasBluesKaj: directories loosing font settings?13:00
afiestasnot sure I follow :s13:00
BluesKajyeah  within ~/13:01
afiestasBluesKaj: fail to see the relationship ebtween folders and fonts13:02
BluesKajafiestas,   it's on , nm 13:03
afiestason nm? 13:03
BluesKajdon't have the energu for expalnations that won't solve my problem anyway13:03
afiestasdamn I feel so stupid when using launchpad13:06
afiestasit may be a great tool once you know it but for noobs it is horrible13:07
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BluesKajafiestas,  what are you looking for in launchpad ?13:09
afiestasI'm trying to report a bug for kubuntu-defaults (I think) in 12.04 we stil have kopete in favorites13:09
afiestasbut by default we are shipping kde telepthy, so that must be changed13:09
BluesKajoh , i don't bother with either of them , so I guess I'm no help :)13:11
afiestashttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ hwo the hell do I report a bug? :s13:12
apacheloggerafiestas: we decided to use kopete as defualt for 12.0413:12
afiestasapachelogger: in beta2 it is not installed13:12
apacheloggerthat is a bug in kubuntu-meta then13:13
apacheloggerRiddell: ^13:13
apacheloggeror didn't we actually decide not to have telepathy on the cd at all?13:13
apacheloggerinstead keep it in universe and deploy updates there + PPA for new version?13:13
alvinIs there anyone who can give a quick workaround for bug 966226 so I can try the upgrade?13:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 966226 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "update-manager complains about a missing 'ubuntu-minimal' package, while it is installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96622613:53
Riddellalvin: ask mvo in #ubuntu-devel it's his speciality13:58
alvinRiddell: Thanks. Will do13:59
Riddellapachelogger: we have made no decision on kopete vs telepathy13:59
Riddellapachelogger: I still prefer telepathy so I'm not motivated to organise the meeting it would take to make a decision13:59
alvin(Easy :-) Can telepathy group contacts into meta-contacts and integrate with Kontact?)14:00
Riddellit can group contacts yes14:00
RiddellI'm not sure of its integration with akonadi but I suspect using akonadi would be seen as a disadvantage by many14:00
shadeslayerI believe that is coming14:01
shadeslayervHanda and mck812 are working on that14:01
shadeslayerso it'll  be all integrated nicely sometime in the future14:01
shadeslayerglued together with nepomuk magic14:02
alvinBut it's something Kopete can do now I believe (although the Kontact integration might be broken)14:02
shadeslayerOn a personal note ... I don't use kontact, which is why I don't consider it a very important feature as such :)14:03
shadeslayeralvin: I'd focus more on stuff like doing what a IM messenger is supposed to do, send and recieve IM messages14:03
shadeslayerFile transfer and VoIP are a plus14:04
shadeslayer^ Implemented in ktp 0.414:04
shadeslayerI called myself on gtalk and it worked :P14:04
shadeslayerplus, if you used empathy before, no need to re add accounts :D14:05
Riddellshadeslayer: switching to 0.4 is another unmade decision14:05
Riddellit's not released yet right?14:05
shadeslayerI think feature freeze is this week or next week14:06
* shadeslayer checks with the release manager14:06
alvinWell, I'm only a user here, but I do not agree. Many of us are used to certain features, and those features are constantly taken away. (Auto-complete in Kmail, Katapult integration in Amarok, logging in the init system,...) When some program is replaced, it's better to make sure it can at least do the same. You'll probably agree that the Kontact switch was a nightmare (and it's not completely over yet - still missing features)14:06
shadeslayerheh, I don't use kontact but I've heard the horror stories :P14:07
shadeslayerRiddell: 0.4 release is sometime at the end of April14:07
shadeslayerFeature freeze is this saturdy14:07
* shadeslayer would recommend sticking to 0.3 at the moment14:08
Riddellanyone else get kactivitymanagerd crashing on login?  I reported bug 96624714:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 966247 in kactivities (Ubuntu) "kactivitymanagerd crashes on login" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96624714:08
shadeslayerwith the possibility of a SRU/Backport after release14:08
Riddellshadeslayer: end of april is too late, 0.3 it is14:08
shadeslayeralvin: I'm not sure I can give a unbiased opinion about ktp vs kopete :P14:09
* BluesKaj doesn't blame users for avoiding kmail/kontact. They aren't necessary for normal home user email14:09
shadeslayerBluesKaj: plus the configuration wizard needs major overhaul14:09
alvinMe neither actually, but I noticed the meta-contact feature is missing in the beta.14:10
shadeslayerit should have the defaults for GMail/Yahoo/Other Popular EMail services14:10
alvinBluesKaj: Isn't Kubuntu proud on the largest business use for a KDE distro ;-)14:10
shadeslayerI don't want to manually enter smtp/imap server addresses :/14:10
BluesKajshadeslayer,  all I can say is I loved loved kmail before KDE414:10
shadeslayeralvin: does file transfer work on kopete?14:10
shadeslayerI think if we want to switch we shouldn't be looking at feature parity, but rather have a list of items that a IM client should be able to do and do them extremely well14:12
Riddellalvin: which is the largest business use for a KDE distro?14:12
shadeslayerfeature parity means squat if I can't even send a IM message properly :P14:13
alvinI don't have that data, but I suspect that Kontact might play a part in it. I do administer a Kubuntu business network, but it's not very large. Good Kolab support is a plus.14:13
apacheloggerRiddell: even upstream agreed that pushing it back to 12.10 is a good idea?14:14
BluesKajalvin,  what's the future of kmail since kubuntu is no longer "officially dev'd" by canonical, is the venture into enterprise DE apps like kmail/kontact/akonadi going to fall by the wayside and sensible email client and contained contact list be dev'd for normal users ? :)14:14
tazzhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/210/builds dosnt show a "desktop" version for i386 arch.14:15
alvinKopete does file transfer. I'm not looking for arguments in favour of Kopete, but if Telepathy does nothing more or better, then why switch? I was quite fond of Kmail's many features before it became Akonadi based. The first thing to switch was the address book. Well, it's still not near the same features as it was in KDE314:15
alvinBluesKaj: I'd like to know that answer, but as it's hard to build KDE without Akonadi, I think kdepim is here to stay. (I like the idea of akonadi very much)14:16
shadeslayeralvin: primary argument for switching is deprecated code ... but kopete has the advantage that it is very well tested14:17
shadeslayerand that there are known fixes/work around for kopete ...14:17
BluesKajI hate akonadi ..totally unecessary for home users IMO14:18
alvinOk, but what's deprecated code. Unmaintained? Yes, that's a problem. When looking at it from a business perspective, things look a lot different than from a home user perspective. I struggle regularly with that idea.14:18
BluesKajit's disabled , but still occupying space :( 14:18
Riddellapachelogger: yes I believe that's d_ed's current thinking14:19
shadeslayeralvin: yes, deprecated code => Unmaintained by upstream14:19
alvinIs there actually a KDE based distro geared at business use?14:19
BluesKajsame with nepomuk...krusader ftw serchwise14:19
shadeslayeralvin: What are the requirements of a buisness apart from good support ? 14:20
shadeslayerAdd EMail to that as well :P14:20
BluesKajnow all we need is kde/email aimed at home users ...I'm going to keep pushing for that and no need for a database tie14:22
alvin'Well-tested', and good network integration. You'd want to be able to integrate with LDAP, and have a trustworthy NFS client (believe me, not (K)Ubuntu's strongest point). Aside from that, having a 'works guaranteed' label is fine. For that last reason, Kolab maintains their own version of Kontact to distribute.14:22
alvin(We're actually using Kubuntu as XDMCP server and client - something that is harder to do with Ubuntu.)14:24
shadeslayerRiddell: ^ Possible points for discussion at UDS?14:25
alvinIgnoring mutt, I have yet to meet a better mail client than what Kmail could possibly be again.14:27
Riddellyes kontact is lovely if you ignore the upgrade and flakeyness issues caused by the akonadi transition14:30
apacheloggerRiddell: how about simply doing the vote on the ml15:03
apacheloggerIMHO all that needs saying is said, all we need is a consensus on what to do15:03
Riddellapachelogger: if you think kubuntu-council would be happy with that we can try it yes15:07
Riddellrbelem: hey this active thing is looking good15:07
BluesKajrestore kmail from kde3 to kde4 without all th enterprise/office baggage :)15:08
apacheloggerRiddell: we can also hold a council vote by mail :P15:09
apacheloggerif it needed further discussion then the topic should have been moved along by you, if there is not enough information to make an informed decision on then the status quo is what should be used :P15:09
Riddellapachelogger: I agree the discussion is done15:10
apacheloggerRiddell: sent a mail15:30
Riddellapachelogger: I don't see it15:54
ScottKOK. Replied.16:40
RiddellScottK: to which?16:41
ScottKThe KDE Telepathy/Kopete question.16:41
Riddellon kubuntu-devel?16:41
* Riddell out16:42
danttiScottK, Riddell would you guys be willing to add colord-kde to kubuntu? Fedora has packaged it (tho I need a new release to fix some important bugs), as I'm poking some pople to update colord package16:48
rbelemRiddell, :-D17:40
rbelemRiddell, i will finish the kwin stuff on thursday17:41
mgraesslinrbelem: btw if you have any feedback, please add to the review request17:41
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rbelemRiddell, i will have a webinar to talk about qt sdk and qt quick this wednesday17:42
rbelemmgraesslin, oki :-)17:42
Darkwingrbelem: will there be video?17:42
mgraesslingood, as it is important for us to know whether it makes sense to include the patch or not17:42
rbelemDarkwing, yup, but in portuguese17:43
Darkwingdamn, last time I tried to tie my very limited spanish into portuguese I failed miserably. lol17:44
rbelemmgraesslin, it worked very well, otherwise i would have to do lots of renamings and setup package conflicts17:46
mgraesslinsounds good17:46
mgraesslinthen I just have to check with active group whether there are start scripts to adjust and so on :-)17:46
rbelemDarkwing, in general we understand spanish, but spanish doesn t understand us17:46
DarkwingI noticed that when I was in Rio LOL17:47
rbelemmgraesslin, i can send to you my changes to the active parts by thurday17:47
mgraesslinoh that would be cool17:47
mgraesslinor best just open a review request :-)17:48
rbelemwill do17:48
rbelemDarkwing, oh nice! you have been in rio before :-)17:48
rbelemDarkwing, nowadays rio is a more safe place17:49
Darkwingrbelem: It was years ago but yes, I loved it.17:49
Darkwingrbelem: it was in 200417:49
DarkwingI did a South American trip.17:49
* dantti avoids going to rio :P17:50
danttiI can't really imagine how this world cup will be17:50
DarkwingRio, straights of Magellan, Valparaiso Chili and Lima Peru. 17:50
DarkwingThose were my South American stops. :)17:51
danttiDarkwing: my friends told me lime is pretty cool, has some nice places to visit17:52
Darkwingdantti: It was beautiful. :)17:53
Darkwingthe show Torchwood, spinoff from Doctor Who is kinda strange.17:54
danttiI should go there some day, I've only been in Argentina and Paraguay 17:55
DarkwingI've been all over the world. Need to go to Africa and Antarctica and I've been to all 7 continents.  17:58
Darkwingand I regret the reason I went but, no one is perfect. :)17:58
Darkwingrbelem: You going to be at UDS-Q?18:02
rbelemDarkwing, yup18:05
Darkwingrbelem: Could you make sure you update this? :) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries18:10
jussievening all18:13
jussidantti: where are you located? 18:14
danttijussi: Brazil18:15
jussidantti: I was aware of that, but which part? :P18:15
danttioh :P São Paulo/São Paulo18:15
DarkwingHey jussi, did I ever get you my address?18:16
jussidantti: ahh ok. Ive probably cause to be in Manaus at some point this summer...18:16
jussiDarkwing: no18:16
danttijussi: nice, it's pretty far from here18:17
jussidantti: I realise thats a world away from you, butstill18:17
jussibtw, I just got this message on update: 18:17
jussiUpdating software catalog...this may take a moment.18:17
jussiWARNING:softwarecenter.db.update:The file: '/usr/share/app-install/desktop/kde-telepathy-send-file:kde4__ktp-send-file.desktop' could not be read correctly. The application associated with this file will not be included in the software catalog. Please consider raising a bug report for this issue with the maintainer of that application18:17
danttijussi: is that for me?18:18
Darkwingjussi: sent18:18
jussidantti: no idea, are you the kde telepathy person? :D18:19
danttino... because you said btw...18:19
jussioh, I meant it for the whole channel18:19
georgelappies_hi all, I installed 12.04 today and must say it is one beautifull looking OS :) Thanks so much for all responsible to getting this out to us18:40
georgelappies_I would like now however if anybody else experienced a crash to a red terminal screen yet?18:40
georgelappies_it happened to me twice now and if I can assist the developers by uploading some file or testing something so this gets sorted I am most willing18:40
yofelanyone tried to use postgresql as akonad backend? Setting it up with the system DB works fine, but I can't get it to work at all with a user DB18:48
* yofel wonders what's eating his letters today18:49
Darkwingyofel: I've tried but, I have not been able to get it to work.19:07
danttiyofel: did you changed the postgres permissions?19:46
yofeldantti: as in? I did set up a user for the system akonadi DB19:47
danttiyofel: but how is it allowed to log in?19:47
danttithere is ident same user which means it will use a socket connection but must be the same user of the local db19:48
danttiwhen you create a new user and want it to connect via user/pass you don't use ident same user19:48
yofeldunno, as I said, the user DB failed19:48
danttiyofel: you need to edit /etc/postgresql/9.1/main/pg_hba.conf19:49
danttifrom my DB point of view this is 99% of connections fails with postgres... :P19:49
yofelwell, I didn't edit anything there and it worked19:50
danttiright well the default allows connections using md5 so it could work..19:50
Riddelldantti: generally speaking we're happy to use whatever KDE needs19:58
Riddelldantti: what's colourd used by?19:58
danttiRiddell: it can be used by krita, and by users :P (by calibratin their screens)19:59
danttigimp also uses it20:00
danttithere is an interesting list :P20:00
Riddelldantti: this it? http://www.freedesktop.org/software/colord/20:02
Riddellthat's in ubuntu main so no beurocracy20:03
danttiRiddell: yup it is20:03
danttiRiddell: I've just poked the maintainer since colord-kde needs a newer version of colord20:03
Riddelldantti: ah so colord-kde is a new thing that is to be used at some point in the future?20:05
danttiRiddell: yes, it has a kded module to apply ICC profiles to your X screen, and a KCM to manage the profiles for printers, scanners, webcams and displays20:06
danttiRiddell: I plan to move it to extragear soon, but distros seem to be willing to pick this sooner...20:06
Riddellfirst hit on google is a gnome blog :) http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2012/03/21/the-first-colord-kde-release/20:06
danttihehe, yes my blog is not that popular...20:07
Riddelldantti: is there gain to KDE SC 4.8 in packaging this?20:08
Riddellor would a PPA be fine for now?20:08
danttiRiddell: well it's a feature some users might like, but surelly a PPA would do the job...20:08
Riddelldantti: tricky to update colord now though, we're past beta20:13
danttihmm well, then even a PPA would be a problem without a newer colord20:13
Riddellthat can go in the PPA too20:14
Riddellunless it's a major packaging job20:14
danttihmm right, well afaik it doesn't introduce major changes so the packaging should be easy I guess20:15
* Riddell adds to the todo list20:17
Riddellyofel: you were saying about keeping track of things to package? ^^20:17
danttiRiddell: cool thanks20:17
yofelI did, but didn't manage to finish what I wanted after playing around on staging.lp.net for a bit.20:20
schnelle_yofel: in neon ppa kde is from what kde devs call "master"?22:31
yofelsvn trunk / git master, right22:31
schnelle_I am reporting a bug so I am adding that it also happens in master :) thanks22:32
apacheloggerRiddell: I see now my mail was a grave mistake ^^22:54

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