[07:16] <uBUXUBu> good morning purveyors of goodwill
[07:18]  * benonsoftware waves to uBUXUBu 
[14:20] <sheenzz> hey
[14:27] <AngelForget> lubuntu 12.04 is very fast compliment
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks AngelForget
[14:39] <AngelForget> MrChrisDruif,  but how come there are no updates...?
[14:40] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know, when did you install and when was the last update you've got?
[14:44] <AngelForget> MrChrisDruif, I just installed the 12.04 beta 2 but does not give me updates
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> You've just installed the Beta2 (candidate) ISO?
[14:45] <AngelForget> yes
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; ^ ?
[14:45] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know if there are new updates for that one yet, but phillw might know
[14:47] <AngelForget> Thanks MrChrisDruif
[14:47] <MrChrisDruif> Otherwise gilir (head of dev) should know, but he isn't around
[14:48] <phillw> AngelForget: if you're running 20120327 or the 20120327.1 (for desktop) you have the latest builds. There is a feature freeze in effect, so no updates are being launched.
[14:49] <phillw> but there are re-spins to fix critical bugs. (Such as a kernel crash / not able to partition etc.).
[14:49] <MrChrisDruif> To add to phillw; only bug-fixes could be send as updates
[14:52] <AngelForget>  phillw  i have the beta 2 desktop Lubuntu 12.04 precise,
[14:53] <AngelForget> phillw, then to solve the various bugs will be released in several future updates?
[14:54] <phillw> there will be a respin tonight and updates will then be available.
[14:56] <AngelForget> However, the 12.04 is very well done compared to 11.10 and is more stable much faster
[14:57] <MrChrisDruif> It's always good to hear positive news about the development release. Thanks again AngelForget ^_^
[15:08] <phillw> AngelForget: lubuntu has more testers this cycle, so we have been able to get bugs reported quickly thus allowing devs to spend time fixing instead of testing :)
[15:10] <ikonia> have you never had official testers before ?
[15:10] <ikonia> I'm shocked, the quality of release has been as high as it has if you've not had testers
[15:11] <MrChrisDruif> ikonia; the devs were also testers (yikes!)
[15:13] <AngelForget> phillw,  Lubuntu 12.04 Beta 2 has many bugs as I see
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> AngelForget; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[15:16] <ikonia> MrChrisDruif: impressive that it's been of a such a high quality then
[15:16] <MrChrisDruif> ikonia; indeed. But you know the saying "Think twice, build once"
[15:17] <phillw> ikonia: more impressive is the mac guys who basically joined 2 days before beta 1 and have learned all about iso tracker :)
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> (cut once, but you get the idea)
[15:18] <phillw> AngelForget: fortunately not too many critical ones.
[15:20] <AngelForget> phillw, I was very surprised by the speed of writing and the new fonts and icons. I had never tried a vers. beta so well structured
[15:22] <phillw> AngelForget: Raphael, our art guy, pulled the rabbit out of the magicians hat to sqiush that bug!
[15:25] <AngelForget> Not else to say but just do indeed many many congratulations to all the staff of programming that Lubuntu 12.04
[15:26] <phillw> AngelForget: if you're interested in helping with the testing, please feel free to join https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa have a mailing list on there where we can discuss stuff without flooding the main list.
[15:28] <AngelForget> phillw,  thanks i I immediately sign up
[15:30] <phillw> AngelForget: approved
[15:31] <AngelForget> more and more thanks phillw
[15:32] <phillw> our thanks to you, testers are always welcome.
[15:41] <AngelForget> I must go, I greet you all of the chan and even a super thank you phillw
[17:45] <sva> hey - i am using lubuntu sometimes on 2 screens (laptop + external). i am using the "monitor settings" to start the second screen and than ARAndrR to adjust
[17:46] <sva> but it seems it is just possible wo make one big screen out of those 2
[17:47] <sva> but this is not what i want, as the size is different. so at the laptop screen there is always one of the panels disapperaring (it is in that part of the big virtual screen that doesnt have an real existing screen
[17:48] <sva> what i want (as it has been in ubuntu): one screen is primary, one secondary. both having their panels where they belong :)
[18:16] <smile4ever> bye! :)
[18:26] <pcroque> sva: I don't think lxpanel works well with two screens. I finally switched to tint2, which works great with two screens.
[18:27]  * sva asks google for tint2 
[18:27] <sva> :)
[18:28] <bioterror> in tint2 you can also have "launchers"
[18:28] <sva> looks good on the first look, thanks a lot
[18:28] <bioterror> and make it open lxmenu :D
[18:28] <pcroque> Actually, I have tint2 running for the task switcher, and a short lxpanel running for menu, tray, etc.
[18:28] <sva> bioterror: what is launchers in this context?
[18:28] <bioterror> but it's a little bit tricky
[18:29] <bioterror> sva, just a moment
[18:29] <bioterror> sva, http://ricecows.org/launcher.png
[18:29] <bioterror> those icons in the bottom left corner
[18:30] <sva> ah! okay, i already have them in the lxpanel
[18:31] <bioterror> ofcourse you have them in lxpanel ;)
[18:31] <sva> but I dont think that tne panel is the problem - the problem is, that the ARandR doesnt make 2 screens
[18:31] <sva> but 1 virtual screen with an expanded panel
[18:31] <sva> that is invisible on the smaller screen
[18:32] <bioterror> wish I got a dime every time I hear Xorg + two displays gives headache
[18:32] <bioterror> I could quit my daily job and just read irc screen ;)
[18:32] <sva> bioterror: :D
[18:32] <sva> but it worked so well with ubuntu!!1!
[18:32] <sva> :)
[18:32] <bioterror> technically there should be no difference between lubuntu and ubuntu
[18:32] <bioterror> except how panels works
[18:33] <sva> no but the gui for monitor settings are totally different
[18:34] <sva> sorry i am not so deep into that stuff. i just know that it looked different and it did different things ;)
[18:34] <sva> in lubuntu you can (native) just say "second screen on/off" but no adjusting. thats why i installed this ARandR thing
[18:35] <sva> in ubuntu there was already (native) an adjusting thing. setting primary screens and so on
[18:36] <bioterror> http://linuxconfig.net/wp-content/gallery/ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/system_settings_v1-2-2.png
[18:36] <bioterror> something like that?
[18:37] <sva> yes, not that fancy, but nearly :)
[18:39] <bioterror> I'm going to promise to check this dual screen thing next week
[18:39] <bioterror> when I get time to move some files and install lubuntu and plug into my display and play with it
[18:40] <sva> are you developing as well?
[18:40] <bioterror> nope, but then I can answer easier
[18:40] <bioterror> :D
[18:40] <sva> :D
[18:41] <sva> thats really nice. i'll keep you updated if i find anything new. but atm i made kind of a workaround by re-organising the panel, so that the corner that isnt seen doesn have any important things
[18:42] <bioterror> my desktop computer is nowdays connected to tv, so I have my monitor hanging without use
[18:43] <sva> and i will have a look on that tint2 anyway
[18:43] <bioterror> oh well
[18:43] <bioterror> I could just copy all the files to my router and install lubuntu
[18:43] <bioterror> hmmm
[18:43] <bioterror> and grab them from there
[18:43] <sva> doesnt make any difference if it is an tv or an monitor, does it?
[18:44] <sva> why are you hangig around here without having lubuntu installed, if i am allowed to ask? :D
[18:45] <bioterror> becouse my computers seems to break down and I have few different systems installed
[18:47] <sva> bioterror: hehe, was the same with mine, so i choosed lubuntu instead of ubuntu
[18:48] <sva> but actually i am not quite sure to keep it. i mean, its not _that_ faster and also i hoped for longer battery power (that seems to be a kernel thing)
[18:49] <sva> and i am installing and installing stuff that is missing - so i am not sure if my user-behaviour fits the lubuntu-philosophie ;)
[18:49] <bioterror> you have a decent laptop?
[18:49] <sva> yes! thinkpad, sure thing :)
[18:50] <bioterror> it's harder to see the difference then
[18:50] <sva> but already some years old - but i dont like that new levono stuff. and it fits for me. most of the things i do is per "screen" on a server.
[18:51] <sva> so its just a terminal with webbrowser, actually
[18:51] <bioterror> mostly yes