[14:30] <mmrazik> hi everybody
[14:30] <mmrazik> #startmeeting
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[14:31] <tvoss> hi
[14:31] <mmrazik> We are here to have a public meeting on QA stuff we do in Product Strategy
[14:31] <mmrazik> today we would like to share some details on what we do with utouch in terms of quality
[14:31] <mmrazik> [TOPIC] unit and integration testing for the utouch-stack
[14:31] <mmrazik> tvoss: its yours :)
[14:32] <tvoss> mmrazik, thanks :)
[14:32] <tvoss> Hi all, my name is Thomas and I'm working as a quality engineer in the utouch team
[14:32] <tvoss> let me present the "architecture" of utouch briefly
[14:33] <tvoss> the stack mainly consists of 3 (4) components
[14:33] <tvoss> utouch-frame is an abstraction layer that takes care of device, window and touch event handling
[14:34] <tvoss> and it abstracts away from "platform specifics" regarding touches
[14:34] <tvoss> utouch-grail sits on top of utouch-frame and provides gesture recognition capablities
[14:35] <tvoss> utouch-geis integrates both utouch-frame and grail to provide gesture recognition services to applications via different interfaces
[14:35] <tvoss> for example: DBus
[14:35] <tvoss> finally, we have utouch-evemu optionally below frame
[14:36] <tvoss> obviously, a stack like utouch requires both unit-testing and integration-testing
[14:37] <tvoss> for both purposes, we rely on utouch-evemu to inject "fake" input events to the system
[14:37] <tvoss> and this testing/injection layer allows us to record and replay corner/test cases
[14:38] <tvoss> we use google test and its extension xorg-gtest to implement both our unit _and_ our integration testing
[14:38] <mmrazik> tvoss: so evemu exists just for testing purposes? Or is it needed in production environment as well.
[14:39] <tvoss> mmrazik, evemu is mainly used for testing purposes
[14:39] <tvoss> it relies on a kernel interface (uinput) to inject input events even below X
[14:39] <mmrazik> ok. I was just curious
[14:39] <cnd> (it used to be a runtime dependency in the old utouch stack, but isn't anymore)
[14:40] <tvoss> as X and XI 2.2 are parts of our stack as well
[14:40] <tvoss> any other questions so far?
[14:41]  * MrChrisDruif waits for the full "presentation"
[14:41] <tvoss> a quick side note on xorg-gtest: it's a google test fixture/testing environment that takes care of starting/stopping a dummy x server environment
[14:43] <tvoss> in our integration testing scenarios, we rely on xorg-gtest to start up a dummy server, insert fake events via evemu, and let them pass through the X server to utouch-frame
[14:43] <tvoss> and to utouch-grail subsequently
[14:44] <tvoss> with this chain in place, we are able to test both touch handling and gesture recognition with the help of pre-recorded touch sequences
[14:45] <tvoss> so far for the actual testing setup. are there any questions? If not, I would go on with our continouos integration architecutre
[14:45] <mmrazik> just curious -- how many tests do we have in place right now?
[14:45] <mmrazik> for the integration part
[14:45] <tvoss> mmrazik, all together, I would estimate like 20 overall cases
[14:46] <tvoss> where each case might contain different types of gestures to be recognized etc
[14:46] <cnd> grail has 18, frame has 2 or 3
[14:46] <tvoss> some of them are regression tests
[14:46] <tvoss> cnd, thanks
[14:46] <cnd> geis has maybe 5?
[14:47] <mmrazik> thx
[14:47] <tvoss> okay :)
[14:48] <tvoss> we use jenkins for continouos integration purposes
[14:48] <tvoss> and we recently started working on a virtualization setup that allows us to build _and_ test frame, grail and geis in a vm
[14:49] <tvoss> this allows us to do ci both for different releases/versions of ubuntu and for different platforms
[14:49] <tvoss> currently, we run our builds and tests for precise on both i386 and amd64
[14:50] <tvoss> but we are planning to extend this to further versions and platforms in the future
[14:50] <MrChrisDruif> I'd highly suggest ARM
[14:51] <tvoss> MrChrisDruif, yeah, we are working on that
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing most tablets and smartphones are ARM, I wonder why that wasn't the first one
[14:52] <tvoss> MrChrisDruif, well, problem here is the availability of vm's
[14:53] <tvoss> only qemu supports arm at the present moment (at least, for alien host architectures)
[14:53] <cnd> MrChrisDruif, also, the code is platform agnostic
[14:53] <cnd> the tests will likely catch trivial bugs like variable size differences
[14:53] <mmrazik> MrChrisDruif: and HW in general. While our lab is  "full" of x86* HW  we don't have ARM ATM.
[14:53] <mmrazik> but as tvoss said. It is on our radar and we are actively working on this
[14:54] <mmrazik> the current plan is to have a functional setup for ARM testing for the 12.10 development cycle
[14:54] <mmrazik> which starts in few months
[14:54] <mmrazik> actually its more like a month
[14:54] <tvoss> mmrazik, indeed :)
[14:55] <tvoss> okay, putting all of the parts together, we are currently running builds and all of the tests for every merge to the trunk's projects
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> Great, thanks (had to check what agnostic code meant)
[14:56] <tvoss> developers are provided with the unit test results/build logs and code coverage analysis results
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> (P.s.: 12.04 is in 30 days, so less then a month)
[14:57] <tvoss> for the latter, we rely on instrumented code and gcov/lcov/gcovr to extract the results
[14:57] <mmrazik> MrChrisDruif: ack
[14:57] <tvoss> MrChrisDruif, thanks
[14:57] <tvoss> any other questions?
[15:00] <tvoss> well, thanks for reading then :)
[15:00] <mmrazik> tvoss: thanks for the presentation
[15:00] <tvoss> mmrazik, yw :)
[15:00] <mmrazik> thanks everybody for participating and see you next month
[15:00] <mmrazik> #endmeeting
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[15:59] <jamespage> o/
[15:59] <SpamapS> o/
[15:59] <hallyn> o/
[15:59]  * SpamapS is finally going to chair
[15:59] <adam_g> o/
[16:00] <utlemming> o/
[16:00] <SpamapS> jamespage: don't you dare
[16:00]  * jamespage stands back
[16:00] <jamespage> all yours!
[16:00] <hallyn> who, almost had some friction there
[16:00] <arosales> hello
[16:00]  * SpamapS has no idea how his name kept getting pushed back, given he hasn't chaired in 3 months
[16:00] <jamespage> actually I think SpamapS is in the chair for at least the next month
[16:01] <MrChrisDruif> Server meeting?
[16:01] <SpamapS> Alright, we have a lot to get to and not much time so lets GO
[16:01] <SpamapS> #startmeeting Ubuntu Server Team
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[16:01] <SpamapS> No actions from last week, so lets get right into precise dev
[16:01] <SpamapS> #topic Precise Development
[16:02] <zul> |o|
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <hallyn> (btw, kvm disk io perf regrssion might ought to be added to agenda, not sure)
[16:03] <SpamapS> BTW, it would be helpful to have the release bug tracker in the meeting agenda
[16:03]  * SpamapS does not know the link
[16:03] <arosales> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:03] <arosales> SpamapS: probably should add that link and the server team blueprint link
[16:03] <Ursinha> I recall adding the link to the meeting page
[16:04] <SpamapS> Ok well I added the report link to the meeting
[16:04] <arosales> ubuntu server team blueprint link (for reference) http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-server.html
[16:04] <arosales> although that will obviously change with different cycles.
[16:04] <SpamapS> Ok, lots of bugs still to get through
[16:05] <SpamapS> bug #959426
[16:05] <adam_g> SpamapS: in progress
[16:05] <SpamapS> werd
[16:05] <SpamapS> bug #960276
[16:05] <adam_g> chucks workin a replacement to the console fifo patch we're carrying
[16:06] <SpamapS> Ah, so thats something we broke?
[16:06] <SpamapS> :)
[16:06] <SpamapS> can somebody mark that bug In Progress/zulcss? kthx
[16:06] <hallyn> is that related to the cosnole log growing indefinately?
[16:06] <SpamapS> bug #883988
[16:07] <adam_g> SpamapS: i have a patch for that, just trying to get upstream to sign off on it before we apply it. should happen this week, ive sent it already
[16:07] <adam_g> hallyn: yeah
[16:07] <SpamapS> sweet
[16:08] <SpamapS> adam_g: should be status Triaged then
[16:08] <adam_g> SpamapS: yeah, ill update bot
[16:08] <adam_g> *both
[16:08] <SpamapS> and probably linked to upstream
[16:09] <SpamapS> bug #924739
[16:09] <SpamapS> heh, its all adam_g, All morning
[16:09] <SpamapS> /afternoon/evening depending on timezone ;)
[16:09] <adam_g> ive sadly made no progress on that since last time, theres so much going on. if anyone else wants to help with that transition bug, please step up! :)
[16:10] <SpamapS> I suspect that will affect lucid to precise as well
[16:10] <adam_g> yes, theres not much we can do to work around it but we can do our best to make it as obvious to users thats the transition has happened
[16:10] <SpamapS> anybody else have some available bandwidth to take over bug #924739?
[16:11] <SpamapS> bug #928990
[16:11] <jamespage> SpamapS, adam_g: I can spare a few cycles - lemme catchup with adam_g later
[16:11] <SpamapS> smoser: is that just there for good measure?
[16:11] <smoser> probably.
[16:12] <smoser> i'd love it if someone wanted to take it
[16:12] <smoser> :)
[16:12] <smoser> but i dont have it on my list of things that i'm going to fix right now.
[16:12] <SpamapS> bug #930916
[16:13] <SpamapS> I haven't poked it since last time, but intend to.. soon.. I swear. ;)
[16:13] <utlemming> smoser: I can't commit entirely to fixing it...but I can try. I have a lot on my plate, but I'm blocked today, so I'll take a stab
[16:13] <SpamapS> bug #959262
[16:13] <adam_g> SpamapS: that one is fixed upstream, but we need to get it on their radar so its backported to essex/milestone-proposed. shouold happen today
[16:13] <adam_g> otherwise we can patch, but shouldnt need to. its trivial
[16:14] <SpamapS> adam_g: is it definitely going to happen before release, or 0-day SRU?
[16:14] <SpamapS> bug #880339
[16:15] <adam_g> SpamapS: should happen well before
[16:15] <SpamapS> That one is actually Fix Committed .. just need to get 5.5.22 in as well
[16:15] <Daviey> we really don't need to be thinking about 0-day SRU's yet.
[16:15] <SpamapS> adam_g: alright
[16:15] <SpamapS> Daviey: lot of bugs here.. not much time. ;)
[16:16] <SpamapS> bug #907197
[16:17] <SpamapS> Bueller? Bueller?
[16:17] <SpamapS> zul: ^^ ?
[16:17] <zul> no response from user
[16:17] <Daviey> SpamapS: if we have time to plan to do a 0-day SRU at this stage, we have time to get it in the release. :)
[16:17] <SpamapS> bug #966069
[16:18] <SpamapS> Daviey: I admire your optimism! :)
[16:18] <Daviey> zul is already cracking that one out i think
[16:18] <zul> SpamapS: fixed in bzr
[16:18] <Daviey> \o/
[16:18] <SpamapS> bug #901881
[16:19] <SpamapS> zul: can you make sure the status is right on that bug?
[16:19] <zul> yep
[16:19] <SpamapS> bug #959426
[16:20] <adam_g> SpamapS: in progress just like the nova task
[16:20] <adam_g> same fix, basically
[16:21] <SpamapS> sweet
[16:21] <SpamapS> on to blueprints
[16:21] <SpamapS> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-server.html
[16:22] <arosales> so we are at week 24/28 Bet2 release on the 29th
[16:22] <arosales> ~85% thorough the cycle if you count all the way up to release
[16:23] <arosales> Overall progress is 77%, so we have a few blueprints we need to evaluate if we are going to be able to complete this cycle
[16:23] <arosales> SpamapS: Would you like to iterate through the blueprints?
[16:23] <SpamapS> arosales: I was just looking through them for those that seem behind
[16:23] <SpamapS> servercloud-p-juju-charm-testing
[16:24] <SpamapS> m_3 and I are working on getting that one back on track this week.
[16:24] <SpamapS> servercloud-p-openstack-testing
[16:25] <SpamapS> adam_g: only one TODO left, Collaborate on defining charm use workflow between OpenStack and Ubuntu: TODO ... seems like that doesn't make much sense to do before 12.04 releases
[16:25] <SpamapS> servercloud-p-automated-boot-testing
[16:26] <SpamapS> That one is mine, and I need to update the status. jamespage has saved me on this one, and we actually have a single reboot test now for LAMP :)
[16:26] <adam_g> SpamapS: its something we'll likely be discussing at ODS in a couple of weeks, so left as a TODO till then. but right, its not release critical by any means
[16:26] <SpamapS> adam_g: alright sounds good
[16:26] <SpamapS> servercloud-p-cloud-power-management
[16:27] <SpamapS> I'm going to invite aquette to come to next week's meeting so we can discuss this
[16:27] <Daviey> SpamapS: that sounds great
[16:28] <SpamapS> #action SpamapS invite aquette to next server team meeting to discuss servercloud-p-cloud-power-management
[16:28] <meetingology> ACTION: SpamapS invite aquette to next server team meeting to discuss servercloud-p-cloud-power-management
[16:28] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-arm-service-orchestration
[16:28] <Daviey> SpamapS: EOF?
[16:29] <SpamapS> couple more
[16:29] <SpamapS> rbasak: that one looks mostly on track, just pinging you on it since its < 75%
[16:29] <Daviey> rbasak: We can go through, [racb] Validate cobbler enlistment works: TODO .. later if you want?
[16:30] <SpamapS> also [racb] Validate juju using orchestra: TODO should probably be maas. :)
[16:30] <rbasak> I feel a bit blocked on the new orchestra stuff and ARM support
[16:30] <Daviey> rbasak: Grab me after this?
[16:30] <rbasak> It's not quite clear what needs to be done with regard to this.
[16:30] <rbasak> Daviey: OK
[16:30] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-ceph
[16:31] <SpamapS> MIR still pending.. I think I'll postpone a few of the items in that one this week.
[16:31] <hallyn> we may want to take more active role in that one next cycle
[16:31] <Daviey> the MIR team are *too* loaded right now.
[16:31] <SpamapS> Yes, I think the MIR team needs another member.
[16:31] <Daviey> Adding anything other than pure essential stuff is a no-go
[16:32] <SpamapS> Its likely we'll continue to add openstack components and other bits.
[16:32] <Daviey> Ie, if it's not the on the cd, it's a hard push to consider a MIR now.
[16:32] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-orchestra
[16:32] <SpamapS> That one is mostly on track, but looks a little behind
[16:33] <Daviey> now accurate
[16:33] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack
[16:33] <SpamapS> Perhaps just lagging on WI updates?
[16:33] <Daviey> zul: ^^
[16:34] <zul> Daviey: yeah need to update it today
[16:34] <zul> mostly on track though
[16:34] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-kvm-document-suggested-changes
[16:34] <hallyn> Just updated that.  What remains TODO, I intend TODO
[16:34] <SpamapS> sweet
[16:34] <Daviey> groovy
[16:35] <SpamapS> just a couple more
[16:35] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-mir
[16:35] <SpamapS> Been working with jdstrand on this directly all week.
[16:36] <Daviey> seemed intensive
[16:36] <SpamapS> We have some security concerns to address, but otherwise it is progressing.
[16:36] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-openstack-charms
[16:37] <Daviey> adam_g: ^
[16:37] <SpamapS> Some of these I think can be pushed as updates to the charms post-release
[16:37] <adam_g> SpamapS: those are all not release critical, and not sure which will get done before release
[16:37] <SpamapS> adam_g: perhaps just POSTPONE them and if you end up doing them, go back and change them to DONE?
[16:37] <adam_g> i think pots-UDS calm would be a better time to address those, short of the swift tasks.. those charms need updating for keystone auth
[16:38] <adam_g> SpamapS: yeah, sounds good
[16:38] <SpamapS> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-p-juju-roadmap
[16:38] <SpamapS> Last one
[16:39] <SpamapS> juju team is landing many of those this week
[16:39] <Daviey>  - Okay.. So.. Beta-2... -
[16:40] <SpamapS> aye
[16:40] <Daviey> I'll be doing another spin later on today.
[16:40] <zul> how come?
[16:40] <Daviey> Is there anything else which is a candidate for inclusion ?
[16:40] <Daviey> zul: Some changes required on the cd.
[16:40] <Daviey> :)
[16:40] <adam_g> Daviey: there are some other openstack rc1's that trickled in after freeze
[16:40] <adam_g> nova, especially
[16:40] <Daviey> adam_g: I saw a less than important quantum upload
[16:41] <Daviey> anything else?
[16:41] <adam_g> Daviey: i think nova was the only in-main component
[16:41] <adam_g> zul ?
[16:41] <Daviey> Has that been uploaded?  Is it in the queue?
[16:41] <adam_g> oh!
[16:41] <adam_g> keystone, though not in main
[16:41] <zul> it beens uploaded for a while now
[16:41] <Daviey> ok
[16:41] <Daviey> I also pruned some things from the cd..
[16:41] <Daviey> (including puppet and zsh)
[16:42] <Daviey> Anything else beta-2 critical ?
[16:42] <SpamapS> not zsh!! ;)
[16:42] <SpamapS> Daviey: I can get you a few MB in mysql-client
[16:42] <Daviey> SpamapS: fear not, it's still in mai.
[16:42] <Daviey> SpamapS: have bags of space right now :)
[16:42] <Daviey> now ruby is off the cd :)
[16:42] <SpamapS> ok good
[16:42] <SpamapS> (about ruby being gone, not your space.. who cares about space? ;)
[16:43] <Daviey> Okay, nothing else of importance.. lets skip beta-2 and go straight to release. :)
[16:43] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vde2/+bug/776818
[16:43] <zul> space...the final frontier...these are the voyages of the..
[16:43] <hallyn> basically i was wondering if anyone else wanted to asnwer jdstrand's question:  "does serverr team want this"
[16:44] <hallyn> i think the answer is, users want it so yes,
[16:44] <SpamapS> heh, at this point, "Not for P"
[16:44] <hallyn> naturally :)
[16:44] <hallyn> but if the answer is yes, better to answer that now so when they have time, mir team can consider
[16:45] <hallyn> otoh,
[16:45] <hallyn> vde2 is way behind debian's version, and noone has cared enough to mention it
[16:45] <SpamapS> I know it sucks to keep pushing back but this is LATE
[16:45] <Daviey> hallyn: I'd like a UDS session on making kvm rock harder.. this can be discussed there
[16:45] <SpamapS> lets push this to Q and make sure it happens in Q
[16:46] <hallyn> SpamapS: of course it's pushed to Q, but i don't think answering the q should be pushed to q
[16:46] <hallyn> all right ifne
[16:46] <SpamapS> Sounds good
[16:46] <Daviey> hallyn: we can push it to discuss at UDS-Q. :)
[16:46] <SpamapS> time to move on
[16:46] <SpamapS> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:46] <hallyn> Daviey: (we did that last time :)
[16:46] <Daviey> hallyn: *doh*
[16:47] <hallyn> Daviey: (note that comment was written *at* uds-p)
[16:47] <Daviey> Events, Openstack Design Summit
[16:47] <hallyn> events... uds coming up :)
[16:47] <SpamapS> jcastro and marcoceppi are presenting on juju at POSSCON http://www.posscon.org/
[16:47] <Daviey>  - Apr 16-18 in San Francisco
[16:48] <Daviey> ^  ODS
[16:48] <SpamapS> Also the conference is the 2 days after that :)
[16:48] <arosales> m_3 @ DevOptsDays Austin April 2-3
[16:48] <hallyn> url?
[16:48] <SpamapS> m_3 and robbiew will be at DevOpsDays Austin next week http://devopsdays.org/
[16:49] <hallyn> thx
[16:49] <SpamapS> arosales: jynx
[16:49] <arosales> :-)
[16:49] <arosales> thanks for providing the URL
[16:49] <SpamapS> ok, we have just 11 minutes left
[16:49] <SpamapS> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:49] <SpamapS> hggdh: anything to report?
[16:49] <SpamapS> I suspect once Daviey does his respin we should all try to crank out some ISO testing
[16:50] <hggdh> nothing, except I had just finished the server tests when I heard of the respin...
[16:50] <hggdh> ..
[16:50] <hallyn> someone buy the man a cupcake :(
[16:50] <SpamapS> hggdh: I just threw something across the room in your honor
[16:50] <hggdh> SpamapS: actually, yes, help will be very appreciated ;-)
[16:50] <hggdh> SpamapS: thank you. I hope it did not break anything
[16:51] <Daviey> 4 more test cases will be added to the tracker later doay
[16:51] <Daviey> today
[16:51] <SpamapS> Seriously, people, give the iso a try..  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:51] <hggdh> Daviey: perfect
[16:51] <hallyn> ping on ubuntu-server when respin complete?
[16:51] <Daviey> hallyn: sure
[16:51] <SpamapS> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:51] <smb> Hi
[16:51] <smb> Meddled a bit more in libvirt and could find the reason why xen shutdown is not seen in some cases. Sent patches upstream (to be so far ignored) and asked hallyn for sponsorship into precise.
[16:51] <Daviey> Hey smb.. How is our lovely kernel?
[16:51] <smb> Apart from that not that much exiting. :)
[16:52] <smb> ..
[16:52] <Daviey> smb: i386 on heavy boxes?  Is that being worked on?
[16:52] <smb> Yes, apw wanted to think about a few things
[16:52] <tgardner> Daviey, you read Andy's analysis, right ?
[16:52] <smb> He had a few ideas how to go forward there
[16:52] <Daviey> smb: In time for kernel final freeze?
[16:52] <Daviey> tgardner: Yes, it was very compressive
[16:53] <Daviey> comprehensive
[16:53]  * smb believes the probablility is good
[16:53] <tgardner> Daviey, I don't think there is anything we'll do before freeze
[16:53] <SpamapS> much love to the kernel team.. I have no complaints... both my macs, and my hundreds of short lived EC2 instances have all worked perfectly. :)
[16:53] <Daviey> tgardner: I tohught the outcome was a printk "System incompatible with current kernel" etc.
[16:53] <tgardner> Daviey, I think we can do that
[16:54] <hallyn> except I think there's possibility our kvm guest perf woes might need kernel love... need to dig further
[16:54] <Daviey> tgardner: I am adding to our MIN system requirements a MAX system requirement for i386, for the release notes.
[16:54] <Daviey> hallyn: You've been speaking to smoser about kvm perf?
[16:54] <smb> hallyn, Keep me posted there
[16:54] <hallyn> yes
[16:54] <hallyn> both
[16:54] <Daviey> groovy
[16:54] <tgardner> Daviey, Andy knows the most about this, but he's not in right now.
[16:54] <smoser> yeah, thats gonna be fun.
[16:54] <Daviey> ok, thanks tgardner / smb
[16:55] <SpamapS> Alright moving on
[16:55] <SpamapS> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:55] <smoser> i just want to make sure that we do a reasonable job, and ideally pick off the low hanging fruit for this cycle, not next.
[16:55] <rbasak> Nothing to report. Any questions for me?
[16:55] <hallyn> rbasak: mind running an lxc testsuite on arm in next week or two?
[16:55] <SpamapS> rbasak: I can has armserver?! kthxbai
[16:55] <rbasak> hallyn: sure.
[16:55] <hallyn> (i need to convert it to pyunit, but for now...)
[16:55] <hallyn> thx
[16:56] <hallyn> hopefully no weird apparmor related glitches there
[16:56] <SpamapS> rbasak: thanks!
[16:56] <SpamapS> #topic Open Discussion
[16:57] <Daviey> Nothin' from me, expect - well done on getting this far chaps!
[16:57] <hallyn> s/pect/cept/
[16:57] <Daviey> ta
[16:57] <arosales> +1
[16:58] <SpamapS> indeed, 12.04 is going to be awesome. :)
[16:58] <SpamapS> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:59] <SpamapS> Tue, April 3, 16:00 UTC, right here
[16:59] <SpamapS> #endmeeting
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 16:59:21 2012 UTC.
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-16.01.moin.txt
[16:59] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-16.01.html
[16:59] <SpamapS> thanks everybody!
[17:00] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 17:00:06 2012 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
[17:00] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <jsalisbury> #
[17:00] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> o/
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <tgardner> o/
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> P/omap4: since a critical bug (lp963512 - "Latest kernel updates broke video on omap4") was affecting 3.2.0-1410.13, for beta2 the kernel was reverted to a previous working version (3.2.0-1409.12). AFAIK the regression came with latest rebase on master (3.2.1[0-2]) while the TI BSP was unchanged - so it's either a bad interaction between upstream/TI BSP or it's a brand new bug we got from upstream.
[17:01] <ppisati> lp956693 ("Broken perf with Ubuntu-3.2.0-1408.11 at Pandaboard"): one of the patch from Linaro tried to enable perf hw support but it wasn't ready for prime, reverting it gave us perf ba
[17:01] <ppisati> ck in a working shape.
[17:01] <ppisati> lp666267("Cross compiled headers package breaks DKMS compilation"): two patches that address this issue were resurrected from O and ported to P, scripts/* are correctly cross compiled no
[17:01] <ppisati> w.
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.04-beta-2.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw        || hardware-p-kernel-boot                || 4 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-config-review       || 1 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||            || hardware-p-kernel-delta-review        || 3 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> apw, I assume you'll get those cleaned up by Thurs.  If not, I'll do it.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Blueprint: hardware-p-kernel-power-management (cking)
[17:02] <cking> Power management:
[17:02] <cking>  * hdparm spin up/down measurements
[17:02] <cking>    http://zinc.canonical.com/~cking/power-benchmarking/hdparm-spindown-settings
[17:02] <cking>  * Going to re-measure unity 2d vs 3d fairly soon.
[17:02] <cking> ..
[17:02] <tgardner> ogasawara, maybe apw needs help
[17:03] <apw> tgardner, i don't think any of them will end the world either way
[17:03] <apw> will have a look and let you know ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Precise Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We are currently frozen for the upcoming Beta-2 release this Thurs, Mar
[17:03] <ogasawara> 29.  Only fixes critical for the release will warrent an upload at this
[17:03] <ogasawara> time.  We just uploaded 3.2.0-23.33 which contains a critical fix for
[17:03] <ogasawara> bug 960466.  We plan to upload all other queued patches immediately
[17:03] <ogasawara> following the release on Thurs.  Note that Kernel Freeze is next Thurs
[17:03] <ogasawara> Apr 5.  I intend to upload our final kernel no later than Tues Apr 3.
[17:03] <ogasawara> If there are any patches which need to land, submit them immediately.
[17:03] <ogasawara> After Kernel Freeze, all patches are subject to our SRU policy:
[17:03] <ogasawara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Mar 29 - Beta-2 (~2 days)
[17:03] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Apr 5 - Kernel Freeze (~1 week)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:04] <apw> Currently we have 71 CVEs on our radar, with no new CVEs added this week.
[17:04] <apw> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> Broadly the backlog is unchanged this week:
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:04] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:04] <apw>  
[17:04] <apw> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Oneiric/Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton)
[17:04] <bjf> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (Mar. 27):
[17:04] <bjf>  
[17:04] <bjf>  * Hardy    - 2.6.24-31.101 - Being prep'd; Fix for a single warning.
[17:04] <bjf>  * Lucid    - 2.6.32-41.88  - Being prep'd; 52 commits in total.
[17:04] <bjf>  * Maverick - 2.6.35-32.68  - Being prep'd; 9 commits in total. NOTE: THIS IS THE LAST MAVERICK KERNEL!
[17:04] <bjf>  * Natty    - 2.6.38-14.58  - Being prep'd; 12 commits in total. Mostly eCryptfs and KVM.
[17:04] <bjf>  * Oneiric  - 3.0.0-17.30   - Being prep'd; 4 stable upstream releases (194 commits).
[17:04] <bjf>  
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:05] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:05] <bjf>  
[17:05] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:05] <bjf>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:05] <bjf>  
[17:05] <bjf> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:05] <bjf>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseInterlock
[17:05] <bjf> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:06] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:06] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 17:06:09 2012 UTC.
[17:06] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-17.00.moin.txt
[17:06] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-17.00.html
[17:06] <apw> jsalisbury, thanks
[17:07]  * smb just has not looked for a second...
[17:09] <cking> don't blink or you will miss it
[17:09] <Daviey> shortest meeting ever \o/
[17:10] <cking> Daviey, I think 4 mins is the record
[17:56] <Effenberg0x0> o/ coffeecat
[17:56] <coffeecat> o/ Effenberg0x0
[18:01] <quackers> o/ coffeecat
[18:02] <Effenberg0x0> o/ philinux
[18:03] <philinux> hello
[18:03] <quackers> o/ philinux
[18:03] <josephmills> hello
[18:03] <quackers> o/ josephmills
[18:03] <josephmills>  \o
[18:03] <Effenberg0x0> Lots of people showing up early for the meeting, very professional :)
[18:04] <quackers> or forgot about the British Summer Time, like  me :-)
[18:04] <Effenberg0x0> hehe
[18:04] <philinux> doh what time os it
[18:05] <quackers> 1900 UTC 2000 BST I think
[18:06] <Effenberg0x0> It's scheduled to 1900UTC. That's 16:00 here (GMT-0300). We're one hour early
[18:06] <philinux> danh bst
[18:06] <c0rtman> Effenberg0x0, Apparently.
[18:06] <quackers> shall we have a game of football? There's enough of us
[18:07] <philinux> I am on my smart phone and cat see what  what is typing
[18:08] <quackers> my smart phone isn't too smart either :-)
[18:08]  * Effenberg0x0 has tried QATeam weekly meeting via Android phone... hated it :)
[18:10] <Effenberg0x0> gotta get some coffee... I'll be back in 5m
[18:48] <forestpiskie> hi Artificial_Intel - it's today :p
[18:48] <Artificial_Intel> hello
[18:48] <Artificial_Intel> aye :P
[18:48] <Effenberg0x0> o/ Artificial_Intel
[18:49] <Artificial_Intel> hello effenberg
[18:49] <Artificial_Intel> forestpixie, anyone could go wrong of the date :P
[18:50] <forestpiskie> :D
[18:50] <forestpiskie> I usually do the time thing wrong Artificial_Intel
[18:51]  * Effenberg0x0 is using specific app in android to keep track with Ubuntu activities in different time zones
[18:52] <nlsthzn> o/ Artificial_Intel :)
[18:52] <Artificial_Intel> I can't do that. My mobilephone is from before the wheel was invented.
[18:53] <Artificial_Intel> hiya nlsthzn
[18:53]  * Artificial_Intel likes retro stuff
[18:53] <nlsthzn> is there enough time for me to get a cup of tea?
[18:54] <Artificial_Intel> 6 min
[18:54] <Artificial_Intel> sure
[18:54] <forestpiskie> Artificial_Intel: cool - we can compare phones then :D
[18:54] <nlsthzn> whoo hoo
[18:55] <bjf> close
[18:55] <Artificial_Intel> Wondering how many council members turns up today.
[18:57] <philinux> back kust in time
[18:57] <forestpiskie> Artificial_Intel: hope it's enough
[18:57] <wildmanne39> big crowd
[18:58] <Artificial_Intel> we're all properly bots :P
[18:58] <wildmanne39> lol
[18:58] <papibe> Hi all!
[18:58] <Effenberg0x0> Hi Papibe
[18:58] <wildmanne39> o/ papibe
[18:58] <nlsthzn> o/ papibe
[18:58] <josephmills> hello papibe
[18:59] <papibe> :-)
[18:59] <forestpiskie> good evening papibe
[19:00] <papibe> Hi, nice to see you all. (first time here)
[19:00] <philinux> forestpoxie o/
[19:00] <forestpiskie> thanks for that then philinux ;)
[19:00] <nlsthzn> o/ phillw
[19:00] <nlsthzn> o/ philinux
[19:00] <nlsthzn> >.<
[19:00]  * balloons is unsure of his origin
[19:00] <forestpiskie> papibe: come join us in #ubuntuforums as well then :)
[19:00] <philinux> not so smaet phone eh
[19:00] <forestpiskie> :)
[19:01] <CharlesA> smart phones can be quite dumb at times. ;-)
[19:01] <Artificial_Intel> a smartphone is not smarter than its user :D
[19:01] <wildmanne39> getting them to be smart can be like pulling teeth
[19:01] <nothingspecial> -1 Artificial_Intel
[19:02] <papibe> sure, this is nice!
[19:02] <nothingspecial> :D
[19:03] <Artificial_Intel> Just wrote on staff forum a reminder of the meeting
[19:03] <CharlesA> Howdy howefield
[19:03] <nlsthzn> o/ howefield
[19:03] <howefield> o/
[19:04] <howefield> am I too late ?
[19:04] <nlsthzn> yes, all the cake is gone
[19:04] <Artificial_Intel> nope
[19:04] <wildmanne39> yep doen at the cake
[19:04] <wildmanne39> done
[19:04] <howefield> just back from a conference - was not sure if I'd be in time
[19:04] <forestpiskie> hi howefield
[19:05] <howefield> Usain Bolt couldn't beat nlsthzn to the cake :)
[19:05] <howefield> hi forestpiskie :)
[19:05] <bodhi_zazen> back, sorry =)
[19:05] <nlsthzn> to true
[19:05] <CharlesA> mm cake
[19:05] <forestpiskie> he might - but he'd not beat elfy howefield
[19:05] <nlsthzn> o/ bodhi_zazen
[19:05] <CharlesA> 'lo bodhi_zazen
[19:05] <howefield> hehe
[19:05] <wildmanne39> o/ bodhi_zazen
[19:05] <bodhi_zazen> Have we started yet ?
[19:06] <forestpiskie> nope
[19:06] <nothingspecial> nope bodhi_zazen, you are the chair
[19:06] <philinux> who in charge
[19:06] <forestpiskie> bodhi_zazen: seems to only be you and Artificial_Intel
[19:06] <bodhi_zazen> Who else is here from the FC ?
[19:06] <coffeecat> o/
[19:06] <Artificial_Intel> o/
[19:06] <bodhi_zazen> Who else on the FC knows how to use mootobt ?
[19:07] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[19:07] <Artificial_Intel> nope
[19:07] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: I do, but would need a minute to pull up the agenda
[19:07] <bodhi_zazen> OK I sort of need to start as I have to go in an hour =)
[19:07] <nothingspecial> if you've not seen bodhi_zazen
[19:07] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[19:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 19:07:55 2012 UTC.  The chair is bodhi_zazen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:08] <coffeecat> There are only 3 from FC atm. Is this a quorum?
[19:08] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[19:10] <bodhi_zazen> No, but we sort of need to go with what we have
[19:10] <coffeecat> OK
[19:10] <Artificial_Intel> Aye
[19:10] <Effenberg0x0> Cariboo907 is on (UTC-0700), he might have gotten confused with time conversion
[19:11] <Effenberg0x0> (I almost did)
[19:11] <CharlesA> I thought it was yesterday >.<
[19:11] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Archiving forums
[19:14] <Artificial_Intel> I'm all for the changes that you posted, Bodhi. But I'm a bit of concern regarding part 2
[19:16] <bodhi_zazen> sorry
[19:16] <bodhi_zazen> what concerns Artificial_Intel
[19:16] <coffeecat> I like the idea of using T&T as pointer/support to wiki pages.
[19:17] <bodhi_zazen> That is next coffeecat , method of archiving the forums is up now
[19:17] <coffeecat> OK
[19:17] <bodhi_zazen> Archiving inactive posts sort of solves a few problems
[19:17] <bodhi_zazen> outdated information and necromancy
[19:18] <bodhi_zazen> We can not do much, if anything, about google indexing
[19:18] <Artificial_Intel> What about LTS support?
[19:18] <bodhi_zazen> If there are no other comments, lets consider what archiving strategy we want in chit chat
[19:19] <bodhi_zazen> Well, AFIK, if the thread has been inactive for 6-12 months time to archive
[19:19] <bodhi_zazen> LTS is not static either
[19:20] <bodhi_zazen> And I do not think we have enough LTS specific support to justify a LTS only section, I think it would duplicate effort and be confusing and disorganized
[19:20] <Artificial_Intel> Hmmm... so auto close after 6-12 months, then people can link to a close thread if needed?
[19:20] <bodhi_zazen> I am open to other proposals
[19:21] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Artificial_Intel
[19:21] <nothingspecial> may I ask an off topic question relating to the FC meeting as a whole?
[19:21] <coffeecat> +1 Artificial_Intel
[19:21] <bodhi_zazen> sure nothingspecial
[19:21] <nothingspecial> are forum users able to voice their opinions here?
[19:21] <nothingspecial> and now ?
[19:21] <bodhi_zazen> That is what we are here for, to discuss and listen
[19:21] <nothingspecial> thanks
[19:22] <Artificial_Intel> but the voting is for the (usually) council only
[19:22] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments of archiving old forums posts ?
[19:22] <philinux> 6 months is a lomg time dead
[19:22] <bodhi_zazen> Artificial_Intel: `votes is FC only
[19:23] <Artificial_Intel> aye
[19:23] <bodhi_zazen> OK then
[19:23] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Closing T&T
[19:23] <bodhi_zazen> The idea is to move techinical how-to's to the wiki
[19:23] <bodhi_zazen> and use T&E for support of specific wiki pages
[19:24] <bodhi_zazen> This has many advantages, wiki is easier to community maintain
[19:24] <bodhi_zazen> meaning peer reviews and updates
[19:24] <Effenberg0x0> Guys, sorry for disturbing, a little OT: would you consider having a single "wiki index" thread? Just pointers to wiki articles. Is that the way you're picturing it?
[19:24] <Artificial_Intel> idea is great, but all the other forums will be flooded with guides and howtos if we close it for good.
[19:24] <cprofitt> I have one concern with that -- I think the forums are a gateway to the community for many... I would want to see something done to show people a path to the wiki
[19:25] <bodhi_zazen> That is the idea cprofitt
[19:25] <bodhi_zazen> make an announcement in the tutorials section about pending changes
[19:25] <cprofitt> A symbiotic relationship would be ideal -- wiki for the initial tutorial, wiki for modifications -- forum for discussion
[19:25] <bodhi_zazen> list links to get started with wiki editing
[19:26] <cortman> As a contributerto T&T I like the idea of making it a portal to the wiki- I would have just updated the outdate wiki pages instead of writing my own tutorial if I'd known at the time. +1
[19:26] <bodhi_zazen> After a month or so, new threads are support only, not actually posting tutorials , something like that
[19:26] <coffeecat> We'd still need to moderate new threads - make sure they link to wiki pages??
[19:26] <nothingspecial> +1 to what cprofitt said
[19:26] <bodhi_zazen> Yes coffeecat
[19:27] <coffeecat> I like this. Peer review for technical excellence is better done by the community as a whole rather than staff in the forum.
[19:28] <nothingspecial> change the focus of T&T to discussion and support of wiki pages
[19:28] <bodhi_zazen> Here is what was posted for those without access to the  link on the agenda
[19:28] <bodhi_zazen> My suggestion would be to encourage the wiki and discourage tips and tutorials. The tutorials section is a nice feature here, but outdated. Wiki has the advantage in that it is easier to peer review, update, and community maintain then a post on the forums.
[19:28] <CharlesA> +1 to bodhi_zazen
[19:29] <bodhi_zazen> I think the consensus opinion is to move in that direction
[19:29] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone willing to post a notice in the tutorials section ?
[19:29] <forestpiskie> admin or staff?
[19:29] <bodhi_zazen> either
[19:30] <forestpiskie> I can do one
[19:30] <bodhi_zazen> thank you forestpiskie
[19:30] <forestpiskie> get a draft in SCC later today/tomorrow
[19:30] <bodhi_zazen> you can post a draft in the staff section if you would find that helpful
[19:30] <forestpiskie> yep
[19:31] <bodhi_zazen> [ACTION] Start transitioning tutorials to wiki, use forums for support discussion (cross link wiki pages <-> forms thread)
[19:31] <meetingology> ACTION: Start transitioning tutorials to wiki, use forums for support discussion (cross link wiki pages <-> forms thread)
[19:31] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Forums upgrade
[19:31] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone have an update on this for the community ?
[19:32] <bodhi_zazen> Basically , Canonical has set up a test server and is in the process of developing the openid plug in and new theme
[19:33] <bodhi_zazen> it do not have a "go live" date for the upgrade
[19:33] <bodhi_zazen> s-fox was working in it and is not here
[19:33] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]Community building
[19:33] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks to everyone for the budding success of #ubuntuforums
[19:34] <nothingspecial> +1
[19:34] <bodhi_zazen> It seems to be a great place to get to know the staff
[19:34] <forestpiskie> +1 to that
[19:34] <bodhi_zazen> and for the staff to interact with the community
[19:34] <josephmills> +1
[19:34] <Effenberg0x0> ^^ +1
[19:34] <bodhi_zazen> I would remind everyone, the the channel is sort of communal property
[19:34] <wildmanne39> +1\
[19:35] <bodhi_zazen> If someone is being "disruptive" - politely speak up
[19:35] <bodhi_zazen> The staff will op the channel for extreme disruptive behavior, but we the staff do no wish to burden the entire responsibility
[19:36] <forestpiskie> perhaps add the sentiment to the topic
[19:36] <bodhi_zazen> http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[19:36] <bodhi_zazen> http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> Also, I think it is good for staff to interact with the community
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> both on the forums and irc
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> #ubuntu-community-team is a great channel
[19:38] <bodhi_zazen> I know it is easy to get busy with daily troll hunting, and we do great at that, but we are also leaders of the community
[19:38] <nothingspecial> +1, we would like it to be somewhere the staff can interact with the community. To quote one user in the last few days "well, it does make you seem less intimidating"
[19:38] <bodhi_zazen> There are some rough edges in the community sometimes, but it is best to establish contacts with others and not remain as isolated
[19:39] <cprofitt> 0/
[19:39] <bodhi_zazen> Café should be a good place to interact as well nothingspecial
[19:39] <bodhi_zazen> as long as it is on topic, speak up cprofitt
[19:39] <Artificial_Intel> or games forum
[19:39]  * bodhi_zazen has to go in 20 minutes
[19:39] <cprofitt> I think getting to know other 'groups' in the community will help with those groups understanding and appreciating what the forums staff does... and give the forums staff insight in to what other groups do...
[19:40] <nothingspecial> o/
[19:40] <cprofitt> it also allows groups, once trust is built, to get a different view of their 'area' from people... which helps lend perspective
[19:40] <bodhi_zazen> speak up nothingspecial
[19:40] <nothingspecial> I would like the #ubuntuforums channel to be a gateway to the wider Ubuntu community
[19:41] <nothingspecial> that converese on irc
[19:41] <josephmills> o/
[19:41] <bodhi_zazen> please, everyone, speak as long as it is on topic
[19:41] <bodhi_zazen> only raise you hand if it is off topic
[19:41] <josephmills> nothingspecial,  if there was more links in the header to show others different channels and groups
[19:41] <bodhi_zazen> but to be honest, off topic stuff is likely going to have to wait
[19:41] <josephmills> might be a good thing
[19:42] <cprofitt> this is an impressive stat I think most people in the community can appreciate: Active Members: 47,036
[19:42] <nothingspecial> +1 cprofitt
[19:42] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on community building ?
[19:42] <Effenberg0x0>  The Ubuntu universe is broad and complex. Users are many times curious and in doubt. They want to understand who is who, what are the structures, governance, etc. The first-contact-points (IRC, UF) should provide that.
[19:42] <josephmills> yes
[19:42] <bodhi_zazen> Also, keep in mind, part of community building is encouraging ubuntu membership
[19:42] <philinux> 89
[19:42] <josephmills> comment about ubuntu support
[19:42] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu membership is a way of recognizing contributions
[19:43] <bodhi_zazen> and members like being contacted by leaders , encouraging them to apply
[19:43] <josephmills> like from conaical no one knows about that
[19:43] <josephmills> the support ^^ tie into forums  ?
[19:43] <nothingspecial> The forum staff have been encouraging membership. In my experience it has been going well
[19:44] <bodhi_zazen> I think most of the staff will recall how you felt when you were recognized for your contributions and asked to join the staff
[19:44] <forestpiskie> flabbergasted
[19:44] <nlsthzn> confused
[19:44] <bodhi_zazen> same good vibes when we contact people to apply for membership
[19:44] <forestpiskie> yep
[19:44] <nothingspecial> +1 bodhi_zazen
[19:44] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on community building ?
[19:45] <philinux> All staff were just regular forum users ay one point
[19:45] <bodhi_zazen> Oh, anyone with any questions on IRC, ask =)
[19:45] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]Staff
[19:45] <bodhi_zazen> This topic is more informational, both to staff and community
[19:45] <phillw> o/
[19:45] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to move to a process for staff
[19:46] <bodhi_zazen> We would invite Ubutnu Forums Members to apply, perhaps in FH&F
[19:46] <bodhi_zazen> as a part of the application, a brief description of why they feel qualified, etc
[19:46] <Sidewinder1> FH&F?
[19:46] <bodhi_zazen> We can then set up an elections process, staff serve for ? 1 year
[19:47] <bodhi_zazen> ? longer
[19:47] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48
[19:47] <bodhi_zazen> Ubuntu forms members can vote for staff
[19:47] <bodhi_zazen> We probably do not yet have enough members, but close enough to give it some thought
[19:48] <Sidewinder1> Thanx bodhi_zazen
[19:48] <bodhi_zazen> FC is a bit different
[19:48] <bodhi_zazen> There is some "training" involved as you can see with the new FC members
[19:48] <bodhi_zazen> Staff interested would need to have some training, then we can go through a similar nominations and elections process
[19:49] <bodhi_zazen> The only concern I have with the FC is - we can not just elect "anyone"
[19:49] <bodhi_zazen> Please give these issues some thought and we can discuss it further
[19:50] <bodhi_zazen> I am not anticipating much discussion here as it is sort of a new idea for how we select staff
[19:50] <bodhi_zazen> Any comments ?
[19:50] <Artificial_Intel> other than it's a good idea, I have noting to say.
[19:50] <Sidewinder1> All that you've said makes sound sense.
[19:51] <bodhi_zazen> It is new, but the direction I would like to move in
[19:51] <coffeecat> There needs to be a review of the process, but there are several issues that need thought and debate. Thanks bodhi_zazen
[19:51] <bodhi_zazen> One thing we should be doing, encouraging leaders
[19:51] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]team reports
[19:51] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/February2012
[19:51] <bodhi_zazen> This is sort of a FC training issue
[19:52] <bodhi_zazen> Our report from last month did not make the master list, so lets continue to improve
[19:52] <bodhi_zazen> Who will do the FC team report this month ? (FC member please)
[19:52] <bodhi_zazen> either s-fox or I can help, but we all need to learn to do this
[19:52] <Iowan> I botched last months...
[19:53] <bodhi_zazen> Iowan: don't worry, I botched my share
[19:53] <bodhi_zazen> Want to try again this month ?
[19:53] <bodhi_zazen> practice makes perfect =)
[19:53] <Iowan> Or less flawed...
[19:53] <Iowan> I'm game...
[19:53] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you
[19:54] <bodhi_zazen> I want to get the entire FC up to speed on all these "little" administrative tasks, they are to much for me to do it all
[19:54] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]Updates to ubiquity and firefox bookmarks
[19:55] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks to everyone who worked on this
[19:55] <bodhi_zazen> All we can do is submit a "patch" on LP
[19:55] <bodhi_zazen> It will either be accepted, or not
[19:55] <bodhi_zazen> Please respect the package maintainers decision on this
[19:55] <philinux> I dont think it will happen sadly
[19:55] <bodhi_zazen> It is not a personal insult or attack on the forms if they say no ...
[19:56] <bodhi_zazen> philinux: We did miss the feature freeze
[19:56] <bodhi_zazen> We can submit a patch each release cycle =)
[19:56] <josephmills> has anyone called people that work for conaical about this ?
[19:56] <bodhi_zazen> Why would we do that josephmills ?
[19:57] <bodhi_zazen> It is not up to Canonical to dictate to the package maintainers ;)
[19:57] <josephmills> ahh I see but they have to have some push ?
[19:57] <philinux> we need a new maintainer
[19:57] <bodhi_zazen> Canonical would probably not do that, and the developers want to be given mandates about as much as the FC does
[19:57] <bodhi_zazen> +1 philinux
[19:57] <josephmills> bodhi_zazen,  cool and thanks
[19:58] <bodhi_zazen> we need to work within the system please
[19:58] <bodhi_zazen> Submit a working , elegant patch, with please and thank you ;)
[19:58] <philinux> +1
[19:59] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]FC meetings
[19:59] <bodhi_zazen> Can we please set a more fixed time and spread the word to the community
[19:59] <bodhi_zazen> Hard to get a good turn out without at least a week notice
[20:00] <Sidewinder1> +1
[20:00] <bodhi_zazen> Can we skip to the ban reversal ?
[20:00] <bodhi_zazen> is mjp29 here ?
[20:00] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]ban reversal
[20:01] <Iowan> I emailed him with date/time/IRC client info
[20:01] <bodhi_zazen> I would not even consider a reversal without additional information and a conversation, mailing list would be fine
[20:01] <bodhi_zazen> Often there is a difference of opinion on what spam is
[20:01] <Iowan> I haven't heard/seen if he has signed CoC
[20:01] <bodhi_zazen> We have a higher standard on the forums
[20:02] <Iowan> I've been trying to forward his emails to FC
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> so links to "personal home pages" selling products and services are not allowed for example
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> So we need to agree on what spam is on the forms, no more spam, etc
[20:02] <Artificial_Intel> no need to waste time on it, clearly a spammer
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Artificial_Intel
[20:02] <Iowan> Was that why the ban - or trolling?
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> If the member is not here, and there is not information on the mailing list we will have to table it
[20:03] <Artificial_Intel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?threadid=1708017
[20:03] <Iowan> OK here.
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> spam
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> Artificial_Intel: posted the link, only staff can see it though
[20:03] <nothingspecial> spam
[20:03] <Iowan> This is not john spartan
[20:04] <phillw> ahh, that explains!
[20:04] <nothingspecial> oic
[20:04] <bodhi_zazen> OK, if they want to discuss the matter further, have them contact the FC
[20:04] <Iowan> Will do!
[20:04] <bodhi_zazen> For the benefit of the community ...
[20:05] <bodhi_zazen> We will consider reversals as long as we are able to come to a mutually agreeable understanding
[20:05] <bodhi_zazen> And I have not yet received a complaint that there is not enough spam on the forums >:)
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]NEW MEMBERS !!!
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=404
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you everyone for helping to reach out to the community on this
[20:07] <bodhi_zazen> dmizer - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1947333
[20:07] <Artificial_Intel> Funny I thought dmizer had membership
[20:07] <bodhi_zazen> yea, it expired, happens
[20:07] <nothingspecial> +1
[20:07] <josephmills> can I vote on these ?
[20:07] <bodhi_zazen> [vote]dmizer for membership
[20:07] <meetingology> Please vote on: dmizer for membership
[20:07] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:07] <bodhi_zazen> votes are FC only
[20:07] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:07] <coffeecat> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:07] <josephmills> +1
[20:07] <meetingology> +1 received from josephmills
[20:08] <Iowan> +1
[20:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:08] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[20:08] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:08] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: dmizer for membership
[20:08] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:08] <bodhi_zazen> effenberg0x0 http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=260143
[20:08] <bodhi_zazen> Effenberg0x0: you here ?
[20:08] <Effenberg0x0> I am :)
[20:08] <philinux> +1
[20:08] <josephmills> +1
[20:08] <bodhi_zazen> josephmills: FC only please
[20:09] <philinux> sorry
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> [vote] Effenberg0x0 for membership
[20:09] <meetingology> Please vote on: Effenberg0x0 for membership
[20:09] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:09] <coffeecat> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:09] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:09] <Iowan> +1
[20:09] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:09] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Effenberg0x0 for membership
[20:09] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:09] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> congrats Effenberg0x0 =)
[20:09] <Effenberg0x0> Thanks you so much to all of you
[20:09] <bodhi_zazen> Ms. Daisy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1944160
[20:10] <bodhi_zazen> Ms. Daisy is not here
[20:10] <nothingspecial> she was invited
[20:10] <bodhi_zazen> I will speak in her behalf - Although she has only been a member since Sept 2011, I think we all know her and clearly recognize her consistent positive contributions
[20:11] <coffeecat> Agreed
[20:11] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments on Ms. D before the vote ?
[20:11] <bodhi_zazen> [vote] Ms. Daisy for membership
[20:11] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ms. Daisy for membership
[20:11] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:11] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:11] <coffeecat> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:11] <josephmills> +1
[20:11] <meetingology> +1 received from josephmills
[20:11] <Artificial_Intel> +0
[20:11] <meetingology> +0 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:12] <Iowan> +1
[20:12] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:12] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ms. Daisy for membership
[20:12] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[20:12] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats to Ms. Daisy
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> Grenage http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1937708
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> Grenage you here ?
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone want to speak for Grenage ?
[20:13] <nothingspecial> sent appologies, couldn't make it
[20:13] <bodhi_zazen> [vote] Grenage for membership
[20:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grenage for membership
[20:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:13] <bodhi_zazen> 0
[20:13] <meetingology> 0 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:14] <bodhi_zazen> Any other votes =)
[20:14] <Iowan> 0
[20:14] <meetingology> 0 received from Iowan
[20:14] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[20:14] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:14] <coffeecat> +1
[20:14] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:14] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:14] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grenage for membership
[20:14] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:2
[20:14] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:14] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats to Grenage
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> papibe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1941126
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> papibe here ?
[20:15] <papibe> yes
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[20:15] <nothingspecial> \o/
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> welcome, thank you for attending
[20:15] <papibe> :)
[20:15] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone not know papibe ?
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> Long standing , knowledgeable, contributing member
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> I can not think of a better candidate, should have happened sooner
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[20:16] <nothingspecial> +1 bodhi_zazen
[20:16] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[20:16] <Iowan> texicAn? ;)
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> [vote] papibe for membership
[20:17] <meetingology> Please vote on: papibe for membership
[20:17] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:17] <coffeecat> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:17] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:17] <jinjorge> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from jinjorge
[20:17] <Iowan> +1
[20:17] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:17] <meetingology> Voting ended on: papibe for membership
[20:17] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:17] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats papibe
[20:17] <papibe> Thanks!
[20:17] <nothingspecial> congrats papibe
[20:17] <bodhi_zazen> And I hope we can entice you to participate on #ubuntuforums =)
[20:17] <forestpiskie> congrats papibe
[20:18] <forestpiskie> I tried bodhi_zazen
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> matt_symes http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1936056
[20:18] <papibe> special thanks to nothingspecial, for contacting me and guiding me to the process
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> matt_symes here ?
[20:18] <nothingspecial> :)
[20:18] <matt_symes> yes :)
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> \o/
[20:18] <matt_symes> \o/
[20:18] <nothingspecial> \o/
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> cant talk bad about you then matt_symes
[20:18] <nlsthzn> congrats papibe
[20:18] <coffeecat> \o/
[20:18] <matt_symes> :)
[20:18] <bodhi_zazen> thank you for coming =)
[20:19] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone want to speak about matt_symes ?
[20:19] <matt_symes> thanks for having me
[20:19] <coffeecat> No hesitation in recommending
[20:19] <forestpiskie> I would say he's a spot on candidate
[20:19] <nothingspecial> +1 to matt_symes, no brainer imho
[20:19] <philinux> +1
[20:20] <CharlesA> +1 here too
[20:20] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks for your contributions to the forums community matt_symes , it is greatly appreciated by everyone
[20:20] <bodhi_zazen> [vote] matt_symes for membership
[20:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: matt_symes for membership
[20:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:20] <bodhi_zazen> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from bodhi_zazen
[20:20] <coffeecat> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[20:20] <Artificial_Intel> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from Artificial_Intel
[20:20] <Iowan> +1
[20:20] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[20:21] <bodhi_zazen> [endvote]
[20:21] <meetingology> Voting ended on: matt_symes for membership
[20:21] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:21] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:21] <Effenberg0x0> Congrats Matt :)
[20:21] <nothingspecial> \o/ /o\ \o/
[20:21] <bodhi_zazen> Congrats matt_symes
[20:21] <matt_symes> Thankyou. :)
[20:21] <nlsthzn> congrats matt_symes
[20:21] <coffeecat> Congrats matt_symes
[20:21] <bodhi_zazen> matt_symes: hope we can also entice you to #ubuntuforums
[20:21] <CharlesA> congrats matt_symes :-)
[20:21] <matt_symes> thanks. You've made my week !
[20:21] <njin> congrats
[20:21] <nothingspecial> he's there's
[20:21] <bodhi_zazen> [topic]OPEN FLOOR
[20:21] <phillw> o/
[20:22] <bodhi_zazen> Sorry if I rushed a few topics , though I would have to go by now
[20:22] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: your up
[20:22] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: is it preferred to use #ubuntuforums over the ##ufbt now?
[20:22] <bodhi_zazen> Who wants to add the new members to LP etc ?
[20:22] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[20:22] <phillw> I'll alter my logins. Thanks,
[20:23] <philinux> o/
[20:23] <bodhi_zazen> It is on my todo list to step down from the beginners team
[20:23] <bodhi_zazen> ##ufbt was sort of a transitional channel, I think we have re-established at #ubuntuforums
[20:24] <bodhi_zazen> I think I un-registered ##ufbt
[20:24]  * Sidewinder1 Never heard of ##ufbt.
[20:24] <forestpiskie> old story now Sidewinder1
[20:24] <bodhi_zazen> Sidewinder1: don't worry about it, sort of old history now
[20:24] <Sidewinder1> NP
[20:24] <coffeecat> New members - I can do that if you like bodhi_zazen. Tomorrow, though.
[20:25] <bodhi_zazen> great, thank you
[20:25] <bodhi_zazen> Let me know if you need help
[20:25] <philinux> o/
[20:25] <coffeecat> I think I;ve got the hang of it now! ;)
[20:25] <bodhi_zazen> coffeecat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11659124&postcount=3
[20:25] <bodhi_zazen> let me know if I need to update that ^^
[20:25] <coffeecat> I wrote that! :)
[20:26] <coffeecat> Will do.
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> coffeecat: how about if we give you the welcome message this month then
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> Artificial_Intel: can you add the new members please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919213
[20:26] <coffeecat> I'm OK with that.
[20:26] <philinux> How do people find T&E forum now
[20:27] <coffeecat> The link in the welcome pm needs to be made clickable. I'll do that too.
[20:27] <bodhi_zazen> I would like to the the FC "trained" on how to do these things
[20:27] <Artificial_Intel> aye, I'll do it
[20:27] <bodhi_zazen> thanks coffeecat and Artificial_Intel
[20:27] <bodhi_zazen> If you need help let me know
[20:27] <coffeecat> Just to be clear. AI for the new members and me for the welcome pm?
[20:28] <bodhi_zazen> yes please coffeecat
[20:28] <coffeecat> OK. :)
[20:28] <Artificial_Intel> It will be done tomorrow morning :)
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> No rush Artificial_Intel , last month I took a few days if I recall
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> I will do the mailing list this month
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> That leaves s-fox with the admin thread in the staff section =)
[20:29] <Artificial_Intel> he'll be thrilled :P
[20:29] <bodhi_zazen> Any other questions / issues for the FC ?
[20:30] <Iowan> (so will she)
[20:30] <coffeecat> bodhi_zazen, philinux had a question.
[20:31] <Iowan> he alredy left
[20:31] <bodhi_zazen> OK, anything else ?
[20:31] <bodhi_zazen> It is really great to see things getting back on track, thank you to everyone, I really appreciate all the assistance
[20:32] <bodhi_zazen> I am sorry things got a little off track in the past
[20:32] <Artificial_Intel> no problem.
[20:32] <forestpiskie> such is life bodhi_zazen
[20:32] <forestpiskie> future is what counts
[20:32] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: good to see things resurrected :)
[20:32] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[20:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 20:32:40 2012 UTC.
[20:32] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-19.07.moin.txt
[20:32] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-19.07.html
[20:32] <Sidewinder1> Have a nice one, ALL.. o/
[20:32] <Artificial_Intel> now free bar!!!
[20:32] <Iowan> My goal in life is to solve more problems than I create
[20:33] <forestpiskie> thanks for chairing bodhi_zazen
[20:33] <CharlesA> woohoo free bar!
[20:33] <coffeecat> And cake!
[20:33] <matt_symes> o/
[20:33] <bodhi_zazen> cheesecake
[20:33] <wildmanne39> yum
[20:33] <Effenberg0x0> Many of you (and others that unfortunately are not here) have directly helped me by supporting my activities, with encouragement and recognition, or directly answering to my (many!) requests and questions. Thank you all. I feel really humbled.
[20:33] <CharlesA> mmm cheesecake
[20:33] <Iowan> OMGCC?
[20:34] <CharlesA> Iowan: yes that!
[20:36] <Artificial_Intel> time to get some rest, cya all.
[20:36] <bodhi_zazen> Iowan: viperChief is in #ubuntuforums
[20:37] <m_oergaes> Bye!
[20:39] <Iowan> bodhi_zazen:  ???
[20:40] <bodhi_zazen> Iowan: do you know who viperChief is ?
[20:40] <Iowan> Yup
[20:40] <Iowan> ER, no
[20:40] <Iowan> I wanna know - dyslexic
[20:41] <bodhi_zazen> ViperChief runs OMGCC
[20:41] <bodhi_zazen> he is the OMGCC admin
[20:41] <Iowan> must like Ubuntu IRC's
[20:42] <bodhi_zazen> codependency Iowan
[20:42] <bodhi_zazen> I hate you, please don't leave
[20:43] <bodhi_zazen> later everyone =)
[20:43] <papibe> bye bz